Dylan Efron
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it's it's tough like I my life hasn't been all a cakewalk there's definitely been some really challenging things that have happened in our family and stuff so like I think all that has prepped me in a good way and I think I've always had a good head on my shoulder my insecurity was more of like just being comfortable as who I am and putting it out there online if anything so like maybe just that deep-seated fear of seeing the fame that my brother had and not wanting to step there and stuff like that so
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I can't say there's anything in particular, but I, I feel like, yeah, I've always, I've always been, had a pretty level head in that way. What's, uh, what's your love life like these days? I'm in a relationship.
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no it's it's cool because she she's actually not on social media and she works a 40-hour week job like it's it's cool how did you guys meet um originally in high school we're from the same hometown yeah so it's it works out really well like it's not like i'm hiding her from the world or anything like she understands the job like all that stuff she doesn't really like being on camera she loves your guys's podcast i wouldn't know about it if she
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Yeah. She's the one that introduced me. Love that. When did you, what are your tattoos from? Just different times I've traveled. Okay. Just spur of the moment. Like this was supposed to be a free tattoo in Malta. I was going to get on my leg and then it turned into this. Okay. And then this was in Costa Rica.
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This was the first tattoo I ever got, but I just, I wanted something like feminine in a way. Cause I thought tattoos are so masculine looking. I was like, Oh yeah.
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I always wanted them growing up. I always thought they were cool. You know what the best part about getting a tattoo is? If you've ever wanted a tattoo, it's so easy to get talked out of them. Your parents will say, don't do it. You can't get work. You can't get jobs. There's so many reasons to never do it.
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But once you actually go through, you sit in that chair for a couple hours, you book the reservation. It's so gratifying to be like, wow, I did it. Something I wanted to do, I just did.
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You tie a rope to two mountains. It's called high lining. It's like slack lining between two mountains. So like you're way up in the sky and you're pretty much tight rope walking. And is there safety measures? There are. Okay. Same with rock climbing. Like most of the time, these, these activities are safe.
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They look really scary and they, they are dangerous in a way, but if you're doing them right, they shouldn't be dangerous. Gotcha. Yeah. Driving's dangerous. Yes, exactly. Right.
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Based on balance, a lot of, it's exhausting being out there. Like you have, you have to pull yourself up. You have to, it's a, it was one of the harder sports I've ever learned. That's for sure.
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I'm big into rock climbing. And like, I remember being a kid on a hike, seeing people rock climb. I was like, damn, I want to do that someday. And again, all of a sudden I'm of age and I'm like, what's holding me back from that? Fast forward, I'm out there rock climbing and I see Highlanders and I'm like, damn, I want to do that someday. Have you ever met Dean Uglert?
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Do I stink right now? For anyone listening, he smells, well, you don't, I didn't. I swam today, so I got the chlorine, just killed everything.
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Chlorine. What is up with you against daily showers? No. All right. I need to clear the air. Some parts were cut out of that interview. A shower a day is okay. I was saying that people shower too much. And I don't think every time we shower, we need to scrub our whole bodies and clean our shins with soap. Sure. Yeah. You clean all six cracks and then you're good.
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I can shower in 60 seconds if I need to. Yeah, totally. Six? Six cracks? What are the six? What are the six? You don't know six? What are the six? You're the dirty one over here.
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I just ran up six. One, two, four. Where are these six going? I count five. Okay. Armpits. There's like three.
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So you might have six. So you do. This is getting weird.
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That might be, I'm not soaping myself crazy every day. Like I'll clean it. I'm not dirty. I'm okay with being dirty. Like I love camping. I love a lot of stuff. When I'm home, I'm clean. But like, so like I love going in the ocean. I'll like rinse off after going in the ocean, but I don't think I need a whole nother soap bath after that.
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Yes. I'm losing the spot. Yes, yes, yes. So like I showered this morning, went to the pool and then like showered off in the little. You showered and then went to the pool? Yeah, see, I'm showering a lot these days. It's too much water. I didn't know it was a decision. I was like, it's sunny out. I'm going to go swim. But yeah, so I woke up and showered, believe it or not. Like your pool?
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No, like the one in my gym. Okay. Yes. But then after I did that, I'm right in front of the camera scratching.
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Yeah. So then like, yeah, after the buoy, get over here. After the pool, I just like use the public shower right there, rinse the chlorine off in a way. I still smell like chlorine, I'm sure.
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No, I grew up in San Luis Obispo. So it's, that's what you do there. Is that in California? It's in California. Like Pismo Beach. Have you been to Santa Barbara? It's very similar to that.
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No, no. It's definitely like. Been always outdoorsy. And it's, well, yeah, we didn't have many options. It was a small town we grew up in. Like I'd say on the weekends, people would show up to the movie theaters. There'd be like fights, hang out with girls. It was like, there wasn't anything to do. So my friends and I would like road trip. We'd go rock climb.
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I really want to get my skydive license. I've been skydiving a ton, but I always have a guy on my back. I think it takes time. They're always creepy.
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You're always trying to fuck your girlfriend. And then it's like, I don't know. You see the people that do it solo. They've got helmets and they're doing cool stuff. I'm honestly just like... Should we take classes together? Oh, I'm super down.
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Again, it's like skydiving safe. They have so many backup ways. I don't
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There's rational fear and irrational fear. And so much of it is irrational fear. It's like you see someone skydiving, you're like, oh my God, he's falling out of an airplane. And you have all those worries. Like, what if I hit the ground? What if I do all these? That's all irrational.
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So no, if a faithful wins, it has to be two faithfuls at the end. And we definitely all had a strategy just in case. Because at the end, you throw stones. So if one of us throws a red stone, we have to vote someone off. So we were doing all the math and being like, all right, who are we going to vote first? And so we were very prepared in case someone threw a red stone.
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Like once you actually know the equipment, know you have a backup chute, know like what to do, like the margin of error is super small. So I like conquering that. Knowing the difference between like danger and fear. Exactly. So I love conquering that fear.
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Survivor was the day one. I watched all the old school Survivors and quite a few of the new seasons as well. So when I showed up to the castle and it was a bunch of the all-time best Survivor players, I was like, holy shit. If I played Survivor now, it would be with a bunch of strangers. But here I am in a castle playing with my childhood heroes. That was pretty cool.
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And I'd seen all of their seasons. So... Yeah, Survivor was definitely my first dabble into it. And then, yeah, my girlfriend just watches a lot of them too. So like, I'll just be sitting down all of a sudden, I've watched a whole episode of Southern Charm. And it's like, there's some funny shit that goes down in this stuff.
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Yeah, I just posted something of us rock climbing Joshua Tree. She's a trooper.
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See, I don't even know the narrative, so I shouldn't, I'm not the right answer. I just know, I think Paige is friends with Sierra. Paige is friends with Sierra, right?
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I don't remember exactly, but I think the plan was to end with me and Gabby. And who knows if Gabby had the same plan I did, but that was my plan at least. Why? Because by that time, Gabby was... So Brittany had the seer ability. She proved that Gabby was a faithful. I also had come to the same conclusion. So she was, in the end, the person I trusted most. Dolores had some red flags.
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What made you want to go on Traders? So I'd watched Traders. I watched US season two. And my fear was that there wasn't that much strategy. Like I love strategy. I love, yeah, I don't know. I love trying to think outside the box.
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Well, so then I started watching more because I had heard that I might have a chance to be on the show. So I'm like, all right, let's do some research. So I watched like all the UK seasons. I watched the Australia season. Wow. I definitely watched more than anyone on that show. So I've seen the game play out in a bunch of different ways.
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It definitely benefited me. Probably not as much as I thought it would. Because the different seasons are different. Australia is in a completely different castle. The UK version... You know what? There's one funny story. So Boston Rob's strategy was to, as a trader, to get rid of anyone who said his name. And he came up with that strategy on his own. He's like, no, no one. Everyone's afraid.
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Like if me as a faithful says Boston Rob's a traitor, everyone's like, oh, well, that's safety for Dylan because he's onto a traitor. If Boston Rob's a traitor. Does that make sense?
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Like what I did with Bob the Drag Queen. I was saying his name very early. I made it very public, hoping it would give me safety that night. Right.
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He did the reverse, reverse or whatever. So it's a brilliant strategy. But then like... But he almost like had to execute on that strategy too much, it seemed like. Yes. And the flip side is like... I watched a season in Australia that the guy did the exact same strategy and he lost. So there is someone who's thought of the same strategy and it didn't work out for them.
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Yeah, and look, the people, the Boston Robs that are playing this game, it is very, very tough for them to win. Like, there was probably a 1% chance he was going to win this game just because there is so much lore about these gamers that they're targets.
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I actually wanted to bring this up. So I left the castle, and then the cast has been announced. So I listened to your guys' podcast. Trust me, the bar was very low for me. What do you think? No, you guys were one of the few, like, I'm telling you, it's a hot take. Natalie said that she thinks I'm going to win. I did?
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I'm telling you, that is the hottest take I've heard. And you agreed. You didn't say it. You gotta play the tape, but you said that I could see him going far. Okay. And I'm telling you, that's a hot take because the bar was low. People were like, why the hell is this guy on the show?
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Again, I trusted Dolores and Ivor, but they both had a few red flags where it's like, if you're trying to remove any chance that you're going to lose this game, the smart thing is to get rid of them both. Dolores' voting history was pretty all over the place. She had Danielle's She had Danielle's back. There's enough reason to vote Dolores out. And same with Ivory. So I'm happy we ended it.
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And it's a great place to be in. Like I said, the bar was so low for me on this show. Because you're just the pretty brother. And so as soon as I said the right vote once, everyone's like, this guy's a genius. It's like, no, I'm very much not a genius. But the bar was that low. I literally just had to not go on and shoot myself in the foot.
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And people are going to be like, that guy actually has a brain.
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My strategy was honestly Sam's strategy. Like if you watch Sam's season, I think he played the strategy that I wanted to do to a T. Like he went in, was very quiet, but listening to everybody the whole time. It didn't make for great TV in the beginning. Like he was barely in the beginning, but that whole time he's learning the game. He's learning everybody.
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And then once it was time for him to step up, he stepped up, got a trader, like he was figuring it out. And that was the strategy I wanted. Like, I hate arguing. So I did not want to go into that round table with all these big personalities and argue.
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Oh, no. Yeah. I wasn't hurt by Boston Rob. Honestly, the thing is, like, I never felt betrayed when I figured out they were traitors. It's very much like crazy amounts of respect that they were able to do that because that show is really hard. And what people don't see is like they they're playing the role of a traitor 24-7.
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The car rides, the like anytime the cameras aren't on, they still have to be a traitor. Like, yeah.
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So it's a crazy role that they signed up for. So as soon as I would figure out someone's a traitor, I'm like, honestly, like respect. And it's fun. It's a fun position to be in once you are pretty sure someone's a traitor. Cause then you can see them manipulating you, but you have the upper hand.
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That's absolutely the best strategy. And I got very lucky. Like, I think you see in episode one, I tell Danielle, you're my number one. Like that was a strategy to be like, hey, I want to have someone that like I can trust in this game that we're going to go to the end. I said that day one, though, I don't know anything. So like it was just making an alliance.
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I had no idea she was a traitor at that time. So like that's very lucky. But that was executing that traitor angel strategy. Boston Rob didn't know he was a trader, but he's in my alliance. We're super close. So there's two. Carolyn, again, day one, we rode in the car together. It was me, Carolyn, and Danielle all in an alliance. So all of my closest people were traders.
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Who are you not in alliance with? Gabby. Gabby. No, you have a bunch of alliances. I thought I was in a survivor alliance with Tony and Jeremy. And then I'm watching it back and Jeremy's like, I don't trust that kid. So you have a bunch of different alliances, but some of them are more important to you than others. My relationship with Carolyn and Danielle, I took very seriously.
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And when I told Carolyn that Danielle said her name, I did not want to do that. The whole show, I am trying to bring Carolyn and Danielle together. I had no idea what was going on upstairs. I was like the best.
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I didn't want to go there. But if we were forced to, we would have. Okay. And who knows? Gabby might have chopped me off first. Did you ever ask her? I haven't, no. It would have been interesting if Gabby would have been as loyal to you as you would have been to her. Honestly, I'm shocked she was as loyal as she was because you can see in the edit, I was all over her.
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I'm friends with you both. It just did not click for me. I'm just like, guys, get along. And they're both like, he doesn't know. Shut up.
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For me, it was a game like at the end of this, Danielle just played the villain role to a T. Like she signed up to be a villain. She knew she was going to be a villain and she is hated by America for being a villain. Is she really hated right now?
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She got a lot of flack, way more than she deserved for playing a game in a castle. So that was hard to see outside the show that people were going after her so much. But yeah, I just had respect because she played it 100%. She was trying to win. Same with Carolyn. And I think that one was harder. People always wanted me to say, why did I choose Danielle over Carolyn?
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At that point, I knew they were both traitors. So it's like, I don't owe either of them anything. And I'm going to do what's best for my game, which was to work with Danielle because we had that trust.
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We'll see at the reunion. That comes out at the reunion for sure. I think there's still some... They need to get together off camera and just hash some things out, I think.
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and that's that's kind of my stance on it too at the reunion they they talked about the reindeer games again like whatever happened on that in the elf forest or whatever like that was their show that when when brittany like crossed her again and so that they talked about that for a couple of minutes like it was heated again and like i think andy's just like what are they talking about like it's not traders oh we're moving on but like yeah
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i think that's the thing is like they call themselves gamers they're proud of their gameplay i think we just need to keep that gameplay in the game and then outside it's like we can't be offended at what happened yeah so i actually don't think danielle's mad at britney for crossing her again i think it's more they just have some issues they need to solve i don't know i don't know
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I hope they work through it. I'll be Switzerland on that.
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I was a thorn in her side from the beginning thinking she was a traitor.
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Yeah, I actually did. So, so the very first conversation he gets out of the car, I was like, you look really familiar. And he's like, well, yeah, I'm like, I got talked about in the white house. And I'm like, I'm the most hated man in America. I was like, oh, I was like, I do know who you are from the vile files.
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And, and like, I didn't realize literally until I get home and tell my girlfriend the story that she was like, you probably shouldn't have, like, that's not a good, it wasn't his best moment. So it's like saying, oh, I know you from this. Yeah. So, but it was trying to get back Tom back on. He does seem like he's in a great spot right now. Yeah.
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He's absolutely sincere. And like you said, like you need that Tom Sandoval friend. Like if this show is 20 of me, it would have been the most boring show in the world. But the Toms of the world that like they're so different than me. Tom is like, like when that singing challenge happened, it was, he's so excited. That is genuine enthusiasm that he gets a chance to sing.
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And it's like, it's so easy to make fun of and poke fun of him, but like props to someone that like knows this is a passion of theirs. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. He's going to go up there and sing his heart out. And it's like, he's genuinely very, he's funny. He's funny.
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Oh, I can tell you. Yeah. A gamer would not have ended it with the four of us. It just makes no sense. You get more money. Like it makes no sense.
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It was a great way to be introduced to Tom, not knowing anything about him. And like, I can't say our relationship was all roses. Like there were so many times where we're just butting heads and just like... Just telling him to shut up. It was just like, we butt heads a lot. But then the day it's like, I know he's sincere in everything he's saying. And we actually became friends.
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So it's, yeah, it was just a fun perspective, not knowing his past and being able to judge someone on what I see. And I liked what I saw. He's goofy.
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I didn't know it was going to be bugs. My strategy with that was... One, I knew I had to distance myself from Boston Rob a little bit. I just like kind of figured that out. So then I was like, all right, well, who am I going to pair up with? And Tom just immediately stands up and goes, Dylan, be my partner. And I like didn't even, I was just like, yeah, sure.
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I was like, if it's a physical challenge, we're going to crush it. It's like, I know how to work with him. Like, like I said, we butt heads, but like I can work with him. So I was like, well, we're going to win. And then once we lost, I was like, I am going to lose this show because I got married to Tom Sandoval. And I was just like, that was.
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But people were pissed about MJ getting the boot. So it's. Well, yeah, you're always going to piss off somebody.
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Yeah. Like we got all the money we needed to, but then only one of the teams was going to get a shield and we didn't get the shield.
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It was so funny. Cause again, like I thought Tom was going to crush it. He was on special forces. I was like, we got this. And then as soon as it starts, he puts the death grip on my hand and he looks up, up here and he's like, yeah, this is, this is nothing. We're all good here. And I was like, Oh no, like this is, this is a phobia. Yeah.
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And I immediately like switched gears from like, this is all fun to like working with him.
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yeah i like that that all sounds fun to me like that is you would do very well i would be disappointed in you if you if you didn't finish i would i would have you getting injured i i would do some research and like try to figure out all the strategy and stuff but like far no there's no strategy yeah like tell me to jump on like off a boat onto a helicopter like i would pay to do that so like
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Yeah. I think at the end, it really did feel like we were a team at the end and we were just trying to get the traders out. So once we did that.
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I used to compete in Ironmans and there's nothing fun about that, but that looking back and being like, wow, I was in good enough shape to run an Ironman in 10 hours. It's fun just knowing that you were able to push yourself that hard.
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Let's do that math. Let's say that I got Dolores out next and then we ended with three of us. So we would have split 50K three ways. I would have got like, I don't know.
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Man, what is next for me? I'm just open. I've done a lot of things and I, let's see. Like my bread and butter is travel shows. So I want to keep doing those like on YouTube, making documentaries. Like I love that like micro type of show where it's like the camera's there with you and you're in a foreign environment learning something. Like did you ever watch Dirty Jobs? I've seen it.
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Like that, that's like my favorite thing. Like just being out in the world, seeing something you're unfamiliar with and learning and the camera being there, learning with you. Like that's my, that's my favorite thing. Um, so I want to do more of that, but I'd be open to acting. I'd be open to more shows. Like, so you would be open to acting now.
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Yeah, I don't think anything's changed for me, really. But the acting side is more like, again, as a 12-year-old, I was like, I will never act. It's not who I am. And that was just limiting myself in a way. Where I do think there are quite a few roles that I could do well in. I'm not going to play Ted Bundy tomorrow like my brother. He has put in countless hours of work perfecting his craft.
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There's a lot of roles that are similar to who I am as a person.
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Into the Wild or something like that? The old survival movie? That would be freaking awesome. But like... Yeah, there's so many, I don't know. Have you studied acting at all? No, but I think that's like also fun because I think you can, yeah, I think you can learn on the spot. You can hire acting coaches and there's something authentic about when you haven't done all that.
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50K each. So if we got rid of Dolores, we would have added 50K more to the three of our winnings. 18K maybe? So like I would just ruin my lifelong relationship with Dolores for 18K. After taxes, that's like $9,000. There's no way it's worth it.
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that you know you can do it without the help of your brother but or are you just like fuck it he's my one of my best friends like why not why not have him help i would ask him for sure i would ask for help but again it's like i i don't want to jump into it i'm not going to be like guest starring on stuff and like i i'm happy where i am like i i love what i do on social media i love like this life that i've kind of crafted outside of stardom so like if the right role comes i'm going to jump on it
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Courtney's so down to earth. She would never like, look, we're at 30. I'm 33. She's not going to put a deadline on me, but.
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And, and I am now in that stage, like I am looking at the next chapter. I want kids. I want, I want to, yeah, definitely. Like I've got a little brother and sister that are like four and five now. So I like, I've got to see the joy of like them growing up and I want that for myself too.
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So, like, as soon as Olivia was born, I immediately became a girl dad. Like, I wanted a girl so bad. And now that they're getting older, I went to some dance recitals and, like, I'm seeing that side of it where, like, Henry is just like me. Like... Me and Henry, like I'm telling Henry which plants are edible and he's just sticking them in his mouth.
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He's like throwing, like playing fetch type stuff. Like he's just me and like runs and falls down and he'll play baseball. Like I see myself as both, honestly. I would love to have both. That's a tough one for me.
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No, I'm still afraid of so much, but I just love proving myself wrong. And I think that goes back to the acting. It's like, that is something I was afraid of growing up, but I want to prove that I can do it. So what about insecurities? I still don't like public speaking.
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Like, like you said, this feels like I'm talking to friends and it's like very casual, but like tell me to go like on stage and give a speech. That's like a nightmare. Yeah. I didn't even want to speak at the round table.
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Yeah, I love Dolores. I don't want that to be the end. She told me, she's like, Dylan, you murdered me.
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It didn't. So like the whole like my mindset on that is like I knew I had to say his name at the roundtable because I wanted that safety net. Like I wanted everyone. I had told enough people his name that he knew I was saying his name. But if I say it at the roundtable, then if I die the next day, if they murder me, it's going to put a major red flag on him.
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So I knew I had to say something and I knew I was going to get destroyed. Like it was just like before I, the words even came out of my mouth. I'm like, I'm going to get chewed up so bad. So it was like, I knew what I was getting into. My takeaway from that was that after we finished Bob, the drag queen was just like, Hey, props for doing that.
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And like treated me like an equal, which was so like, that would, that meant a lot to me. Cause he easily could have doubled down and just been like, that's what you get for, for,
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for speaking up against me like I put you in your place type thing and just bullied me a bit so he was even like he was playing the game he was playing yeah and that's the best part of Bob the Drag Queen he's just a performer he is the most quick-witted person in that castle And as soon as it was over, he's giving me a hug and being like, hey, you did great out there.
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That's Bob the Drag Queen that I know. So I would never get offended if he did that to me.
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There was like, I was super, like, if you watch back, I was getting shield after shield after shield. That was one of my strategies going in was like, I'm going to get every shield. And like, that's how I'm going to win this game. So I think I got five shields in the first six missions. Wow. And then I went on the worst dry spell ever. And I was going, I was like, I'm dead. I'm dead.
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And it was because I thought Gabi was a traitor. And then that's how I eventually realized she wasn't a traitor.
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Super fun. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's just like reliving it. It was fun. So it's fun to see the conversations you weren't a part of. Like that when Sam was like trying to guess what Alan wore or he made Carolyn guess, like I wasn't there. I was like, thank God I didn't walk in. Cause I would never have known what you are. So it was a good strategy.
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who people think he is no he's so low-key and down to earth i was just hanging out with him like two days ago did you i mean i know she left early but chanel ion did oh my god yeah she came in you guys got you guys got a dose we have fun with her she's the best like i really hope that she gets invited back for next season because there is so much fun and drama that she brings that just did not make the screen yeah
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Oh my God, please do. She will put up a performance like we've never seen.
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Okay. I was afraid, like Sam just flat out tells Alan, I want to be a faithful. I was afraid that they'd feel like slighted by that being like, so I tried to keep it open-ended being like, yeah, I'm down for either. My two best scenarios were to be a faithful or to be a faithful that was recruited as a trader, but I did not want to start off as a trader.
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Yes. I was going to say, honestly, if it was between you two, I think Natalie would do better. I think you might get the Wells treatment where it was like, Everybody trusted Wells, but they all knew he was capable of being a traitor. And it's a hard spot to be in.
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I think that would be the second risk for you is that in our season, you can tell they were going after people who are well-spoken. So if you are well-spoken, put together a cohesive argument, you're a threat to the traitors.
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So that roundtable when Gabby went after Danielle?
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No, Gabby and I were in an alliance there. I think earlier in the episode, you see me talking to Ivers saying like, I might vote Gabby and stuff like that. That's the conversations you have in the morning when you don't want to show your cards. So then me and Gabby had a conversation where we realized that we need to get Danielle out tonight.
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And I was like, you're going to have to do a lot at this round table because I'm not going to speak up the same way. So I was like, you're going to have to go at her. So me and Gabby were very much aligned. And we knew Dolores was going to throw away a vote. And then me talking to Danielle was me waiting till the very last chance to
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to give her a heads up that like, hey, your name's getting brought up. And I did that just because I don't want to like blindside a girl that I've been working with this whole game so closely. So I tried to wait till the very last moment to give her the heads up so she couldn't go and strategize.
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And I can't, like, it hurt. It was definitely hard to be in my body at that moment. But I wasn't going to change my vote.
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No, I don't think Wells made a wrong move. I think, and he might have even said this before, but I think maybe when he first got accused... it was so shocking to him that he maybe got a little aggressive rather than defensive or something like that. Like maybe he was, I think he was so shocked that people were putting his name out there.
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The best thing that Wells did though, is like when you can be genuine in your, like there, there's definitely a moment where Wells is like, his eyes got a little watery and you can tell he was genuinely like upset.
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So like, I think that's the best thing you can do when you can show with your heart and your emotions, like, hey, I'm telling the truth. I'm going to go up there. When I saw him with tears in his eyes, I knew he was a faithful. But again, I was in this alliance and I wasn't 100% sure. I didn't want him to go home.
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So, yeah, I think if he would have started that argument with those tears in a way.
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Cause I knew she was a traitor at that point. So I wasn't going to run over there and console her. So yeah, at that point, look, I knew that I was very convinced that both of them were traitors and it was a weird perspective seeing them act.
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I think that was showing people for the first time, but let me step back even further. So again, like we just had the funeral. Chrishell gets murdered in the funeral. Right. So now we're playing the game this morning of like, why are we still here? So for me, I'm like, Gabby would never have just murdered her friend and not murdered me. So I'm like, Gabby's a faithful. A hundred percent. Yeah.
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So now let's play that game for Tom. And it was, why the hell is Tom still here? Gabby would never have voted, like she would have voted for Tom the first day. So who is keeping Tom in the game? Like who likes Tom? And then it clicked for both of us. We're both in the car together and we're like, oh, it's Carolyn. Carolyn, yeah. Carolyn's the one that defends you.
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If anyone's talking bad about Tom, she has a huge heart and she hates to see it. So she was always defending Tom. So then we kind of realized, we're like, oh, Danielle's protecting me. Carolyn's protecting you. Then we get out of the car and we go to this chess game. And it was like, this is our highest suspect list now. We go to this chess game and it was like... Carolyn messed up.
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If that was the first moment ever, maybe I would have been like, huh, that's a red flag.
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But going in, I was like, oh my God, she just confirmed what she's like, everything we just said in the car. So it was, that was not the first flag. It was like, that was the cherry on top for us.
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And look, Carolyn played an incredible game through eight episodes. She was absolutely undetected until that car ride with Tom.
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Hard to read. And that's the flip side. It's also hard to be in an alliance sometimes because where me and Danielle were having one conversation a day and it was so coherent and cohesive, yep, we're still good. Carolyn and I would have opposite conversations where like, I did have her back a hundred percent, but she's telling me I don't. And then we're both in tears.
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And we had that conversation a few times. So it's like, as much as I did trust Carolyn, I didn't trust her as much as Danielle at the end, because like, it was hard, it was harder to work with her that way.
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Thank you. Everything was really nice. But I think that's like one going back to like being known as Zac Efron's brother. Like I've always said that's a badge I wear with honor. Like I was I was raised that way. Like Zac got famous at a young age. How old were you? So Zac was probably 17 when he was famous, like worldwide famous. So that means I would have been 12. Wow.
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Good family and good friends. And again, like I, Maybe having good goals too. Like again, I think like I said earlier, it was like fame was never my goal. And like when I left Warner Brothers, I was like, man, if I could make 70K a year and like that's enough for me to have a great life. So like I was never about making so much money that I could buy a Rolex or anything like that.
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Like I, I really like my priorities were being in nature, like being with the people I love. Like I, like my girlfriend grounds me, my family's super supportive. So I just, I think it's all the people I I'm with. I don't know. I mean, it's a tough question to answer.
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Yeah, definitely my upbringing, I guess. Because like, I just, I'm blessed to have some friends, like all my high school friends I'm still so close with.
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It was going up to Oregon to visit my grandparents. That was always something I looked forward to because we'd ski for two weeks and see my aunt and uncle up there. Now it's pretty much anytime I can get up to see my little brother and sister. That's the highest on my priority. I took them to Montana last year. It's so fun to be able to share the cool parts of my life with them at their age.
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Favorite holiday? Christmas just because all my friends are home, my family's home. So Christmas is definitely that time.
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Definitely not gifts. I don't want anything from anyone. I hate even wishing people birthday. I'm so bad at it. Oh my God. I know.
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Yeah, I'm bad at that. Love language is definitely acts of service. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like if someone makes me dinner, that's like the best feeling in the world. It's like that type of thing. Like when you can tell that some, because I know how hard it is to think of someone and if someone makes you a cake type thing, like they had to do a lot of stuff. They had to go grocery shop. They had to go cook.
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all for this little cake it's like effort the effort yeah the effort is what I want and that when I see someone put effort into something for me like yeah makes me tear up
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Yeah, honestly, it's like there's no moment in particular, but the road trips with my best friends. We just didn't know what we were doing. We're getting in over our heads and like we go camping and forget the tent at the house. And then we're like sleeping in the woods with like a...
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camping and forgot the tent yes because we trusted my friend evan to bring the tent and all he brought was a tarp so then we're like in the woods it's freezing we're all like huddled up together like the movies like stuff like that it was like we were just naive kids that were growing up in the woods and like those are absolutely my favorite memories like driving through death valley like we didn't even tell our parents we're going there now all of a sudden we're like 10 hours away
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our cars breaking down, like stuff like that. Like we just grew up together doing stuff we probably shouldn't have. Those are my favorite memories.
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Relationship... Oh, yeah. I was paying attention to you guys' nighttime ritual.
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And before that, he's my four-year-old bigger brother who's in high school and I'm in middle school. He's already cool. Like I thought he was the coolest person in my whole life. So then like, of course, America's going to fall in love with him.
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I'm on your side for sure. Thank you. What specific part? The person in bed should be able to stay in bed.
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And the person who's not in bed should go... Like, my question is, how big is your damn house? Because... Not big. For it to be a big deal for you to go back to the kitchen and grab water. It's like, it wasn't about it. It definitely was like, it was like, Oh, I had to walk three flights of stairs.
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This is why you'd be dangerous on the traders. That was a good argument.
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I think that's tough. Cause then you're like watching TV in bed is that's if, if you don't like that. Are you against it? Are you one of those? I don't like watching TV in bed. Or if I like, if you were going to do that, I'd want you on your laptop with headphones. What? Crazy. You don't like to be like cozy?
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Like, so like I've got, I've been blessed that for all of his success and, and the fact that he endorses me as my brother and has always included me on stuff. Like, Growing up, I got to see some of the coolest things. I got exposed to Hollywood in the best way. I saw the pitfalls. I saw the cool red carpets. I saw it all and was able to watch it from a distance.
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It is a funny one. We both like to listen to audio books when we fall asleep or like audio, some kind of audio. And we fight over whose audio we're going to listen to. It's like, are we listening to Jeff Lewis? We both agree that we can listen to vile files. Um, but otherwise like I have the stuff that I want to listen to is she really doesn't want to.
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So we fight over that quite a bit, but that's not a big, do you cook? Yeah. I love cooking.
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My girlfriend laughs because I'm not a good cook, but I always taste great. So she always says there's like secret ingredients.
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Cause I think like a lot of people have recipes and stuff like that. I'm much more like, I much more have like, I get a meat, I'll put like rice in it. I'm cooking it all in the same pot, like one at a time or something. I'm very unorthodox cook and I'm putting barbecue sauce and glazing it with balsamic vinegar. I'm like doing a bunch of different Italian, Mexican spices.
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And so she always thinks there's like a secret ingredient because she's like, if I made this, it wouldn't taste as good.
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Yeah, she cooks. She's 70, 30 probably. She cooks more than me.
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I'm still learning the dishwasher. I've never lived with one.
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That's great. That's a good relationship. what like there are the things where yeah so like I'm still figuring out the dishwasher I just moved I've never had a dishwasher so like I yeah I'm figuring it out like I'm putting the stuff that shouldn't go in there in there yeah so that's new she knows what's I like whoever cooks the other person cleans up after cooking Ideally, that would be nice.
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And I think that's part of growing up is realizing that you can keep doing the dishes because it doesn't matter. And she's going to pick up the slack somewhere else. I hate vacuuming. So I'll fill the water tank or something. I'll do something else. I'll try to pick up the slack.
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And I realized at a young age, I don't want fame. I don't want to make the most money and live in the nicest house in Hollywood. That's not my goal. So I had that perspective at a young age through my brother.
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Yeah. Do you all live together? Yeah. We just moved into, again, that's how I got my first dishwasher. I was in a one bedroom apartment for the longest time. So that was like kind of our thing was like, let's get some more space and that'll lead to a happier relationship because we were on top of each other in a one bedroom. So like if we have space, we can be in different rooms.
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We can figure this out. But I think a lot of our fights were that, like, I like to say that in school I was like a B minus student. I like did enough to pass. So when I make the bed, it's like, it's made. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not fluffing the pillows. I'm not folding stuff.
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You didn't have to in Special Forces. It's crazy.
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Clean sheets, go crawl under, it's one of the best feelings of the world.
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Oh yeah, I have a new documentary I'm releasing this weekend, which is cool. Just on YouTube, but it's probably the thing I'm most proud of.
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And I think that's kind of my style. We could have tried to sell this or put it in...
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put it like enter it in festivals but we're just proud of it we want people to see it like that's really all it is and I think it's my favorite project I've done to date but it was me and my main videographer who's just now at this point like my little brother like we've traveled the world together I met him when he was 18 and yeah so like we we figured out how to create content like just navigated this world together and then this is kind of like our big project together we went to Guyana South America?
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So we went to Guyana because we heard this story about this, this tiny village that lives in the Amazon, the indigenous village that saved this species of fish from extinction. And this fish is the Arapaima. It's like, it's, they grow to 10 to 15 feet long. They're just like prehistoric looking fish. but that fish was going extinct. This small village was like, Hey, we need to protect this fish.
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They turned it into like, they decided to protect them by fly fishing. So they turned it into like a catch release fly fishing operation. The fish is doing great. Now the village is doing great now. So we went out to kind of interview the guy who started it all and catch one of those fish. So it's a, just one of those stories that like I'm blessed that I even heard of.
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And the fact that I got to go out there, meet Roven, like this, When does that come out? That's this weekend. This weekend.
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Yeah. It's 30 minutes, so it's short, but it's action-packed. We are out there in the jungle fishing with indigenous Guyanese people. It's really cool. It was an experience.
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I love it. You guys make this look fun. It was everything I thought it would be from listening to your show.
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Can we double date? Super down for that. She'd love that. Courtney will be so stoked.
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And I think that... You know when people always say you've never worked a service job? If you were ever a busboy or anything like that, you can tell the people who have because how they treat people that work those jobs. I was a busboy in high school. I've been a PA on a film set. I know how these productions get... I don't know. I've been there.
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So I think it's a fun perspective for me to see how films are made from every scale in a way. So yeah, I guess taking a step back, I graduated college. I was going to move to Sacramento and work at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. What was your major? Business. And then minored in economics. I had some fun there. I did bull riding as a class.
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Not much. I had a girlfriend. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but my whole life I do feel like people have treated me really nicely. Maybe that's because of Zach. You have nice eyes too. Like it goes back to even elementary school. Like I used to think that maybe I was a little special because of people like special in a way that I would have to go to special reading classes and stuff.
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Like I did have to go to special reading classes, but I was like, maybe that's why people are nice to me is because I'm like off. Yeah. Yeah. Are you dyslexic by chance? I think I have a lot of that stuff. I think I have ADD. I'm a little dyslexic. I was really good at math. So they would actually take me up for GATE, which was like gifted kids for math.
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And then they'd give me the boot and put me in special reading classes.
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All right. So you graduated from college. Yeah, I graduated from college. And then I got a job at Warner Brothers. I interned for this producer named Ravi Mehta. And he just took me under his wing. So I started as like a trainee, the PA. I became like his assistant. Then I became a production coordinator. And my last movie was A Star is Born. So like... Wow.
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Some of these movies like Chips with Dax Shepard and A Star is Born, like I was there on set in Video Village, like getting to see these movies filmed and like a part of this crew. So it was such a cool perspective for me.
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Mostly like I would say Chips was one of the highlights for me, like because Dax Shepard just became like a friend and he was so cool to see. Like he really filmed that movie to just have fun with his friends. And it felt like that with the crew. Like he was just laughing, smiling every day on set. So I really enjoyed that movie.
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And A Star is Born was just like Bradley Cooper is just a professional. He's so it. We knew that was going to win some awards and it was cool to be a part of. But I think my issue and why I left was, one, I was 26 and everybody else at Warner Brothers with my same job was in their mid 40s, late 40s. So I could just see this future of myself sitting in this desk, not enjoying life.
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So that was probably the biggest reason I left. And then I was kind of just like frustrated with the Hollywood movies that cost 20 million to make and had all this waste. Like I was like, dude, we could film this with our friends for like a crew of 10 people and make something awesome. So I left and started doing YouTube.
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A lot of waste, a lot of sitting around. It's not as glamorous as people think.
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That came at the time. Again, this is a while ago, but I was running Zach's YouTube channel. We were coming up with different show ideas. And the original Down to Earth idea was me and Zach traveling together. And I think we both came to the conclusion I wasn't ready for that role really at that time. I wasn't ready to be his co-host on Down to Earth.
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So I ended up actually introducing him to Darren Olyan and that just like took off. It was like, oh, they, they hit it off. This is the right move. I'll be a producer. And we just started filming down to earth. And it was like the first of its kind, really. It was like, it was a new genre. And that, again, that was fun for me. It was like a small crew of 12 people. We traveled all over the world.
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I think the same reason that I haven't done any reality shows till now is like, I'm not my brother. He was, he was on stage performing it at 12. Like I was playing sports and being an idiot. Like I, I didn't become comfortable with myself till my thirties and like, I never wanted to be in the public eye.
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So I think just like the more I did social media and realize like I am putting myself out there and this is who I am and I've got nothing to be afraid of. I started to gain more confidence.
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I'm sure. I think it would go both ways. At the end of the day, Zach and I are still brothers. We still fight about a lot of stuff. And I think that we have little small jealousies of each other. Are you both competitive? Yeah, super competitive. At what point did you realize that you were going to be taller than him? Pretty early. Really?
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Yeah. He was like, he was small for his age and I was really tall for my age. And then there was, so there was a time when I'm like maybe 10 and Zach's 14. We were the same height. And then he hit puberty and like got buff and stuff. And I was left in the dust. Pretty soon I caught up.
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No, so that was a Netflix one. When we originally pitched the project, it was from kind of our YouTube ideation of like, how about we do a travel show? Like let's tie in sustainability. Like let's actually try to like have fun traveling, but also see if we can make a minor improvement in the world. Yeah.
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yeah we didn't think it was going to be anything big and then it became Netflix number one like we were all shocked like I was on a road trip when it came out and I see it's number one and trending I was like holy shit like because you never really know no we have so much there you know it's just like it was so be number one on Netflix is
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And yeah, I think like that type of storytelling is that like we want to do something similar this upcoming year. We have a project in mind.