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Dr. Kelly Victory

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Texas Child Death: Measles, Pneumonia or Medical Malpractice? w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 468

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Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Well, let's talk a little bit more about this because I agree with you. I don't think there's anything probably more important than the effect that that pandemic and the response had on those three pillars. When you talk about faith, remember, Churches were shut down. Walmart was open. Churches were shut down. Liquor stores were open.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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You know, marijuana stores were open, but you couldn't go to church. You know, you couldn't gather and worship. And this included over major holidays. Families could not get together for, you know, for holidays. You couldn't go to a wedding or a funeral or celebrate a graduation. It drove a wedge through.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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I mean, I know that when you ask people, do you have, you know, were there friendships that you lost? even our family members, you know, relationships that were, you know, cloven in half as a result of what happened during the pandemic. I know it certainly happened for me. I have friends and family members with whom I've never really had the same relationship since the great divide over COVID.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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That's everything from measles and bird flu to whatever crisis du jour they want to lump up. So we're going to talk about that. So when I come back, I will formally introduce Dr. Diaz, my guest for today. We're going to talk about certainly a little bit about COVID, but more about the more recent issues with the measles outbreak, the bird flu,

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Either you either believed in masks or you didn't. You either believed in the vaccines or you didn't. And it was as polarizing as anything I've ever seen.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Do you see, you know, you have a different, once again, a different lens. I am only here in the United States, and although I have colleagues around the world, I don't see, you know, you have traveled to so many different places. You just rattled off a handful of different countries you've been to in the last six months.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Are you seeing these same sorts of things in children in other countries, in India and Mexico and Romania and the UK?

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Yeah. They were. And so this is a good segue. Now, you and I both see it. I've talked about it for the better part of five years. So have you. You're prolific on Substack. You do lots of interviews. You and I are constantly trying to educate the public about what actually happened in an honest and open way. Here we go, fast forward. Let's talk about, you know, bird flu, the next one.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Don't you think there are an awful lot of similarities in terms of the way that they are, you know, once again, it's the fear porn, the panic, the, you know, we have to, you know, kill all the birds, you know, we've got to cull the flocks. They are doing things that are nonsensical from, in my estimation, from a scientific perspective. You know, do you agree with that?

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Yeah, to be clear, you and I know this, but for our audience, Bird flu, specifically we're talking about H5N1, has never been a significant risk to humans. It has only posed a risk previously to people who are in direct contact with infected birds or infected cattle. There has not been a single case of human-to-human transmission of bird flu in the United States.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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OK, all of that said, a couple of things. Number one, we know that they are doing gain of function research on this virus in labs in the United States with the stated purpose of making it more transmissible human to human.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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let's talk about that and gain a function but also you know they are doing things in terms supposedly in the name of safety and this is what harkens back to me it's right out of the covid playbook it's all about safety right so you know during covid it was masking and lockdowns and shutting down the schools and all of this insanity now it's killing millions of poultry birds

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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You know, you're shutting down farms, making them destroy all the eggs and remain closed for a matter of months. I mean, there's nothing scientific about this.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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issues and how that's being once again mismanaged by the people in authority and talk a little bit about just sort of medicine and healthcare in general and where we see that going. So after this break, I'll be back with Dr. Diaz.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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And so I guess here's the question. As an immunologist, you probably have better scientific background in this. As I mentioned, we know they're doing gain-of-function research on this virus, including at places like the USDA lab in Athens, Georgia, and in multiple academic laboratories, including the University of Wisconsin in Madison.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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They are manipulating H5N1, bird flu, in the laboratory to try to make it more transmissible. we are seeing some indication of some more virulent strains of it. We've had a few people who have supposedly died with bird flu. And the question is, is that by natural mutation? You know, you and I talked with Dr. Peter McCullough about this.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Absolutely. I don't think that it's likely that the new variant that's causing more severe disease for bird flu, I think it's unlikely that it occurred by natural mutation. I think it likely was the result of lab manipulation. I didn't agree with much that happened during the Obama administration, but I did agree with the moratorium that was placed in 2014 on gain of function. It's very dangerous.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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You and I both know lab errors, lab mistakes aren't uncommon. It happens all the time. Lab leaks happen. So even if you wanted to say, hey, what happened in Wuhan with COVID? It wasn't released on purpose. It was just abject incompetence. Even if it was that, it's dangerous. I think it was, as you do, something more nefarious.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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And why in the world would you want to manipulate H5N1, bird flu, to make it more transmissible human to human? Why would somebody do that? It didn't pose a risk to humans before. Why would somebody do that? Do you have a theory?

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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And you just mentioned the most obvious thing, and I don't want to gloss over it, which is once again, just as with COVID, none of the people in the positions of public health are talking at this point about the things that we should be doing to be good stewards of our overall immune health. No one is talking about good nutrition, regular exercise, adequate sleep, stress mitigation. It's all

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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you know, wait, you know, and if we're lucky, they'll come out with a new vaccine for bird flu or, you know, they'll kill all the birds and we can somehow eradicate it. You know, you as a pediatrician, what are the things that you are telling your patients?

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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You know, how do you coach your patients clinically on a daily basis so that they have something other than, you know, bathing in Purell and waiting for a vaccine?

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Right. Well, you are more magnanimous than I. Indoctrination is probably the nicest word. We were lied to. We were lied to, unfortunately, in medical school. And the greatest existential crisis of my life was really coming to that realization that much of what we were taught in our training simply wasn't true. It was fed to us by Big Pharma.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Big Pharma overwhelmingly controls many of our academic institutions. They certainly control the once-storied medical journals like The Lancet and JAMA and BMJ, so that those publications are nothing more than the marketing arm for Big Pharma.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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We need to take an ad break, but when we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about that and then get into what's happening with measles and what's reality and what's fiction with regard to measles. So we'll come back after the break.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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There's nothing in medicine that doesn't boil down to a risk benefit calculation. It is the mandate of public health to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Welcome back.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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I'm thrilled to be joined here today with Dr. Alejandro Diaz, pediatric immunologist and allergist and the chief of pediatric medicine at the Wellness Company. Looking at that ad, Dr. Diaz, from the Wellness Company that just rolled, I am really proud of the kits that the company has put together. They really empower people to have on hand

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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the sorts of things that they would need to manage many, many different medical emergencies. We've realized, I think, during the pandemic, at least I did, that people are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. And if you give them things like antibiotics and antivirals and medications to treat burns and nausea and vomiting and those sorts of things, they won't just take them willy-nilly.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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They actually... But in order for them to be useful, they really have to have them in their possession before the crisis occurs. I know that we've got a new pediatric kit, the children's kit, you know, which includes a lot of different things that you probably use on a regular basis. But I'm very proud of these kits that we've made available.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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I agree with you. I agree. Right before the break, we were talking about the fact that we were misled, misguided, indoctrinated, lied to, whatever you want to say, during our extensive medical training. I think this is largely a result of the...

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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influence of big pharma and the tremendous amount of money that they wield in certainly in Washington, the fact that they control so much of the advertising dollars. The United States is one of only two countries in the world that allows pharmaceutical advertising on television, New Zealand being the other. the amount of influence that they have, and therefore they influence what we were taught.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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So great segue into measles. Everybody knows, hopefully, that the new crisis du jour now is the measles outbreak. We've had several. But I certainly was taught, and I can't assume you were as well, that the decrease in measles deaths and measles as a disease burden was the result of vaccines, of kids getting the MMR vaccine. And that's why, you know, measles isn't an issue anymore.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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And it's now the problem that people aren't getting vaccinated. And that's why we have this outbreak. So talk a little bit about that, the truth versus fiction.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Precisely. So just to recap, what you said is precisely correct. And this is not your opinion or my opinion. This is the data that appears on the CDC website. The reality is... From 1900 to 1960, the death rate from measles dropped by 98%. It was so low. Three years, and that was three years prior to the availability of the measles vaccine, which as you said, rolled out in 1963.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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So it did drop by 98%. Why? Because of better nutrition, better sanitation, clean water, better living conditions, all of the things that happened between 1900 and 1960. Prior, by the way, in the years prior to 1960, we had somewhere in the range of 400 to 500 deaths a year from measles.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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you know, tragic, but not anywhere near the number of deaths we have on an annual basis from say influenza or tuberculosis or in the rest of the world, you know, diarrheal diseases, those sorts of things. So it wasn't exactly a huge problem prior to 1960, but it had already dropped by 98% by the time the vaccine was rolled out.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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uh so now here we are we had not had uh we've got a quote outbreak right now we've had uh four outbreaks so far this year in the united states an outbreak is defined as more than three cases that are associated and we've had a couple of measles deaths um that have been reported uh but you and i both know we don't have an off there's an awful lot we don't know

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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about those measles cases, including the one child who died in Texas. Talk a little bit about that, what you know, I'll fill in any parts that I know about that death and whether or not you think it's significant.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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No, I agree. And I agree with you. And by the way, I don't think either of us are, quote, anti-vaccine. I certainly, prior to COVID, was considered to be a vaccine zealot. I had written prolifically on the importance of vaccination programs. I certainly believe very differently now based on the actual data and what we know. When I was growing up in the 60s,

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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You got between birth and age 18, depending on what state you lived in, you got anywhere between six and eight vaccines in that 18 year period. That number is now up to 78. And that does not include the six recommended COVID shots. So that would bring it to 84. So, you know, I am not an immunologist. You are.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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But I can certainly say as a physician that the human immune system was not meant to be flogged continually with immune challenge after immune challenge after immune challenge with these vaccines. And that's what we are doing.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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And I believe that it is being reflected in the disease processes that we are seeing, not only autism, but the massive increase in asthma and allergies, you know, eczema, psoriasis, all these autoimmune diseases.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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I think are likely related in one way or another to the fact that we are over vaccinating and we have been led to believe that we can vaccinate our way to good health as opposed to all of the other things that you and I have been talking about. What I was referencing with regard to this child who died in Texas is that we don't even know that that child died of measles.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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The child tested positive for measles, but it is unclear. It's my understanding that the child was admitted with RSV and was actually given the MMR, the measles vaccine immediately. in the hospital when the child came in ill with RSV and pneumonia.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Talk a little bit, kind of in as much lay terms as you can, what the MMR is and why that might have caused the child to either test positive for measles or to actually contract measles.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Welcome back. You know, I thought I took a lot of supplements and I do. I take a pile of them, but I'm not sure that I've got Drew beaten. He takes more supplements, I think, than I do. I'm going to have to try that fatty. I think I need to get just one more I need to get on. Anyway, I'm super excited to introduce my guest today, Dr. Alejandro Diaz.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Well, first of all, I think what you're saying is spot on because you're putting it in perspective. Again, I agree. Any death is a tragedy, and my heart goes out to the parents of that child.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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But we have to put in perspective as physicians, if you put your public health hat on, we have the reality of the disease burden is that every year, in a particularly bad influenza year, which we've had many of them, 1957, 2002, 69, 2003, 2009, 2018, and this is a particularly brisk year this year, we can have as many as 30 to 50,000 deaths from influenza in the United States.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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okay so you have to i believe put things in perspective so that people people are prone to fear all the time after they've been primed with what happened with covid people as you said have ptsd and it isn't going to take much to push them over the edge So we are obligated as honest physicians to put things in perspective.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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It doesn't mean you are minimizing the tragedy of the loss of a child, but you are saying, look, we have got to say, what is really the real risk? I tell people, if you want to be afraid of something, be afraid of drug-resistant tuberculosis. That's something you want to be afraid of, okay? Exactly.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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No, and I think it is again, Dr. Harvey Reich, our colleague who's an epidemiologist from Yale, I asked him the other day, I said, you know, how many on average, how many deaths in the United States do we have per year as a result of complications from diabetes and from smoking and drug abuse? And it's over a million, over a million deaths a year from those things that are entirely preventable.

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type two diabetes, smoking, drug abuse. So I'm talking about things, you know, not cancers that you could say other things, but things that are 100% preventable. And so I think it's, we have to put things in perspective. Another thing I want to talk with you about and see what insights you have is when we talk about MMR, which is measles, mumps, rubella, that the combined vaccine.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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Dr. Diaz is a pediatric allergist and immunologist with more than 30 years of clinical experience. He and I got to know each other really at the beginning of the pandemic and have worked together quite a bit since then. In addition to being an expert in pediatrics, he's an expert in biosecurity and in migration. He's been involved in the complex medical screenings required for migration.

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Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

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So the MMR vaccine that we give in the United States is not just for for measles. It's measles, mumps, rubella combined. And as I intimated, I have concerns that our problem with vaccination isn't just the total number, but it's the frequency and the kind of how the intervals in which we give them. Japan, I understand, got rid of, they outlawed the MMR, that combined vaccine in 1993.

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They still make the individual components, measles, mumps, rubella available, but not as the combined shot. Do you know much about that or do you know what impact, what caused them to do that and what has the impact been on their disease process?

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Well, that's exactly right. I think that you talked about the impact that COVID had on faith, family, and health. One of the things also that it did was tremendously undermine people's confidence in our profession and in public health because it has all been politicized. I think there's no question that it isn't just coincidence.

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that robert f kennedy jr gets in the office all of a sudden we're having a you know this outbreak of measles that's being hyped up we've got you know concerns about bird flu they're making sure that president trump can't make good on his promise to bring egg prices down because if you kill all the birds turns out that egg prices will go up uh and so you know they are making sure of it uh they being the people who are doing this unnecessary calling so yes i think it's highly political

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And a lot has happened. Goodness, the first month and a half, whatever it is, of President Trump's new administration has been pretty exciting to watch. I certainly get up every day and turn on the news to see what has happened over the last 24 hours.

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And it's only platforms like this one and your efforts on things like your Substack and Speaking Out that we can try to return perspective, common sense, critical thinking, and those sorts of things to the public because I think people don't know what to believe or who to trust. And all I can say is, you know, look to the people who got it right during COVID.

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They're likely to lead you the right path during measles and bird flu. You've been posting a little bit on X recently on Twitter about things that are outside of the normal realm of just medicine, but about the tyrannical governments around the world. You posted recently about Romania, and I know you were in Romania, or it's my understanding that you're speaking there.

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I think these things are related. They might not look to be related on the surface, but using health crises to control the population, using fear to control the population. Talk a little bit about that.

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He's spoken at multiple countries. He's at the parliaments in dozens of countries. He's spoken at the White House. He's been a trusted advisor on issues related to biosecurity and to migration. He certainly, like me, was one of the early people sounding the alarm and raising the alarm flag with regard to the mRNA vaccines, quote unquote, for COVID.

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No, I agree with you. I think there's so much propaganda. It's so hard to know what is true. And when you start using infectious disease, which is as a cudgel to control people's behavior, to control what they do, whether they work, whether they travel, whether they get together, it is really, it is evil. It is the essence to me of evil.

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It is a very quick way to strip people of their civil liberties because people turn them over to you. It was so quick during COVID. I remember being so shocked at how quickly people were willing to get in line, to fall in line, to put that mask on, to stand six feet apart, even though it made no sense. And our own colleagues

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People, you know, you and I sat next to in virology class are all of a sudden, you know, removing every other chair in their waiting room and all of this silliness, you know, our own profession kind of bought into it. We've got a few minutes left. Let's talk a little bit about that in terms of you have great insight.

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I think not only are you prescient in terms of what's coming next, but I think you have great insight perhaps because of your faith and your global experience in terms of, you our own profession and what drove them to buy into it. Because I would submit to you that none of this could have happened if it were not for the complicity of our own profession, people in medicine.

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If everyone had stood up like you and I did, if everyone had said the truth and said the emperor has no clothes, if we had said the scary part, this wouldn't have happened. What do you think has happened in medicine that has allowed our colleagues to buy into it?

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I'm so glad you mentioned that. Maybe Caleb can throw that up there. Dr. Matthias Desmet, I believe, has been on the show with Drew in the past. We certainly have quoted him commonly. He's the person who I first became familiar with referencing Bethlehem. Mass Formation Psychosis and Mass Formation, That Psychology. But I have not read that book cover to cover. I would like to.

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I certainly saw the other fallacies with regard to the COVID pandemic. We're going to talk a little bit about that. And he currently is working along with myself and with Dr. Drew at the Wellness Company. Dr. Diaz is the Chief of Pediatric Medicine at the Wellness Company now, and we are certainly thrilled to have him there. He's been a great addition to our team.

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But I think, you know, go with this line of the theory behind the, you know, totalitarianism and the tactics. And certainly it played into, I believe, what happened with our profession. But go on from there.

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No, I think you are right. And I've said that myself many, many times. We have a disease care system, not a healthcare system. It's my understanding that in ancient Greece, actually, people paid their physicians when they were well and stopped paying when they got sick because it was a sign that you're not doing your job. We do the opposite.

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Doctors only make money and hospitals certainly only make money when people are in their hospitals. And so we have an incentive to do things that are not necessarily in their best interest.

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Not you and I personally, but the big system we know that 80% of all physicians are now employed by large hospital systems or hospital groups and insurance companies that don't necessarily have their best interests in mind.

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Where do you see, we've got a couple of minutes left and I know your patients are anxiously waiting for you to get back to clinic, so I feel obligated to let you go back to what you actually do expertly every day, which is care for pediatric patients. But in the last couple of minutes, talk a little bit about what you would like to see. We've got multiple competing crises.

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We got bird flu and the impact it's having. We've got measles. We've got Robert Kennedy Jr. trying to attend to some other things on his radar, some far bigger issues, like addressing the food system and those sorts of things.

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What would you like to see happen in the next, say, 12 months with regard to where we're going with health and human services, where we're going with health care in the United States?

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I appreciate it. People can see that you've got a stethoscope around your neck. We are pulling you out of your very, very busy allergy immunology clinic, and I so appreciate it. I know that you've carved this time out, so we'll try to definitely make the best of it. I've got lots I want to talk with you about.

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I share your hope and I appreciate those sentiments. I think the world of Robert Kennedy Jr., I think that he is absolutely sincere in his efforts. I think he wants to expose a lot of the fraud and corruption. I think he wants to get us back to the basics, return us to where we focus on health, not disease. And that certainly starts with our food system.

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He has not, you know, the terrible anti-vaxxer you know, crazy conspiracy theorists that they want to, you know, you to believe that he is, I think he is genuine. I think he's brilliantly smart. He's got a great background. He's fought big pharma in the past. He will fight for kids. Uh, he will fight for, um, for informed consent.

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He will fight for autonomy in healthcare, the things that, you know, the, the pillars of medical ethics upon which you and I, uh, trained and have based our practices. So, um, With that, I thank you so much for taking time away from your patients. Thank your patients for me, for us, for taking the time away.

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There's never enough I could go on for another hour, but I so appreciate you and I hope you'll join me again soon.

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Sounds great. Talk soon. Thank you. I think we've got... That was great. As I said, I could go on and on with Dr. Diaz. We've got so many things to talk about. He is remarkable. He's been, as I said, all over the world. He has... spoken at the parliaments of many, many different countries. I never cease to be amazed whenever I talk to him.

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He's always saying, well, I just got back from Japan or I just got back from Brazil or I just got back from... He really has been tremendous, not only in his background and expertise in pediatrics, obviously, and allergy and immunology, but really his ability to understand the

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you know, the pressures and the focus that the different things that these different countries are facing in their own realm. And certainly I appreciate his comments about what's happening in Romania, because I think this totalitarian movement is happening all around the world. Caleb, do we have the list of upcoming shows? I only know the one that I'm back for. I'm back on the tour.

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Hi, and welcome to the show today. I'm Dr. Kelly Victory filling in for Dr. Drew, who's busy with some other items today. I'm always thrilled to be on this platform and able to have open, honest discussions with our guests, and many of whom are my colleagues in medicine. Before I introduce my guest today, who is Dr. Alejandro Diaz, it's been a while since I've been on the show

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That's the one that's on my calendar. But you've got a great lineup. Simone Gold coming up on the 18th. And Tom Renz, one of my favorite people, attorney Tom Renz. He's done remarkable work fighting for people who were injured during the COVID debacle. And then obviously Dr. Rahm is there with Sabine Hazan. So some great shows coming up.

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I know that I will be back with Drew, as I said, on the 20th. I think it's just the two of us. I don't think we have any other guests, and that's great so that Drew and I will have a chance to catch up on air. Until then, thank you all. I appreciate this, and you know where to find me on Twitter. That's my only social media presence is on Twitter, at DrKellyVictory, so you can find me there.

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As I mentioned just in the introduction, you and I got to know each other really because of the COVID pandemic. We were very much singing from the same song sheet, if you will, with regard to everything from concerns about the mRNA to the lockdown and the harms happening to children. But I'd like, and I don't want to spend much of this hour talking about COVID.

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I think many people, including I, sort of have COVID fatigue. But that said, I'd like, you do bring a different lens to this. And I'd like you to spend a couple of minutes

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Laying out from your perspective, from your purview, what it was like at the beginning as a pediatrician, as an immunologist, as a Latino, what are the sorts of things really, because you do have a different viewpoint of it or had a different perspective at the beginning, and what sort of led you to know early on that something was amiss?

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And somebody said to me just recently that what's going on with this whole Doge thing is really more theater, that even if Elon Musk rids or exposes hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud and corruption, it's only a drop in the bucket. But it seems to me that even if it is symbolic, it's a pretty important symbolic measure because it is sending the shot across the bow, if you will,

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Well, as you refer to it as an operation rather than just a pandemic, explain a little further what you mean. Why do you call it the COVID operation?

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Amen. And that's why we have to get that on the table. We have to talk openly and honestly about that. That is not a conspiracy theory any longer. The things that you and I were derided for, lambasted for, censored, threatened, ridiculed, they have all come to be proven now.

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Everything from the fallacy of wearing masks to the fallacy of asymptomatic spread, and then certainly the safety and efficacy of the, quote, mRNA vaccines. We know that the harms have been tremendous. I said from the beginning, and it still really pains me, the damage that was done to children of all of the groups who really suffered from

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because of this pandemic or this incident, this operation, if you wanna call it, we're children. And certainly I think it will take decades for us to really understand just how much damage was done. And by that, I don't just mean by the mRNA shots, I mean by the whole thing, the lockdowns, the mask wearing, the social isolation, all of those things.

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Talk a little bit about, you know, you see children every day. You're a very busy clinician. What sorts of things are you seeing today that you would say are potentially related to what happened during the five-year COVID debacle?

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that this new administration is not interested in funding fraud. They're not going to continue with the insanity that we've been exposed to. And certainly the COVID insanity was part of that. Robert Kennedy Jr., I'm thrilled to say was obviously confirmed. He's been busy putting out fires that left keep throwing his way. And certainly Dr. Diaz and I'm sure we'll get into that

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Exactly, and so when you and I talk about, I talk about this damage done to the immune system, I don't mean just by the mRNA shots, and they certainly did, and we could do an entire show on the ill effects of the mRNA shots, but it's things like, locking people indoors, limited exposure to natural sunlight, limited exposure to other pathogens.

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We were not meant to bathe in Purell and stay in a bubble and not be exposed to things because it does damage your immune system. Not having regular exercise. It turns out when you close the parks and the swimming pool and the beaches, people don't get out, they didn't exercise. People's diets went to hell during the pandemic.

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You know, everyone's ordering DoorDash and eating pizza and Pringles and sitting on the sofa. So it was a multi and let us not forget, you know, overwhelming stress. The impact that stress has, you know, which includes the stress imposed by social isolation. All of these things together, I think, really have damaged people's immune system.

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And when you look at the incidents right now, and you see it, I'm sure, every day of respiratory illnesses, the influenza cases this year, lots of things. We have seen a lot of disease burden, infectious disease burden, independent of the things we're about to start talking about with regard to measles and bird flu. So people are going into this with weakened immune systems.