Dr. Jay Bhattacharya
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If confirmed, I will establish a culture of respect for free speech in science and scientific dissent at the NIH. Over the last few years, top NIH officials oversaw a culture of cover-up, obfuscation, and a lack of tolerance for ideas that differed from theirs.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Thanks for having me, Vince. So good to talk to you again. It's been a few years.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
It's absolutely incredible. The team is incredible. I mean, I don't know what it's been like in the past, but I don't think I've ever heard of a more cohesive team of people leading Health and Human Services. We work together on almost everything. We managed to get things done that would take years of bureaucratic infighting to accomplish. We do them overnight.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And we're all aligned in the same direction. The focus is how do we improve the health of the American people? It's just amazing, Vince.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I was. It was interesting. This is October 2020. We wrote this, Vince, and it was the most common sense thing in the history of common sense things like protect the vulnerable and don't disrupt the lives of kids. Don't don't like harm them by keeping them out of school. We had now years of
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
of this opioid epidemic going on hundreds hundreds thousands of people dead as a result of it and it was the lockdowns that accelerated it kids that have been behind in school for two years or uh of learning uh i mean we're gonna we're we're still picking up the pieces i don't think people understood how powerful the agencies the health and human service agencies actually were until the pandemic
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And I mean, I was really concerned through the whole pandemic. I tried my very best to try to sound the alarm bells. It's amazing to me now that I have the chance to be inside and help reform these institutions so that this kind of thing never happens again.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I mean, I'm of two minds in a sense, Vince, because I love the NIH. I mean, it's supported my research for much of my career. And it has a really illustrious track record of advances in basic scientific knowledge that have resulted in better treatments for people. Its mission is absolutely noble, and I completely support it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
But the idea is that we support research that advances the health and longevity of the American people. Like, who can be against that, right? That's exactly the mission. And in that sense, I absolutely love the NIH. But it has fallen on hard times. The American people don't really trust us anymore. And for good reason.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
What we did during the pandemic... Now I'm saying we as if I... During the pandemic, I didn't. But what the NIH did during the pandemic... It was, I mean, it didn't do the research that would have resolved some of the, like, for instance, like the research on whether the COVID vaccine stops you from getting and spreading COVID, right?
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Instead, the NIH kind of leaned in in ways to things that led to vaccines. mandates, it's led to like all kinds of things that were not particularly helpful. And worse, the NIH actually supported research that very likely caused the pandemic. Pandemic started in China, I believe, as a consequence of research that the Chinese government was supporting.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
But I'm sad to say that the NIH also supported that same research, this gain of function research that very likely led to the pandemic. So the place needs fundamental reform. The plus side is I found lots of great allies. There's a lot of great Americans here who want the best for the country and want to advance scientific knowledge.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
um there's a lot of people that are really you know they're they're uh they're they're sitting they're concerned because they might lose their jobs and all this um and i have sympathy for them too um but the place needs change and and i think uh It's been interesting. I've been here six weeks, and we've accomplished a lot. I've uncovered some things which I wish had never happened but did.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And we managed to make a lot. I'll tell you specifically about an incident at a high-security lab that I found as we went on the conversation. But it's been eye-opening, and it's been really useful to learn so many things. It's still a great institution, but it definitely needs some changes, and I'm working on that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I think the NIH should be an entirely civilian organization. It should not be involved in any military kind of research at all. I think that there are other parts of the government that do that and do that better than us.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
The mixing of missions actually poisons the NIH's primary objective, which is to do research that improves the health and well-being of the American people, the longevity of the American people. On the question of this gain-of-function research, it's funny, Vince, because the same research, it was pitched as biodefense can also be used as, bio offense.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
It's the same research, the same exact research. And in fact, the civilian justification given to the research agenda that I think led to the pandemic was to prevent pandemics, to go out into the wild places, find all of the viruses and pathogens that live in places where humans generally don't go, bring them into labs and catalog them and ask how close are they in evolutionary space?
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
So they'll make the leap into human populations. And to do that, you have to essentially weaponize them, right? Make them more infectious in humans and ask how many mutations are needed before they become infectious in humans. You know, it's one of those things where it's a utopian agenda. It was sold as, well, we can prepare for all possible pandemics.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And so any possible pandemic in the future we'll know about before it happens, have countermeasures in place like vaccines and antivirals. That utopian agenda, I think, actually caused the pandemic because it's not possible to handle those agents so carefully that they never leak. It doesn't have to be malicious. It's just... human error.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And I don't know exactly what happened in Wuhan because the Chinese won't share their lab notebooks with us. But what I will say is that we should not be engaged in any of these kinds of utopian exercises that pose a risk to human health at the scale that we saw during the pandemic. It's just a catastrophic mistake that we ever engaged in this.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And whether it's a civilian justification or some biodefense justification, it makes no sense to me for the U.S. government or any other government to be engaged in it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Vince, actually, the gain of function ban the president signed is expansive. It's actually everything I wanted. It essentially directs the U.S. government as well to not support this kind of dangerous research internally and externally. It mentions specifically some adversary nations.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I mean, it's amazing to me that we cooperate with the Chinese on this kind of research in the past because that's especially dangerous. But, you know, part of the reasoning why was that the biosafety standards were more lax in Wuhan than they were here.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And so we, some researchers, I keep saying we when it wasn't me, some researchers engaged in offshoring this kind of dangerous work because they knew it would be more difficult to do here. But it is also still done here, Vince. And I think it's dangerous no matter where it happens. And the president's order essentially says no more of it. It's a little tricky because gain of function –
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
as a tool is actually useful biologically for human health. So for instance, human insulin is produced at scale using a kind of gain of function work. You take E. coli and trick them into making human insulin. The problem is gain of function work that has the possibility of causing a pandemic. That's the work we should not be doing, no matter what it is, no matter where it is.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And I saw Secretary Kennedy say this, and I completely agree. We should be promoting an international treaty to get rid of this work. It helps nobody. It won't help us win battles with our adversaries. It just endangers human populations.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I mean, Vince, you're the soul of common sense on this. It's amazing that scientists have made decisions that don't have that kind of common sense. We should be focused on things that improve human health. That's our mission. Why are we focused on utopian schemes that have never been proven to advance human health and that have the risk of causing worldwide pandemics?
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I've not been made aware of any NIH connection to those labs. I have read reports about them from the outsides. But if I learn of things, I'll let the public know. I mean, I've been uncovering things left and right. And some of us have been shocking. We'll talk about one thing, I'm sure, right? And so you're about to ask me, I hope, in a second about it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
But I haven't found anything yet about the Ukraine biolabs.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Oh, goodness. I've been scared by very little in the last five years, but this one really scared me. So about three weeks ago, I'd been three weeks in the job, I got a report from someone who was doing a routine inspection of this lab. The NIH runs one of the labs at Fort Detrick. They're military labs as well. The lab the NIH runs is a BSL-4 lab. BSL-4 means like the highest security level.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
You wear basically, you know, spacesuits and stuff. I mean, they're called whatever, biocontainment suits, if you're going to be working in a BSL-4 lab. And some of the stuff that are analyzed in those labs are just really nasty things. You know, Ebola, encephalitis viruses. I mean, they're just terrible if they get out in the human populations.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
And of course, they're not common in human populations. They're certainly not in the United States. The investigation uncovered a security incident that happened in March before I actually signed on, that a contractor had deliberately cut a hole in one of the bi-containment suits of a fellow worker. And let's go over a lover's bat as best I can tell. I'm not sure exactly what happened in any case.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
It's leaving aside the contractor and this act, which is, I mean, effectively an act of attempted murder, if not worse. The the the the the the fact that this had happened essentially been suppressed. And what I learned is that the safety culture of the lab was really bad.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
There were incidents going back into the Biden administration where essentially it was just like, you know, sort of waved aside as if it were just normal. This is not normal. You have people working with some of the most dangerous pathogens on the planet. doing experiments with them that could really, if it leaked, could spread out to the entire population, damage the whole population.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I mean, we saw what happened at Wuhan. And when I heard this, I mean, my blood was chilled. I thought, okay, you can't have a lax safety culture in a lab like this. You absolutely have to have 100% commitment to safety when you are engaged in experiments with these kinds of select agents. you know, like pathogens. And so I ordered that the lab essentially shut down until further notice.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
We secured those to select agents so that they're not going to pose any risk, the select agents being the viruses and stuff, and, you know, shut down all those experiments. I'm not going to reopen the lab until I'm satisfied that whoever is actually running it has safety as job one, two, and three. The experiments, some of them are likely important scientifically. And they're worth doing.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
At least some of them are. We're going to do a review of that as well. But no matter what the scientific benefit might be, it's not worth the risk of harming human populations at scale with a lax safety culture. And I won't reopen the lab until I'm satisfied that that has been regressed.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
There's an ongoing FBI investigation. So I don't I shouldn't step in front of it. And I actually have not been briefed yet on what they found on that specific on those specific questions. So but as far as I know, but you're you're satisfied. Yeah, as far as I know, no one got.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Yeah, I'm satisfied there's no threat to the public. I mean, I think that if there was a threat to the public, we would have known before I got into office. I mean, it's the kind of agents we're talking about, the kind of experiments we're talking about. So I'm satisfied that there was no threat to the public, no damage to the public, no risk to the public from this incident.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
But I'm not satisfied that we won't have a threat to the public in possible future incidents because it's the safety culture of a lab like this that determines what that risk actually is. In BSL-4 labs, there's no room for error. You cannot have any actions like this in a safety culture that waves its sides as it's normal. I mean, you can't have people like that running the lab.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
You know, it's interesting because this job normally is bipartisan. Everyone loves you because you're doing experiments that advance human health. You go around the country giving talks, bragging about the scientific advances that actually. So, you know, in normal times, it would be a really fun job.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I landed in this job in a setting where one of the most prominent people in this institution had to be pardoned by the outgoing president. I mean, it's an institution kind of that it's a little bit of a crisis. But as I said at the beginning, at the same time, there's a lot of goodwill toward the NIH because it has produced advances that have improved human health.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Like we are able to treat childhood cancers that we weren't able to treat before the NIH's research. We're able to
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
have the advances in how we manage heart heart disease uh treat diabetes um these are big advances that we we now have essentially a cure for sickle cell anemia which i mean these are these are big advances and so when i talk to folks in congress it's popular the nh is popular and you know i think it ought to be popular in that sense if you um if
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
What I hear from folks in Congress essentially is, you know, please keep doing this research that advances human health and improves human health. But please don't do any of the politicized stuff that divides people. So that's one of the things I'm really quite proud of. This even started before I got in the office.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
There were parts of the NIH portfolio that essentially were like DEI politicized nonsense. They weren't actually science. The NIH is absolutely committed to advancing the health of minority populations. I mean, minority populations are Americans, and we are –
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
our mission is to advance the health of every single american no matter what race you are no matter what what sex you are no matter what your beliefs are there's no democrat or republican science there's just science right we're committed to that um but we shouldn't be doing work that politicizes science and we've managed to get rid of almost all of it uh at least i hope most almost all of it there's there's a
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Let me let me make the analogy with something that happened at the USAID, you know, the agency that the Doge sort of looked into first at the USAID. They were doing some really good things like they had a program called PEPFAR, really universally popular because it provided low, cheap HIV drugs to patients in Africa, saving millions of lives. It was a really good program.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I've written about that program in the past. It's a program that was actually rescued and I think brought in by Marco Rubio into the State Department. The same agency had in it a program to add a third gender to the Bangladeshi census. Now, Bangladesh has all kinds of problems.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
There's arsenic in the drinking water, hundreds of thousands of children dying of diarrheal illnesses, I mean, poverty at scale. And what the US government was doing was adding a third gender to its census.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
If you take something that's good, you know, PEPFAR, and then you surround it and marble it with like absolute politicized nonsense, you leave the good things open to political attacks that should never happen.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
um and it was irresponsible for the leaders of of of the usaid to allow the good things to be surrounded and marbled with with with politicized nonsense um and uh i think that in a sense the transition is as to making sure the nih focuses on actual science that actually advances human health um that's that's what we've been doing um i you know i don't want to get too far into the budget because it's a budget fights are always not not fun to talk about but um
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I think that there's a lot of support, even from the president himself wrote a letter to his science advisor, Michael Kratios, committing the U.S. to be the premier nation in biomedicine in the 21st century. And the NIH is going to play a key role in that aspiration.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
You know, one of the things, okay, so this is probably not, shouldn't be, shouldn't have shocked me, but it did. The way that the press reports some things are so distorted, it's almost, I mean, it's mind blowing. Let me give you an example. We found, one of the things I found is that So researchers often work with foreign universities, foreign labs. It's normal.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
I mean, it's not like international collaboration science is normal. The way the NIH paid for these things was by something called sub awards. So an American university, some university in the United States, researcher says, I'm going to work with somebody in France. We give money to the American university. Then the university then gives the money to the lab in France or something like that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Anywhere, right? Doesn't matter. What I found out is that the NIH, which gives money to the US university, can't track really effectively or audit the money that's spent in that foreign lab. So the most crucial example of this is Wuhan. We can't get them to give us their lab notebooks for their experiments. We sent them money.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
So I put in a system that requires the same level of auditing power and scrutiny over the foreign labs that we give money to as we have of our American labs. It's a system, it's a little bit of a transition to get there, but it's not that disruptive. We're still allowing foreign collaborations to happen. It's just that now the NIH is going to be able to audit what's happening over there.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
The media reported as if I were banning all foreign collaborations. What we're doing is we're being able to audit foreign what's happening with American money in foreign institutions. I just, it's mind blowing to me, Vince, like how distorting a reporting can be, something that's really good and allow, in fact, will allow foreign collaborators to happen in a way that's like,
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
that the American people can be proud of instead is reported as, oh, we're some anti-science group that wants to kill all scientific collaboration. It's so far from the truth, it's remarkable. And yet the media reported it happily without even really asking me what was going on.
The Dan Bongino Show
Jay Bhattacharya on Secret Bio-Labs, COVID Origins, and MAHA | Episode 44
Thank you, Vincent. So it was a pleasure to talk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5/13
What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a competitive market you'd expect. You may think of it as somehow it's going after drug companies. Actually, it's helping drug companies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5/13
Because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with this order, is he's said to European governments, look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices, we're going to defend American drug companies in Europe.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5/13
At the same time, we're standing up for the American consumer who's been paying far too high prices for far too long.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5/13
Oh my God, Idan!
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5/13
Yeah!
The Megyn Kelly Show
Rep. Green Facing Censure, Vance Teases Finishing the Wall: AM Update for 3/6
The proper role of scientists in a pandemic is to answer basic questions that policymakers have about what the right policy should be. Our role isn't to make decisions to say you shouldn't be saying goodbye to your grandfather as he's dying in a hospital. It shouldn't be to say you can't have a funeral because it's too dangerous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Rep. Green Facing Censure, Vance Teases Finishing the Wall: AM Update for 3/6
The scientists say here's what the risks are, and then you decide whether you take it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Rep. Green Facing Censure, Vance Teases Finishing the Wall: AM Update for 3/6
Yes, you're absolutely right, Senator. We don't need to address every idea or concern. But if those concerns result in parents not wanting to vaccinate their children for a vaccine that is well tested, my sense is that my inclination is to give people good data.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Rep. Green Facing Censure, Vance Teases Finishing the Wall: AM Update for 3/6
The money that comes to me, the direct costs as researchers, I understand exactly where that money goes. The indirect costs, I don't know where that goes. I think that that a lot of it likely goes to the things that are worthwhile. And I've heard lots of folks, including from Stanford who say that, um, And I agree with them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Rep. Green Facing Censure, Vance Teases Finishing the Wall: AM Update for 3/6
Support for buildings, light bulbs to make sure that we can see in the lab, and a whole host of other important things. But there's a lot of distrust about where the money goes because the trust in the public health establishment has collapsed in the pandemic. I think transparency regarding indirect costs is absolutely worthwhile. And I want to make sure that the money goes to the research.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a competitive market you'd expect. Right now what's happening is the American people are subsidizing in large fraction the research and development efforts for drug companies around the world by the higher prices that we pay. With this new order, Europe will share the burden of that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
And in fact, if you may think of it as somehow it's going after drug companies, actually it's helping drug companies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
Because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with this order, is he's said to European governments, look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices, we're going to defend American drug companies.