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Dr. Eithan Haim

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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's amazing. It's got like 4.2 million views. It's wild. And it's like, you know, it's such a crazy thing because my wife and I, we're just average people, you know, and we live in a small town outside Dallas. I work in an even smaller town and somehow like people are interested in this story. And for that, I'm ultimately thankful.

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Yeah, and that's really the most important thing is that it was my duty to blow the whistle. Because the hospital was lying about a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing healthy young children. It was my duty as a doctor to do this. So if anyone else in my position had done the same thing under the Biden regime, This is what would have happened.

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And we saw this happen to countless other people. I mean, people spent years in prison, right, for doing nothing, for doing their jobs, for telling the truth. And this is, at a certain point, like, what kind of world are we delivering our children into? I had my first baby, right, in the middle of all this. You know, an hour after she was born, I had to leave to go to court.

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Yeah. And so I agree, but I would challenge you on one point. Because when you think about it, it's a psychological issue, gender dysphoria. There's no definitive biological basis for it that we can reliably and accurately determine in a way that these other interventions like puberty blockers, hormones, surgery, which are designed to treat, right? Those are designed for

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definitive biological interventions. Like I've implanted PB blockers in children with precocious puberty, right? Who have a definitive, well-defined endocrine abnormality, right? Mastectomies for cancer, right? Or gynecomastia, things like that. But in this case, they are using the most invasive physiological interventions for something that is psychological in nature.

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So when you have a doctor who does a informed consent for a patient, I would say that they're never really being informed because the doctor who is doing the informing is fundamentally misinformed about the treatment there or about the pathology they're intervening on in the relative success of those interventions. Because as it stands today, I don't think that we really know.

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But I do agree that like, of course, in some cases, like before 2020, this was kind of a fringe thing for like older adults. And if it's like a fringe thing that isn't like, you know, made into an algorithm for 11 year old children, then like, you know, I'm not going to die on that hill. But like, you know, now that it's like,

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being mainstreamed into elementary schools and general pediatricians, which is what was happening at Texas Children's. Man, that's a whole different thing. And this is a crime of the greatest degree.

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It's so different. It's true. And that's kind of where I live for many years. I have to concede, yeah, I mean, there is a lot of things that are beyond my realm of understanding just because there's something to say about decades of experience working in a certain field. Especially you, I mean, I've been listening to you for a long time. I mean, you were in the trenches, right?

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The one thing I would say that's slightly different about puberty blockers or hormones versus SSRIs and antipsychotics is the physiological impact on the multiple organ systems. Because when you look at like, for example, puberty blockers, when they're used in Tanner stage two, you know, there's no surgery in the world that can affect the changes that puberty blockers do, right?

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They affect the bones, the blood vessels, the brain, the secondary sexual characteristics, for example, and then hormones too. SSRIs and antipsychotics to a certain degree, and I see your point too. But they have a profound effect on the blood vessels, the heart, the brain, similar to- But this is the point you made out loud though, which was the risk reward has to be there.

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Yeah, so it's really for months, I didn't really believe what my eyes were seeing. I just didn't believe that the largest children's hospital in the world would do something this bad, right? That they would actually say one thing publicly and then three days later, just get back to what they were doing before and then expand their transgender program. But so once it was in January of 2023 that

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There was a Grand Rounds lecture and then a Zoom conference that proved beyond any disbelief that this was true, this was happening. Because the people were actually talking about how they were concealing what they were doing from state authorities, right? So it's like, all right, that was enough evidence for me. At that moment, it was very clear I had to do this. So in that way, it was easy.

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But then to your second question, that's very important too. Because when you think about the prosecution in this case, I didn't know this before, but there's something called interested parties to a prosecution, right? It's like the people, so TCH and Baylor were the interested parties of the prosecution. They were at every single hearing.

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They were listed on the criminal docket as interested parties. but they were also the victims of the indictment. They were also the people we had to get evidence from. So they were also the entities that were severely conflicted with the main prosecutor, right? And it was the hospital that had, you know, there's a lot of evidence that has already been unsealed. You had the chief of surgery at TCH.

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In my belief, Well, I'm gonna say this very delicately, right? He gave blatantly false information to the Department of Justice and the FBI in an interview. That false information was used as the main basis for the criminal indictment against me. The DOJ and the FBI knew this evidence was false because they had evidence completely contradicting it for eight months before.

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And it's my belief, I'm saying this, my belief, that this TCH chief of surgery knew that this was false. It's my suspicion of that. I'm not saying he knew it. I'm saying that I suspect that he knew it because he's in the position to know that this is false, right?

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She was on stage with Kamala Harris with the pro-abortion thing. They had chosen the one person who was multiple degrees of separation from me, who I had never met as their star witness, when they had dozens and dozens of people who they could have asked otherwise. I'm a little suspicious that they chose this one person specifically, but that goes back to your question is,

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the role of the hospitals and all this, they were all too willing to participate in this corrupt criminal indictment against me. And we have the evidence, sorry, unsealed. It's like beyond any reasonable doubt, sorry, public.

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Yeah, it's on X at Catherine Herridge or my own page. And also, for anyone who's interested in helping us out, we're still about a million dollars in debt for our legal bills. And so it's giftsendgo.com forward slash Texas underscore whistleblower. It sucks that we're in this position. We'll probably just pay it off over the next couple of decades, but anyhow- Are you working? Appreciate it.

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Yeah, well, there actually are already laws that make this legal. It's just whether they're going to be enforced. Got it.

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Yeah, I would say that's exactly how it happened in an encapsulated version. But all this happened in 2023, right? Between 2018 and 2023, I was a surgical resident at Baylor College of Medicine. I was doing general surgery. And this is one of the most prestigious surgery programs in the country. Yep, it is. Yeah, and you know, it's where trauma was born.

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You had Michael E. DeBakey and, you know, Cooley, you know, yeah, yeah. And, you know, we heard stories about these guys, you know, as we progressed in our training and these guys were legends. So it was a privilege to be at a place like Baylor College of Medicine. So, you know, I took these things seriously about being a doctor and what it meant to be a surgeon.

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and in 2022 in part of the residency training we spend a lot of time at texas children's hospital it's part of the consortium which baylor college of medicine is right because you rotate at a couple of hospitals So in 2022, this is after COVID, after the world has gone completely insane. The hospital releases a public statement saying that they're no longer going to prescribe or

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participate in the transgender interventions because of potential criminal ramifications, right? So they're saying they're shutting down their transgender program. And this was in response to a opinion that was released a few weeks earlier from the AG of Texas, Ken Paxson, that was saying this could be criminal child abuse, which it is.

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So it makes sense why the hospital would release that statement. But I knew that this was a lie because I worked there. I was a surgeon there. The people who were doing these surgeries told me they were doing it. And it continued on behind closed doors. And it not only continued, but it was expanded into a multidisciplinary clinic. And this was horrific what they were doing.

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So in the same operating rooms where we would take children and heal them, These were the same operating rooms where they were taking perfectly healthy children and implanting pure reblocking devices and turning them into chronic medical patients. So I anonymously blew the whistle in May of 2023 because for a bunch of months during 2022, I didn't believe it, right?

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And then I really decided to blow the whistle in January of 2023, but it took me five months to get hold of a journalist because most of them just didn't believe me. So- The day the story comes out was on May 16th, 2023. The day after, Texas passed SB14, which was a law that was outlawing these interventions for children in Texas.

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And it was partially passed in response to our story coming out the day before, right? And then another whistleblower comes out a couple of days later, someone who works in the clinic.

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itself right the one that supposedly did not exist and then the ag announces an investigation to the hospital and then the hospital says they're shutting down the program for the second time like 15 months so the highest possible bar for a whistleblower to cross i had crossed and I mean, what we had exposed became illegal within 24 hours.

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I would argue this has always been illegal because they're harming children and they have no evidence to substantiate what they're doing. But that's a separate point. A month after the story came out, June 23rd, 2023, the story was released in May, a month before.

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On the day of my graduation from surgical training, one of the most important days of my life, you can understand what that means, right? Two armed federal agents show up to my door like five hours before the ceremony. And they informed me that I'm a target of a criminal investigation.

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And I didn't speak with them that day, but after they left, they gave me a target letter, naming me as a target of an investigation. And my wife and I, at that point, we knew what was going on. So we decided that we had to fight back.

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And although it sounds completely insane, I mean, you know, we kind of freaked out for about an hour and then we opened a bottle of champagne and listened to like Vietnam War music on our patio. And then went to my graduation. Yeah. And but, you know, of course, the next couple of months I was still anonymous.

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It was and that's when things really devolved into a really bad place because the corruption I was seeing from the Department of Justice was like. I couldn't imagine, I mean, and I was still anonymous. The last thing I wanted to do was take this story public because I'm like a very private person. My wife and I didn't even have social media.

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But once, after a couple of months, after a couple of really shocking phone calls, the prosecutor had sent agents to my home without reviewing the evidence beforehand, right? That's crazy, that's insane, how can you not do that? She threatened my wife because my wife is actually a federal prosecutor at the Department of Justice. Wow. Yeah, so she was undergoing a background check at the time.

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The lead prosecutor, Tina Ansari, said, Andrea, my wife, she's not gonna have any problems with her background check unless she continues to become difficult. What she was referring to was my wife advising me to not speak with the agents without an attorney the first time they showed up in June.

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But, you know, there were a bunch of other things that happened that were, you know, frankly, illegal for her to do. Right. Like like outside the boundaries of what a prosecutor does.

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and do and we know this because my wife's prosecutor but there was one thing that pushed me over the edge she said that she was going to prosecute me bring me to a jury trial even if she was going to lose even on a technicality and the implication of that is well it's not about justice this is about destruction so that was it yeah yeah and that was like a few weeks after i started my first job as a general surgeon

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and um at the same time during these six months between june 2023 and january 2024 the hospital had leaked my name to people within the hospital who were leaving these malicious reviews about me online on my doctor profile accusing me of sexually abusing patients

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And we did our own investigation and found out that the person who was writing those reviews, it was the same IP address and it all came from someone inside the hospital. So it's like these people are gonna do everything to destroy me. The only thing I can do is to take my story public.

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And by that point too, we were completely broke because we had like $250,000 saved, but all that was gone in legal fees. And we're still about a million dollars in the hole. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a tough situation, but it is what it is. And then I took my story public in January of 2024.

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But the indictment only came six months after that, about a year after they first showed up to my home. And the indictment came in June of 2024.

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um and that was when 7 a.m you know three heavily armed u.s marshals came to my home right to serve me this indictment and my wife actually recognized them she knew one of them because she works at the federal office so she knows the u.s marshals you know um and you know what followed was a series of events that is it just boggles your mind like

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What their case involved was so corrupt, was so manifestly corrupt, it's hard to explain because they were using HIPAA as the basis of their indictment. But they were not saying any patient information was exposed. They were saying the victims of their HIPAA indictment was not any patient, but rather the hospital and its physicians, TCH and Baylor College Medicine.

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But the prosecutor who was bringing these charges had so many conflicts of interest. I mean, you couldn't throw a tennis ball at her Thanksgiving dinner without hitting a TCH fundraiser, a board member, or a CEO of a business who had contracts with... hospitals under the Baylor College of Medicine academic consortium. And once we found this out, she had to remove herself from the position.

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But there's so many layers of the corruption, but it all came to a head when I was criticizing the government and the judge had issued a de facto gag order because I was criticizing the government. He threatened me with prison, right? To go to jail if I continue to exert my First Amendment right and criticize the government for what was obviously their corruption.

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They had an indictment fall apart because they left a typo. They charged me with a non-existent crime. This is the federal government, right? And we're going millions of dollars into debt, and they can't even proofread their indictments, right? And they have no proof of what they're charging me with? Yeah. And then, so the judge was completely corrupt too, right?

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I mean, it all came to a head ultimately after Trump was inaugurated. His executive order ending the weaponization of the Department of Justice We heard behind closed doors that they were escalating the case when obviously this was in contradiction to his EO. So I decided to speak out against the judge's de facto gag order and he went completely off his rocker.

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And I heard from multiple sources that this guy was gonna issue a warrant for my arrest unless I signed an agreement with the government. So I signed an agreement that was obviously made under duress. So I completely had the intention of violating that agreement.

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But the good thing is that agreement was torn up the next day because the Department of Justice, the transition team issued guidance to the Southern District of Texas that they had to drop this case with prejudice because it had no merit. It was completely corrupt. And that's what happened. Two days after I broke the judge's fake corrupt gag order, he had to sign the dismissal of my case.

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Yeah, that's true. In fact, the Department of Justice were the only ones who released patient information in their indictments. And every time I use the criminal indictment in an ex post, I censored the initials because you shouldn't do that. I mean, this is patient information that shouldn't be released. So I didn't, the Department of Justice did.

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Yeah, because my wife knew about me blowing the whistle anonymously before. So she kind of did her own analysis. And she's like, of course, there's no chance they can come after you because there's no HIPAA violation. I was working at the hospital. The DOJ tried to say that I hacked into the system, that I wasn't working there.

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Yes, yeah. Okay, are you gonna sue all these people? I hope. So the statute of limitations for the person who is writing these reviews pass. In terms of suing the government, it's like one of those things where it's a whole lot of squeeze, not a lot of juice. Based on my experience so far, it's like going through the court system, these people protect their own.