Dr. Azadeh Khatibi
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Well, let's talk about, and then you can remind me what your first thing is. Oh, the pharmaceuticals, the concept of a drug.
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Right, I mean, the word safe, we've lost the concept of what the word safe is anyway. There is no such thing as safe, right? I think, again, so reactivity in my mindfulness training was something like, we have to reduce reactivity and promote centeredness, which really, the reactivity really fed a lot of people's dysregulated behavior during COVID and them feeding in from-
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Well, I mean, reactivity of politicians, reactivity of the populace when they listen to the news and then they're like, oh my God, and they feed into it. The reactivity of doctors who try to save their skin instead of being centered, calm, wise, and then responding appropriately in the given moment.
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That's kind of what I mean by reactivity that leads to like dysregulation within society and also dysregulation within the self. But for me, you know, coming in medicine, this is very basic, like medicine 101 that you learn. Okay, go get consent from the patient for this procedure.
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So you go in as, you know, your med student with your intern, for example, and then you tell the patient, okay, you know, we're going to do this procedure on you. It has risks, benefits, and there's alternatives. And so you document risks, benefits, alternatives discussed with the patient. You never go to the patient and say, this is safe. You should do it.
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Like you're taught that is actually unethical to do. It is wrong to do. And you're lying to the patient. However, somehow during the COVID time, the word safe was like this wonderful thing. Vaccines are safe and effective, safe and effective. And I was making the argument, especially on my physician Facebook groups, like, why are you guys using the word safe? Like, is the world upside down?
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It's never, nothing is ever safe. There's always risk. And I never told a patient when I, you know, when you're doing the consent procedure, Whenever they ask me, like, is this safe? I would say nothing is safe. There's always a risk.
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In your case, you know, in your case, you're a 20-year-old, 25-year-old male engineer who's very conscientious and you can't see because of this membrane on your retina and you're really upset about it and you can't do your work. I would say the risks... are outweighed by the benefits of this procedure of getting a membrane peel.
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However, if the same lady, you know, if another patient came to me who was 75 years old and said, ah, yeah, I know I have this membrane, maybe it's a little bit warped, but I just watch TV. I don't really do much reading. It really doesn't bother me. I'd be like, no, we're not going to do that. because the risk of the procedure outweigh the benefit to you. So it's going to be case by case basis.
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That was thrown out the window during COVID. I don't know why. And so I had to find myself discussing like basics of medicine. The word safe should not be used when discussing medication. No medication or any intervention is safe. Walking down the street is not safe. Being in this physical body and having this physical experience on this earth has risk.
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And sometimes terrible things happen, even if you've tried to mitigate the risk. And you just have to understand that there's going to be a risk. So there's no such thing as safe. We should just get rid of that word in medicine.
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As far as the drugs, I'm absolutely 100% with you that we need to minimize use of interventions, pharmaceutical interventions. It's gotten to this crazy, it's crazy. We live in an insane system where 40 and 50-year-old women, 25% of them are on antidepressants. Right? You go to the office, you're like a 50-year-old woman, I don't feel good. Here's an antidepressant. There's no counseling.
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Maybe they'll refer you to a therapist. And they're not looking at all the other things that are happening. Are you living a purpose-driven life? Your children have left the home. How does that make you feel? other things are you doing with your day now? Have you considered volunteering? What makes you happy? How's your activity level? Are you getting movement? Are you getting sunlight?
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What's your nutrition like? 75% of the country is deficient in magnesium, right? We're taking it away from our bones. The basics have been completely ignored and we're just throwing drugs at people, which is just upside down.
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Yeah, that's another thing that's been, you know, it was like, used to be, and you know this better than me because you saw the before of like how pain became another vital sign.
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to make everybody's pain zero or else, you know, if you didn't make their pain zero, it became bad. So then everybody was getting over-medicated. Now with these surveys, you want to get a good survey result. So you're just going to appease the patient. And that's just, it's just terrible. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, that's right.
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I was initially super overwhelmed, in shock, couldn't believe it. And I started following the public health training and medical training I got. And I was like, what I'm hearing on the news, and it really COVID woke me up to how much the news was teaching me things that, or was trying to tell me things and indoctrinating me in things that were not reality.
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And as I awoke, I decided to work on myself, strengthen myself, and then I started speaking out. California made these terrible laws, one after another, or bills. And then I started advocating, and As I grew more strong in my voice, as I grew more strong in my confidence and took steps, I started speaking out more and more and got involved in fighting some of these censorship laws against doctors.
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And they keep writing them, so we have to keep fighting them.
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Censored Doctors: Race Hoax Exposes Dark Side Of Mandated Speech In Medicine w/ Dr. Azadeh Khatibi – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 471
So the one I'm currently fighting right now was actually written before the first one up. But the first one up was AB 2098, which was a law that was authored by members of the vaccine working group, especially Evan Lowe was the bill's primary author. And so these people kind of wrote a slew of bills during the COVID times in California as a reaction, right? Not thinking, as a reactionary.
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And one response, we have to control doctors was one of them because doctors are spreading misinformation. And so that was what they were saying, and disinformation. They're saying that there's nanobots in the vaccines, and we have to get doctors who say there's nanobots in the vaccines. I was like, what doctor is saying there's nanobots in the vaccine?
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And don't we have laws, and we have laws on the books already that prevent show that legal action can be taken against doctors by the state if they say disinformation. And so they put out a law, AB 2098 was the bill, and Governor Gavin Newsom ended up signing it. And the law said that any doctor who engages in disinformation or misinformation can get their license taken away or investigated.
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And the disinformation I agree with, disinformation is like a doctor knowingly spreading false information. Unethical, it's wrong, absolutely. But their definition of misinformation was really frightening. They defined misinformation as information that's against consensus, contrary to standard of care. So this word consensus loomed. I'm like, what's the consensus? Is it formal consensus?
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Is it informal consensus? Who is deciding the consensus? Why, why? Why are we saying that? What's consensus? So everybody's going to chill their speech. The legal term is called chilling your speech. Not speak, which was already happening among physicians. So I was like, oh my gosh, this is just going to come back. compound the issue. And we saw that it did compound the issue.
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And so as I spoke out against it, I met with my representative, my state senator, Sidney Kamlager's office, who, by the way, was the author of the second bill or the second law that I'm fighting now. She's now gone on to Congress. I don't know what she's doing. I guess she and I have some celestial karma that we're figuring out, or at least I'm trying to figure out on Earth now.
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But she backed that law. I met with her office. I was like, you cannot push AB 2098 that makes all doctors fear to say anything because they're afraid to be outside of consensus. This doesn't make sense. It's unethical. It's wrong. It's a free speech violation. She voted for it anyway. So many Democrats in the state legislature voted for it anyway. Governor Gavin Newsom signed it.
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And as I'm speaking out then, I got the opportunity to be a part of that lawsuit, along with some great doctors, Ram Dursetti, Aaron Cariotti, Pete Mazalowski, Tracy Beth Hogue, and supported by the wonderful people at the New Civil Liberties Alliance.
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The ACLU, who, by the way, during COVID, was pushing for vaccine mandates and saying that vaccine mandates were a wonderful thing, was nowhere to be found in this free speech violation. Of course. Wonderful.
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You know, it's so important to support great nonprofits, legal nonprofits like the New Civil Liberties Alliance, like the Pacific Legal Foundation that's heading up as counsel for the current lawsuit that I'm involved in for free speech for doctors.
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She was very interested, but she ended up not being involved in that lawsuit. But she was one of the people who reached out to me and was like, do you wanna fight this? And so I really appreciate her fierceness that gave me that feeling that, hey, this is possible, we could do this. And she's a role model. So what ended up happening is that multiple, so there's a couple different groups that sued.
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Children's Health Defense Fund was one of them. We had individual doctors. I was also suing in the capacity of a patient because I, you know, as a patient, I also said I want to be able to hear my doctor's speech because the First Amendment not only affects the speaker, the First Amendment is also supposed to protect the rights of the listener to hear that speech.
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So if the government is interfering with the First Amendment rights of the doctor, then the patient's First Amendment rights to hear that speech are also being interfered with. So I sued in both capacities as a doctor and a physician. And there were several other doctors. There was... Another legal nonprofit that was also fighting.
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So it's nice to have different groups fighting the same law, because it gives you more opportunity for the nuance in the discussion, the arguments to get better as well. And so we got a preliminary injunction when we were fighting the physician consensus law, and that's very rare to get. And our judge had come and He was like, what? This law doesn't make grammatical sense.
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This law doesn't make it clear on what a doctor can say and what they can't say. Who's deciding what they can say and what they can't say? And he was asking these questions. of the state's lawyer. By the way, the state's lawyer is the same lawyer in this current case. So at both lawsuits, the state's lawyer is the same person. And so she really couldn't answer some of these questions.
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She did her best in that first case. And she, I mean, he just pointed out how ridiculous the state's arguments were. He's called the law nonsense. And when he said that, I felt so much better. It's like finally someone can see how nonsense is. Gavin Newsom didn't see the nonsense. Rob Bunta, the Attorney General, didn't see the nonsense.
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All those Democrats who voted for this bill didn't see the nonsense, didn't see the gross ethical First Amendment rights violations in it. But he gave us the preliminary injunction, which meant that they couldn't come after us if we broke the law. And then he decided to hold off on ruling. And in the meantime, one of the other groups of doctors that had lost went to the appellate level.
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And in the appellate level, the three-judge panel was really cooking the— state attorney basically giving her lots of questions, like this doesn't make sense, and really questioning her. So it looked like they were gonna lose at the appellate level. And what happened, this is the back insider story, is that one of my friends had Gavin Newsom come up to him.
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And what he did is he said, and this is actually after the fact, what ended up happening is they repealed the law very quietly. And Gavin Newsom went up to my friend and he said it was my idea to repeal the law. and he took credit for it. And I think what ended up happening is that he saw how grossly unethical and a violation of free speech this was, and he wanted to look good.
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So he saw that it was gonna make him and the state look bad. And so he got the Democrats to push for the repeal.
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He's been watching a lot of Dr. Drew lately.
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Dr. Drew, I'm super excited to be here. I'm super honored. Thanks so much for having me. I used to listen to you as an adolescent every single night on Loveline. So it's like surreal and super cool.
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This is a bust of Washington.
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Here, I'll put it over here so Georgie can be seen. I got this as an award for, I got this as a bravery award for speaking out against AB 2098.
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You know, I didn't look at the article overall, but I did look at who was involved and some background work. And I did look at the FOIA email, FOIA email record. So I have some stuff to say about it.
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Well, so this was an article that came out in 2020. It was called Physician-Patient Racial Concordance and Disparities in Birthing Mortality for Newborns. So what this means is basically patient-physician racial concordance is like if the doctor's white and the patient is white. If the doctor's black... the patient's black, they're racially concordant.
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So they were looking at, are there disparities in the death rates of babies, newborn babies, based on whether or not the babies are black and the doctors are black, or the babies are black and the doctors are white? If there's differences in race between the doctor and the patient, will the babies die at a higher rate? And this was published in the journal Economic Sciences in 2020.
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And the authors are Brad Greenwood, Rachel Hardiman, Laura Huang, and Aaron Sojourner. Guess how many of these people are doctors? Zero. Zero. So from what I could tell, their backgrounds were in economics, electrical engineering. One person had an MPH and a PhD, but no MDs, no nurses, no DOs, no medical background. And I think that's also one of the reasons that the article came out being such a
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poor quality and had such a gross error in it. But the article when it was published came out to much fanfare because what they were saying is that it showed that when black babies are taken care of by white doctors, they have a higher mortality rate than when black babies are taken care of by black doctors. And this got a lot of press.
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Also a lot of backlash, people were upset about it because some people really don't want us to look at racial concordance data. And I think it's gotten so much bad press. One of the people, Rachel Hardiman, the MPH PhD, you can't see her tweets unless she approves you as a follower. So some of them have felt this backlash against them. And rightly so, because what happened is that
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When the paper came out, people were making, including Judge Jackson, Supreme Court Justice Jackson, talked about in one of her opinion judgments about how this lack of Or about how the death of black babies at higher rates at the hands of white doctors is a huge problem.
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And really focusing on like, there's some biases and there's some huge problems here in terms of the mortality rate of black people that we need to adjust, to attend to. especially implying that there's like all this subconscious bias of white people towards black people that's affecting their mortality rates.
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However, Do No Harm, which is actually one of my co-plaintiffs in the AB 241 case that we're appealing right now, Do No Harm got the email records, they FOIA, God bless them, they FOIAed the email records of the authors involved in the study. And what they found is that when they were writing out the study,
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One of the models that they did showed that white babies died more under the care of a black physician And what Brian or Brad Greenwood, the lead author, said in the comment section when they were editing the paper together, he said, I want to delete this. I'm deleting it because I don't want to take away from our main argument. I want to strengthen our narrative.
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Well, that's, you know, yeah. He said, I want to strengthen the narrative of saving black babies. And I don't want to undermine that narrative. It's just shocking to me, right? Because as a scientist, yeah, well, it's not shocking, but in a way it's shocking, right? The ethical person who wants to just look at the data.
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And we, of course, understand that models can be twisted to say whatever you want them to say a lot of the time. But you should be pursuing the truth, the essence as close as possible as truth. And these ideas of stories and narratives are just ridiculous. And I wonder if there had been a medical doctor, maybe, maybe,
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they would have, at least someone would have pointed out, wait a minute, we have to show what the data is actually showing. We can't massage the data or leave parts out to fit a narrative story. I'm a storyteller, right? So I'm a filmmaker. I love telling stories, but those are like two very different parts of the brain.
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And there's, you know, you have to, there's one where you want to show people and lead them emotionally, et cetera. Then there's the one where you're like, based on facts, that part of your brain where it's like, let's do fact-based, let's hear to the ethics.
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But it shows you like what the layers of convoluted like egoic desires that are feeding this quote unquote science, right? It's no longer science because there is like this egoic desire for an outcome, right? Or that myopic focus. It's like religion.
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But I will tell you, I think one more, wait, can I just tell you one more important thing about this article? Is that they didn't actually look at the reason black babies were dying at higher rates under white doctors. And the reason was- that more serious ill babies were being taken care of by the white doctors.
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We actually have something else in common too. We have something else in common is that you and I have both been on, 20 years apart, we've both been on Wheel of Fortune.
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It doesn't. And then when you have people who are not involved in medicine and actually don't have that understanding, you're going to get junk science like this, junk science like this. Which leads me to the AB241 lawsuit, which is the government trying to basically architect the medical consciousness of doctors.
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So this law was actually signed, was passed and signed by Gavin Newsom and the legislature in 2019, but it's taken a few years for it to be implemented. And what it is, and the bill was AB 241, and the case is Katibi versus Hawkins, and we're fighting it with the help of our legal nonprofit, Pacific Legal Foundation.
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What they basically said is that they want every doctor in CME, based on this law, to satisfy the implicit bias teaching. So the law says that every single continuing medical education course, and in the state of California, a doctor has to have 50 hours of continuing medical education every two years.
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at every single continuing medical education course that a doctor teaches, they need to teach examples of how implicit bias affects perceptions and treatment decisions of physicians and surgeons, leading to disparities in health outcomes. Or,
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Strategies to address how unintended biases and decision-making may contribute to healthcare disparities by shaping behavior and producing differences in medical treatment along the lines of race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, age, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. So that's what the law says.
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And the law says that every doctor or organization or organizers has to do it at every single CME. So I think that this is ridiculous. It's a First Amendment violation. It opens the door to basically government controlling not just doctors, but all licensed professionals in California. And essentially, what they're doing is they're saying,
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Implicit bias is bad and we can have that discussion because I actually think implicit bias understanding is very good for doctors to have. It's still controversial. So different doctors have different opinions on what implicit bias is. Is it the roots of prejudice? Is it not the roots of prejudice? But...
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Sidney Kamlager Dove, with the help of some organizations, created this bill and got it passed into law because they want to avoid different outcomes based on race and gender, etc., especially race. And basically with CME, it's a system, just so your listeners understand, CME is continuing medical education.
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It's a system that was created by doctors, for doctors, privately, with private institutions. And it was just a bunch of doctors getting together and saying, hey, it'd be nice for us to have these education courses and they would just meet and hang out. And then it became, as things grow, they became a system.
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Then the government, and actually the doctors were like, hey, it'd be good if doctors were licensed. We should have some level of licensure. And so the government, they went to the government and then the government created a licensure system. And that's why doctors have to be licensed in our states. And
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the state then said, hey, you guys have the CME system, we're gonna require a certain number of hours every year that you guys have to learn. And so what has now happening is the government is saying, hey, in your CME, in every single CME course that you teach, you have to teach on implicit bias.
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So they've hijacked a private system, and now they're calling for government speech in that private system. And Rob Bunta, the attorney general, and his lawyers are arguing, and they've won it. They won it at the lower level, and we're appealing it in the higher court, in the appellate court. They're basically saying, we can mandate this speech because every physician knows this.
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Doctors who go to CME are engaging in government speech. And doctors listening to other doctors know that they're listening to government speech. So they're just making this stuff up. It's incredibly dangerous.
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They're basically saying you're speaking on behalf of the government when you teach CME. Did you know that, Dr. Pinsky? Did you know all these years you've been going to CME? You've been listening to government speakers speak?
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Right, so the lower court has said- I want you to do something though.
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Oh my God. And that wasn't, they weren't even mandating your speech at that point. They were just saying you have to take this course. So, I mean, that's why government should not get involved in medicine at all.
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No, it's fine. You went for it. I love it. You went for it.
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Well, if anybody says you're racist, the comeback to that is implicit bias is a controversial topic. And there's people who created the implicit, the psychologists who created the implicit association test, those three, there's discussion and debate and difference among them on whether or not it contains the roots of prejudice or not.
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So even the people who created the implicit association test that coined the term implicit bias have disagreements. So, and there's evidence that implicit bias training can even backfire and make people even more biased or resentful. So this is not something the government should be- This is not something the government should be involved in. It's opening the door to like the government.
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Yeah. That's, I mean, what we've seen throughout history is that terrible things have happened when the government is involved in healthcare and deciding what should and should not be done. Whether it's the eugenics movement and forced sterilizing thousands of people, including Californians. California was the head of that, the opioid stuff that you're talking about. Yeah.
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And now this, I mean, we should keep government out of health, health care and decision making. Now, I mean, with this idea of CME being government speech, what are we going to do? It's going to open the door to different states. Just so you guys, your listeners understand, it's going to open the door to different states.
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One state saying all doctors at all CME have to teach that abortion is health care. Another state will say all doctors at all CME have to teach that abortion is unethical. And so what if a doctor's First of all, it's wrong to be mandating speech of doctors. And second of all, what happens if a doctor is licensed in both of those states?
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Now they're in a terrible position because now they have to teach opposite to what one state wants. Are they going to get investigated? Is a fellow or a resident who's pissed off at an attending going to report them for not teaching implicit bias at the one CME that they forgot to teach it at? Are private institutions or pharmaceutical companies that fund CME now funding state speakers? Are...
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teachers at academic institutions now going to get fired because they can't teach CME, which is a job requirement for them because they don't believe in it. And so the judge asked the lawyer for the state, can they disagree with this law? Can they say they disagree with it? And she couldn't define how much they could disagree with it. So you don't even know
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I went bankrupt once. It happens. It happens. This is life, the ups and downs of life. You just do your best.
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to the extent to which you can disagree. So this is a dangerous precedent for all licensed professionals because it opens the door for all licensed professionals, whether you're a physical therapist, whether you're an architect, whatever you are, to have mandated speech at both the state and federal level when you're being taught courses.
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And some doctors can then become targets because the government can weaponize this law against them.
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My gosh, so you can get retinitis, you can get not just retinal, so let's just talk ophthalmic. So you can get like a conjunctivitis, that's like the most common thing that you hear about. And so, I mean, what are you gonna do about it? You can also get retinitis, what can you do about it?
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It was just one eye? Okay, so yeah, usually when you get these raccoon eyes, it could also be not just an eye thing, but it could be a sign of allergy or it can be a sign of sinusitis or yeah, maybe a thrombosis of something. So that's not good.
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Well, what I'm going to tell you is in addition to my MPH degree and my MD, I had also studied molecular biology at UCLA. I was a region scholar at UCLA. I studied molecular biology. And when I looked at the mRNA vaccine specifically, I looked at that and I said, why is nobody else speaking up? Because this mRNA vaccine is a setup just the way it is. It's a setup for inflammation.
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It's a setup for immune disorders. It's a setup for recurrent cancer. It's a setup for, or excuse me, a setup for cancer. It's a set up for latent cancers coming back. It's a setup for recurrent infections and latent infections resurging. Can nobody else see the mechanisms of action? Why aren't we talking about it? And why didn't the studies actually look at this?
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Why didn't they even look at inflammatory markers when they were doing this, when we knew from before, from decades, maybe not decades, but years of mRNA research that this is an inflammatory product? And why didn't they look at this stuff? And then when I listened to the Vaccine Advisory Committee for Pfizer in 2020, December 2020, none of the people on the committee were asking these
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Deep questions. One person asked about, is it possible that through a reverse transcriptase mechanism, the mRNA vaccine can then integrate into your genome, not the vaccine, but the mRNA can integrate into the gene and maybe it's reversed. And what did the Pfizer representative say? It's a possibility. We think it's low, but we haven't tested it.
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You know, it's just like, you're saying it's possible. That's what you're telling me. So, I mean, there's just so many things. But for me, infection, cancer, inflammation were like these big things that were glaring.
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We're seeing them.
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Sure, so what you guys can do is you can call and tweet your state senators and representatives and tell them to reappeal AB 241, the law. You can contact Gavin Newsom's office and tell him to put pressure to reappeal the law like you did for AB 2098. You can donate to the Pacific Legal Foundation and other legal nonprofits like the New Civil Liberties Alliance.
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I got some cash and a trip to Chicago. So even though I didn't win.
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I really appreciate what Pacific Legal Foundation has done for us with this case. And yeah, keep pressure on your representatives. Tweet this stuff out and follow me for more information. I'm working on a documentary on free speech now with some great people. and free speech and medicine specifically.
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And you can follow me on my podcast within with Dr. Azadeh Khatibi, MDMS MPH, as well as my sub stack and keep speaking up about these things and be interested in them because it's your future. It's your health and stay healthy. Don't go to a doctor if you need to, unless you need to.
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Thank you, Dr. Drew. You've always been a role model for me, even starting from when I was 11. And I really appreciate you. Thank you so much. You're awesome.
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That's better.
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Well, I mean, I got an MPH because I went to medical school and I realized, oh, I'm learning about individual health, but I really want to learn about, you know, just always been a very curious, knowledge-seeking person. So I said, okay, well, I want to learn about health from a public perspective. How do we actually shift change instead of dealing with a heart attack here?
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How do we prevent heart attacks on a population scale? So that was interesting to me. I was also in a five-year program that only accepted 12 people a year at that point, the joint medical program between UC Berkeley, UCSF. And so I was like, okay, I'm here for five years. Might as well learn more. And so I got my MPH. I was also getting a master's at that time too.
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So I got three degrees and had a baby in like six years. It was a lot.
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I did it, and I'm so grateful now because of having that background of all those degrees really helped me analyze things, I think, in a way that maybe some of my peers didn't. As for why people are getting multiple degrees now, I kind of...
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Part of me wishes for the good old Donna Reed days where you just got your MD and then you establish yourself in your practice and you became part of the community and you saw patients. But I think now people get their JDs, people get their MBAs. A lot of physicians get their MBAs because they saw the corporatization of medicine.
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They wanted to understand it better and take leadership in those roles. For me, the MPH seemed like a natural thing to do. It's an intuitive thing. And I love knowledge, so it just made sense. And it was convenient to get to.
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Yeah, I mean, I heard him on the Derate the Hate podcast with Wilk Wilkerson, who you've had on your show. He's a friend of mine and his interview of Francis Collins. Francis Collins was like, well, we were just so in the thick of it that we didn't have time to ask our physician colleagues on the outside what their perspectives were.
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We just wanted to look at what was in front of us and take care of it. And he had time to make a mediocre song music video during COVID.
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So I have not been teaching recently. You're participating in CME after medical school, so you're actively teaching because you're a doctor at that point. And then after I finished training my residency and fellowship as a retina physician, I was still teaching. And then with these new laws especially, it just keeps coming on the books. I just...
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Yeah, and I think that part of it is this group think that happens. Everybody shows up at the meeting, probably in DC, and they were all like, there's the group dynamics that happen. Who's the leader? Who are the followers? All these things.
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I would have loved to be a fly on that wall to find out how their neuropsychological profiles and personalities led them to become followers versus leaders and to be inhibited to point things out. Or there's also tribalism that happens, right? This tribalism of, okay, this part of the media is against us, so we must be right, right?
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Because I don't agree with them on other stuff, so the conservatives are against me, and so I must, since I don't like conservative media, I must be on the right path. And there's also something I think deeper, too, in terms of reactivity. One of the things I've really worked on
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on myself is like, in my mindfulness practice especially, is to reduce the reactivity and instead have a responsiveness and an open-mindedness about things, which I generally tend to be an open person.
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But like, I remember, you know, when I was listening to you on K-Rock all those years ago, I thought all doctors, you know, I looked up to you because I thought, oh, all doctors are like, are open and they're open-minded and they're humble and they're wise and they're... You know, and the open-mindedness and, like, being able to say you're wrong.
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But then I went to med school and realized a lot of people aren't like that, even in the medical field. So the risk-benefit analysis that you talk about, just to bring it back to the public health thing that you talked about, I was—
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So frustrated and then flabbergasted and then just completely overwhelmed by the fact that the people in public health were not looking at following the basic public health principles that I've been taught in public health school. Basic stuff. That's right. What is going on with the people? What do the people want? You don't just push an intervention on people.
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And this was a public health ethics thing that we learned in medical school, an issue of coming in and just pushing what you think is best on the populace is not the right thing to do. You have to understand their... their understanding, their culture, their desires, and incorporate that into a positive public health plan. That's number one. And then ethics, right?
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It's not just a Machiavellian ends justify the means, right? That's like the opposite of what we learned in public health school. The means through which you achieve your end is very important. It has to be ethical. It has to... take into account what's going on on the ground and what the people's desires are and what their cultural understandings are. And so that wasn't being considered at all.
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And the mandates with the vaccinations that came, there was no public health uproar about, hey, what about the Geneva Convention? How about all these Documents that we have that in times of emergencies, right? When things are like chill and no problem and there's no pandemic, although we can discuss the definition of pandemic and how that changed over time and how that was used incorrectly.
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But if there's an emergency going on, that's the time when these documents, these ethics and medical ethics documents and agreements that you guys have throughout the years and decades of experience, especially people in World War II who saw the horrors, of what happened, especially us in California, which were the leaders, the leaders of the eugenics movement that fed the Holocaust.
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When we've gone through this stuff and then we have these rules, like don't do this to people, don't mandate biological interventions that they don't want on them. If you just forget about that, it's just the opposite of what public health ethics should be. So, and then I thought to myself, another thing was like, oh my gosh, why aren't they talking about
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And about like the importance of diet and exercise and sleep. This could have been- Fresh air. This could have been fresh air, sunshine, like the basic doctoring things that now we're realizing the reasons they said fresh air and sunshine is like an important thing. Why aren't they talking about this stuff?
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Cuz they were so myopically focused and that lack of open mindedness, that myopic focus prevents you from seeing everything else. And this dependence also on medical intervention in the form of a pharmaceutical as opposed to all the other things that actually create a human thriving. It was hugely to our detriment. And it really was sad the way it played out.
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I'm really happy that there were some doctors who stood up. I think there were a lot who were just scared and didn't stand up. You know, after I started speaking out, my friends, you know, who come from many different parts of the political spectrum who are doctors were like, oh, I really admire you. It's so great that you're speaking up, but I can't speak up because I'm hired by this organization.
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Even the private practice ones were scared. Oh, don't say anything. You know, one of them told another friend of mine at a dinner party, he said, don't ever sign an exemption. It's just like saving your skin as opposed to actually following the ethics of what a doctor should do.