DJ Shipley
Appearances
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You are a one-on-one? My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I think you find that person. Just in the initial process, it's so hard to get in the buds. It's so hard to make it through that selection. You're already a little bit selfish anyway. You have to be. In order to just prepare to go to buds, you really have to live in isolation. And then it's not really a team sport. I know it is, but going through selection, it's individual performance.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You have to be able to perform the entire way. And anything that is a distraction, you just naturally block it out. You just have to, you roll an ankle, you get this, you get an injury, you just override and just keep going. And you do that, it becomes your routine. If you don't like the way things are going, you just block it out.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It becomes a big issue. They remove you. It's very common if guys are going through a divorce. It's so common. I mean, the SEAL teams are... Well over 100%. I mean, they have been my whole time. Over 100% divorce rate. If it becomes nasty to where you can't make a deployment, you can't make trips, like you're in court, custody battles, they just remove you. They remove you? Yep.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They'll remove you, put you on the sidelines for two years, clean up your divorce, figure it all out, and then come back.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They'll put you in a training slot or an admin slot.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Yeah, I mean, you put in so much time and energy to get to the organization. You're so critical to its overall performance. Right now, if you're not at 100%, they have to pull you out and put in somebody else.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It's the exact same thing with injuries. We have guys with some colossal injuries. They just, they override it. You ever been at like a bull riding show? You ever seen the guys get taped up? Taping their shoulders in place? You'd be surprised you see a special operations team room. The injuries these guys are able to just push through.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
KT tape all over their body, cortisone injections, just everything to get through because they don't want to get pulled off. And eventually those injuries stack up so bad, you can't hide it anymore. I mean, we're doing some brutal physical activities and you cannot keep up. You got to get surgery. And they don't want to. Like they don't want to jump off that train.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And sometimes you have to push them off the train. Go get surgery, do six months of rehab and come back here. I can't have you at 45% right now. I can't. You got to go the whole way. Go get surgery. I was one of those guys. He's been that guy. Like you have to get surgery right now. Okay.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Dials, not switches. Donald's not switches every time. So switch meaning, you know, I joined a Navy at 17 years old, Cole, 18, 19 years old. I just flicked that switch Navy seal. It's the only thing I care about. Now you start stacking on all the other stuff and you can't give it equal bandwidth. And that's where the resentment comes in. So I imagine a literal switchboard. I've got my family dial.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And if you do that, you end up making him a martyr even more and growing his following even more. Like, look what he sacrificed for the cause.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I've got my, or I've got my, my operational, my passion, my profession, whatever that is, as soon as I wake up in the morning, I'm powering down the family dial all the way. I'm not thinking about you when I'm driving in. I'm not thinking about picking up kids off the bus. None of that matters to me right now. All I'm thinking about is my next two hours.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
As soon as I complete those two hours, I reoperate my dials, recalibrate, whatever I have to fully focus on.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
As far as we know, but might as well be. Might as well be, right. We grew up in the same area. I mean, separated a couple miles from each other's high school, joined the Navy at the same time.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
22.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
The fact that everybody in there is a human. We use Signal, we use Silent Circle, we add all the same thing, and people have the same name. And as soon as I first saw that, we were on the gym talking about them. That looks like you're a normal person scrolling down on the phone, and you click one wrong name, and you don't realize there's two John Davises in your phone.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
That's what it looked like to me. Nobody sanity checked it, and you start communicating. I mean, we've launched out really detailed stuff on Signal Chats. I mean, business stuff, I mean, all kinds of stuff. Things happen. I mean, there have definitely been some checks and balances and there needs to be sanity checking that, but that's real world. That's what they do. That's what everybody does.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You have a group chat, you have a signal thread, and I'm sure you're on them too, that if that thing gets leaked and the photos that you share with your old buddies, something you don't want out there, it's the same thing. It's just on a huge public scale now. That seems very normal to me that someone messed up a signal group chat. At that level?
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Well, no, you know, you shouldn't have it at that level. But at the end of the day, people are human. They're brand new into that job. They haven't done that. I mean, he didn't have any experience doing that before. Like how many people are in that? I don't know. I don't think it was malicious by any of those guys.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I don't most certainly don't think anybody would add a reporter into a signal chat and start talking about business knowingly.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I can't remember a time for it actually happening, like an actual thing, business being leaked out to anybody. Nothing pre, always post.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'll date myself. It was probably 2011, 2012. It was either Silent Circle or Signal when it was first coming out, and it was literally everybody sitting inside the team room, because you can't bring your phones upstairs. Everybody get on stairs. We're all going to download Signal. That's going to be our new unclass chat for the whole group.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
So if we have to pass anything, movements, training trips, whatever, we'll put it out on Signal. That way we get in real time. It's not just an Apple text communication. These guys have Android and Apple, all the other stuff. So, yeah, I mean, we transitioned over to Signal for a lot of the stuff. I mean, yeah, I mean, you have IT guys making sure everybody's above board.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, there's always issues with it. Who owns Signal? Who owns the backside? All that kind of stuff. Do you trust it?
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I trust it for stuff that me and him are doing. I wouldn't trust it at that level. So what do they use now at that level? I'll be honest, I would have thought there was some proprietary thing that Elon Musk has come up with by now or something. The fact we're just downloading something off a regular app store on that level kind of surprised me, if I'm being honest.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
But I also know a bunch of guys who were... In the Beltway, senators, congressmen, that's how they normally communicate. They just have an unclass, we'll just call it an unclass chat. Me and Cole are texting back and forth, and we just do everything on Signal. That way it's secure.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
We normally text, but I'd probably have 50 Signal chats. From trainings we do, SWAT teams we're going to go train, everything's on a Signal chat.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You've been mine twice.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
All over, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia. Middle East, yeah. East Africa.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
At first glance, you would think it is weird. And then you think about the reality. Are we going to bring his body back to the U.S. and do a John Dillinger where we post up photos of him? They're not going to do that. And if you do that, you end up making him a martyr even more and growing his following even more. Like, look what he sacrificed for the cause. Don't do that.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Like, do you want a tombstone in the U.S.? Do you want some new mecca where all the other crazies kind of go to pay homage to him? I don't. I don't think that benefits anybody. So I think putting him in the ocean is exactly what they should have done.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You can take that one unless you want me to send it. I barely squeak by.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'll tell you what, when you're in, it most certainly feels like that to a certain extent. You know, the brotherhood is real for a little bit. And I feel like. It ebbs and flows. Some years it is so strong. My God, it feels like you can get through anything. And in some days it really feels like it's unraveling.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And I don't know if that's a cultural thing, if that's an age thing, a maturity thing. I think you saw the best of the teams at the height of the G1. And then, you know, I don't want to say around the Obama administration, but kind of towards the tail end of the war, we start talking about pulling out. You really saw a cultural change. And some guys just really weren't on board with it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Your political views do not matter whatsoever. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat. As long as you're not trying to use the military as like a social experiment or trying to decrease funding, that's really where it gets upset because the job and the threat don't ever change. But now you look at pilots. Now they're chopping flight hours. You're not as good as you were five years ago.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Do you still need to be as good as you were five years? Absolutely. The threat doesn't change. So when you see that, it really does take the wind out of your sails a lot because you're sacrificing everything for this one thing. You're like, we need more money. We need more manpower. We need this. You're not getting the support, and the mission set doesn't change.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
But no, I mean, that is the one thing I call it. It echoes the same thing. I know it. I hate when people badmouth the president. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat. That is a dude sitting at the pinnacle of the greatest country in the world, and if you are not supporting him right now, what are you doing? Just stop.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Like, I never heard anybody in that team room ever talk bad about the president, no matter who was in it. Never. I love that. And there was Democrats and Republicans. Yeah. I mean... Everybody's really, really diverse. And at the end of the day, the only thing you can control are the guys inside of this room. That's it. Anything external to that, you're never going to meet him.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You're never going to have a chance to bend his ear, break his will. So it doesn't matter. You can't change the outcome. You can only control what you can control. And that's the only thing you focus on. Focus on the team right now.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
My first introduction was probably Barrett Johnson, who's our third platoon chief. So me and Cole did three deployments to Iraq, back to back to back. And my third platoon chief came over from development group with him. And it was like the second coming of Christ. When he cleared that threshold, I mean, I got goosebumps. I got super emotional. I didn't even shake his hand.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I wrapped my arms around his neck. Like, I've been waiting for you for eight years, dude. Why? What made him so special? He was everything you ever wanted to see. Looked apart, acted apart. He got on the flat range, outshot everybody. When he did CQB, it was the best you've ever seen. His jumping was better than everybody else. He held the standard when you saw it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It was like watching Kobe Bryant on the court. You're like, my God, you have every reason to let your foot off the gas, and you haven't for 20 years. How long can you maintain this? The entire time. He never let his foot off the gas, and it showed everybody who's 19, 20 years old, like you can achieve mastery in this sport if you just keep going. And he did it, man.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
To this day, I'd do anything for that guy, anything. I've had phenomenal leaders. That dude was my first taste of seeing what a pro is, and it changed my entire existence.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Like the average person doesn't know who he is. No, you'd never find this guy. I mean, he's got a historic past. I'd love to be able to sit down to an interview with him. His mindset changed everything. Is that him? That is him. Can you zoom in on the picture, Rob? Is he a big boy? Probably my height. 5'10", 180 pounds.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
He led by example, but he was one of those guys that, I mean, he really embodied, I'm never going to ask you to do anything I haven't done, I'm not currently doing, or I'm not willing to do. And then he did it. Okay. Like you walk into the gym, he's in there before you. He leaves after you. You go to the range, he's already been there.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
all right this guy sees the importance of this because a lot of times if you don't have that example you kind of adopt a nine to five mentality like i show up i do train with everybody else five even in the seals yeah i mean like it's a normal it's a normal job and you wake up five a.m you're doing fitness you're lifting you're fighting you're training you're eating training eating going home rinse and repeat every single day over and over well there's guys that show up earlier and they stay later and they do more polishing and on the weekends they're training they're messing around with kit they're developing new tactics new procedures
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
just trying to make the overall collective better, and I thought he just did it better than anybody else.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'm sure he's doing some consulting now. I was texting him the other week.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Yeah, so he was doing guided hunts for a little bit. That's what the hunt is. Yeah, there it is. Senior chief. 22 years. Yeah, he was at Team 2 with my dad, too. Wow. Wow.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It is. At the end of the day, when you're out there alone... Your political views don't matter. Your religious views don't matter.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Okay. And then your parents start calling you. Wives start saying, I'm seeing this on the news. What's happening? None of that's actually happening.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
There were a couple scenarios under the Trump administration right before I retired. We were spinning up to do a couple things that if they would have went, potentially. Potentially. And I'll be honest, Trump kanked us when we were on the ramp getting ready to go. He solved it, however he does, whatever he does. He called and literally stopped us on a ramp. You vividly remember that? Mm-hmm.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, we spun up to go. We were going to go do the thing and got in midair and got ready to do the whole process, and we got canceled and spun around and came back home.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, potentially, I mean... Could have been an active engagement with a bunch of Russians. Could have been dicey. You just never know.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Huge letdown, huge letdown. You wanted it. Oh, I mean, everybody wants it. Everybody wants to go. And you start to think about the ramifications, like what if this goes south? What if this does spike off the whole thing and now we're stuck here, we can't get back home? What if it does go nuclear? Now everybody's back home and we're stuck here in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it gets dicey.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Jeremy Renner?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Jeremy Renner.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You can chase it the entire time. Be careful what you wish for. You'll eventually find it. But a lot of times they spend their entire career chasing the one thing, and they never stop to, you know, enjoy it. Was this mission to take somebody out?
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I can't get into all the specifics, but, yeah, I mean, it was a lot of people going through international waters that shouldn't have been, potentially possibly carrying some stuff they shouldn't have been. We were going to intervene, and he solved it. which is a good thing and a bad thing, because you want to go to work, you want to do the thing.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Just they literally turn around and like, can't get going back home.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I see that as like a show of force, like how committed we are, how far you're willing to go for the whole thing. No different than the Israelis after Black September. I don't care if it takes a decade. We're going to go the entire way. And I think we've shown that as a country a lot. Take us 10 years, 20 years, we're going to keep going the entire way just because we said we would.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
15.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Then it's what it is. You can go wherever you want to. You can hide as much as you want. Your trade craft can be phenomenal. We just have people that are going to sit in this room all day long, do nothing but hunt you, and we'll find you. That's a superpower that we have. You have people who just sit in a room all day long, do nothing but just pick you apart.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They'll unravel your entire existence right now. It's all they do. And there's endless manpower of them. Us, U.S. Yeah, I mean, anybody we have to go after, any target we have, I mean, there's people, that's all they do. Okay, so let me ask you this question.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
For me personally, I look at it just like Osama bin Laden. Threatened it for a long time, said he was going to attack the homeland, and didn't take it serious. And I think after that, you've got to take every threat serious. You just have to.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Especially now with open borders, there are so many people pouring into this country, and if they want to spin it on and turn it on, they can really, really fast. So I think now, after 9-11, I think everybody is taking every threat serious. At least you should, because they proved it. I mean, we've had to adopt a lot of cultural changes since 9-11 for the good. I think it's made us better overall.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
No, I mean, you can't look at guys like that and just, oh, he won't do that. Well, we've already said that before. We've said that multiple times. We've said that as long as I can remember. We said that through World War II. We said it with Japanese. We said it with everybody. Oh, they won't do that. Yeah, they did. Yes, they did.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They flew his plane straight over here, crashed him into Pearl Harbor, and then kicked off the whole thing. They will. They will do that. So don't underestimate the power of any threats. Especially not threats that have actual money and resources.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Definitely at our level. Definitely at our level than our interagency partners and all our allies, like our closest allies. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah. Yeah. We're all pointing in the exact same direction, which is the source of our strength really is how good our allies are and how much we really do support each other. Got it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
How did you make it work 15 years? I didn't. I married a unicorn. That's the only reason. I was an idealist and I grew up in the SEAL teams. My dad was a SEAL. The only male influence I had my entire life were Navy SEALs and most of them were divorced. And that was just the culture. This thing comes first, you come home, drop off a bag of dirty laundry, grab new clothes and leave again.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It certainly felt like the 90s. I wasn't active duty in the 90s, but I grew up in the 90s. A lot of it was training. You deploy to Germany. You do interagency ops with Poland. All our European counterparts, they do cold weather training in Alaska for six months. Everything was just a big training mission waiting for one big thing to pop.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And now that it has popped and we've seen it, we've come so far tactically, technologically in the last 25 years that I think now we're in such a good spot to defend the nation. And now with our allies, too. I mean, 9-11 was the worst thing that's ever happened to us. But in a lot of ways, if it wouldn't have happened, we'd be in the Stone Age still.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, you look at body armor, AI, just digital communications, everything that had to elevate and grow so fast. If we wouldn't have had 9-11, we wouldn't. We would have stayed the same way. And I look at it like, and this will sound messed up, but if you look at Black Hawk Down, October 3, 1993. look at the gear they're wearing, and then look at when they stepped on the ground in Afghanistan.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Not much change. Same body armor, same carbines, same helmets, nothing really changed because they didn't have a reason to evolve. Now you step foot on Afghanistan, you're like, oh my God, this is not the same. This is very, very different. Then you teleport that same crew in Iraq three years later. Oh, wow. Oh, no. These IEDs are a serious issue right now.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They're detonating them 50 different ways. We can't stay ahead of this. How are we going to do it? Engineers attack this problem over and over and over. EOD, everything you come across, pump us the info. We've got to be able to solve this. And that's what they did. I mean, we think about it. If we only would have hit Afghanistan, no Iraq.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
There are so many lessons we learned from Iraq that if we wouldn't have invaded, we wouldn't have had them. We would not have evolved to where we are right now if we wouldn't have hit them both.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'm not saying we should have hit them both, but I'm saying the benefit of doing them, it really... I mean, the learning curve, tactics, techniques, procedures, just everything, it really, really evolved during the height of the war, and all our allies really benefited from it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And that's exactly what I did. I just, I got really fortunate because my wife was already married to a SEAL. Unfortunately, he was killed. So she'd been through the entire gambit already. And I think that was a lot of my hesitation is I didn't want to stop doing that job. Training's so hard. It's so long. It's so arduous. You don't ever want to leave it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, it's no different if you and me are both professional boxers. You're doing your training camp. I do a secret training camp with some ninjas, and I'm just training in isolation. You have no idea. There's no training footage leaking. You have no idea what I'm doing. I step out, bell rings, and I hit you with something you've never, ever seen before.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Okay, now I have to go back to the drawing board. Now everybody else sees that. I think a lot of this time it sucks, but you're almost in a defensive posture. Like we've prepped for everything we know right now. We have contingencies for the unknowns, and if they happen, this is how we're going to combat it.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It is because, yeah, I mean, it's spy on spy. I mean, you're trained, you're perfecting, advancing as much as you can, but you have to do it in secrecy. And that's where a lot of the general public, they want to know everything you're doing. The Area 51s release all the documents. We want to have full open source to everything the military does. You can't do that.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You shouldn't have any right to do that because if you know it, everybody else knows it. Well, they're doing the exact same thing. Just a lot of time their tradecraft is better. Like they don't have cell phone communications. They just do it in straight isolation. They bring in all the parties from all the other countries and train them up on bomb making and all this other stuff.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Now they're doing isolation. They're not putting out propaganda videos. So you don't know how far ahead they are. You hear rumor mill.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'm questioning it. And I'll be honest, Trump tanked this when we were on the ramp getting ready to go. He solved it, however he does, whatever he does. He called and literally stopped us on the ramp. Who would love to be on those phone calls just to hear what he says? He'd break the internet. I hate when people badmouth the president.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It's like, you know, you're playing professional sports. I don't want to take any time away. As soon as I leave, I can't give you any bandwidth right now because it's not going to help me overseas. You have to start compartmentalizing, and that just builds up a resentment time and time again. And when you come home, you're so stressed out. I mean, two-hand texting. You're in the group chat.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I think if you haven't fought in the war, if you haven't given up your children to fight in the war, I don't really care about your opinion. And I know that sounds bad, but... We've been doing this for a long time. And if I didn't think it was a worthy cause, I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't. And if Trump did a recall right now and I had to slap it all back on, I'd go.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Because I think it's worth it. I watched him for four years avoid all these major conflicts. He is not one of those dudes, some warmonger just trying to push. He's not. If he was, he would have done it. He had every reason to do it. He was the most powerful dude in the world.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
If you wanted to spend your first four years just laying hate and waste to everybody who ever did you wrong, he could have done it. He didn't do it. I watched him be really diplomatic and solve a lot of issues with just a phone call that I hadn't seen before. I mean, my foreign policy is not as good as it probably should be. I mean, there's a lot of backdoor conversations that are happening.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
But at the end of the day, if you say you can't ever do that thing ever again and they continue to do it, at what point are you going to send it going to go the entire way? That's where it gets dangerous. You call their bluff. If you don't release hostages, I'm doing X, Y and Z. They don't release them. Well, now I've kind of painted us all in a corner. And that's where it gets kind of dicey.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Well, you have to go now. You have to go. You have to go. And I don't know what he says on these phone calls to get them to change their mind. I have no idea. But it's working. I mean, he's done it successfully multiple times. I don't want us to go to war. I definitely don't want us to go to war with China, with Russia, with any of these people. But at a certain point, we cannot...
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You can't give them an inch. If you do, it'll take a mile. I think a lot of times, just like Cole said, I mean, we become the blanket of coverage and support for everyone else. And Ukraine's a perfect example. We have to fly over quite a few countries that are really close to Ukraine in order to give them support. And I feel like not a lot of other people are.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You can always hear that like, well, if they take Ukraine, they're just going to keep going. What are you guys going to do about it? Like I shouldn't have to fly from our country over all of your countries and land there and try to solve that for you. We should all be trying to solve it together.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I've got to get ready for this trip. You're missing ballet recitals and anniversaries and birthdays because none of it truly matters at that point because you're trying to lay a foundation. And unfortunately, you realize you're never going to have that foundation you want. You just keep adding layer after layer after layer. And you're never building time for them.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And I feel like we always have to be the big brother to step in first and kind of draw that line in the sand. And it puts a lot of people against us. And then it serves up a lot of hate and discontent inside of the own country. It just does. People don't want to go to war. They want to go to war. They see this. They see that. A lot of times it's a lose-lose.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
So that's why we do talk about dials. You know, if you're brand new, brand new guy gets on the team and you have no external commitments, no wife, no family, no picket fence, no Labrador, I can roll that dial all the way to a 10 and I can be that Kobe Bryant. I can live this one thing at 100% until I do have a rock solid foundation.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, do you think if I'll just ask it over to you. Do you think if Trump was president, Russia would have invaded Ukraine? No, no, not at all. I don't think so either.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It'd break the internet. There's no telling what he's saying, but it's working. What do you imagine he says on these calls?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Then I add in a girlfriend that turns in a fiance, but I have to operate on dials. And for us, we just rolled that whole thing over and never backed it off. Now we just started stacking stuff on top of it. And it's really hard to split your time and focus. And a lot of them, they're just not meant to do it. Guys marry their high school sweethearts.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You stay ready. You ain't got to get ready. Oh, brother, call. I'll throw it on real quick. Real quick.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You've never been apart for two weeks before, and now you're gone for nine months. How do you do that? You love that job so much, you literally just wall it off.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you. Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
All the time. Gone.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, up until a certain point, he was. I mean, when he graduated BUDS, my mom was nine months pregnant with me. So his entire time in the SEAL teams, I was with him. But he's just gone. I mean, I think he did 13 deployments, each one six months long. And there's no break in between. Six-month workup, home for a while, gone, gone, gone. And then all the training trips in between.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Every one's a two- or three-week trip. You're home for two days, geared up, send it again, send it again.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
If you went combined total, less than three months out of the year. Less than three months out of the year you see him. But it still made you want to be a SEAL? That's the only thing you know. And when you come home, you have him, you see all the guys, and you've seen the movie Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen. That was my childhood. That is exactly what I grew up with, and I loved it.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Yeah, short wire, kill the dog, attack one of the kids. No. We've all seen the movie. I don't put a whole lot of faith in that. I mean, that is a serious concern, though. I mean, he has an ungodly amount of money. And if he wanted to build an entire robot army and deploy it, he most certainly could. I mean, you see the same thing with some of the drone stuff now.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They can throw out a couple thousand drones, do these huge parades and all this stuff. All they can do is put a little bit of armament on them. It's a very hard thing to combat. I mean, the robot stuff will scare us, but, I mean, it never came up in conversation. The only thing we're trying to do is solve the human problem. I think it's about to change.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Who was Charlie Sheen? I mean, he was one of the officers, but I mean, just not... Everybody that was in that movie, that represented what the 90s Navy SEALs were like. Drinking, partying, training, deploying just over and over and over again. And it became infectious. I mean, to us, I'd walk right past the Rolling Stones or some high-level athlete just to get near a commando.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, we're not in it anymore, but... They were always talking about the next ridgeline, always. Even when Iraq was brand new, they were always foreshadowing, always looking for the next obstacle that was going to come up. You know, if this happens, these two countries aligned, we'll be dealing with this. You've got a lot of people in the U.S. military that are just looking at future conflicts.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I have no doubt they're trying to actively combat that, but that is not going to be an easy thing to crack, especially, I mean, people with ungodly amounts of money can just do kind of whatever they want to at a certain point. Yeah. If you don't hold them accountable, if you don't make them sign on a dotted line, like you cannot provide this tech to our adversaries.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
If they're not willing to do that, then I think you shouldn't be able to get support from this country.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
They just have such a polarizing presence. You just can't get away from it. So when you grow up with it your whole life, that's the only thing you want to emulate. I just want to look like that. I want the tattoos. I want to look like that. I want to be able to perform like that. And that's just what you chase.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It's sketchy. It's so much easier fighting a human. It just is. It's so much easier fighting a person than it is.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And in marijuana, too.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Yeah. And then you've got the guys chewing the cotton. Africa. What is that right there?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
far as the eye can see there's a bunch of really cool pictures um we didn't hit a bunch of those things there's a ton of photos like green berets neck deep and it just armfuls of like what are we doing they're telling you to burn the entire field you know through kerosene setting the whole thing on fire just get upwind of it and send it are you like you're talking about second hand high at the highest level if you're burning all this stuff
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Everybody's all blasted out. But yeah, I mean, that's what they have to do with it. That's how they make all their money. And they have endless supplies of it. That's how they're funding terrorism.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
90%?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
aircraft engines, batteries, catalytic converters.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Kind of devastating. Just devastating. You got to think, most of the people that joined, think of like the Pat Tillmans of the world, the people who just stopped everything they were doing to pick up arms and serve the nation. That's why you did it. I understand, well, I don't side with those people, the guys that didn't want to get involved with Iraq. I get it.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I think, yeah, because a lot of the guys, you know, Cole married one of his high school sweethearts, too. She's never been exposed to it. So when you get in around those people, they knew you when you were in high school. They knew you when you were 21 years old. Now you leave for four or five years. You rekindle that marriage and you are a completely different person.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You can't tell me the same thing for Afghanistan. You can't. When we went there, I mean, me and Cole, I'll say we got stuck in Iraq for three rotations. I wanted to go to Afghanistan so bad I could taste it. I know he did, too. It was like that felt like that's where you're supposed to be. Why is that? Because you flew planes into the Trade Center, killed thousands of our people. That's why.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It's like we're going to get vengeance for nothing else. I'll be honest. I'm not there to liberate anybody. I'm only there to get even. That's it. It's the only reason I'm there. And then when you pull out, you think about all the people that sacrificed their lives for that entire war. That's the way you're going to pull out? We've already seen it before. We saw it with Vietnam.
PBD Podcast
“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
We've done this before. We should have done this much, much better. It may just seem like all for nothing. I don't know.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, you ever see the documentary Restrepo? You should watch it. What's it called? Restrepo. I believe it's an army unit top of, I think it's in a corn gall, just a nightmare, but it documents the entire deployment. When we pulled out, You should definitely watch it. You'd love it. Really, really good. I'm going to watch it tonight.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
When they pulled out, the Taliban released them inside of that camp, running on the treadmills, living in their beds. We just left everything. All the technology. Why? You don't think they can fly a C-130? Of course they can. They'll figure it out.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Yeah. I mean, I don't know, man. When you come back from Vietnam, you see them pushing the Hueys off the edge of the ship. Like, it costs too much to ferry them back. We're just going to sink them all. Why are we not just blowing all that stuff in place? I get it. Math, it costs too much money to fly them all back here. We have too much in reserve. It's cool.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Why are we not blowing them all up or selling them to the Allies? You're just going to leave them all for them? That makes no sense to me. Why do you think we didn't? I have no idea. A shitty plan? I'm a very logical person. Logically, it makes no sense. You left them all the armor, all the weapons, all the night vision, everything that makes us superior, you gave it to them. Why?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
your mannerisms the way the way you carry yourself the people you associate with everything else is different and they don't know how it happened and a lot of them they don't see it until it's too late like now we are married this is not the guy he was in high school he can't be you can't be because the job you have you have to elevate and you have to transform you can't be that same guy and do that job at 100 there's no way it takes too much
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I mean, we've been training thousands of these guys. I mean, there's some serious forces in Afghanistan we've been building the last 20 years, and you just left them there. What's going to happen? They all get killed. Taliban knows who they are. They just wiped them all off the face of the earth. Just what they do. That's why they were such a big push.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You saw a bunch of SF guys who were going back to Afghanistan to try to pull these families out, the interpreters and all that. It's because we dumped so much time and energy into them. They were trying to make their country better, and now we just left them. That's not going to work, and it didn't. To me, it was very disheartening to see that whole thing happen.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I hope it ends soon. I think if anybody's going to end it soon, Trump will. I don't think, if he doesn't get it solved by mid-year, it's not a good sign. If we get into the summer months and this thing still is going on,
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Wishful thinking.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Are you talking about a high level? At a high level. At your level. I'm sure a lot of guys are. I mean, the media puts such a twist on things that when you're over there, a lot of times it ruins your confidence. If you listen to what they're saying. A lot of times it makes you think you're there for the wrong reason.
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What do you tell them?
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'll just say it because we cut our teeth in Iraq, and those are some rough deployments. I never once heard anything outside of WMDs until it was too late. I didn't care. We started talking about oil, and I don't care about any of that. None of that matters to me. It doesn't stop that IED from going off. It doesn't matter. It doesn't put a tourniquet on that guy when he gets shot.
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I don't care why we're here. It doesn't matter because I'm here. I can't leave. So it doesn't matter to me. your political views, I don't care. You're not going to come over here and do it for me. So right now, everything you're saying, it's just, it's really making me second question what I'm doing. And that flag isn't to be second questioned. I'm here for that.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I tell them don't get married until you've done at least four years. Optimally, you've done eight years. Four of those completely single, just isolating, polishing your craft. Now you find her, you test her out, meaning you make her do a couple deployments as your fiance. That way, if it doesn't work, there's no divorce. There's no strain on the force.
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Just I take it for someone who just, you know, put yourself in Bush's scenario, you know, reading books to a couple elementary school kids. The next thing you know, they tap you on the shoulder and say they're flying planes in the World Trade Center. Now you have to act. Now you have to go. And then you have, I'll just call Saddam a psycho.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Known for killing thousands and thousands of people saying he has this. Are you going to question him? That was my justification. Like if he says he has him, better go find out whether he had him or not. Personally, with the information I had at the time, I didn't second question anything. Say we got to go. We got to go. But I also said that the entire time. If.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
If it would have been some random country, if it would have been Dearborn, Michigan, we would have said the entire thing. It's inside the U.S. The entire city has gone corrupt. We have to invade and take it all over. I wouldn't have batted an eye. If they're all a terrorist organization, same thing with the cartel. Okay, let's go. I don't have time to second question it. It doesn't matter to me.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
At a certain point, it can. I'm not there. I'm not a policymaker. It's not what I do.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I do the same thing. I'll go out and I'll do talks for SWAT teams and performance teams, and I was talking to NHL guys not too long ago, and I was talking about the level of loyalty it takes to really commit to a team. Nothing else matters. Just the 25 guys inside this room. One of the guys kind of spoke up, and he's like, it's hard when you can be drafted at any moment. I get it.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Same thing for us. We'd be kicked off that team tomorrow. You'd be switched positions. You can get pulled out. It's the same thing. I would just tell you to lean in and give them that loyalty because they're giving you the opportunity to showcase your craft. You're not playing for any other team. And the moment you do, they get the full loyalty.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
So as long as I'm wearing this, I'm fully bought in my individual hopes, dreams, wants, and wishes don't really matter. Not above that.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I'd say that transition is so much harder than everybody makes it seem. You get these guys that get out and like, Oh my God, when you get out, every job is going to pay you 350 grand a year. They're, they just want you to sit around. They're just going to pay you because of who you, and then people get out and those jobs aren't there. That's not a real thing.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And then you've left the only thing you've known. The only thing you've ever loved, you've left it. And on a Tuesday you were out of the group chat. There's no email. There's no body armor to put on. There's no one who needs you really. and you haven't built a relationship with your family, now you're stuck with them. I use Tom Braden's example. Tom Brady's a Navy SEAL.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You did that one thing at full capacity the entire time. The moment you left it, you're like, I can't leave it. She's like, you have to leave. You have to retire. Nope. Gets a divorce. Can't do it. Can't get off the train. Cannot do it. If you don't think Tom Brady laid in a fetal position and cried after he fully retired, I promise you he did. Everybody does it.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Some of the darkest moments have just been just leaving it in the moment you're out in it. Man, I don't know how to do anything else. I feel like I'm empty. I don't have anything. That's what we talk about when I tell guys now. My physical fitness, my mental health are really at the forefront of my priorities.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I wake up in the morning, and that's what I knock out first because that gives me the bandwidth to take on everything else throughout the day. I feel like a lot of people lose that. They leave the military. You've been on the same structured routine. I don't care if you're on an 82nd Airborne or whatever. Some SF team, a SWAT team, you've been doing the same thing the entire time.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You wake up, you all do PT, you eat breakfast, you go upstairs, meeting, training, deploying, blah, blah, blah. It's the same thing. If you just keep that first morning routine the same, it feels so familiar that now between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m., you can do whatever you need to now because my first morning, it feels so repetitive. It feels like I've been doing it my entire life.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
I wake up the exact same time I did when I was in. I do the same fitness, hang around the same people, same protein shake, same 20-minute walk, same everything. So the first part of my morning, it feels like I'm still on the team. I mean, we're surrounded by nothing but team guys now. It feels the same. What percentage of your employees are former vets? With training, former vets.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Training cadre, I mean, they're all team guys.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
That's what happened to me, dude. What happened with MySpace? Same thing. I was dating my high school girlfriend, went over to Iraq. I'm 19 years old. We're stormtrooping through Baghdad doing the whole thing. And I didn't even have an email account at the time. I mean, I set up a hotmail in 2005 when we were over in Iraq. And then MySpace popped up, made a little profile. Nobody knows what it is.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Well, it depends because we got medically retired. That becomes an issue that no one ever gets you prepped for. So we'll say, you know, E7 and the SEAL teams, I'll say you make 90 grand a year, everything all in. As soon as you start that medical retirement board, they take away all your special pays, dive pay, jump pay, demo pay, hazardous duty, AIP. You lose it all.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And depending on how messed up you are and how long that whole process takes, Thank you. Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
The social media is not even a thing yet. You type in different names. I type my sister's name. It pops up. Type in random people's names. They pop up. I type my girlfriend's name. Hit enter. It pops up. She's got a profile. I'm like, oh, this is cool. It's got a little bio. Like, this is my name. I'm crazy in love with my boyfriend. His name's Brian. I'm like, my name ain't Brian.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Like, looking around, I'm like, what is this? You're joking. No. The whole thing. She'd been dating a guy living in my house the entire time I was in school. Stop it. Oh, no. Really. So what do you do? Call them. Better pack your shit and get out of my house right now. Never talk to you again. But it's the same thing. They'll start complaining about the deployment cycle being gone.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
Thank you.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You're not making enough time for me. I can't. I don't have Wi-Fi. And then it just becomes a huge burden, a huge mental taxation. It's like, is this improving my performance overseas? No. Well, I got to get rid of you. Get away. Or you marry a unicorn like my wife, who's just an absolute gangster. She gets it. And... I can count the times on one hand.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
It is. And you really saw in the old school guard, you know, I say the wives that really cut their teeth during GWAT during the early days, no support, brand new in the war. We didn't know what was going on. Deployment cycles just kept increasing over and over. So you've got this batch of, you know, a couple hundred wives that are really, really bought in.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
And then you get this new generation starts to spill in and they've never seen it before. It's really nice to be able to bounce it off. So you check in as a brand new guy and you've got your platoon chief with seven deployments and he's got his wife who's done nine total. She's like, this is what it is. He's never going to tell you what it's really like. This is what it is.
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“I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573
You are on your own the entire time. Did you ever meet Brian? I didn't meet Brian, but I did. Yeah. Well, I've talked about that off camera. Yeah. Played a little prank on Brian.