Deborah Oles
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Podcast Appearances
Rod Copland calls 911 and says that his wife appears dead. He said that Anna found her in the bathtub.
Rod Copland calls 911 and says that his wife appears dead. He said that Anna found her in the bathtub.
He was adamant about his innocence. They just don't have direct evidence.
He was adamant about his innocence. They just don't have direct evidence.
He was very charming, intelligent, funny in a quirky sort of way, and I really enjoyed playing backgammon with him.
He was very charming, intelligent, funny in a quirky sort of way, and I really enjoyed playing backgammon with him.
Months later, their relationship became romantic. I wasn't looking for any sort of relationship. And he was pretty aggressive. And I think I was naive in the fact that I'm considerably older than Rod. So it never occurred to me that he would be interested in me in that way.
Months later, their relationship became romantic. I wasn't looking for any sort of relationship. And he was pretty aggressive. And I think I was naive in the fact that I'm considerably older than Rod. So it never occurred to me that he would be interested in me in that way.
Right, and of course it made me feel good, you know, a younger man being attracted to me.
Right, and of course it made me feel good, you know, a younger man being attracted to me.
Terrifying. I had to look at him one time, once, just to point him out and say that's who he is.
Terrifying. I had to look at him one time, once, just to point him out and say that's who he is.
He told me that his wife had an accident and died. My very first thought was, That's a really weird coincidence and timing. And that really basically solves all his problems. But then I felt guilty about thinking that because he said it was an accident. And then the paper said it was an accident.
He told me that his wife had an accident and died. My very first thought was, That's a really weird coincidence and timing. And that really basically solves all his problems. But then I felt guilty about thinking that because he said it was an accident. And then the paper said it was an accident.
Right. But then he was very adamant about his innocence, always.
Right. But then he was very adamant about his innocence, always.
I answered all their questions and offered to give them a copy of the games, the Gregeman games that we played, so they'd have exact times that we played. Man, that was it. Did they tell you why they were there? They thought he was guilty. They said he was a really bad person and... I didn't believe them at the time. You had gotten to know him pretty well at this point, too. Right.
I answered all their questions and offered to give them a copy of the games, the Gregeman games that we played, so they'd have exact times that we played. Man, that was it. Did they tell you why they were there? They thought he was guilty. They said he was a really bad person and... I didn't believe them at the time. You had gotten to know him pretty well at this point, too. Right.