Debbie Lerman
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
That's brilliant. And thank you, Drew.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Hi, thanks, Dr. Drew. I'm so excited to be here.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Yeah. I don't know if I was suited for that. I kind of feel like the circumstances chose me because when COVID happened in March 2020, when the response started, the lockdowns and stuff, I was lucky enough to be someone who doesn't get too panicky about things. And also because of my background as a medical writer, I'm familiar. I'm not afraid to read medical documents, studies, and statistics.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And in addition to that, my husband is a doctor, so he's a good reference for me. So when everything started, I just started looking at the scientific literature and the numbers. I'm not on social media and I don't watch any news. So I get my news. I used to get my news from the New York Times and NPR. And now I get it from Substack.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Yeah, thanks. I'm really, thank you very much. I'm really excited about that. I'm not on X. I feel like for me, social media is counterproductive in terms of attention sucking. I also think it's not necessarily a constructive way to have dialogue. but I completely appreciate the reach and the audience. So I was not going on that.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
First source material. And so it was clear from the very beginning that there was no big emergency and that everything that was happening was wrong. medically and scientifically, and in terms of public health. Because the first rule of public health is calm people down. That just makes sense. That's the absolute first rule in any person in public health before COVID will have told you that.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Now only the ethical people will tell you that. So first you calm people down, then you figure out what's going on, and then you find the least disruptive way to deal with the outbreak. And as we know, none of those things were done.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Do no harm. Yes, correct. And so, unfortunately, what happened was mass panic occurred. And I realized pretty quickly because I was listening to the NPR and reading the New York Times that the media was playing a very large role in that.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And that was very scary to me because sources that I had relied on to be neutral and to be, you know, to do their research and to be scientifically reliable were not.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And then the other thing that scared me a lot was that all my friends and family were panicking and not just panicking, but losing their minds as far as I was concerned in terms of accepting every edict that came down, not questioning anything like the masks and the social distancing and the lockdowns and later the vaccine mandates.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And when I tried to question these things, because I used to be a very liberal Democrat type, the answers that I would get, which would be maybe more than anything, would be, I would say, can you believe these mask mandates? You know that in medical school, my husband in his first year learned that masks don't help against respiratory viruses. And they would say to me, are you a Trumpist?
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So they were responding to my medical and scientific questioning with some kind of political rejoinder. And having known me all my life and knowing that I was a liberal Democrat, they were asking me absurd questions that also had nothing to do with the situation. And so that's what really sent me into a tailspin.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And so for a while, I just was following the numbers and following a few scientists online and looking at studies. And eventually that led me to the Great Barrington Declaration and to Brownstone, which is one of the only platforms where people could publish true information about COVID. And then I started writing for Brownstone.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And that's when I started going down those rabbit holes that you mentioned.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I feel like I haven't changed my points of view at all. The only thing that I've changed is the groups that I identify with because the group I used to identify with does not share those values. So my values and my points of view are the same, which are science-based, fact-based, free speech-based, bodily autonomy-based, all the things that I've always believed in as a liberal Democrat.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But when all the liberal Democrats started believing...
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
It's extremely disorienting. And for me, it was very destabilizing in my life. I really felt like I was losing my mind. But as I found a new community of people coming from all sides of the political spectrum who really were just trying to find the truth, I felt that's what's been supporting me and sustaining me and trying to reach people.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
on all sides and try to get the truth out because the other thing that was extremely frightening and still is, is the level of propaganda and censorship that we are being subjected to, which is very coordinated
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So I guess I'll start with a document that I wrote about and that I think that was the article that Sasha sent to you about the government's pandemic planning. Because when I tried to figure out what was happening and why it was happening, I said, well, there must be a plan. And I wonder if they're following it because it sure doesn't seem like they're following a public health plan.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So what is the plan? And so then I started just researching documents and looking at all the government pandemic plans starting, you know, 20, 30 years ago. And I encountered a parallel planning sort of channel, which was the biodefense planning. And biodefense is... planning for a biological terror attack or for bio warfare.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And what I noticed was a convergence of the biodefense planning with the pandemic, the public health pandemic plans, which converged in COVID. And so there is a document called the pandemic crisis action plan pan cap. There's a version, it gets updated every few years and it's just, what's the government they're going to do in the case of a pandemic.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And there's a version called the PanCap Adapted, which is adapted for COVID. And in that action plan, which is not available anywhere, even though it is the official government, the U.S. government's COVID plan, it says so at the top of the document. The only place it's available is on the New York Times servers, where I think they mistakenly left it after it was leaked to them.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And they wrote a little article about it in March 2020. or April of 2020. But it really isn't available anywhere else, and nobody knows about it. And it says, among other things, that the policy for the COVID pandemic response is set by, not by HHS, not by CDC, not by Tony Fauci. It's the National Security Council. And the National Security Council is the body that advises the president on
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
terrorism and wars. Interestingly, if you look at the website of the National Security Council today, you will see that they have added health security and climate security and every other kind of security to the kinds of things that the National Security Council is possibly going to deal with.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But before COVID, and for the entire history of the National Security Council before COVID, they were supposed to deal with wars and terrorism. And and national security in a military sense. So they were in charge of policy.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Now, when you asked about the communications, the very interesting thing about that is that in the pandemic crisis action plan adapted, it says that even though the Health and Human Services, which is the umbrella public health department, is supposed to be in charge of the pandemic response, actually they're not in charge of the pandemic response.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And in terms of communications, even though the CDC is supposed to be in charge of communications, All communications have to go through the office of the vice president, which was where the national security was housed and the task force, the government's COVID task force, which was the national security was a part, the national security council was a part of.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So even the communications that we thought we were getting from the CDC. I mean, they were coming from the mouthpieces and the spokespeople of the CDC and the HHS and NIAID, which is Fauci. The actual policies that they were saying, like masking, social distancing, lockdowns, and all of that was not coming from them. They did not make that up.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
It came from the National Security Council and the task force. I know it sounds complicated and bureaucratic because that's part of the problem, but it's extremely important to understand that the entire pandemic response policy did not come from public health agencies.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So in my opinion, it was all pre-planned. But because it involves classified agencies... like the National Security Council, you can't FOIA them. And obviously their material is not in the public record. It's very hard to find what people would consider a smoking gun when they said, okay, we're taking over. You know, the pan cafe is the closest thing that I have.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But there's another very interesting data point that applies to what you're asking. And that is that in January 2020, when nobody knew or cared about this except for China and when there was some fear porn from China with people dropping down in the street, which we obviously know is fake because people never drop down dead in the street from COVID. That doesn't even happen.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But aside from that, nobody was very worried and everybody around the world was saying, this is not bad. It only affects old and sick people. Everybody else will be fine. But already back then, the meetings within the White House and within the planning sort of agencies got classified. They moved the COVID planning meetings into a room.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I forget the name of it now, but it's the room that they use in case of biological, chemical, or nuclear warfare. So whatever they were talking about in January about the plans, for the pandemic is classified. And then when we get the plans, they tell us that these are public health plans.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And we have no idea of knowing what they were talking about back in January 2020, which is when they obviously started rolling out the pandemic response plan. I've also found- When we move-
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
That's a good question. Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know because my research all has to do with how the pandemic plan was rolled out and what happened afterwards.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
starting when they shifted from the public health approach which was it's okay don't worry about it to the panic we have to lock everything down we have to put on five masks and close shut down schools for two years in my opinion and this is just an opinion if Biden had come into office and said okay it's over You know, whatever was happening, we've had the waves.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
We've had everybody's been most people have been exposed. You know, we have some really good treatments that we can use. We don't need to wait for the vaccine. We can open everything up. I think he would have been a hero. And I think that that would have been the correct behavior. The fact that the Biden administration didn't just continue to
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
with the lockdowns, but doubled down on them and then enacted the vaccine mandates, which were probably the most egregious of all the pandemic response policies, tells me that they were continuing with the same plan. And that plan, by the way, I call lockdown until vaccine. So you lock everything down and you wait for the vaccine.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I wish I remembered my train of thought. I don't remember what I was saying there.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Wow. So the most astonishing and scary actually relates to what your previous guest was talking about. And what she was talking about, the globalism that she was talking about, what I have found is that the response in almost every country around the world, particularly NATO countries and U.S. allies, was identical.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And that is extremely frightening because in every single country, what happened was they started out saying, it's okay, it's fine, it's not a big deal, only old people and sick people get it. Okay, that's the first thing. Then they, on a particular date in the United States, and I think very, very specifically chosen dates, they pivoted to the lockdown until vaccine plan.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And that happened in every single country at this, almost at the same time and in the same way. And I found indications and, and
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I haven't done research about every country, and I wish that there were researchers in every country who would do parallel research to what I'm doing, but that bodies that were affiliated with national security took over the response in many countries, just like the National Security Council.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And I have to add, it was also the Department of Homeland Security because HHS was actually replaced by FEMA, which is under the Department of Homeland Security's as the lead federal agency for pandemic response. So the scariest thing for me is that it wasn't just a national response, it was a global response, it was a coordinated response, and it was a non-public health response.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And so what I came to was the same conclusion that Lisa came to, which is that there are global planning bodies that actually have more power than national governments. To me, that's really scary.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
It's complicated. I actually wrote two Substack posts that are very long and very comprehensive about what I think is going on. So I'll try to summarize. So it's everything you said. So it's a huge bureaucracy. It's Bill Gates and people like that. You have to envision what happened at the end of the Cold War. and with the war on terror.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So those two things kind of happened a little bit simultaneously. And what happened was there wasn't any more opposition to capitalism, or if people don't like to say capitalism, you can say corporatism, because it's not like true capitalism in the ideal sense. So global corporatism, where corporations joined with global governing bodies like the UN, like the WEF, like
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
the WHO, and created NGOs and created nonprofits that just like Lisa described, once the ball got rolling and all of these things started working together and what their goal is, is to sustain themselves and to suck resources and capital out of the world. So out of us. and into their sort of coffers or hands.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And you can say that they're evil, and I'm sure that there are people who I would consider evil who are involved in it. There are people who have inordinate amounts of power, like Bill Gates and other multibillionaires who have more, they have more power than national governments. And if they decide that they're going to support an agenda,
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
They can buy every major academic institution in that area, for instance, in public health, and that academic institution is now doing whatever Bill Gates wants them to do. They're publishing the papers that he wants, and their studies are coming to the conclusions that he wants.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
and he can fund the WHO, and he can fund the vaccine organizations that are supposed to be giving vaccines to developing countries, and he can also fund the studies that show how great vaccines are, and he can fund the scientists, and so So that's the pernicious part of it.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I find it unhelpful necessarily to attribute evil motives or non-evil motives, which I'm sure exist in some people and some people they don't. But what is more scary than one person with evil motives is a huge structure that's been created on a global scale. whose job it is to just sustain itself and suck resources out of the world.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And as Toby Rogers, who is a popular Substacker and also a Brownstone writer and contributor says, once the empire, so the United States and its allies were done colonizing the rest of the world, and sucking resources out of the rest of the world. I guess they're still doing that. And they have new and interesting ways of doing that.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
They turned inward and they started, and our bodies became the next territory that they want to conquer, which means, you know, forcing us to accept all kinds of medical interventions, also giving up our data.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
our medical information and our data, which is extremely important to them, which is why vaccine passports and universal digital IDs and things like that are being pushed very, very hard now all around the world.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Yeah, that's really interesting. Because I'm not a religious person, I definitely do refer to the Bible as more of a literary and historic, not historical per se document, but a very old and meaningful document.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly right. And that helps. It helps to know that we've been here before and we'll be here again. And as they say on Battlestar Galactica, all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But when I am lying awake at night, which I often am, thinking about these things, I think about what Matthias Desmet said to us at the conference about at the Brownstone Conference, which is that it's about love and it's about human connection. And that's what I try to focus on when I get really, really upset about what's happening.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
On the other hand, like you said, I think it's very important to understand what's happening. And I think I'm very grateful that COVID happened. And I think it was possibly a mistake on the side of the globalist endeavor because I think it woke a lot of people like me up. I had no idea what was going on. And it made us all more aware. It made us all more cautious.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
It made us all go out like Lisa and try to get everybody to understand what's going on. The person who has helped me to understand that the best is CJ Hopkins. I don't know if you know him. He's an American... He would be a good guest. He's an American... a dramatist and satirist and political commentator who has been charged in Germany, which is one of the worst perpetrators.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Well, he wrote a book about COVID, about the totalitarian nature of the COVID response in Germany. And the cover had a medical mask with a little bit of a swastika pushing through. And so they said it was Nazi. And, you know, and of course he was acquitted and then everybody thought it was fine, but then he was hauled in again. And then he lost on appeal, which is astonishing.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But what he talks about and what has been very helpful to me to understand is is what he calls globocap, which is global capitalism, which you can also call global corporatism if you want, which is that it's just this monster and this sort of whose job is to self-perpetuate itself and suck up resources and control in the world.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And so it helps because you're not just focused on Fauci or Bill Gates or Trump. You know, we can focus on those people and we can try to, I don't know, bring them to justice or something. I'm not sure if that's the best use of our resources and our attention because people tend to want to focus on who did it, who are the people, give me the names, you know, show me the faces.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And the point that CJ Hopkins makes and that I agree with is that it doesn't matter if you took Fauci away, there would be somebody else. And if you took Bill Gates away, there are 100 other multibillionaires who are standing in line and who are actually colluding to do the same thing. So what we need to do is make people aware.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
But in addition to that, while I was listening to your conversation with Lisa, I was thinking about what's called the professional managerial class. And those are the people like me who are college-educated,
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
who have white collar jobs, who are professors and doctors and lawyers and business people, who all support the global agenda, because as Lisa was explaining, that's where their bread is buttered. Now, if that global agenda can be shown to them in some way, and I'm not sure it's possible, but this is where I think we can possibly make some inroads to actually be harmful to them and their families.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So for instance, vaccine injuries. if it can be shown that this agenda actually is not taking their best interests, does not have their best interests at heart, and that the One Health agenda, which involves these vaccines and which involves all kinds of really crazy,
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
activities in terms of centralizing food production and destroying small farms and local food producers, to name just a few things, and all kinds of climate change responses that are not only ineffective but also harmful, same as the COVID response. So if people like that can be made aware of the harms of the agenda that they are supporting, That it's harmful to them personally.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
It has to be personal, I think. That their kid was vaccine injured in terms of DEI and in terms of gender issues. If their child was allowed to mutilate themselves as a minor without the parents knowing or over the parents' wishes. That's when I think people might either wake up or start questioning. I don't know. What do you think?
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
I guess I want to end on an optimistic note, but am I allowed to end on a cautionary note?
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
So here's a rabbit hole for you to contemplate. The biggest, I think the biggest...
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
obstacle to us is that not only is it the big the bureaucracy and the global structures but what's supporting those global structures are the military industrial complex um of the united states and uh united states allies and the problem with the military industrial complex is that um it operate first of all it it takes all of our money uh and and sucks all of our resources and
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And it's still bureaucracy, I guess, but it's not even bureaucracy. It's not transparent bureaucracy. And it is also engaged in all kinds of non-nefarious activities and secret activities. And the intelligence community is heavily involved in everything related to censorship. It was heavily involved in the COVID response.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
And so when we think about what to do, if we can't dismantle those giant bureaucracies, if you want to call them that, It's going to be really hard, but I will return to your message and Matthias' message and my message, which is local and community and love.
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Pre-Election Day Counter-Programming w/ Lisa Miron & Debbie Lerman (2023 Brownstone Fellow) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 420
Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Drew.