David Pierce

Hello and welcome to The Verge Cast, the flagship podcast of WebObjects.

I'm your friend David Pierce, and today on the show we're talking about Steve Jobs, and specifically a new book about the time between when Steve Jobs was essentially run out of Apple and the time he triumphantly rejoined and took off in one of the great runs in tech history.

That middle period doesn't get talked a lot about, and it's pretty fascinating.

But first, here's a look at everything else happening on The Verge today.

It's 90 Seconds on The Verge for Tuesday, June 9th, 2026.

It's the day after Apple's WWDC keynote, so of course we are deep in all of the OS 27 developer betas.

But so far so good on these.

The liquid glass changes seem to be good and sane design choices.

I love a good opacity slider.

And the fact that app corners now work on a Mac, huge win.

A few people are starting to get access to the new Siri AI and seem to be saying mostly good things about it even just as a conversational tool.

But we're still waiting for developers to integrate with Siri and the new shortcuts and all of the other Apple intelligence stuff before this rolls out this fall.

Meanwhile, Verge contributor Lawrence Ulrich got a ride in the Rivian R2 and seemed to have a pretty good time.

The R2, of course, is the cheaper, smaller EV from Rivian, and it seems to be just as peppy and fun to drive as you would want it to be.

It's just not quite as, you know, powerful and sort of road owning as the R1.

But I think for a lot of people, that'll be a good thing.

We got two great game announcements from this morning's Nintendo Direct.

The first is The Legend of Zelda The Ocarina of Time is getting a remake for the Nintendo Switch 2.

As a Switch 2 owner and an Ocarina of Time fan, this is huge news for me personally.

Also, Kingdom Hearts 4, the first Kingdom Hearts game since 2019, is coming.