David Gborie
Appearances
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
You're right.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah. Much, much stupider.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I was going to say, it seems a lot more like you have that at work. You have that at work? Anywhere, right?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
And that's like an empowering feeling, right? Yes, yes, yeah. That's like a great way to bond. I think it's any group, right? I mean, we see entertainers. Your friend group has in jokes, right? Sports. The beehive could kill people, right? Exactly, yes, yes.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
That's a good one. That's a good enough one. That's better than what we got. Honestly, vastly superior than where we are. Of all the entertainers, I feel like, why don't we start giving athletes a shot at government?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Is that like to qualify for state?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I was going to say, I've been to so many different concerts of weird niche stuff where you're like, maybe the Disco Biscuits is a cult. I don't know. Mm-hmm.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I mean, what are you going to do with all that charisma? You got to put it somewhere, you know?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
That would be a good one.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Who's that guy who had the game? Oh, God, yes. You know who I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yes. So that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. You have this... broader subculture of self-help and a cult synonym comes out of it you know and i get it it's like the subculture it's already it's intimate you feel closer to those people than anybody else it definitely feels yes right for manipulation and scientology is a cult that comes out of the exact same subculture
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
And so – So does that mean like – So maybe like more, I'm just curious, like more broader cultural waves have never led. There's like the Swifties would not be a cult. No, no. There's most likely not going to be an offshoot of the Swifties that becomes a cult because it's so broad. It has to have already been kind of a smaller subset. That's interesting.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I just want a president who's good in the paint. You know what I mean?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Oh, buddy. Yeah. We're being run currently by someone who is seen as a magic man to many. Cults all the way down. Yes, exactly.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah, that's exactly what I think. What an amazing man.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah. Yeah. I think if I can reflect on my own personal life. Yeah. You meet a lot of guys who are just like, I'll die for the skate park or whatever thing. Yeah.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Whatever makes you feel a sense of home, I guess.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I think people forget fan is short for fanatic.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah, bring it on. I think he's such a good man, he wouldn't do it. Yeah, exactly.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Right. It was enough. Built up an immunity.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
And now you're like, hey, I know what that is.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Armchair quarterback. Backseat driver.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I just have an opinion.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Jose Canseco in a heartbeat. So funny.
Behind the Bastards
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No hockey players. That's probably fair.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
That's probably fair. And we don't need somebody who likes to fist fight that much.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
That's the worst sentence I've ever heard. Yeah, it sucks. I...
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
He could get stuff done.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
This is Pete. It's the good stuff.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
He holds himself as kind of like a deity. He kind of deifies himself on top of this.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Okay, so the retraining of yourself in order to make the world better. Exactly, exactly. Okay.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Is he drawing people to him physically or this is also all?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
What Bay Area city? I'm a Bay Area guy. San Fran. San Fran. Oh, in the city?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Oh, OK. So this is like. Yes. I wonder what neighborhood feels like.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Is that ever a good thing when a big group of people move to boats? No. David, absolutely not. No. It feels like it never boats well.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
It's for fun.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Or a lot of times just a harbor, like a houseboat.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
If you want to be like a poop-the-bed alcoholic, a houseboat is the place for that.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Romance, you know?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
They know some stuff you don't know.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Shit's going on under the bridge. That's an echo chamber you want to be a part of.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Are they actively, because you said the leader was not, are these people now actively working within AI or are they just talking about it?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I don't see there's so many other factors.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah. That's the point. You have no it. It doesn't matter what you do. There's no autonomy in that. Right.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
That's what they all came up with as the supreme answer for this question?
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Self-described.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Oh, boy. Y'all...
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
This is stupid. This is all nuts.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
This is why you leave it at the cocktail party.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
This isn't how thinking works. You make every decision.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
There's a lot of assholes who use this term, but you got to go touch grass, man.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
We have covered a lot of ground. I did forget there was also going to be murder.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
And so to them- Do they have a time limit on it? Or do they have like a, do they have a, like- Is there any timing on it or is it just kind of like- Again, man, it's the rapture.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
You know, you could be amongst us already. Yeah.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I seem to be this guy, but I think this is why people need to get beat up sometimes.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Starting to make sense, huh? This is a head fuck. That's so funny. Uh-huh. Oh, no. Yeah. Because like this whole time I've really been only thinking about it in theory, not like practical application because it's so insane, but oh no.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah. Makes total sense. I have trouble saying right because it's so nuts.
Behind the Bastards
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Yeah, I mean, I'm behaving that way practically day to day. I don't think it would even take long. No. Right? You could fuck your shit up in a month just living like that.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
They're still debating everything online.
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It's funny how they invent this new thing and how quickly it goes into like traditional Judeo-Christian ideology. Like they're going to hell now? It is very funny.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I'm not familiar with this at all.
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Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Brother, find me somebody who doesn't feel that way. Mm-hmm.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Come on, man.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I believe that that's exactly how these people talk about themselves.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
This is a wild ride.
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fanfic is a massive, much longer than the first Harry Potter book rewrite of just the first Harry Potter book where Harry is- Wait, someone rewrote the Sorcerer's Stone to be a rational- Does nobody have anywhere to go ever? Does nobody ever go anywhere anymore?
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
So this isn't like a, this isn't, we're laughing, but this isn't. This is not a joke to them. Yeah, this is a fairly seriously sized movement. It's not 150 people online.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Right, right, right. That's good, you know? One of the most effective tools I've ever used.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
They're too smart to work.
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Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
But it's not as sexy like I live in Denver. We were dealing with our own right wing immigration propaganda at that time.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
They want to, now they want to make, because before it would just, it would sort of just come about and then they would, but now it's like,
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
You know, start a coin that makes a lot more sense.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
I got to say, it is impressive the amount of time you would have to mull all this over to come to these conclusions, right?
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Yeah, it's incredible.
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The more you talk about this, it kind of feels like six people is a steal for how this could have gone.
Behind the Bastards
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You gotta throw some spice in there. You gotta have like a Latin country. That's what they get excited about.
Behind the Bastards
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I was just about to say, based on the breakdown you gave earlier, how could this? This is the perfect breeding ground. Yeah.
Behind the Bastards
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Yeah. Yeah. Definitely, definitely. Even New Mexico could be.
Behind the Bastards
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Oh, man. You had said that this was going to be a weird one. I was like, yeah, it would be kind of weird. This is really the strangest thing I've ever heard this much about.
Behind the Bastards
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I do. I have a podcast called My Mama Told Me. I do it with Langston Kerman. And every week we have different guests on to discuss different black conspiracy theories. And kind of like folklore and stuff. All kinds of stuff. All kinds of stuff your foreign mother told you. It's usually foreign mothers.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult
Yeah, this is a very niche group. This is a very strange story.
Behind the Bastards
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And that's a group of people who could not meet each other without the invention of the internet. Right.
Behind the Bastards
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Oh, man, I cannot complain. How are you doing? There's nothing going on in the world. Everything's fine. Yeah.
Behind the Bastards
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That's Fox style.
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That was just the common ground.
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I haven't looked at any news yet purposefully. So I'm you know, it could be awesome. It could be going great out there.
Behind the Bastards
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Where is their hub? Is it like a message board type of situation? Like how is it? Yes.
Behind the Bastards
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Also, I do want to know what the etymology of Zizzy in it is. It's because from Zitz?
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader
And so her first move- Is it the time to start a smaller subculture?
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No, she's having a tough time out here.
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A lot of reluctant, like, I guess.
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It's not traditionally people who have been touched, you know?
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Yeah, I mean, you want to fill your time with importance, right? Right, yes. Regardless of what you do. And you want to feel like you have a cause worthy of fighting for. So in that, I guess I see how you got here.
Behind the Bastards
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Because they're not the hero. Because they're not the hero, right? You are. You are. You are the all-powerful hero.
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Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I wonder if she's telling, you think she's telling people at work?
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No, no, no. It seems like the general tech disruptor idea, you know?
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I can't believe this guy continues to get traction.
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On all levels, by the way. Everybody's thinking about it.
Behind the Bastards
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From the bar room to the board room. It's what everyone's talking about, always.
Behind the Bastards
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Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
Behind the Bastards
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Wow. Wow. Wow. What a place to end up. Yeah. I would love to see the other drafts.
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Ultimately, to save it all, I have to make smart.
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I don't know if that's an investor. You need to give their money to that.
Behind the Bastards
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No, I was going to say it's a pretty reasonable conclusion for him.
Behind the Bastards
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It's not set up for you either. You kind of defied the odds. It's for, like you said, the rich people who get the job. Exactly. It's not even... Yes.
Behind the Bastards
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And she's been following this man at this point for years, right?
Behind the Bastards
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Yeah, that's living in the world. You did the hard part. Yeah. They said they were going to do it. They said they'd do it. Yeah, that's like, they already said, we don't do this. That's where you're like, all right.
Behind the Bastards
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She should have heeded the warnings.
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No, it's it's a. It's so scary. Yes, yes. It's very scary stuff. It's so scary to be like, oh, that's where she was operating.
Behind the Bastards
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Getting rid of Xanax. Before it gets to where it gets, at this point, you really feel for her. Just living like that. Every day, she's so scared that this is what she's doing.
Behind the Bastards
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I'm doing great. I really can't wait to see where this goes. Yeah. I feel like anything could happen at this point.
Behind the Bastards
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Exactly. She's so spun out at this point. It's like, how do you even get back How do you even get back?
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Yeah, and even just with her convictions and things, she does it.
Behind the Bastards
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But they're there. They're based on an elaborate Harry Potter fan fiction book.
Behind the Bastards
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It's exactly that, where it's just like, you want to draw something so it's not nonsense. And then you realize, no, that's- No, no, no, no.
Behind the Bastards
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No, I don't think they're flying any flag.
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Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Can I tell you, I really, it felt like this is what was, this is like where it had to go, right?
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Yeah, she lives in it now. It's so far for, we've been talking about it however long, she's so far away from us even. Yeah.
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Oh, man. But she is at war with herself, really.
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I forget that she's also dealing with that entire- Yes.
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Yeah, that's a great place to start. This isn't so leading people to destroy themselves. It's not even...
Behind the Bastards
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It's so crazy too. Where were these me? I just, in my head, I'm like, this is just happening in like a ballroom at a Radisson. I think it is.
Behind the Bastards
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Oh, you see like the sliver of hope.
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That's its own kind of hell though, right? To think that you have this enlightenment and that you weren't good enough to participate. And she talks a lot about how I'd probably just kill myself.
Behind the Bastards
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Right. Because that's also looming.
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It's also such a- So we're in a bad place here? Yeah. The crazy thing about her is that like- the amount of thinking just to like get in the shower to go to work, you know, you know what I mean? Like that, that, it just seems like it makes everything.
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Every, every action is so loaded. Yes. Yes. The weight of that.
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This is the conversation where she asked for the two.
Behind the Bastards
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You have to go with the hardest confrontation, right?
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Yeah, you get the piss out of it as fast as possible.
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It feels like the same thinking, though, is like the robot's going to make it. It seems to always come back to this idea of like, I think we just got to be evil.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's like it feels like it's a it's a theme here. Mm hmm.
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I have a comedy special you can purchase on Patreon. It's called Birth of a Nation with a G. You can get that at patreon.com backslash David Borey.
Behind the Bastards
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Yeah, this was, I don't really, I'm going to be thinking about this for weeks.
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I hate to be this guy, but that's a lot of the fun of the game is killing the NPCs.
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It's also one of those things where it's like, you got to think locally, man. There's people on your street who need help.