David E. Sanger

And so this document, again, had come out before but had redactions. Now what we see is new material, again, about spying on the French, this time in the United States. We learned that the CIA not only was doing the eavesdropping, but they actually broke into the French consulate building. Wow. Yeah. And it is kind of an example of the CIA out of control. Right.

And so this document, again, had come out before but had redactions. Now what we see is new material, again, about spying on the French, this time in the United States. We learned that the CIA not only was doing the eavesdropping, but they actually broke into the French consulate building. Wow. Yeah. And it is kind of an example of the CIA out of control. Right.

And beyond that, in these documents, we have other examples of the CIA going beyond that charter. We have them listening to the phones of journalists in Washington. Now, remember, we knew that before these documents came out, but now we know more. And we have another name of a Washington Post reporter we did not know whose phone was being tapped that the CIA was listening to.

And beyond that, in these documents, we have other examples of the CIA going beyond that charter. We have them listening to the phones of journalists in Washington. Now, remember, we knew that before these documents came out, but now we know more. And we have another name of a Washington Post reporter we did not know whose phone was being tapped that the CIA was listening to.

But it's also true that this additional information feeds other conspiracy theories that have developed over the years. Take the eavesdropping on Washington journalists. That was part of a real program the CIA called Project Mockingbird. Right, you mentioned that before. But Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

But it's also true that this additional information feeds other conspiracy theories that have developed over the years. Take the eavesdropping on Washington journalists. That was part of a real program the CIA called Project Mockingbird. Right, you mentioned that before. But Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

often talks about something called Operation Mockingbird, which he says is an effort by the CIA to not just listen to journalists, but manipulate them, control them. So he's taken a kernel of a real thing, this real abuse of listening to Washington journalists, and morphed it into an entirely different conspiracy theory.

often talks about something called Operation Mockingbird, which he says is an effort by the CIA to not just listen to journalists, but manipulate them, control them. So he's taken a kernel of a real thing, this real abuse of listening to Washington journalists, and morphed it into an entirely different conspiracy theory.

Yes. And look, in the past, we've had releases of documents that have been meant to dispel conspiracy theories, to try and bring more rationality and logic and information into the debate. But now, maybe for the first time, we have people who are invested in the conspiracy theories, and they have a very different set of interests.

Yes. And look, in the past, we've had releases of documents that have been meant to dispel conspiracy theories, to try and bring more rationality and logic and information into the debate. But now, maybe for the first time, we have people who are invested in the conspiracy theories, and they have a very different set of interests.

Robert F. Kennedy is pushing this transparency in part because he believes there's new information about these conspiracy theories that he's pushed for years.

Robert F. Kennedy is pushing this transparency in part because he believes there's new information about these conspiracy theories that he's pushed for years.

Not completely. He may not believe every old conspiracy theory, but he definitely believes there's a conspiracy to get him today. He definitely believes the deep state is... is out to undermine his presidency. He blames them for the Mar-a-Lago classified documents investigation. He blames them for undermining his foreign policy.

Not completely. He may not believe every old conspiracy theory, but he definitely believes there's a conspiracy to get him today. He definitely believes the deep state is... is out to undermine his presidency. He blames them for the Mar-a-Lago classified documents investigation. He blames them for undermining his foreign policy.

So if something comes out that undermines the credibility of the intelligence agencies of the FBI, Trump does not oppose that.

So if something comes out that undermines the credibility of the intelligence agencies of the FBI, Trump does not oppose that.

Objectively, I would say the old history has very little to do with how the CIA operates today. There have been years of reform. There's far more congressional oversight today than there was in the 1960s. But that may be a minority view. A lot of people, they look at these old stories and they see proof of what they think is happening today.

Objectively, I would say the old history has very little to do with how the CIA operates today. There have been years of reform. There's far more congressional oversight today than there was in the 1960s. But that may be a minority view. A lot of people, they look at these old stories and they see proof of what they think is happening today.

And so even if we know that the CIA operates very differently, people use evidence of past mistakes to argue that there is a deep state that today is undermining the president.

And so even if we know that the CIA operates very differently, people use evidence of past mistakes to argue that there is a deep state that today is undermining the president.