David E. Sanger

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

Oh, yeah. That was exactly what you thought it was. Just translate that. You know, so the eulogy was about Jimmy Carter, but it was about Jimmy Carter as the anti-Trump. And I think that is what Biden truly believes. And so you had this odd duality as I was watching it.

Oh, yeah. That was exactly what you thought it was. Just translate that. You know, so the eulogy was about Jimmy Carter, but it was about Jimmy Carter as the anti-Trump. And I think that is what Biden truly believes. And so you had this odd duality as I was watching it.

And it struck me, Michael, not to follow your Forrest Gump comparisons for too long, because I'm not sure I really like that one very much. But these are the five presidents I've covered. And these were five remarkably different people. But four of them worked within the institutions, even though we had our doubts at various moments during the Iraq war about George W. Bush.

And it struck me, Michael, not to follow your Forrest Gump comparisons for too long, because I'm not sure I really like that one very much. But these are the five presidents I've covered. And these were five remarkably different people. But four of them worked within the institutions, even though we had our doubts at various moments during the Iraq war about George W. Bush.

And one of them has celebrated living outside the institution. And one way you could look at the five people who were standing there was to say, this moment too shall pass. We've had good presidents, bad presidents, presidents who broke laws, presidents who didn't break laws. I'm sure a lot of people looked at this and looked at Bill Clinton and said, here is an impeached president standing here.

And one of them has celebrated living outside the institution. And one way you could look at the five people who were standing there was to say, this moment too shall pass. We've had good presidents, bad presidents, presidents who broke laws, presidents who didn't break laws. I'm sure a lot of people looked at this and looked at Bill Clinton and said, here is an impeached president standing here.

And there was one at the other end of the bench as well. But the other way to go look at it is that that eulogy basically was a warning that while we have made it through each one of these five presidencies represented on those benches and Jimmy Carter's, that there remains a threat to the institution. And I think that's what Biden was saying without ever, of course, uttering Donald Trump's name.

And there was one at the other end of the bench as well. But the other way to go look at it is that that eulogy basically was a warning that while we have made it through each one of these five presidencies represented on those benches and Jimmy Carter's, that there remains a threat to the institution. And I think that's what Biden was saying without ever, of course, uttering Donald Trump's name.

I am, and delighted to be here.

I am, and delighted to be here.

It is, Sabrina. It's the big one. It's from China. It was run by the Chinese Ministry of State Security and hackers working for them. It's got a strange name. It's called Salt Typhoon. But the key thing to know here is that this is a hack of America's telecommunication systems. It's a hack of AT&T and Verizon. It's a hack of all of the smaller communication systems.

It is, Sabrina. It's the big one. It's from China. It was run by the Chinese Ministry of State Security and hackers working for them. It's got a strange name. It's called Salt Typhoon. But the key thing to know here is that this is a hack of America's telecommunication systems. It's a hack of AT&T and Verizon. It's a hack of all of the smaller communication systems.

And what's remarkable about it is that the Chinese were able by spending millions of dollars and a lot of time to figure out how to get into the core of what binds the United States together, which gives them access to so much more. What's really striking to me is the degree to which this has freaked out American officials.

And what's remarkable about it is that the Chinese were able by spending millions of dollars and a lot of time to figure out how to get into the core of what binds the United States together, which gives them access to so much more. What's really striking to me is the degree to which this has freaked out American officials.

The head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark Warner, who was himself a telecoms executive in a previous life, told me it is the worst intrusion into the United States he has ever seen in his career. Wow. Jake Sullivan, the national security advisor, organized in the Situation Room a meeting with the chief executive officers of each of the major telecommunications companies.

The head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark Warner, who was himself a telecoms executive in a previous life, told me it is the worst intrusion into the United States he has ever seen in his career. Wow. Jake Sullivan, the national security advisor, organized in the Situation Room a meeting with the chief executive officers of each of the major telecommunications companies.

They dragged them to Washington and said, we are going to have to figure out an emergency way to get the Chinese out of your systems and to rebuild those systems so they can't get back in. So the critical question that this hack raises is how could it be this late in the cyber wars, which have been going on for two decades, that China has managed once again to pierce America's defenses? Okay.

They dragged them to Washington and said, we are going to have to figure out an emergency way to get the Chinese out of your systems and to rebuild those systems so they can't get back in. So the critical question that this hack raises is how could it be this late in the cyber wars, which have been going on for two decades, that China has managed once again to pierce America's defenses? Okay.