Dave McCormick
Appearances
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
Well, you know, we had an experience during COVID where our six daughters were with us. They were disconnected from their friends, their family, their teachers, their coaches. And Dean and I started to talk about how at that same point in our lives, mentors had made all the difference for us. And we started to talk to some of our key friends, many of them very successful.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
And we realized that in their case, also a key person or two had made all the difference. For me, it was a football coach who saw promise in me and made me the team captain. And that changed my life, helped me get into West Point. Dina can tell her story. And so we believe that when lots of people are losing trust in their officials, the media,
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
that by focusing on helping individuals find their best selves, really grow and develop mentorship, offers the opportunity to really change the direction of the country and our communities.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
Yeah, leadership and mentorship are really close cousins. You know, when you're a leader, you have to stand up and help everybody find their best selves. But mentorship is very personal. It's very intimate. And we learn through our interviews and talking to a number of retired generals, in fact, The key building blocks are, first of all, trust.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
You have to trust someone that they're with you, that you can be vulnerable with them, that they have your best interest in mind. The second thing is values. What we're trying to teach people through mentorship is the values that are going to guide them. It's not just about the transaction of helping them get the next job. It's about the values. by which they're going to live their lives.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
The third is commitment. So it's a mutual promise to one another that you're going to engage and use that relationship for mutual benefit. And then the final thing, and this came up over and over again, is confidence. Because as you know, Ben, and we all, anybody that's been successful knows that it's not a straight line. You're going to find adversity. You're going to have to overcome failure.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
I certainly did that. I overcoming failure and having mentors give you the confidence to get into the arena, to find your place. That's what great mentorship does. And at a very intimate level, it's hard to do that across a unit of 500 or a thousand. You can do it very intimately on a one-on-one mentoring relationship.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
Well, I think that they often, the best mentoring relationships happen organically. You encounter someone in your life and they take an interest and you invest in them and they invest in you. But I think you have to be explicit and ask someone, hey, would you be willing to give me advice? And you have to be committed to it and forthright about it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
And you have to be respectful if you're the mentee that the person that you're asking support from may not have all the time. So be very disciplined. We talk in the book about how to be a good mentee. And, you know, you don't get an hour. Steve Schwartzman talks about a meeting, which was a remarkable meeting. He wrote a letter to Avril Herrmann.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
And Avril Herrmann wrote him back and said, yeah, I'd be happy to sit down. And Steve went and sat down with Avril Herrmann. And Avril Herrmann gave him advice on how to think about his career in life. It wasn't like he sat down weekly with Avril Herrmann, but he used that moment in a way that really changed his life. My favorite story is about Brian Grazier, who I think you know, Ben.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
Brian talks about this incredible encounter. He was sort of running as a runner on a big major motion picture studio and finally got a meeting with Deanne Barkley, who was the most prominent woman in Hollywood. And and he had been writing two scripts. He got in the meeting. He was he was pitching his two scripts and the bird.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
She had a canary behind her in the birdcage, fell off the stoop and died right in front of her. And she had this hilarious reaction. She said, we're destined. You know, and she she she took an interest in and bought his two scripts. which were the movie Splash and Night Shift. But she took him on as a mentee. And she would take him around Hollywood and introduce him to all the big names.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
But he kept getting, the meetings never followed up. Like he never got further. And she finally pulled him aside. And this is key to mentorship. It's tough love. She pulled him aside. She said, listen, I've gotten the feedback from these meetings. I've been into myself. You exaggerate. People think you're not being truthful. They think you're lying. And so they're not following up.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
You got a good start, but you finish weak. And he was like, oh my God, people think that I'm not being truthful. And that was like a major fork in the road, which changed the way he projected himself, the way he conducted himself. And, you know, he had an ongoing relationship with Deanne Barkley, but that moment of intervention was so critical. So sometimes mentorship is for a point in time.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2173 - FALLOUT: Stock Market Drops, Trump Pushes On
And then, you know, sometimes it lasts over many decades. Those of us who have been the beneficiaries of it know how valuable it is.