Dave Davies

The Justice Department's prosecutors were way behind at some point when they realized they really wanted to investigate this.

They approached the committee staff and said, how about sharing with us all of your interviews with people so far?

What was their response?

I remember moments in those televised hearings of the select congressional committee like when we heard about these dramatic meetings in the Oval Office in December of 2020 when Donald Trump was trying to reverse the results of the election and he wanted to appoint Jeffrey Clark, this conservative attorney who didn't really have the experience to lead the Justice Department.

He wanted to make him attorney general and a whole bevy of –

Career lawyers threatened to resign en masse and shut that down.

This was some amazing stuff.

When the Justice Department investigators were watching all this on television, had they talked to those folks?

Was this news to them?

You know, normally when federal prosecutors and their colleagues in the FBI investigate a big white-collar case, they take their time, they build the facts, you know, they work from the inside to the out of a conspiracy, and they don't worry about time.

In this particular case, the time that it would take mattered a lot.

And, I mean, I just know from covering these things that major white-collar criminal cases take a long, long time to get to trial.

Yeah.

These were experienced prosecutors.

They knew that.

Were they concerned that they were going to get to the point where Donald Trump's burgeoning presidential campaign for a second term was going to run into this trial schedule?

Right.

And of course, Jack Smith was appointed after Donald Trump formally announced his candidacy for a second term.

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