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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah, I think, you know, my mom was from Pennsylvania. And so even like when we moved to a place like Northern Virginia, it's like that's everyone, you know, it's not necessarily just like only Southern culture there. That was everybody moving there who worked in D.C. And it's a mix. It's a mix. Yeah.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And so when you would meet when I would meet kids with like really thick Southern accents, I was always like just amazed and tickled and liked it and would try to imitate them. Yeah. Try to act like I belong. But yeah, I just grew up, you know, living there, parents both working. That was like the beginning of cable TV and video stores. And so I just I loved all that stuff.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I was just like I wasn't into sports, wasn't into anything like that. I just really loved movies and TV and, you know, and just was obsessed with it.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah. And it was very few. You know, I had only like a handful of buddies who were into that stuff. I would try to make movies in my backyard with kids. And then I went to the North Carolina School of the Arts for film school. And that's where I met, honestly, all the guys I still work with to this day.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Jody Hill, David Green, Richard Wright, our production designer, our music supervisor. It's people I met when I was 18 years old. And we're guys who couldn't afford to go to NYU or USC. We're going to this little state-run school that is just beginning to have a film program. And I don't know. We always just felt like outsiders there. We're learning to make movies in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It wasn't like we were so far outside the bubble. I don't know. I think it instilled in us this idea that we should all like stick together and help each other out because we were kind of living on an island so far away from all the resources that other people had. And then we just kind of kept that up through our careers. Just caught my eye.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Like, that wasn't you. It wasn't me. But then it was funny, like, you know, just because I'm from the South, then, you know, we lean in with something like Kenny Powers. I think that was the perception was that. But it was sort of like, that was sort of my love letter to all the assholes that I had grown up with.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It is. And, you know, I feel like with some of these characters, I feel like, you know, they're the butt of the joke. So, you know, as opposed to just delivering, like, one-liners and stuff, it's just sort of, like, embodying a complete joke. You know? Like, just making someone who is so silly and ridiculous in that. I don't know. I just find I have a good time doing that.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I love The Goonies. I took my, before we left California and moved to Charleston, South Carolina, I took the kids up to Astoria to go see The Goonies house, to go see The Rock, to go see The Jailhouse. It was awesome. I've been wanting to go. It was awesome.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah, I love that movie. I thought it was cool. I mean, I think it was just, you know, of the age, seeing a bunch of kids that are your age on TV and they're cursing instantly appealed to me.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I remember my grandfather's take on it was that it was pornographic and it confused me about what pornographic meant. I'm like, is it? Is this pornographic? Is this... But I guess it was the language that he didn't like. It wasn't that the kids were banging each other. I was going to say.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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He had the laser disc.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Oh, yeah.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Goonies. Goonies fans. I did this really small movie with Jodi called Legacy of a White-Tailed Deer Hunter that was, like, a Netflix movie, and Josh Brolin's in it. I was, like, wanting to say something about Goonies, like, the entire time, and I just, like, felt like, oh, I got to play it cool. And there's, like, one scene where I'm, like, almost dying in the scene, and...

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And he's like, you know, trying to help me out. And he's like, you know, don't die. And then in the take, I was like, Goonies never say die. And he just looked at me. He's like, that's the worst delivery you've given in the whole movie.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It has to be. I think it's what allows you to still make them feel like no matter how far in outer space the comedy might go, that there's somewhere you can kind of get back down to planet Earth by the end and kind of like have a chance to

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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make it touching or to make somebody feel something real in it we kind of learned that when we were writing eastbound i remember when we pitched it we were so enamored with just kenny powers being such a shithead and treating everyone so terribly and that was making us laugh and then there became this moment where we're like what would make you more interesting is if he was actually good at this and it's not like he's just a joke like if he actually had talent and part of the tragedy is he squandered it yeah

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I remember that being like a breakthrough because that wasn't part of our initial pitch. It was like, yeah, he flamed out. But the idea that he was really talented and he had something there that that's part of why he's overstretching so much is that he's like squandered something that that was in him that he kind of abused.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And I don't know, it just was a eye opener that like, you know, you can make jokes with these characters, but if you can kind of like actually give them something real under there to struggle with, it just ends up giving you more room to play.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Pretty, pretty terrible. Yeah, I love that. And I love like working with actors that get that, you know, like Edie Patterson, who plays my sister on the show. You know, I met her on Vice Principals and instantly saw that with her that like, not only can she just deliver everything. insane punchlines, you know, that are completely lunacy.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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But, like, she has the chops to, like, make you care, too, and to make, to hurt your feelings or to make you kind of want more for her. And I think the moment we started messing around with that kind of stuff, it just, like, that became what a little bit of the pull was with all the comedy. It's like, how can we surprise people by being so foul?

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And then, weirdly, underneath it all, there's, like, something that might resonate with people.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Exactly. They're gangsters.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah. That was what was kind of crazy even starting the show is that, you know, I moved down to Charleston, South Carolina with my family about almost like eight years ago. And I wasn't really sure what I was going to write next. And once I was there, I saw... a lot of the churches there and I was like on every other radio stations, like religious station.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I went to church when I was a kid, my family was pretty religious and it just got me thinking like, what is church like now? I started doing research on these mega churches and it just instantly seemed like it was something that would be in one of our worlds.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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The idea of these people seeing themselves as a celebrity and being big shots and just the idea of saying one thing, meaning another, it just felt like it was right for what we wanted to do. But then I would look at stuff that tackles religion and I always kind of never, I couldn't think of anything that I really liked that had done that.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I was like, oh, it's, you know, there's something about it that is usually too cynical or it's just bashing on people's faith. And I don't know, it just didn't seem like it was, uh. Like it was something that I wanted to do. And so, yeah, we started writing that show.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It was sort of like one of our mantras was like, you know, yeah, these guys believe in the butt of the joke is never what their belief is. It's just them. They're the butt of the joke. Their hypocrisy is what's funny and not like what they believe in. And, um, And everybody on board the show got down with that. That was sort of like what everyone kind of followed.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And it'd be interesting because you oftentimes would see stuff. People would come with things, whether it's production design or anything that might push things too much. Like, oh, I think the joke here is that it's Jesus. And maybe that's not where we should get the joke from. It should get the thought process behind someone is more funny than just... Cheap shots, I guess.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah, Walton, you know, I had seen Walton in The Shield, and Walton came in in red for Eastbound. It was the, I think it was the third season, and we ended up casting Sudeikis in that role. He was like Kenny Power's best friend, but I mean, I always, I mean, it was just, you know,

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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not because Walton didn't do a good job reading, but it was just like, I think we already had our mindset on Sudeikis and, uh, but Walton just stuck in my brain at forever after that, when he came in, I was like, God damn, that guy was so funny when he, you know, and so unexpected. And I had bumped into him a few other times through the years.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And then when I wrote vice principals, uh, he just came to my mind that he was, you know, that I would like to spend some time with him. And I felt like this was a side that he hadn't really shown people. And, uh, In all of his work, there's a comedic undertone to all of it. You know, he's just naturally funny. And so, yeah, it was just kind of awesome.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I sent him that script, the pilot, and he called me back later on that afternoon and was just like doing the Lee Russell voice, which is the character he played in Vice Principals. It was like, this is going to be fun.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Totally. Yeah, weirdly, we never approach any of it like it is a comedy. Even when we talk to the production designers and all this stuff, we approach it as if it's so serious. And then that just makes it so much funnier. I remember even when we sold Eastbound... you know, they were trying to talk to us about shooting it all digitally and everything.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And for us, it was like, no, we, we like fought really hard to shoot on like super 16. And then even the other seasons were on 35 millimeter film. And it was like, there was no real reason to, to do that. But for us, it was all part of the aesthetic of like, we can't treat this. Like it's just something cheap, you know, it needs to be approached as if it has scope and grandeur.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And then all of these jokes and all this ridiculousness will, will play then, you know, you're shooting it.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It's so true. I remember us hearing that, that like, you know, oh, you need to get a comedy DP. And we were just like, what, what the hell is that? You know? And to me, it was like, no, it seems like, you know, We don't want to play into any of this stuff. There's not like a way to shoot it.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And, you know, yeah, for us, that always it felt like if you're filming something, you should use all the tools that come with filming something. You should be able to know when to make it dark or when to make it light. You should know when to make it beautiful or when to make it ominous and scary.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And why would you strip all of those things away just to kind of light something bland so that you the jokes play better? It just it felt like it was missing out on what the advantages are of doing something filmed.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I remember.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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You found me in the bottom of the pool that you took out.

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah, he's going to even the score.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I think protecting those fish, there was a few times where I saved a few where I got home and the fish was still flopping on the ground and I saw the scared look in its eye as I put it back in the water. I was like, I can never fish now. I've ruined it for myself.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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No, I'll reach out to you. But what would we do? Well, there's a few good bars down the street from my house. We'd probably ride around in golf carts. Maybe we'd go on a ghost tour. I would love that. I, I, you know, the, the area where I live, people cruise around on golf carts and it's, uh, there's no hotels or anything out there. It gets pretty dark after night.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And like, I love to just like put the kids in the golf cart and I literally just like play the soundtrack to the shining and turn the lights and just cruise around the island. It is more frightening than what you could imagine.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Hi, my name is Danny McBride, and I feel very righteous about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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They're in therapy.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I remember when we shot Land of the Lost here in Los Angeles. That's like one of the only movies I ever worked on that shot on a back lot. That was what I thought all of Hollywood would be. It would be like you'd be on the studio and every movie would be shooting there. I think we were the only movie that was shooting in town that time on the Universal lot.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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and we would have all these late nights and uh will ferrell and yorma and i would get in golf carts at the uh like late at night on like you know on these night shoots and we would drive through universal studios when it was closed down and we would pull up in front of the psycho house and one by one you'd have to go up by yourself and knock on the door and it seems so silly it was scary as shit

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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That does sound scary. It was. It was. You would freak yourself out. There was no way after you knocked that you would not run back to the golf cart where everybody was. And then quickly make some jokes like it wasn't that scary.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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This is the final season. Wrapped it up this season. Yep. I think it's our best one yet. I know everyone has to say that to get people to tune in, but I really do think that. Yeah.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Please come down. I'll give you the real tour.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Thank you.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I didn't say to them.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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I often wish I could go back and do it again. That was, that was the first time I'd ever even done press. Like I had never even had an interview before. I'd obviously never been on a late night show. And I remember I couldn't eat for like two days before we did it. I was so nervous about what we were doing. And, uh, It was so much fun, and you're right.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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You played along, and it felt like we were really offending people and upsetting people. I think after I was on, we looked online, and there were people who were mad about it. They were like, they should take his school away. He shouldn't be allowed to be around children.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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And I was like, I've got to know this Danny McBride. Who is this Danny McBride? I think it's funny to play characters who have terrible senses of humor. Yeah. Yeah.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Yes, yes.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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You got a lot of alone time? You know, I was born in Georgia, and then I actually, like, lived in Lompoc, California for a little bit, really young. My dad was a guard at the prison there, and so I lived on the prison reservation for all the other— All the other families of people who were working in the prison lived. We were there, I think, for maybe about four years, and it was crazy.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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It definitely was a nutty place to live in the backyard of a federal prison. Were you scared ever, or no?

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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You know, the only time I ever really thought about it was there was one night I can remember that the sirens went off at the prison, and my dad came in and made my sister and I go into their room, and we had to shut the door, and I'm looking out the window, and he's getting his shotgun, and like, jumping into the back of a pickup truck with all my friends' dads.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

Danny McBride

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Like, there had been a jailbreak, and they were, like, going out to go. Go on and down, I guess. But he had got transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons in D.C. after that, so then we moved to Virginia and then kind of grew up there for the rest of it. Yeah.

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Sweet and kind. I love him.

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He'll do anything.

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Yeah, I was the picker. Yep. Uh,

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yeah when we wrote the pilot for eastbound and we had that role you know we were we just went to like you know we went through the regular casting process and honestly like as soon as i saw him then that's like where that character kind of like blew up then like there was no intentions we first wrote that that character would be such a big deal in the show but it was seeing how genuinely funny he was and how cool he was then every season just became like what can we get steve to do this year and

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He never shied away from any of it. He was always game. He'd always take it much further than we ever imagined. He was amazing.

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Me and him went down to Guadalajara, Mexico. I guess it was beginning of last year. I was launching this tequila brand, Don Gato, and I got him to come down there with me and we shot these ads for it. And after the first day of shooting, I came down to the hotel bar and he was just there with a pad and paper. And I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm handwriting my mom a letter.

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Tell her how much fun I'm having here. I was like, that's what I love about Steve Little. He handwrites his mom letters. It's a special person who does that.

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That's right.

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Yeah. That, that casting is definitely fun because stuff can just take a new life on and, And you're right. It's one of those deals where someone can be really good and you can kind of tell instantly whether it's the right fit or not, not even based on their talent, but like whatever ideas you had in mind for what that character looked like or how they talked.

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And you can kind of tell instantly when someone comes in like, yep or nope. I think that's a hard gig, man. I've been lucky that I have tried to write most of the things that I've done. But yeah, just being an actor has to show up constantly and put yourself out there in that way. It's tough, man.

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Matcha Luther King. Yeah. It was cool, but it was just like, you know. They have the, I have a cream drink.

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No, he was totally independent. I think we shot it for about 70 grand, shot it in like a little less than three weeks. And yeah, it was all just buddies. Everyone just came down there to do it. And, uh, Yeah. I mean, it was we had Jody and I had both lived in L.A. for a few years at that point. And, you know, neither of us had found like any real success.

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And so it was sort of a Hail Mary of just like, all right, let's just see if we can kind of do this on our own.

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If you're at a place where you can afford the guilds, then you already have a leg up. You're already kind of in the zone. That thing there was like there's no one trying to help us make it. There's no one – they don't care about it not being the guilds because they just don't ever think it will see the light of day.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

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So every bit of that is a fight because not only do you have to kind of get the resources and figure out how to do it and how to talk people into coming and doing it when there's no upside for them. But then even once it's done, there's no guarantee that anything will ever happen with it. And so I think that can be pretty discouraging for people sometimes.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

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And now especially, the entertainment industry has changed so much. And yeah, it's all risk it seems like these days.

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I went to film school in North Carolina. That's where I met Jody Hill and a lot of the guys I work with. In the 90s, there was just like such a healthy, independent film market.

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I mean you were going to film school and you're seeing guys like Tarantino and Kevin Smith and all these dudes are just like making stuff that's pretty simple and it's not requiring massive budgets and they're finding audiences. And so it was inspiring. It felt like you could do it, like you were – like anyone could do it.

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And it's kind of funny that it was much harder to make an independent film then. I mean you had to shoot on film. You had to like – there was all these elements of things that were super expensive. Oh, yeah. And it seems kind of crazy that with technology, it should be easier than ever to make something independent. But it feels like the market is like not as healthy as it used to be.

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And, yeah, it's kind of disappointing.

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It's so hard writing stuff that most of the time when I have written something, it's been with the intention of going and making it. I only have a few things that I've written that I didn't kind of move on. But most of them were just because it wasn't any good and it wasn't something to kind of pursue.

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But luckily, all the stuff I've really put my energy into, I've been able to see it to fruition in some way or another.

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Wait, and so you think that you've gotten too old to be Sinkhole Baby now?

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I just feel sometimes like I'm just getting a little too old. Hey, man, you're never too old to be a sinkhole, baby. That's one thing I've learned in this world. Really? You think that? Yeah, I believe that.

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You got to go back in that sinkhole. You left your phone in there. You got to get back in there. Your buddy was left behind. Got to get his body. Got to bring it up. And then at the end, you go to the cafe and they put two raisins on top of that. That's how you win in the end.

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There's this dry climate out here. It dries you out.

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It's not like Charleston, South Carolina.

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I have. Yeah, we helped him produce Tires, his show he does for Netflix.

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He's himself, you know, not polished and just kind of shooting from the hip. That's good. I think people respond to it. I think they like seeing that.

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I feel like we've always tried to push it in everything that we've done. I know people are like, oh, you can't make comedies about this, that anymore. But even when we made Eastbound and Down, it wasn't like they were asking for that. It wasn't like people were like, we need a racist baseball player that cusses at kids and does cocaine. There wasn't an ad in the trades for it.

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I think that you come in, you make something funny, and then that's what – that starts new trends. That makes people gravitate towards it. I think that – Obviously you see people getting in trouble for saying fucked up shit.

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But I also – like I feel like it's very rarely you see people get in trouble for actually like making something that is – I think people get in trouble sometimes rightfully so for saying bad shit. But I mean I can't really think of where people really get in trouble for like making something that pushes the lines. I mean maybe I'm like forgetting things. But I kind of feel like –

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A lot of times people just want their ass to be kissed and I think when you make something that pushes the boundaries, everyone is not going to kiss your ass. People will get upset about it and you have to be cool with that being part of what goes with pushing the boundaries is that those boundaries are going to sometimes push back on you and that's just part of the deal.

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I think so. I think that's what it is. I mean obviously you can be judged on whether it's good or not. But that's a different thing than whether if you're just putting something out there that's problematic and people get mad about it. It feels like that's honestly what you're asking for, right?

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When people put something out there that's controversial, it's made to have people start fighting, right? Isn't that part of how the whole thing works? I think so.

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Oh, perfect. And then you wet the bed and went sailing after that? Perfect. That's a perfect night out in Charleston.

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You shine there. You know what? I – I love SNL. I grew up watching it. And one of the first movies I ever did was Hot Rod, which was produced by Lorne Michaels. And when we were shooting Hot Rod, I met Bill Hader and Andy Samberg and Akiva and Yorma and all those guys. And they were just coming off their first year of SNL. And so it was cool. I liked those guys.

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And Lorne had actually kind of prodded me to see if I was interested in joining the cast. Really?

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the same exact week that we sold Eastbound and Down. And so I was like, as much as I'm flattered, this is what I'm going to go off and do. And then none of them ever talked to me ever again.

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I think he would have to juice it up, dude. He would. He would have to. Don't you think? I feel like there should just be a special league for just all the dudes who juice it up, right? Yeah.

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This will sort of – anybody who wants to dope it up will stay out of the regular leagues and they'll gravitate towards this? Is that what it is?

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No, they cross the finish line and their hearts explode. That's what happens if you win. Yep. Wow. How do you train for these events? I can't wait to see. It's just going to be superhumans leaping over houses.

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Yeah, and then all your hair falls out and zits start forming on your back and your wife is like, what is going on? What happened to you?

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You're going to do it. Yeah, I like that.

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I'll tune in. I'm in. You have your last season of Gemstones? Last season of Gemstones. I live in Charleston like we talked about, so I've been out in L.A. this week just running around, running my mouth. This is my last day of running my mouth. It's wonderful.

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Oh, really?

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Shit.

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I know people, when this show first started, I think everyone thought you were on the show. They always thought you were Tony Cavallaro. Oh, yeah. Tony's a buddy of mine. Yeah, you guys had that similar vibe, I think. Actually, honestly, when the first season came out, I remember I met with a reporter, and they asked me what it was like to work with Theo Vaughn. Did they?

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Yeah, and I was like, that's not Theo Vaughn.

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He really is.

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I'm just noticing how much more ripped Tony is now. Like he was always strong, but God damn, that dude got really strong over the last few years. Yeah, well, he just has such a – Him and Devine oftentimes when we're shooting down Charleston, those guys have the same schedule. And so every day that they're not working, they're just fucking pumping iron together. Are they?

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Just getting strong, spotting each other.

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You know what? A lot of it was just like watching videos and stuff. And then I actually kind of went around and I did it. I interviewed a few different pastors just before I told them what I was making a show about. And just, you know, for my own ideas, my own insight. And people were responsive. They talked to me.

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You know, my aunt, she actually sadly passed away just a few weeks ago, but she was a minister. So I talked to her a lot about the church. Really? What kind of church did she minister at? I feel like she was in Atlanta. It wasn't a mega church, but it was one of those sort of these churches that can pop up in shopping centers and not look like your typical church.

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She kind of moved into counseling after that as well. But, you know, I grew up in a household that was pretty religious. My mom was – she did like puppet ministry when I was a child. She would like do the children's sermons and stuff like that. Oh, really? Yeah. And do they hide behind something they do that is out front? It's like a little – we had this like PVC pipe frame with felt over it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And they'd hide behind there and my mom had like boxes of these puppets and she would drum up these little scripts and, you know, kind of –

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bible characters uh no well sometimes there would be but sometimes they would just be these characters they would have to learn bible lessons you know it's like characters like suddenly paul reveres exactly but it was uh i grew up with all that stuff so yeah this is exactly that's the kind of shit we do right there that was it oh this is great huh yep and um oh my god yeah

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Yeah, he's learning stuff. He's learning about the – he's singing a song about sinkhole baby, you know, and about how Jesus raised him up out of the sinkhole, made him into a little raisin.

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Yeah, I live by the beach. And then, yeah, we're on the water all the time there. That's like the beauty of that city. You got all that water. You got all those good restaurants. The people are nice. Yeah, it's a pretty, pretty sweet spot.

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We're strong. They lived in Virginia, and then when we moved down to Charleston, she moved there. My wife's from Los Angeles. I met her out here. I was here for like 20 years. And so when I convinced her to move to Charleston with us, you know, figured it was only right. Me, her and the kids come down. Her mom, who's Angelina, she moved down there, too.

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So now for the first time in my life, I have like I live in the same town as my parents and. Yeah, it's kind of wild.

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It's been nice. Man, I always feel grateful for what we get to do. But the fact that all the shows we've done, I've made it with all my buddies that I met in college, guys I met when I was 18 years old. We're, you know, smoking weed together in the dorm rooms, talking about movies and all this shit. And now, you know, 25 years later, we're all still doing the same stuff.

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I met her. She was like a friend of my neighbor when I lived in this shitty apartment over in West Hollywood. And so it was just kind of one of those things where you don't have any money to go to any of these expensive bars or clubs when you're in your early 20s out here. Yeah, unless you're the fucking Rizzler, huh? Yeah, unless you're the Rizzler. You're going to Craig's, dude.

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Drinking two Pepsis after nine.

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I know. I've had that like, you know, moving. I went to college in North Carolina and moved here in 99. And man, this was a tough this is a tough city to come into from with nothing. You know, it's it's it's hard living. I feel like when you get out here and you're.

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waiting tables and PA and and just doing all this stuff making no money and it hurts you can't go do anything and Every girl that your age is dating someone who's 15 years older and dating Aerosmith It's tough.

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Yeah, and it felt too like when the city could be against you, like parking tickets, stuff like that. I mean it just felt like when your day was bad, that's always when you would come out and there would be a boot on your car and it would just get worse and worse and worse. And that's the other thing is when you're kind of living on the edge like that, it feels like no one gives a shit either.

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Do you ever get out there on them? I think I'm too top-heavy to surf. I'm more of a bodyboarder, yeah. You ever seen big, heavy dudes try to surf? It's hilarious. It's like Mr. Potato Head body out there trying to surf. The aerodynamics are off. Yeah, why don't they have who's coming out with the big boy board?

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Like people would walk over you if you were laying on the ground bleeding. Yeah, it was tough. Yeah. Did you ever do stand-up too or no? I never did stand-up, no. You desired to, you think? I didn't really. Honestly, I didn't even really have any ambitions to be an actor. It's like I went to film school to write and to make. I always kind of imagined I would just be behind the camera and –

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And that's true 100%? 100%, yeah. I mean, yeah, I didn't have any ambitions of trying to be an actor at all. David Green, who was another classmate of mine, he made this movie called All the Real Girls. Bring it up. It's a beautiful film about first love and Appalachia. Oh, really? Yeah, but he had an actor who backed out of the show the last minute. And it was an independent movie.

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And he just asked me to come down and play the role because he didn't have time to cast somebody else. And it was the very first time I ever acted in anything. And after Jody saw it, he wanted to make a movie. And he was like, well, you're the only person we know who's been in something. So it's funny that we thought that was a leg up.

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Just that dude right there we thought would somehow get something made.

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We had the same thing on Jemstones here.

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I mean that's what a lot of this stuff becomes is it becomes surrounding yourself with just strategists, like people on your team that just know how to solve problems because that's 100% what all making anything is, is you got your idea of what it's going to be, and then every day it's dealing with something that's coming your way to make it less than what you want it to be, and you've got to figure out how to navigate it.

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Yeah, when we shot the season of Jemstones – And right near the end, there's this pretty specific location to this season. And I fought really hard to be able to get in this place and shoot there. But we only had limited time in the night before we had to shoot the last scene of the entire series. Hurricane Helena comes through that part of Carolina and just decimated everything.

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this location that we're at it's like 100 mile per hour winds no power and it's like there's no alternative you know we have to shoot this thing you have to just do it so it's like like well once these hurricane force winds die down maybe we'll try to get some extension cords and finish this thing off and that's exactly what we did it was crazy

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You know, I wasn't sure with this. I mean, I've been really lucky with HBO that they've always been real supportive of the stuff I want to do. And they're awesome partners to have in this. And, man, I think it kind of just came as we started writing this season. To me, it just felt like it.

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I felt like when I was starting to write it, like everything I was kind of gravitating towards was like about closure and sort of wrapping up these characters like longer stories. And so – I kind of kept myself open while we were shooting, like in case I got any other ideas of like, maybe I'd come back and do another one. But as we kind of shot more and more, it just, it felt like it was the end.

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It felt like it. Yeah. And I, I don't know. TV is one of those things too, where it's a strange art form because if it's good, the reward is you just get to keep doing it and doing it and doing it. But sometimes that doesn't necessarily make for the best story, you know, just to have, you know, all right, this is like the 10th time these characters have almost died, you know, or whatever that show.

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Yeah, where things can overstay their welcome and – I mean people are getting hit with so many things these days. Like there's so many things vying for your attention. It's a lot to ask an audience to like stick with a show for 10 years or something. You know what I mean? And just think that your tastes in 10 years will be the same as it was when the first season came out. So –

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You have to just go all in on the boogie boarding. Like, no, I'm good at this. This is what I'm all about. I could stand up on this thing, but I choose not to.

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for me i didn't want to stay in it longer than we needed to i never wanted to make it something where it didn't matter i always kind of wanted to make sure it was relevant and something we were all having fun doing and never kind of uh evolve into something that just feels like a job yeah

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Yeah, we just like to party. I mean, to me, I feel like it's one of those deals. We like to rock and roll. But I do feel like, you know, especially living down there, when you're asking people to come work on the show, you're asking them to, like, leave their lives, leave the comfort of their homes, sometimes leave their spouse or their partner and –

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come down there for, you know, six months to come work with you. I've been on stuff where I've been on location and it's sort of like, yeah, good luck, buddy. You know, you're just going to end up, you don't know anybody. You're sitting in a hotel room. It's the worst. And, uh, so I always just try to at a Westin. Yeah, exactly. I just try to avoid that.

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I mean you – obviously everyone is different. People want their own – sometimes people want to be left alone in the Westin. But I try to just make everybody feel like they're at home when they come there, like try to make them have a good time. Ultimately, it's like for me, it's the whole idea that we get to make this shit is so much fun. Like I don't even watch these things after we're done.

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I don't even go back and watch any of this stuff again. My experience with it is like the act of making it. That feels like the climax to me. I oversee like every cut of this show in post. But yeah, once this stuff like is done, I'm kind of done with it. It kind of feels – even the old movies from Pineapple to Tropic, it's like –

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I'll see them at the premiere and then oftentimes we'll never even see them again. I'll see clips of things online and be like, oh, that's crazy. I remember that. But I don't know. I have a lot of fun making this stuff. I like collaborating with people.

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Like you were saying, those problems that come up, solving that stuff, that feeling of accomplishment when you do sort of dodge a bullet, like that's the excitement and the fun for me.

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Yeah, yeah. It's true. You're not going to pick up any new fans doing it.

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And that came from your dome?

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I mean, those that that kind of stuff was Boy Scout camps. I went to a Boy Scout camp when I was a kid. I remember it was like we had this. Our cub master was this was one of the kids dads. And it was him with, you know.

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12 boys and we're camping and he just got over the course of the week he just got stranger and stranger and at one point he just kind of like left you know left the camp for a while and had been a bit since he'd been back there and every night we would always notice that he'd go into his uh tent and he would just like lay down and put these headphones on and just kind of lay there and so i was so curious like what is this motherfucker listening to and i'm probably like 12 years old

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You know, I brought you a present today. Did you really? Yeah. I always like to share new products that I find useful in my life, and this is a dick laser. Oh, damn. Yeah. What it is is it's like a laser pointer that is a dick, that projects dicks. Oh, really? Yeah. So if anyone's running their mouth too much in here, look at your shoe. Look what I put on your shoe right there. Whoa, that's cool.

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And when he was gone, I snuck into his tent and I picked up his headphones and I put it on and hit play. They were like messages from his wife talking about how he was a good man and like – it made me terrified. I was like, let's just get me home. This guy is sitting in here just like listening to his wife pump him up with his 12 boys in the woods. Yeah. Oh, my God.

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That's so sweet of her to make all that. Why did he need it, though? That's what it was like. It seemed like the tires were about to fall off.

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That's crazy, dude. I almost got sent home from that camp too because I pulled a knife on a kid. Not for real. No, of course not. But I had that, you know, when you're that age and you have your little knives, your little Boy Scout knives, you're constantly playing with it.

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And I guess this other troop walked past us and I had pulled that knife out and they thought I was like fucking threatening someone. And I had to go into the office and explain myself, you know, and I got my knife taken away for the rest of the week.

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The unknown. It was the best. I grew up in Virginia, and it was a neighborhood that was brand new. It was in the 80s. And like – so it was all woods and stuff and all construction. It was all like they were just building one of those big subdivisions. And we were like one of the first houses in there. And so me and my friends would just have like the run of that place.

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I mean we were constantly doing that. But there was like this one construction site. And we were young. This was probably like fourth or fifth grade. We would just like go there at nighttime and just like take all their lumber and their shit and go make ramps and go build tree houses and stuff. There was this one house that we kept doing it to, and it was a construction site.

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We built like a tree fort with all the wood, and I guess the guys who were building the house found out where it was at, and we came out to our tree fort, and they had like ripped everything down. They had like taken it all down. So then that next day, we went to that place, and we fucking destroyed that house. We took cinder blocks and threw it through the walls.

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We were like these fourth graders thinking we're just going to show these guys what's up. Wow. There's some – family that has to stay just no sense but it was like we took it personal like we stole that lumber fair and square like these mother they're good on our on our diamond back uh you know freestyle bikes our bmx bikes just thinking we run we ran that shit yeah

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They have no concept of like someone's paid money for this. Someone's waiting to move their family in. It just is looked at as like this doesn't matter. No one lives here, so we can do what we want. God, those are the best times, man.

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It's pure cock. There's some variable settings on there too, I think, where you can kind of change what nasty stuff you put. That's the PG end right there. That's just your light. The other end is where you get the dick right there.

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So this is where you find a suspect like that. Yeah. And then the other one's where you embarrass him.

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Yeah, you're welcome. I think you could use that. Anytime anyone's talking too much in here, you just throw one of those across their forehead and it'll shut them up fast.

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I sense it with my kids. When I was living out here in Los Angeles, like we lived up off of Mulholland. And my son was like – he was like in kindergarten. He's starting to like – he's like, I want to learn to ride a bike. And I'm like, why? You're never going to be able to like ride a bike up here on Mulholland. And I started seeing that.

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I'm like, oh, he's not going to have the same experiences I had, that level of freedom of just kind of like coming home from school, dropping your book bag off and just like taking off until the sun went down. And that stuff is important, that little bit of independence. I kind of kept feeling like every time he –

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got to play with somebody there was always like me and my wife having to like orchestrate it and sit there in the background watching them play and you know yeah and i that was kind of one honestly like the main reason why i wanted to move back to the south is i just kind of want to go somewhere where he could uh you know unleash he could get on a bike and have a little bit of freedom and kind of have that you know it feels like you can always move to the big city but it's definitely harder if you're a city boy to kind of like go back you know go somewhere small so i kind of wanted them to have a little bit of that

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of that sort of life, a little taste of that, you know, and, uh, you know, because like you said, it goes by quick, you know, it's pretty soon, you know, you can't just go destroy a construction site without ended up in prison. You know, I wanted him to be able to go destroy some sites and just get a slap on the wrist.

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I'd never even been to Nashville until we moved to Charleston. I think my wife and I were just like looking for what was a quick trip away. And Nashville is so close that we saw it. But I think it's fun down there. So Chattanooga, though, I got to check that out.

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I love Civil War stuff too. I grew up in – after we left California, I grew up – I spent most of my time in Fredericksburg, Virginia. So there's a ton of Civil War stuff there. Yeah. My backyard, I'd find like Civil War bullets and stuff. I mean we were all – that stuff loomed heavily over my childhood just because it was so close. I mean I even have a buddy –

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That his old man would put on night vision goggles and go out to the National Park battlefields and go metal detecting because that's a federal crime. You're not allowed to go do that shit. And he would go out there and just like outrun those park rangers and just get bullets and bayonets and all this stuff. We'd always like play around with all that stuff in his garage. It's kind of amazing.

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It is. My buddy who still lives back there, I went to go visit him a few years ago and we were supposed to catch up. In Virginia? In Virginia. We were going to catch up downtown for a few beers and he's like, hey man, come back behind the high school here. I want to show you something. It's like, Here we go.

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But I went back behind the school and we kind of like walk down to the woods and we come down there and he's found this place that he's like completely like roped off like it was an archaeological dig site. I'm like, what the fuck is going on back here? And he's like, man, I think I found like an old Indian camp here. And he started showing me all this shit that he had found. It was like.

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weird like pottery and arrowheads and all this stuff and it was amazing you found on his own and he was just like yeah man if you there's so much of that stuff here that basically if you just like look for some place that had like access to water and had a lot of sunlight during the course of the day that nine times out of ten somebody would have saw that as a place to set up camp and you start digging around and it's all under there and like yeah it was it was cool but it made me start looking at everywhere a little differently you know it's cool yeah

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Oh, you were just trying to make a sequel to Stand By Me? Just trying to find? I guess. Browers, Flowers, whatever the fuck his name was. Yeah.

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In Virginia, sorry. Yeah, Virginia. I was born in Georgia, and then we actually spent a few years after that. My dad was a guard in the prison at Lompoc in Lompoc, California. So I lived for a few years on the prison reservation right outside of the prison where all the people lived whose parents worked in the prison.

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Yeah. Well, you know, like I said, my wife is from Los Angeles. She grew up here, so she had never really lived outside of California. And. I liked L.A. I liked living here. I had a blast. But yeah, once I had kids, it wasn't like I thought they would have like a terrible childhood growing up here.

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But I just knew that there were going to be certain things that they wouldn't be exposed to that I just thought would be useful for them to be exposed to. And my wife and I, we headed down to Charleston for a long weekend to kind of like just take a look at it without the kids and just sort of like, could we do this? Like, could we make a run at this? What are we going to do?

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And we had looked at some houses and then we were kind of sitting in this bar and just having a drink, kind of like writing down on a napkin, like the pluses and minuses, like how realistic it would be.

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And I remember looking out the window and there was like a group of probably, you know, 10 kids, like probably between the ages of like seven and 15 on skateboards and bikes and jean shorts, no shirts, carrying fishing poles, not a parent in sight. And I was like, yeah, we got to move here. Like, this is like exactly what I want our kids to be able to do is just that I want them to be able to like,

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be free to kind of like explore the world and to see things without having to worry about them so much. And so that was cool. And I mean, my kids are just, I don't know, my daughter is like insanely funny. She's like, she's 10 years old and she is, I mean, like, I mean, honestly, like before she even talked, she was giving people the bird, flicking people off.

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Like I, I, I challenge, I channel her. in that character Judy, the sister in Righteous Gemstones.

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I do. I channel my daughter in that a lot of times.

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She's the most talented. She's the best. Edie's amazing. That's so funny that you would channel even like a child. Yes. And Edie and my daughter have a very special relationship. Edie calls it that they're in the bad girls club. And so every time Edie talks to my daughter, she'll be like, bad girls club. And Pina will give her a high five.

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But, yeah, my daughter came by the set this year, and there was a dead body on the set, not a real one. And there was, like, fake blood, and she was, like, kind of obsessed with, like, what is this? There's fake blood? Like, what is that? And I started realizing, oh, man, yeah, she doesn't have any concept of what this is or what I do when I leave.

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And she kind of got really obsessed with this idea of fake blood. And our props master gave her this big tub of like fake movie blood. Oh, that's great. And she uses it all the time. Really? She'll call us in and she'll be like laying in the shower with like blood coming out of her belly button and out of her neck and pretending to be – she's a sicko.

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what all the like prison family like you uh those children all types of uh i bet it's pretty diverse over there was it it was pretty tough crowd uh yeah it was crazy and uh i lived there then my dad got transferred to the federal bureau of prisons in dc and so that's when we moved to virginia Is it scary being this child of somebody that works at a prison? Like what's that kind of energy like?

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I'm pissed off. And then look, you got older and you did that to other people by telling people Jay Leno was dead. You you you helped spread that trauma.

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Oh, that's a bummer.

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Is that why you have that Michael Landon cutout there?

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I loved Highway to Heaven.

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Yeah, that's very you. I think we could do that. I could see you being Michael Land. I think we could. Let's redo Highway to Heaven. That's the next thing. Let's do it, dude. We'll call Highway to Hell. How about that? Yeah, dude. It'll be just one off round. Yeah, we just meet people and ruin their lives. That's what we do.

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He's so awesome. Yeah, he seems so interesting. Yeah, and that little turn he had in Long Legs last year, I mean, how scary is that? Dark arts. Dark arts, yes. Satan shit.

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You know what I'm saying? That's definitely what I think. When I look at the state of the world, I feel like what the world needs now is more devil.

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Man, I don't think I have ever – I mean I think growing up without any money, it's like the moment you get your hands on some, you just try to suck it away because you're thinking they're coming to take it at any moment. Oh, yeah. So I haven't – I need to start being a little bit more ambitious with my spending though and just relax a little bit probably.

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You don't think we'll ever see each other again? Is this it?

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You know what? I didn't really kind of get it until like – I mean this is like – I'm talking like real little. Like I moved out of there and we were like in kindergarten.

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No, I think I'm going to take a little bit of a break. I mean I – like I said earlier, like my hobby is basically writing and creating. So I'm sure I won't stop that. But it takes a lot to make something like this, gemstones. I've been on this now for seven years of working on this thing full time. I'm looking forward to just chilling out for a little bit and spending time with the fam.

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But as soon as you start doing that, then you'll get an idea for something else. And so I feel like I'll always want to make stuff. But it's also good to just enjoy your life a little bit too and not be so worried all the time about what's going to be next and just kind of take it easy.

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Yeah.

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You said about your daughter, what about your son? My son, he's just gotten into lacrosse, you know, Tony Cavalero, actually he's, uh, he's helped us out. He's a Tony Cavalero is a big deal in the lacrosse world. I don't know if you knew this. I didn't know that at all. Yeah. He's a big deal. And, uh, my son, uh, has shown an interest in it.

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I can remember though one night the alarms going off and like my dad came in and like rounded me and my sister up. We had to go into their bedroom and shut the door and I like looked out the window and it was just my dad with the shotgun going outside, jumping in the back of a pickup truck with all my friend's dads. There was like a prison break and they were going to go –

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So Tony is like kind of pushed us in the right direction of getting him into a cool team and, uh, That lacrosse shit is pretty cool, man. I've been with him through all his different interests of sports from baseball to football. You go on to those little parks and rec teams, and it's always just some kid's dad coaching. The lacrosse shit, though, is like the coaches are young.

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They're like athletes right out of college. I feel like the kids just respond to them in a different way than they do somebody's dad. It's cool. It's good to watch.

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And then I watched it. I'm like, this shit is hardcore. I mean, they like knock each other down on the ground, hit each other with these sticks. And I was surprised my son was even into it. I saw him getting out there swacking people. I'm like, oh, damn, here we go. Yeah.

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I don't know, man. I think that the stick is pretty cool. But, you know, you got those pads. The gear is pretty awesome. But, I mean, it is a pretty rough and tumble sport. Is there ever moments – And you can. Like that. You just knock the shit out of people and knock them on the ground. And you see kids doing that. You see them doing it. And you're like, oh, you're allowed to do that.

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They don't stop it or anything. That's like part of the game. It's kind of – it's pretty badass.

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Look at that. I've seen a 10-year-old do that to another 10-year-old.

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Totally. Yeah, you start trying to think. I mean, you know, parents are probably – The worst thing you can do is kind of like always push your kids into what you're into and expect that – using their childhood as a way to kind of like work out all your demons. It's like I try not to do that with my kids. Like I don't even think my kids even like movies.

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It's like I've tried to like have movie nights with them and stuff and they're like, yeah, we're good. They don't – They don't see it. You're like, you're part of that dying art form. I got no interest. I want to watch Mr. Beast. I want to watch them Beast Squid Games. Yeah, dude. That shit is pretty good, some of it. It is good. I like all that shit that they watch. I think it's fun.

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There's that one kid – His name is Ryan Trainor or something. He's he does like the stuff where he has like 10 cents and he tries to like make money to get across the country. I haven't seen him pull him up. Ryan Trainor. I think that's his name. But I like this stuff, dude. I like watch. I'm like, no wonder y'all aren't watching movies, man. You guys are you guys have this all dialed in.

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Yeah, he'll he'll like start with like a penny and like figure out a way to get across the country with just starting with that.

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I know. It takes a different type of brain to do that. That's what they like though I think. I mean he watches kids play video games. I try to get my head around that. I'm like, but you know what? I do remember being a kid like over at your friend's house, sitting around the couch, watching somebody try to beat a game. And this shit was fun.

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Pretty specific, yes.

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That's why they got that blockbuster still in business, man. They needed it.

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I think movies needed it. I do. I think that like when you have access to all of it, it makes all of it not that special.

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and i think weirdly there was something about like if you went to the video store and you wanted to see a movie and it wasn't in it made you instantly think that that movie was a bigger deal than anything and then like when you finally got it you would have all this other stuff invested in like you know wow i'm so lucky i got under siege it's here it's in my house steven seagal was he in that he was yeah yeah dude van damme when i was growing up that was blood sport

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I can't believe that that's a genre that doesn't really exist. You're just like, are there no 20-year-olds who know martial arts that are good-looking, that can just whip ass and be action heroes? What is going on? People don't want to see that anymore?

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I don't know, dude.

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That looks like me after I've watched some of them diabetes films.

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Just low bass for no reason.

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Yeah. That's how it was in my high school too. It was like all the – you could count that any kid who had like the shittiest car would have just straight up stadium speakers in the back. Unreal. Every screw rattling in the car.

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uh man you know i do like it i think it's fun you know what's fun about it man is like you know i try to stay in pretty involved in my kids lives like i don't want to uh i know it goes by quick and i don't want to like miss it all and then have all these regrets you know when my kids don't want to talk to me when they're all grown i take try to take my kids to school every morning uh

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But you know what? It was fun as they got into school, like going back, like walking in for a parent-teacher conference and having to sit in those little chairs and talk to the teacher and be like, I forgot all about this shit. And you just remember all these feelings and emotions of what comes around with the first day of school. And I don't know.

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It's kind of – and then just seeing childhood from this side of it and you kind of also realize how short it is. When I was a kid, I thought my parents' whole existence started when I began and That was their whole life. And then you kind of realize, man, that time period was just a blink in the eye for them. And it's the same. I feel like it goes by so quick. My son's like 13.

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He's going to be in eighth grade next year. And I already find myself just getting sappy and sad, just like, it's been a good run. I've really enjoyed raising you.

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They don't need you as much. I mean, already now it's like we, at nighttime, you know, we'll all sit down to hang and he'll be upstairs on the game or talk with his friends. You kind of, it happens quick. Damn. Yeah.

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Yeah, it does hurt a little bit, but you also, it's good. You know, you want him to be independent. You don't want him just sitting there trying to suck off the teat, you know, for too long.

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You need him to kind of get out there and want to spread those wings.

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Who hasn't, man? Rob somebody? Yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm not even talking about a corporation. I'm talking about just some sucker walking down the street with a nice watch on.

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Well, I think after this wonderful conversation, I feel like you'd be game. I'd bring you in. I'd bring Tony Cavallaro in. Maybe you guys could confuse people by them not knowing who's who. That could be a good distraction. I'd take the whole gang of righteous gemstones in there, man. Even John Goodman, he can throw down. I think we could take anybody. We'd take all that money.

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Well, he beat all that fat he had. Yeah, he did. He beat the shit out of that. He sure did. And John is such a massive dude. He's so tall.

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Yeah, he's in a towering presence.

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I grew up always loving him, always. And it was insane to be able to get to work with him on this show. It'll be one of the things I'll miss the most about making this show was getting to see him every season.

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Yeah, he was great.

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He just – I mean you look at him. It's like he was making TV shows when TV wasn't cool and he would still be able to go pop in and work with the Coen brothers. And he just was doing his own thing and been doing it for this long and always funny, always good. I mean he never shows up in something and it's not impressive. And yeah, it's funny.

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Like even being an actor and looking around, you look at it and you're like most people have maybe a handful of years in them. Like you look at people and you really do. Like I would think about actors that I saw in movies when I was a kid and you'd kind of be like, oh, man, what happened to that person? And you'd kind of look at their filmography and you're like, oh, man, most people only have a –

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span of a few years, maybe even a decade, and then they kind of disappear.

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Yeah. But you look at a guy like Goodman and how long he's been working and you realize that's no easy feat in that he stays relevant and he stays good and the stuff he chooses is cool and the roles he plays are cool. It's admirable.

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Oh, I like your TV picks, dude. You're an In the Heat of the Night guy and Highway to Heaven guy.

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So which cemetery is this? Is that Hollywood Forever Cemetery?

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That's what's so crazy about L.A. is I feel like L.A. has done a really shitty job of maintaining the history of this place. I feel like every time I tried to rent an apartment back in the day, everyone would tell you, like, oh, Charlie Chaplin lived down the street. Charlie Chaplin was here. But you realize this shit is – it is –

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These people mean something to people and the idea that like so much gets built and torn down. Like I feel like you look at Hollywood Boulevard. You're like, man, this should just be like colonial Williamsburg. This should be some shit where you just walk in and it looks exactly like it used to back in the day. That's a great point.

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It's like this is such a unique – there's such a unique history to this place that it's kind of sad that all you can do is – go to a little cemetery to go see these things. It'd be kind of cool if you could walk in the same bars and restaurants they did.

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I think in the day, everyone's just trying to survive. But now when you kind of look back at what Hollywood is, you're like, wow, there's some pretty influential things and people that have been around here. And some of these places that people take for granted are – they have like cultural and historical significance. Fuck.

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It was cool that you knew where to find those rejects.

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He's a good – he's a sweet man. I really – he'll be like another one that I'll miss seeing him every year. He's so awesome.

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Yeah, everything is like back to normal. It's all – yeah, but hopefully I get to keep in touch with a lot of these people.

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Walton Goggins and Edie Patterson. I met them on Vice Principals and both of them are like two of my closest friends.

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Yeah, so hopefully I'll get to keep in touch with these people. We played a family. Maybe we need to act like one. Yeah. I like that challenge.

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You could probably get fake hands with two middle fingers still if you wanted to, I bet.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I feel like with the state of the world, we all definitely need more middle fingers. Yeah.

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Yeah. Like when we shot Vice Principals, Walton Goggins and like Busy Phillips, they were on there and they were all – they were involved with social media and they were kind of telling me, you got to get in there. It's awesome. And so I like had an Instagram account for like a matter of a few months and was like, fuck this. Yeah.

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I felt like it was a gateway for just crazy people to be able to reach out and touch. So, yeah, it just wasn't that. I don't know. It wasn't my deal. Some people I know are amazing at that stuff. But, yeah, it just didn't feel like a natural fit for me.

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I liked it. I liked it purely. The only thing I miss about is I like seeing bum fights. I like seeing, uh, all the schoolyard fights. Uh, that was, I like seeing fights. That's what I like to see on there.

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I just feel like – I feel like if you're creative, being bored is good sometimes, right? And I feel like sometimes with these phones, with all this information all the time, it – Your brain is just constantly occupied by other people's noise.

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And so I felt like when I kind of turned that stuff off, I just felt like there was all of this noise that just went away and that all my stupid ideas could flourish. I can make jokes about noodles. Anything was possible.

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Yeah, no, it totally does. I feel like you'll see people on there that are going on these beautiful vacations. You're like, damn. How do they know to go to these places? I don't know this. Like you start comparing all these things in your world to what you see there. I mean I'm not someone who's like – I'm not against it all.

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I think that there's also awesome stuff with just anyone being able to have a voice and anyone being able to reach people that have – what's it called? But yeah, I think for me, I just kind of – I saw that it probably wasn't going to be the best thing for me, so I just didn't participate.

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I'm waiting for it to go extinct and I don't think it ever will. So now I'm just – I'm like the Amish, man. I'm just pretending like none of these advancements are there, dude. I'm just in my house making rocking chairs and selling taffy.

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Do you have some good hobbies actually? You know, I need to get some hobbies. I don't have good hobbies. I think my hobbies were always like making stuff. Like when I was a kid, I'd make movies or write stuff. And then once that became my job, then people are like, what are you into? It's like, I guess just my job is what I'm into. But that's what's beautiful about Charleston.

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You already filmed a few of these today, or is this just am I the only lucky guy today? Only guy. Look at us. This is amazing. So thank you for your time. Yeah, kidding me. We good? Sick. Is this going to have where all of our lines are, what we have to say in the interview? That'll be up there? Yeah. That'd be so good.

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You can get on that water. You can get outside. And so that stuff is great. Yeah.

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I think he's evolved past grades, right? He's never going to have to learn anything. He's just going to be able to do whatever he wants in this world, I think.

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Yeah, that's true. My son watches all this stuff. So he keeps me up to date on who's who. The Rizzler, you know, he shows me the ways.

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Oh, that's great. Yeah, I have some buddies who I think – Steve Little was in it. Yes, yes. That's great. Did you guys have fun with him?