Daniel Pink

You have to be very clear about what do you care about? And what I care about is doing stuff that I find interesting. That's it. And so I'm not trying to build a giant enterprise. I don't care if I have people reporting to me or not. I just want to work on cool stuff. I want to make stuff, put it out in the world. That's it. That's a hard gig. So don't waste your money, you know?

You have to be very clear about what do you care about? And what I care about is doing stuff that I find interesting. That's it. And so I'm not trying to build a giant enterprise. I don't care if I have people reporting to me or not. I just want to work on cool stuff. I want to make stuff, put it out in the world. That's it. That's a hard gig. So don't waste your money, you know?

It's just a refurbished garage. You can see here.

It's just a refurbished garage. You can see here.

It's a great question. And I think that when I was much younger, I don't know whether I would have listened. And that bugs me. You know what I mean? And I don't think I'm alone in that necessarily. But bypassing that, I think it would be like, no one is thinking about you. No one is watching you. No one is evaluating you. I think a lot of times in our early in our lives, we

It's a great question. And I think that when I was much younger, I don't know whether I would have listened. And that bugs me. You know what I mean? And I don't think I'm alone in that necessarily. But bypassing that, I think it would be like, no one is thinking about you. No one is watching you. No one is evaluating you. I think a lot of times in our early in our lives, we

are concerned about what other people think of us. And I certainly did. I certainly was concerned about that. And then eventually I discovered what people were thinking about me, which is that they weren't thinking about me. Nobody was thinking about me. They were thinking about themselves. And so there's a liberation in that.

are concerned about what other people think of us. And I certainly did. I certainly was concerned about that. And then eventually I discovered what people were thinking about me, which is that they weren't thinking about me. Nobody was thinking about me. They were thinking about themselves. And so there's a liberation in that.

I mean, first of all, most people aren't thinking about you. They really are not. And if they are, who cares? You know, they don't know you. They don't necessarily have your best interest in mind. So who cares? There's a danger in living someone else's life. There's a big danger in that. And I think people do it and they do it in a unintentional way.

I mean, first of all, most people aren't thinking about you. They really are not. And if they are, who cares? You know, they don't know you. They don't necessarily have your best interest in mind. So who cares? There's a danger in living someone else's life. There's a big danger in that. And I think people do it and they do it in a unintentional way.

If you say intentionally, I want to live the life that my mother wants for me or my father wants for me or whatever. In some ways, I'm okay with that. But I think what people do is they do that unintentionally. They do it kind of passively. They do it as a default.

If you say intentionally, I want to live the life that my mother wants for me or my father wants for me or whatever. In some ways, I'm okay with that. But I think what people do is they do that unintentionally. They do it kind of passively. They do it as a default.

Bingo.

Bingo.

I've enjoyed the conversation. As I said, it was very therapeutic for me.

I've enjoyed the conversation. As I said, it was very therapeutic for me.

Well, once again, I've fallen down the trap of me-search because that's what this is again. So here's what happened. In 2019, I had one of those moments in life that you get to when you get to be my age. I'm in my 50s and I had a kid graduate from college. So that's kind of a jarring experience because you wonder like, how did that kid grow up so fast?

Well, once again, I've fallen down the trap of me-search because that's what this is again. So here's what happened. In 2019, I had one of those moments in life that you get to when you get to be my age. I'm in my 50s and I had a kid graduate from college. So that's kind of a jarring experience because you wonder like, how did that kid grow up so fast?

Well, once again, I've fallen down the trap of me-search because that's what this is again. So here's what happened. In 2019, I had one of those moments in life that you get to when you get to be my age. I'm in my 50s and I had a kid graduate from college. So that's kind of a jarring experience because you wonder like, how did that kid grow up so fast?

Well, once again, I've fallen down the trap of me-search because that's what this is again. So here's what happened. In 2019, I had one of those moments in life that you get to when you get to be my age. I'm in my 50s and I had a kid graduate from college. So that's kind of a jarring experience because you wonder like, how did that kid grow up so fast?