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And I think seeing the target of his former investigation tied into the corporate structure of a spy company that was operating in Greece kind of set off some red flags for him. And I believe that's what led him to go to the guys at Citizen Lab and ask them to check his phone.

And I think seeing the target of his former investigation tied into the corporate structure of a spy company that was operating in Greece kind of set off some red flags for him. And I believe that's what led him to go to the guys at Citizen Lab and ask them to check his phone.

It was kind of a rolling thing that just got bigger and bigger. There was all kinds of questions and rumors about who was behind the use of the Predator software in Greece and how it connected to the if you like, kind of quote unquote, like official phone tapping software. And this was puzzling, you know, why? You know, is it two different entities doing it?

It was kind of a rolling thing that just got bigger and bigger. There was all kinds of questions and rumors about who was behind the use of the Predator software in Greece and how it connected to the if you like, kind of quote unquote, like official phone tapping software. And this was puzzling, you know, why? You know, is it two different entities doing it?

Is it, you know, one entity doing it, but just doing it two different ways? Like what's going on there? And that was definitely a question that was in the Greek context that was troubling a lot of people.

Is it, you know, one entity doing it, but just doing it two different ways? Like what's going on there? And that was definitely a question that was in the Greek context that was troubling a lot of people.

ISS World is, you know, it's one of the kind of premier, maybe the premier surveillance technology conference. It happens a few times a year in different locations. There's one in Prague. It's showcasing everything from a large booth featuring hidden away in a kind of inner sanctum presentations of like NSO groups, Pegasus, phone hacking tech, all the way down to open source analytics suites.

ISS World is, you know, it's one of the kind of premier, maybe the premier surveillance technology conference. It happens a few times a year in different locations. There's one in Prague. It's showcasing everything from a large booth featuring hidden away in a kind of inner sanctum presentations of like NSO groups, Pegasus, phone hacking tech, all the way down to open source analytics suites.

I guess there's hidden camera stuff there, audio gathering stuff. But it's like the mecca of the highest end surveillance technology sales. You'll find exhibiting the world's most famous spyware companies like Intellexa, like Kandiru, like NSO Group.

I guess there's hidden camera stuff there, audio gathering stuff. But it's like the mecca of the highest end surveillance technology sales. You'll find exhibiting the world's most famous spyware companies like Intellexa, like Kandiru, like NSO Group.

Rayzone, Septier, yeah. I mean, they're not quite as famous as the others.

Rayzone, Septier, yeah. I mean, they're not quite as famous as the others.

Well, you know, they'll all tell you that they're above board and very clean. You know, that's a constant refrain of the industry. And, you know, it goes back to what we said earlier about like who do you sell to and what are they using it for? And indeed, to the question of like, do these guys even know? Do these companies even know? Can they know?

Well, you know, they'll all tell you that they're above board and very clean. You know, that's a constant refrain of the industry. And, you know, it goes back to what we said earlier about like who do you sell to and what are they using it for? And indeed, to the question of like, do these guys even know? Do these companies even know? Can they know?

A lot of them will say that they're very careful about who they sell to, but oh, well, we can't actually monitor what they do with it.

A lot of them will say that they're very careful about who they sell to, but oh, well, we can't actually monitor what they do with it.

Um, there was a, there was a document that leaked online right after that conference. Let's see what it was. Um, this was, um, a predator package for, uh, 10, 10 targets at once, a hundred, a hundred successful infections, but 10 running at the same time, one click infection, $8 million. That was the price tag.

Um, there was a, there was a document that leaked online right after that conference. Let's see what it was. Um, this was, um, a predator package for, uh, 10, 10 targets at once, a hundred, a hundred successful infections, but 10 running at the same time, one click infection, $8 million. That was the price tag.

The Cessna was kind of key to our reporting because, you know, we found out about the Cessna through researching, you know, the company and the people in the company and what they were doing and where they were going. And that led us to the Cessna.

The Cessna was kind of key to our reporting because, you know, we found out about the Cessna through researching, you know, the company and the people in the company and what they were doing and where they were going. And that led us to the Cessna.