Coleman Hughes
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The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
Yeah, my pleasure.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
Yeah, absolutely. That's the first thing to keep in mind. As you know, and many people in your audience know, the standard for convicting someone is a reasonable doubt, which basically means there has to be no other reasonable explanation for what happened other than Chauvin murdering Floyd.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
For me, the biggest red flag in this case on the reasonable doubt issue was just the fact that the official autopsy conducted by Dr. Andrew Baker had a theory of Floyd's death that did not implicate Chauvin. This is what people didn't really appreciate, I think, at the time, and people still don't really appreciate. There were two different theories of why George Floyd died.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
One was positional asphyxia, meaning He wasn't able to breathe essentially because of all the weight on top of him. And that would be Chauvin's fault if that were true. But the other theory was that he was so stressed physiologically by the entire situation. His heart rate was was the demand on his heart was such that he basically his heart gave out because of his
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
serious underlying heart conditions, plus all the drugs in his system. So on that theory, it was really the stress of the arrest in general and not the weight on top of him that killed him. And that was the theory of the official autopsy. That's right there. That should be reasonable doubt in my view.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
So there was no physical evidence. That's why the prosecution brought in a pulmonologist, meaning a doctor who studies lungs, to kind of create a theoretical model of how George Floyd might have died from positional asphyxia. And that's fine. The prosecution's allowed to do that. You can bring in a lung expert. You can say, here's how here's this other theory of how he might have died.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
But that doctor didn't provide any evidence that refuted the official autopsy and the official autopsy. It's not just that positional asphyxia, like sort of like what was a little bit there. It just wasn't there at all. Dr. Baker, who did the official autopsy, he had a chance to explain himself multiple times publicly.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
in trial, and he was very clear that he attributed Floyd's death to the stress of the overall interaction and the demands it made on his heart. He didn't a single time mention Floyd's difficulty breathing. And his specialty as a forensic pathologist is determining cause of death, right? So the guy who's paid by the state to figure out what killed Floyd.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
His theory was not that it was Chauvin's weight on his back. And the reason this was important is in the conclusion of the trial, the prosecution essentially had to reject that theory. They rejected the theory of their own uh, their, their own, um, pathologist because they knew it didn't, uh, implicate Floyd, right.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
They didn't implicate Chauvin rather, but if you actually look into it, they had no reason to reject it. There was nothing. There was no other evidence at trial that found a problem with the autopsy. The autopsy was very reasonable and it just didn't implicate Chauvin.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
Yeah, so obviously my position on this has been controversial and I've been going back and forth with people on the various trial details. The one argument I've made that no one has even tried to argue against is that Chauvin did not have a fair trial because
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
It's just impossible to argue that he got a fair shake when you consider the fact that, first of all, several jurors, alternate jurors and seated jurors, said that they were afraid what would happen for their personal safety and to the you know, the general, the safety of the city if Chauvin were acquitted, right?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
Right there, it's very difficult to be unbiased when you're afraid for your own safety. These jurors knew that their names would come out some months after the trial. And in fact, their names did come out some months after the trial. So imagine being in their position in Minneapolis thinking, OK, if I think this guy was innocent, what's going to happen to me and my family?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
It only takes one crazy person to really destroy your life. And all of those feelings of fear, if you remember at the time how much violence there was in the country in 2020, it's incredibly difficult to put that out of mind when you're in the middle of a trial.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
You add to that the fact that, yeah, as you said, one juror was found at a protest with a T-shirt that said, get your knee off our necks before the trial. Obviously, that information didn't come out until after the trial. And another juror was found with a BLM sign in his window. The New York Times published a few months after the trial.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
These are not people I would say would be unbiased jurors on a case that's literally about whether someone's knee was on a neck. And about very much about a BLM related issue. So you put all that together and there's no way that Chauvin got a fair trial. I think, Ben, you went to law school.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
If you had that as a case study in a law school classroom with the names changed and the topic changed, is there any chance that anyone in class would defend that as a fair trial?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
So I hope we're on a better track now. What's really important is that people don't judge these police incidents based on a 30 second or even a nine minute video. That's the most important thing people have to learn in our social media age is that it's incredibly easy to lie with videos and that a video actually does not tell you the whole story.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
For example, the other important point on Chauvin we haven't talked about is that The whole media allowed us to believe that Chauvin invented this knee on the neck technique because he's some kind of psychopath or something. In fact, it was a trained technique.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
And there is literally a picture from Minneapolis police training material showing how you're supposed to put a knee on the back of the neck in certain scenarios. Not only that, they didn't allow the jury to see that picture in the trial.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
So they essentially allowed the jury and definitely allowed the American public to believe that Chauvin was inventing this kind of technique that admittedly looks really rough from the point of view of a non-policeman. But this was a trained technique. They were trained to do this in many scenarios. They were trained that if a suspect is talking, then they're breathing, right?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
They are literally trained that people lie about medical emergencies to get out of arrest all the time, which is true. And that as long as they're talking, they're breathing. Floyd was talking for five minutes, right? He was talking almost up until he lost consciousness, right?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
So I think what people have to learn from the Floyd incident is don't do what Stephen A. Smith did and just bury your head in the sand and say, I saw a video that upset me, therefore it's wrong. actually take the time to learn more about what happened. And then just, yeah, just don't be misled by 30-second clips on social media. That's what led to the BLM era.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
That's what led to the decline in race relations. It's just people jumping to assumptions based on very limited sets of information.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2167 - MORE TRUMP WINNING: NPR CEO IMPLODES, MS-13 Head ARRESTED
Thanks, Ben.