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Appearances
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
They look for ones who understand that. They're a unit. You are a thankless job. You make one bad play, and that's the only time you'll ever be talked about, even though you have a 99% success rate. That is how it works.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I just mean personality-wise. He has the personality of an offensive lineman.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I'm telling you now I'm not watching a lot of Nuggets games. I see them when they're in the playoffs like everybody else. But the ratings say that that makes sense.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
That is not true. We open this with who's better, Michael Jordan or Jokic. And it's crazy that I said Michael Jordan. Now I'm insane. Because I fell for the Nike marketing since I've been six? Mike Ryan just said of Jokic, be better. No, I said of the sport, be better. Okay. You're putting a lot of words in a lot of mouths today, Dave.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
But when you watch it, it is not exciting the way that we've been taught to be excited about people playing basketball. That's why Michael Jordan has that kind of thing over him is because we had never seen somebody move like that on a basketball court. About Larry Bird. Also boring.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Can we go back and check the tape again of when I already said that I'm the one who brought it up and that you're the one who called them boring? Run that tape back. I couldn't even remember it. Dan had me so flustered with the fact that he was giving it to me that I'm the one who brought up Larry Bird. I had no idea who even brought it up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
They were connected by a walk bridge. He went... one building to the next and I don't know pores now?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
How are all these people getting this much money, bro? This NIL market, it seems like it resets every four months. Let me go test it out, bro. I'm going to go test it out, bro. Let me go back to college. I'm going back to college, bro. Let me see if I can get me a hundred million. We'll see what your NIL value is. Yeah, let me see. Let me see my NIL value, bro.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Let me see if I can go back and, you know, win another Heisman. Because $10 million, I ain't make that in college. Right. Let me negotiate. Let me go get on the phone and say, hey, Travis, I'm going to hit the quarter right quick, bro. $10 million, bro? I mean, it's not accurate. I know that, but still, bro. Right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
This feels like every music biopic for music artists when at the point they like, wait a minute, let me see that contract. And it's like way too late. He's like, I wasn't getting that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
That's crazy. I love it. Give guys all the eligibility. Let them just keep playing. It's professional football now. Let's see these long careers. Let's see these 10-year careers.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Do you think he stays the quarterback there next year if he stayed at Texas? No, he definitely wasn't gonna play again at Texas.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I would tell college players the same thing I tell all my nieces and nephews. Stay in college as long as you can. The real world is not the business, man. It's a great place. College is awesome.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I'm just talking about life. In totality, I think it's all. I'd maximize it all. I would put some bread up. I would put a lot of money up to go back and do it again.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
What hurt me was my coaches sucked. They kind of sucked. And I wasn't being showcased or anything like that, but it weirdly helped me because when it was time to get to the NFL, there was no history on me. So there was no like, oh, you know, you had these injuries and this and this. You didn't do this versus this. Nobody scouted me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
So it was a blank slate, which helped me actually get my opportunity. That's very weird. Right. But that is the truth.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
You already started it. It's the truth. How about Mike Patton? I'm sorry. Said that he sucked. You know, it was very much like... I did everything I was supposed to do. I worked my butt off and you know, you feel crazy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
This is why I'm so like, you feel crazy when you go through something and you have a confidence about yourself and you work at it and you feel like, man, I feel like I'm good, but everything around me says otherwise. So then when life happens and you were the one who was effing right,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Then, yeah, I don't give those people a pass because I felt like a lunatic at that time that I could play in the NFL. And they told me I was a lunatic and people told me I was crazy. And then I'm here and it's like, oh, you persevered. It's like kiss my ass. All right. Because those were hard years. So, no, I don't give those guys a pass because I knew what it was then.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
And I felt like they knew, too. But yet I had to go the track that I had.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I like Pettin. Pettin was a good dude.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
No. He was a defensive coach, and he was more focused there. We had Kyle Shanahan. You had Kyle and Mike McDaniels. Who was like, yeah, we're running the offense. And Pettin was like, all right, cool. There's that viral clip of him suggesting an offensive play one time, and Kyle looks at him like... Why are you talking to me? That was kind of what it was with Petten.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Petten was a great guy, great coach, more on the defense than the offensive side. I enjoyed Petten. We weren't very successful. We worked for like 10 games. We went 7-4, which was significant in Cleveland.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Then we put in Johnny and, you know, we made a documentary.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
5'7", 171. What are we missing here? Are you blind?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Renfro? Renfro's a beast, bro.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Don't disrespect Renfro.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Okay. I'm not going to argue anybody who says I'm better, but Renfro was... Renfro? I like him. Boring.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Those guys aren't boring.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Boring. Welker's film is who I watch the most getting to the NFL.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Welker is actually, to me, even more underrated than what people say. They talk about Welker. I don't think people actually understand how incredible he was from a technique perspective and all things. That's why he's a great coach. I used to study his film religiously. Like every catch, every route, I would have them. My brother would get it from the Patriots.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
They would send it to me, and I'm in Canada, and I'm breaking down literally everything. I stole so much from Welker.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
You have to learn the footwork, yes, but if you're not that quick. No, I mean the quickness, whatever your ability is is your ability, right? But it's not like you get talent out of a Cracker Jack box, and because you have this talent, you get to be there. Wes Welker was extremely quick. But it's in the technique of what he does when he changes direction.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
It's understanding defensive rules, defensive back rules, and everything, and changing what you do in your route to deceive. So one thing that Welker would do, he was great with, we called it his eyes and his head, and when he's going right...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
The timing of when he turned his head left because he knew if the receiver sees me turn my head a certain way or my eyes a certain way within a route, they're going to change their hips. And then at this point, I'll be able to cut. I stole it all. I would make notes in literally every little piece of it. I don't think I would have made the NFL had I not had access to Wes Welker tape.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I get handed car keys at a valet. I get, you know, hey, will you put this? Do you guys have this in a size six? Is it because of how you dress? This is while I was in the NFL. Wow. This is how you can't enter through here. Really? Because I'm the starting wide receiver. Maybe you should call somebody.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Because you're in settings where it's like, oh, the so-and-so players are here, right? And so anybody who's not 6'6", 275 pounds, incredibly jacked, they must be here working. because this is the entrance where only players can come in. And so the 5'7 guy with a sweater pulling up in a 2006 Chevy Impala, they're just not gonna assume that, ah, here goes that superstar wide out that we got.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I'm standing in the front.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Hey, man. It's life, bro. I'm sorry.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Nah, don't apologize, man. This is how it works, man. It's okay. I put it more to the fact that I am a very relatable size. It's a car-stealing opportunity, is it not? Of course. I'm not saying I didn't think about it, Izzy. I'm just saying this is what happens. I just feel bad. Just making sure we're on the same page. Because of the racism. Because of the racism and all.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Hawk, man. A couple of D1 athletes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Hey, you and me. Where the hell did you just come from?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Yeah, it's an excellent question. I wanted the shower conversation you guys were having earlier. The most alone I've ever felt is my first day as a college football player in that locker room when I realized people just didn't go home and shower and we all had to kind of shower there. Also, Mike Florio, keep my head coach's name out your mouth. You're embarrassing yourself right now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Linking him to every job. All right, get out of here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Because it's the only way to push yourself. You have to have a healthy amount of ego. And everyone has their own opinion on what a healthy amount of ego is. When I saw Coach Hurley's thing, it didn't strike me at all. I loved it. That he said it out loud didn't surprise you? It does not surprise me that when you're in the heat of battle, that is your mindset about yourself.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I know the answers more than anybody else. Nobody does this thing better than me. I'm not surprised that that's the mindset. I'm surprised that his rage made him speak it. He's in that, he's locked in. It's like an actor who is method acting. Like I am in this character. This is who I am right now. So the fact that that is how he's approached every interaction at that stage does not surprise me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Whenever you're a character in a movie, it's, okay, this is who this person is. And when I am locked in, this is how I react. So you've heard of actors who now treat people on the set like the character would. They respond to everything, whether the camera's on or off. That's how I looked at Hurley, is that, yeah, I want this ref to talk to me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
And in this character that I'm in, in competition and being fierce, don't you ever look away from me. I'm the best.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Wow. That's where you give all the woos that you gave earlier about Larry Bird. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
That's a good question. I think Pete Carroll, I don't know why Pete Carroll doesn't quite get that level of respect. Well, he lost a Super Bowl single-handedly. It was a bad loss.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Are you saying that that's why he's not looked at that way? Or you're saying that that's an indicator that he's not at the level?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Yeah. D2 guy. I love that that Pete Carroll, what he's done with USC, obviously, like we don't talk about it as probably much as we should. But also Seattle, even the decision to even have Russell Wilson as your quarterback was a. tough decision to make in that situation. How old is he? Flynn had just got there with all the money they gave him.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Look at Hawkins, right on the money. I may not know poors, baby, but I know age.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I don't think you're doing a bit. I think you're just genuinely attacking the character of people within the room. That's number one. Number two, Izzy, it was asked in an NFL locker room. about if guys are naked going into the cold plunge in the hot tub, that is a findable offense in a locker room. Now, granted, it is a workplace and it's not Europe.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
So that's an important asterisk in the conversation. But if a guy got in the cold tub in the hot tub naked, they would be banned by the rest of the players. And it doesn't quite make sense because you're just wearing tights. It doesn't actually do anything different, but I just think the idea that it makes you feel like there's more germs entering if a naked body is going into those spaces.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I think I'm with him. I think I need my mind to be relaxed to say, okay, you at least washed something off and you got in with a clean body into the space. Otherwise, it feels like you're cleaning your body in the shared space.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Thoroughly. He has accused you of knowing not... My character is being assassinated. It's not just your character.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Would that make you happy? No, because then it feels like you're trying to do a photo shoot or something. The other thing that gets on my nerves at NFL locker rooms, and this is where you can't, you got to be naked.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
He was playing for the Indianapolis Colts. And he was naked in both the cold plunge and hot tub and refused to shower before, in the middle, or after. But I hate that NFL locker rooms have shared showers. It makes no sense. I think I've brought that up on this show before. These are billion-dollar organizations. We should not be showering like... It's 1920 in the military.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
You are so right about this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
It doesn't make any sense. These are like multi-millionaires who then have to all get naked and go into the same shower. There are times where guys share shower heads because there's not enough shower heads in visiting locker rooms.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
It's like, you're like, I have to go in? And then it's like, oh, you done? Okay, cool. And then you jump in because there's seven shower heads for 73 people. Oh. But it's ridiculous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Can I can I'm going to tell you exactly how this works. You go into a space. Let's say we're playing at the Buffalo Bills who have the worst visiting locker room in the NFL. half the shower heads don't work, and there's like nine, right? Again, there's 70 of us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
So either everybody showers one at a time, and we leave at four in the morning, or showers are just hitting the ground, and Deion Dawkins is on one side, Josh Allen is on the other. Careful, you're writing fan fiction right now. Soaking up, and then one gets in, leaves, basically you share and go back and forth. That can't be right. I'm telling you, bro.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
No, man. Half the time there's no hot water, Dan. It doesn't matter what temperature. This is literally almost like prison. It doesn't make any sense.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
They build new stadiums and facilities every year. And they have so many upgrades. They have... LED, LCD screens, video walls. Well, the visiting locker room is made bad on purpose, is it not? It's a home locker room, too. They do all these upgrades, but yet every single time, the shower heads are right next to each other with no curtain, no divider. I see your feet. Like, it's ridiculous, man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
No one listens to me, man. All right. Miami home locker room is the second worst thing about Miami.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
And the crazy part is, as you're saying it in this way where it sounds so ridiculous, it doesn't register in my brain as ridiculous because it literally is the reality. You lived it. You're just telling a fact.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
There's nobody – I can't think of anyone that was like, oh, they're too comfortable being nude in the locker room because you're there all day. It is what it is. There are people that are too comfortable in the shower. There's a protocol that needs to be followed. Like, for example, we're all in there naked. Everyone showers facing the wall. And then you got guys that'll shower facing out.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Like, that's just not – the protocol or FaceTiming in the shower. We have players who will be FaceTiming their wife or girl in the shower. And it's like, hey, man, we got to draw the line somewhere. This is not the proper place to be having a conversation with somebody else. This person was fined, no? Like, this can't happen on the regular. Nah, he was not fined. He was not fined.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
What was your question?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
No? Shermer was before me. Okay.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
Can we play for the people? I'm not also outing people that are too comfortable in the locker room. That's what you want me to do. I have avoided the question on purpose. Okay. I don't need their mentions to be blowing up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I'm trying to get the computers to take over. If I was to guess, I would say Shermer was 2011 to 2013.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
okay a couple of questions number one what did him walking into the stadium shirtless have to do with anything we were talking about guys who were comfortable with their nudity okay so there was a segue all right i didn't see the connection between that but you did understand all the pat schirmer questions you were getting for some reason it's a browns fan as much as he says he's not i know what's in his heart i know exactly where pat schirmer came from i was trying to move the conversation along and guess who brought it right back
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
So the lineman of the year award. First off, Deion Dawkins is, he's an interesting offensive lineman because he gives you receiver energy. And you don't typically, there are offensive linemen like that, but he is a very much like, hey, Look at me, you know, because that's how receiver is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
I'm very good. You know, look at my clothes. Look how dope I dress. I will take my shirt off. He wants the attention for how good he is. So this makes sense, and I'm okay with that. Another part of that that just came to me. Jokic is like an offensive lineman in the NBA. That is his personality. The way Jokic goes about his business life is like kind of the O-line.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower
That they're like, hey, it's a thankless job. I'm just here to do what I need to do. And then I'm going home to probably my farm or my tractors or my horses, which is kind of how offensive linemen are. It is so rare for an offensive lineman to seek attention. No, it's not. It doesn't come along with the territory. It's actually like when people scout offensive linemen,