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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
It's the Bill Simmons podcast. We have a ton of basketball coming up next with Zach Lowe. We're going to talk about Knicks Pacers game four. The Tyrese Halliburton is a superstar game, or at least a really good star. I wanted to use this opportunity at the top to talk to the Boston Red Sox owners. They won the title in 2018.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And it was right after he had another one run loss. And I think they've had 30. And Hench's response to the first question was almost 10 minutes long. It was one of the most incredible podcasting moments I've heard on the ringer. He's getting madder and madder as it's going, which is exactly how I felt.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Just that Christmas game, the highlights from the Christmas game over and over again. Look at what we had that two hours.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
So Philly never happens. Let's go there. Philly just never happens. Butler blows up Miami. Dame ruptures his Achilles. Boston chokes the first two games away. And then Tatum gets hurt for a year in game four. And then Indy knocks out a 64-win team that had home court advantage throughout the playoffs. So you stack all this stuff together. And it's a borderline miracle if you're the Knicks.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Not only were you able to keep your five guys healthy finally for the playoffs, that was the big fear. We're going to have Towns in April and May. We're going to have Inanobi in April and May. All the miles we're putting on Brunson and Bridges and Hart. All of them are healthy. Perfect situation. And they're down 3-1 to the Pacers.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And by the way, it's never going to get better for our situation than it is for them right now. I don't think. I think this is the moment. So that's one conversation.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
So I don't, I'm not as, I'm not as like, yeah, this is one of my favorite basketball playoff theories. And then one that I always think of is Spurs sons, 2008. When, um, that Duncan made that crazy. What was it like a one-legged three? It goes in a double overtime and the sons lose. And it was like, these teams are too close. They're not, they should have won game one.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Everybody who likes the Red Sox feel this year, they have this situation where they won't call up Roman Anthony, the best prospect in baseball. And they weren't calling up Marcelo Meyer either. But then Alex Bregman, who is the best hitter on the team, he gets hurt.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
They're not good enough to beat the Spurs five times. You beat them four. Five seems unrealistic.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Last year, didn't Jalen Brown hit that three in the corner to send an OT? Wasn't that game one?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And then it's like, all right, Celtics win that. Pacers have to beat them now five out of seven times. That's not happening. So you have that piece with the Knicks. So you have this missed opportunity where next year, I think Indiana's going to be better next year. They have ways to improve their roster. Other guys are going to be a year older. They'll re-sign Turner, I'm sure.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
He'll get, what, 22, 23 million?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Well, health standpoint, older, but this leads to the second thing I'm just wondering. Not doing the Windhorst fingers in the air, but just wondering.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Let's not do it. He's fine. He's a national treasure. Is Towns Brunson now a summer convo? of can these two guys, can you actually win four straight rounds if these are your two guys?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
When you think about how that Detroit series went, how they fell behind by 14 plus in the first five Boston games, and how Indiana has just flipped it and made it seem like it's just impossible for them to get stops if you're just running the ball and pushing the pace on them. And both guys seem better when the other guy isn't in.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Although there's also all these great stats when the two of them are out there together with the high screens that they can run. I just wonder, like, if you're the Knicks with how the league works these days, where you just decide in a year you hate your team, could this be an I hate my team situation? We got to do something? Or is this a, oh, we were right there.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
If we win game one, we go to the finals. Let's not panic. Let's just run it back.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
So they won't call up Anthony because there's some weird service time thing where if he wins rookie of the year or finishes second, he gets to lose a year of his service time, which makes it a year closer to him getting a giant free agent deal. And all of this would be fine.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Especially with OKC looming next year is probably even better than they are this year. And you weren't going to beat them this year.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I think I blocked that out of my mind.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I, you know, as you know, I've might've been on the trade machine looking around.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Bridges is in his last year next year and has a big extension coming, correct?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I, uh, I don't know is I, some of the stuff Shams puts out there. I'm a, I'm like, okay. Like, like the Yana stuff, he's open-minded. Like, it's like, that's not really a report. The stuff he had today is, about the Spurs are now looking aggressively at June, trying to figure out if they can be good right away, is stuff that you and I have both heard separately.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
If we were the fucking Pittsburgh Pirates, or if we were whatever the athletics are called, I think they're just called the athletics, or we were whatever other small market team. This team's in Boston. It's an absolute money machine. Who the fuck cares whether Roman Anthony is going to become a free agent year early?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Like, this is a thing that's out there and people... I think if you're looking at who's going to be the most interesting team this summer, they might be number one. They have all these picks. They realize... much like our beloved 2012 OKC when they were trying to extend. It really is like the windows now. We have Wemba Nyama.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Who knows if we're going to have him 7'7 upright with the history of tall guys. Who knows? Let's go for it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I just wonder, instead of Durant, who was in the 2007 draft, and has been around for a long, long time, is it make more sense to target somebody like Bridges? And then if you're the Knicks, could you send Bridges for picks and send those picks with Towns for Giannis and basically turn Towns and Bridges into Giannis? Would be my question.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I can't believe we're talking about this when the series is over. I was just thinking like, if you're looking for outs with that five, like if Giannis is really out there and you're the Knicks, you have to kick the tires on it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
If we were the, by the way, it's team been gutting today, giving his brother credit for creating VP of common sense. I almost tried to fight the TV. It's just, it was a personal attack. I did think to myself, I came up with that term. I wrote, I think I wrote an entire column about it for the ESPN, the magazine once. Running joke for 20 years.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I love Jeff Van Gundy, but he did not come up with that. Sorry, Stan. But anyway, if the Knicks were hiring us as VP of Common Sense, I would say run it back. Game one was a fucking watershed, crazy event. You can't overreact. You guys are right there. The East is going to be worse. Keep it together. But it's just interesting that we're even talking about possible alternatives. for them.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Meanwhile, he's had two homers just in the last three games and the Worcester baseball, their Twitter feed, they just shoot out these Roman Anthony homers where it's 115 miles an hour off the bat. So they lose another one run game today because they won't call him up and they've thrown away this season.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
But that's how traumatic this series has been. The Pacers had 113 points with nine minutes left in the game. At one point, it seemed like they were going to put a 140 on them. And the irony of Tibbs coaching a team like that, which by the way, that's maybe the other way this goes, is you think, I don't know if this is the right coach for this team.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I thought game three, he was great. I thought that was one of the better coach games of the playoffs.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
They won the World Series, the fourth World Series of this century from a baseball team. And then two years later, they traded Mookie Betts. in the most cowardly way. I think, I don't remember if COVID had started yet or it was about to start or whatever, but they, all of a sudden he's out. They got 5 cents on the dollar farm.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I was excited for a second.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I'm not sure he's solving all your issues. Is he that different? I don't know. We've never seen him coach without Jokic. I guess we had some brief Sacramento stuff that I barely remember.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
But I'm actually kind of attached to a lot of the guys in the team and I want to boycott them again. But now I really like watching Marcelo. Hopefully Campbell will get his act together and I'm waiting for them to call Roman Anthony and they won't because they're trying to save money. What are you trying to save money for? What are you guys doing? Anyway, that's my Red Sox rant.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Do you want to do, at some point, maybe over the summer... do top 30 favorite Sacramento mistakes of the century and we just do a draft?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I mean, you can get things where you, you would, you text me at like two 30 in the morning, your time. And you're like, I've spent four days researching this. I can't believe how big the Google doc is. This is great.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Oh God. Yeah. I was surprised they let us even, uh, even run that. But, um, wait, why did I bring up Sacramento? There was a good reason for it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Mike Malone. Yeah. I, I would assume Tibbs comes back. It's no, no shame in being one of the four coaches left in the playoffs, but They need to figure out, my guess would be if they kept Tibbs, maybe Mitchell Robinson becomes the fall guy because so many teams need a center. And you talk yourself into Towns is their center. We need to get like a Siakam-y type forward who can play defense.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Obviously not Siakam because he's one of the best. Yeah, those are easy to find.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
A 6'9 guy who can shoot and, you know.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I'm going to pick a player prop. for Thursday's game five, Nick's Pacers. What's funny, I would have gone over on every Halliburton prop and I can't, we got to talk about Halliburton again in a second.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I don't understand how we won four World Series and I'm the angriest I've been at the owners since I was in college. But this is just unbelievably indefensible. This would be like the Spurs not calling Wemba Yama up from G League. Not that he's going to be the Wemba Yama of baseball, but you get my idea. When somebody's ready to be one of the best players on your team already, just bring them up.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
So I was looking at Nash's playoff stats from 05, 06, 07, 46 games. on the seven seconds or less Suns. And he averaged 21 points, 11 assists, four rebounds, and was a 50-40-90 guy for that entire stretch, three years. Hal Burton, 29 games. He's basically very close to 20 and 10 now. Five rebounds and not quite as good on the 50-40-90, but he's going to be 48-38-71.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
is also younger than when Nash was on the Suns, right?
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
No, we're going full Halbert. We can circle back to the Kings. But the question, we talked about it on Sunday and then again, you know, after that game today, He's not one of the six best players in the league, right? That's Jokic, SGA, Giannis, and Luka. And I honestly would put Wemby in there for next year. I just think he's going to be one of the guys.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And then there's this next group of, in no particular order, Curry, Mitchell, Halbert, and Brunson, and Cade Cunningham, where we could argue about all those guys. And then there's an Anthony Davis, Towns, Mobley, Jalen Williams. And that's probably the top 15. But Hal Burton was not swimming in that Cade Cunningham, Brunson, Mitchell, Curry pool. Totally.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Even though he made all NBA, but he made it because there was some, I mean, he was, he was, he was swimming ahead of Cade Cunningham. He was popping out of the hot tub and then go and going into the pool a little bit, but then coming back. I don't know. I just feel like, like that overrated thing came out. Right. And that was stupid. But I do feel like that was the perception of some people.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
They didn't see him as good as how he actually was. And now that's over, right? The overrated thing is done and he's in that group somewhere. So how high is he for you when you're comparing him to 37-year-old Steph, Mitchell, who's in his prime, Cade, who's not in his prime yet, Brunson, who's absolutely in his prime? He's with those guys now, indisputably. Yeah. But out of all of those guys...
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And Curry's the only one, but now Curry's 37. You can actually create an entire team built around his style of play where he might actually elevate everybody on his team.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
Oh, you split out after that miss three? I'm going to find you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
What's the point of professional sports anyway? It's driving me crazy. I just wanted to mention that. Okay. We are going to talk about a bunch of basketball with Zach Lowe in one second. We're also presented by FanDuel Sportsbook, where I'm going to do my Taylor Fade bet on Wednesday. We're presented by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find a new episode of the Rewatchables.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
I didn't vote for Ron B.A. because I thought the first two months, I thought he was a mess. And he's talked about it since, that he was a mess. And that he was actually going through some stuff and decided to stop reading social media and all these replies. There's been a couple of good pieces about that.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
We're live here on YouTube. Thanks for that PSA, Zach. But I love.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
That's all. Listen, I think about it constantly. I picked Indiana to beat Milwaukee. Me too. I bet on them to beat Cleveland in six. I wasn't positive they were going to beat Cleveland, but I thought it was a 50-50 series.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
But I actually have a bunch of Pacers money that I thought about hedging tonight and decided not to because... I thought Hal Burton blew that game down the stretch, as many people have talked about, because he stopped being... He's doing these crazy kickouts, and it's like, you can get to the rim on these guys. Just finish the play. You can contort your body. You're going to get layups.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
You're going to pick up fouls. Just keep going. And he clearly thought the same thing, because he came out today and was like, I am attacking. I am going, going, going. And when I get into the paint, I'm not just going to be looking to kick. I'm going to be trying to bounce off people, finish...
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
He's one of those guys that I find myself when I watch, and Tatum was like this for a long time too until he got hurt, where you're just watching him go to the rim. Just go to the rim. Just go to the rim. Go. Go to the rim. Go. Don't settle. Go, go, go. This was the best blend of all his skills tonight. It was really like his magnum opus.
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We did Heavy Can Wait as the last movie from big-ass 70s month. And you can watch that podcast on the Real Movies YouTube channel, or you can watch it as a video podcast on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel or as a video podcast. But we did it live with Zach Lowe right after Pacers, Knicks. You're about to listen to it.
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Well, what's interesting about where they are, it's hard to believe they're going to make the finals, but they've also, you know, they're beating a red-hot Knicks team. They thumped Cleveland. thumped to make some excuse for Garland wasn't healthy and Moby missed the game, but I'm sorry. Like everybody's hurt in the playoffs.
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They soundly beat them and broke them by game five and, uh, did a really nice job against Milwaukee too. And I think Milwaukee was a team that was excited to play Cleveland. I think a lot of teams were excited to play. Cleveland was one of the, uh, under underlying lessons of, as we headed in there, but with Hal Burton, um, I think it's just easy to build around him.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And that was why I made the case that I think that's the team I would want to be if I was in the East. Because even I look at the pieces now, Look, Mathurin had 20 points. I didn't, I just, I'm not a fan. I don't love how he plays. I thought he was important for this game today just because he was like going 110 miles an hour and he helped with the pace.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
But I feel like that top end spot and the Mathurin spot are the two spots that you can upgrade. And I was looking at Nash's son's teams in 05, 06, 07. And they're different in a lot of respects. I do think Marion and Siakam have a lot of similarities as a sidekick. But they need like a Tim Thomas-y before he went to the Clippers and stopped caring about basketball.
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Like a six foot eight shooter who can kind of be malleable on defense and is just a little bigger than Matherin. I think would be the number one thing I would draft for them. Somebody who could come in and give them just like a long athletic lineup without a center basically.
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They're five wins away from the title.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
The biggest thing that I think they solved, other than getting Halliburton right, because he just didn't seem like the same guy those first two months, but I felt like it's a little like what we were talking about with Townsend Brunson before. I didn't love the fit with Siakam with them 100% because I thought, I didn't feel like he wanted to go as fast as they wanted to go.
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Haliburton’s Brilliant Game 4, the Reeling Knicks, and OKC’s All Grown Up With Zach Lowe
And it seems to me, granted I'm not banging out 82 Pacer games a year, but I do watch a lot of them and I've always been afraid of them. It seems to me he's committed to the style now and that he's playing way more breakneck than I think he used to. I thought he was too deliberate with them last year.
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I heard, I can't remember who said this, Maybe it was Doc Rivers because he got interviewed for, there was some Rick Carlisle piece I read in like USA Today. I'm sorry, I can't remember the writer. And I think it was Doc Rivers who said, what's great about Rick is whatever roster he has, that's the team he'll create around the roster that he has, which that's like football.
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That's what I always loved about Belichick. He didn't have a system. He was like, oh, we have these guys, so let's do this. And that was just how he figured out whatever they're doing on defense. You think how different that Dallas, Luka Brunson, all ISO team was compared to how this Indiana team plays, how that 03 Pistons played, and then how that Dallas team played, especially in 2011.
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He just has different styles, which I don't, how many basketball coaches could just be like, all right, I guess we'll do this. I feel like Brad Stevens was kind of wired like that too, but there's not that, not that many who are like, I don't have a system. My system is who's my best player. I'm going to create something around.
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Do you remember your feelings on what they should have done? Because the Knicks were coming hard after Fox in February 22 when they made that bonus trade. Sacramento was also looking at Ben Simmons. And there was a Halliburton possibility there. But it felt like one of those guys was available. And I've always been way, way pro-Halliburton, even dated back to the draft.
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And I would have kept Halliburton, but I thought what they got in their trade was a good trade. I was like, all right, well, they're more interesting now. Maybe they had to do something.
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So it's a little like the Kawhi George show. where it was like short-term, really good trade for Indiana. And they had a nice little run. They made conference finals over and over again.
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This is floating around. This goes to the Richard Lewis trade exception in 07. All right, you went even further back. I'm just saying, Paul George... That turned into Kurt Thomas and two number ones, which then turned into Serge Ibaka. Like, this goes... Think about that. Robert Sarver created the finals. If you...
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Well, the other crazy piece of that is that Oladipo was one of the 12 best players in the league for a year.
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And then gets hurt. And usually when that happens, you don't bounce back from that as a franchise and you become a top five lottery team and you go through the whole cycle. And they just didn't because they smartly, it was another one where they had the same version of Fox and Halliburton with Sabonis and Turner, who they could never figure out how to play those guys together.
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There weren't a lot of people doing that.
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Well, Steve Kerr's first trade. He comes in and the lockout's coming and Sarver's like, we can't have this payroll. You have to trade Kurt Thomas. And that ends up being the first trade. I had, for one of my indie takes, OKC's the best team in the league. Are we sure the West was better than the East this year?
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Well, think about it. Celtics won 60 games. The Knicks team was good enough to go up 3-1 on the Celtics even before Dana got hurt.
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The Chicago Bulls made the play-in tournament. I'm just talking the top, like the best teams in each conference. And we thought, oh my God, the West is such a gauntlet. Look at the East. Can we even find three teams that could make the finals in the East? And then you look back and we basically had three plus the Clippers in the West, I think.
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Or is that what we wanted to happen, but they actually wouldn't have been heard from?
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Yeah, there are 15 teams in the conference. I'm just saying the top of each. I felt like going into the playoffs, I felt like the West was so much better. And now I don't... I don't know if I feel that way. All right. I was just test driving the take. You poured water on it. What was your next indie thing?
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I'll go into our lives.
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and see um see if if the if the people oh it's not clicking for me why isn't it clicking for me oh well i guess that's not gonna work i already besmirched youtube shorts i'm not even gonna go into the chat and see maybe youtube shut our thing down when you took the shot at them yeah we do need some sort of uh some sort of thing here's the other pacers thing we had talked about
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We haven't done this on the pod yet and I can't believe it. You did it on your own pod. You admitted me. It hurt my feelings. I got over it. Neesmith Island. There were two people on it, not kind of Neesmith family. I'll never understand why he didn't play over Romeo Lankford ever at any point in my life. It was weird when it was going on.
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I felt weird complaining about it because it was Neesmith was such a seemingly obscure guy in that team. they never figured out how to use them. And when they put them in the Bragdon deal, I was totally fine with it because it just was clear Boston had just quit on him as an asset for whatever reason. All the stuff he's doing, it's just so funny.
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We're sitting there with two, I wouldn't even say we have cottages on New Smith Island. They started out as like, Just like a shed, two sheds. And now we have multimillion dollar mansions on Neesmith Island and everyone wants to live there. And guess what? We've been here the whole time.
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I mean, you know, he was plus 20 tonight in 32 minutes. And every time he came out of the game, the Knicks would immediately start looking better because the stuff he was doing on Brunson... And they talked, they did a good job of talking about in the broadcast about how he fights over picks, how good he is at that. Like what a specifically unique skill.
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But it's not, that's not the only thing he's doing though, because this is why I love the Pacers matchup there. They're with Brunson, 94 feet. they're scoring baskets and they're like, where's Brunson? Let's get in his jersey. And Nisman's been the biggest piece of that. He's playing 32 minutes, but he's like sprinting. He's like running a marathon during these games.
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And I think he's been just a revelation for them. When I do the best contracts, I don't even know if I'll, maybe I'll do a best contracts draft this summer. Him at 11 million has to be way up there.
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I don't know if you want to join me. I have some property on Walker Island.
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Did you see they put up his career stats and they said he's had two season DNPs? Wow. Yeah. I was amazed he made the second free throw. But yeah, I mean, Carlisle's just throwing dudes out there and they all seem like they're ready to play. That Ben Shepard, who's either 35 years old or 20, I don't know what his age is. It's the mustache.
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He can come in and seem confident. The Nembhard pick was great. That was 31. He's been really bad the last couple games, too, and they survived it. Thought offensively, it seems like he's lost his confidence.
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Well, the thing about him is he doesn't turn the ball over, which is wonderful. And neither does Halbert. And when you can play with pace like that and not turn the ball over, it's like an incredible achievement. And whoever has the turnovers on this team is always the other dudes on the team. I'm going to give you my 15-point pyramid right now. I was thinking about Halbert's place.
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I cannot believe how good Albert was in the game today. I can't believe how many missed opportunities the Knicks had. And it feels like they have missed their window, but we should start with the Pacers because that game had a ton of fouls, a ton of turnovers. It got really ugly. They went up 15 with like nine minutes left, which is usually when the Knicks get going.
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I'm just going to throw this at you.
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Start with one. Jokic. Still one. SGA.
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SGA's knocking on the door. And then we're going to talk about OKC in a second. SGA's definitely like, hey, guys. What's going on over here on the top spot of the pyramid?
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No.
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Him and his brothers, they're watching super bad. It's fine. SGA and Giannis, 2-3. Ant and Luka, four or five. By the way, Tatum's not in the pyramid because he's not playing for a year.
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If you're not going to play next season, you can't be in there. I have Wemby sixth. Do you agree or disagree? Because I'm projecting where he's going next year and the fact that he fucking grew an inch. Are you following this? He's 7'7".
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7'7", allegedly.
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Can we pay-per-view and give the proceeds to charity where they actually measure Wemby and we find out exactly how tall he is for $19.99?
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Ironically, the last guy on the team available, uh, from that trade was Connor Wong, who was hitting 149 and came up with the bases loaded, uh, in the Memorial day game. And if he made an out, they lost the game. And of course he made an out cause he was over 18 and runner scoring position. I've been watching a lot of Red Sox this year. Uh,
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Every photo has like a 15-pound variance just depending on the photo. I have no idea if he's lost any weight or not. Allegedly, he cares a little bit more. So you'd have Luka over Ant. Ant made the Western Finals two years in a row. I feel like it's notable.
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He did. He got traded by the genius Nico Harrison, though. Ant never got traded. I have Wimby sixth. Then I have Curry, Mitchell, Halliburton, and Brunson as my seven through ten. And if Halliburton makes the finals, I'm moving him over Mitchell. Sorry, Mitchell. because sorry, I'm a recency bias guy.
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And if you make the finals as when you're clearly the best player in a team and you go through three straight playoff rounds where you beat Giannis, you beat a 64-win Cavalier team, and then you beat this loaded Knicks team, you have to be in the top 10. And then my bottom, my last level is Cade, number 11, Anthony Davis, Towns, Mobley, and Jalen Williams.
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who officially won me over after last night. I think he has to be in the top 15. Anybody, does anything make you go, eh?
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And then it felt like the Knicks were coming back. They could never pull it off. Do you believe in this Pacers team?
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Like, I'm sorry.
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The Minnesota series, I think, killed that. I think he can get there every once in a while. Don't you also believe that? He just didn't seem impactful enough. I think when you get to 35 and up, I think asking somebody to be good for nine months is really a chore. We don't have a lot of history of it.
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Well, so the biggest thing that's changed in the playoffs is Hal Burton ascending into that top 10.
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So I had my five, my, my five honorable mention guys in no particular order. Tatum, LeBron, Kawhi, Chet, and Durant, I think is the next group right underneath. And then Booker, you could talk me into, but I think he gets, he, he should get some of the same, uh, same criticism. Um, I have to ask you what East team you'd want to be the most next five years.
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Cause we're still, and I talked about that Sunday.
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Okay, let's talk about OKC really quick and what happened last night. So they win 128 to 126. Ant takes shit after the game, which I agreed with Versillo's take on his podcast today that some of the stuff was unacceptable, like being that visibly frustrated and disappearing from being mad about how you're being defended, basically, and checking out on certain plays.
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At the same time, they scored 126 points. And that wasn't why they lost the game. They scored 126 points. It wasn't because Ant didn't score enough. They couldn't get stops. And I think if I'm Minnesota, I'm upset that the best two guys in the other team are guys that play positions that I have awesome defenders at. And they still lit me up for almost 80 points combined. And if I'm OKC...
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I'm just like, we fucking... This is it. We climbed Mount Everest with this team. What Jalen Williams did in that game, combined with what Shea, what he always does, but especially at that level, he was just magnificent in that game.
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But I wasn't sure... I wasn't sure Jalen Williams had it in him yet, a game like that. I didn't know if we were a year away. And I kept thinking of the Pippen parallel with him, with Pippen in the 90 playoffs, which ended with the migraine, which, you know, whatever. But even before that, he wasn't quite ready. And then in 91, he was ready.
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And I felt after that game, Jalen Williams has arrived as the number two. This is it. This is his official. Hello, everybody. I'm here. And that's the legacy of that game. Those two guys together, the rest of the league had to be like, oh, fuck.
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That recovery block he had in the fourth quarter was outrageous. That was outrageous.
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And they got the 21 turnovers, which it seems like in every game when they try, they're going to be around 20 turnovers for the other team. Offensively, Minnesota, all these dudes just playing out of their ass and then being able to match it. Wasn't positive they had it in them.
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It's the current gravity thing. Like he's definitely, and they're treating him like that this series and his teammates made a bunch of shots. I don't know. I wasn't monitoring how much shit he took today. Just people in my life. We're like, what's up with Dan? I was like, I don't know. He definitely disappeared for some spots. I didn't love his body language.
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But I also thought they scored 126 points. And a big reason of it was he was pulling OKC's defense toward him all the time. And it was opening all this stuff up for everybody else. He's also 23 years old. This was Tatum in 2022. There's a whole other level when you keep going up rounds. He's still like a young pup when SGA was... Three years ago, they weren't even a playoff team.
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I don't think it's fair to compare him to SGA because I think SGA has more experience and he's just been doing this longer. But I think that's how great Ant is that you can even compare him to that. I sound like I'm making excuses for him, but I just think he's a young player and I feel like
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I don't feel like we're getting to where it's going to get to with him because three years from now, or even two years from now, he's going to realize like, I'm just going to make all the right plays on offense. And then on defense, I'm going to fucking terrorize them. And I'm going to grab, I'm going to grab 13 rebounds and I'm going to shut down Jalen Williams or whoever I'm guarding.
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And that's how I'm going to affect the game. He can't figure out how to affect the game if he doesn't have the offense yet. But I believe in him.
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Yeah. Well, Tatum was another one who battled that. Tatum had this nice little mid-range game, nice little foul line jumper, nice little post-up game. And when things would go bad, he would just abandon it. It was either 25-footers or him going to the rim with no in-between. And not my favorite kind of basketball, but I just feel like Ant
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his superpower is going to be how can he affect the game when they're doing what he did yesterday? And he doesn't know how to put the pieces together yet. I don't think SGA could have played the game that he played yesterday, two years ago. the, the sense of play to play moment to moment. And especially like after Minnesota would hit yet another big shot, another three from the corner.
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And he was just so calm the way he does it. That whole team is like fucking Michael Myers team. They're just like walking across the street with the knife. Like, Hey, nobody, they have no emotion at all. They have no personality. They're just like these quiet assassins that come after you.
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Like you were on some schedule with Ant, like he was 25 when he was like 20 when they made the trade.
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And they were right. He was actually ready to become the top seven or eight guy at a really precocious age. But now we're at this other level where now you're being treated differently game to game. I'm looking at how many playoff games he's played already. Yeah, 30 playoff games the last two years, 41 total. And he turns 24 in August. We're doing fine with Ant.
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I can't accept any. This whole basketball talk culture we have now where it's like so-and-so's got to step up. I asked so-and-so to step up and he stepped up. Now this guy needs to step up. Well, he didn't step up yet. He's got to step up. It's basketball. You go up and down. You're going to have good games and bad games. I think Ant learned from the game yesterday. I'm hoping.
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Just like Halliburton learned from game three. He learned from game three and was awesome in game four.
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Your final 14, two years in a row. You do have this Nas Reed thing though.
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Well, there's also some questions with what's the spending going to be.
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Did you see there's this thing somebody forwarded me today and I couldn't believe it. And apparently it's true. There was a tax thing about everybody who's paid the tax.
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Yeah. There's been some good graphics lately. This one was all the teams that have paid the tax. It was on a Twitter account called NBA University. That thing's really good. Shout out to those guys. NBA, lowercase, underlying thingy, university.
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Underscore. That's also what the kids call it. Golden State has paid $746 million in luxury tax since 2012, which is... 340 million more than our next team, the Los Angeles Clippers. But what surprised me is OKC has paid the tax five times since 2012. And I was like, that doesn't seem, that has to be a mistake.
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And I looked it up and, uh, after Durant left, they paid the tax big time in the 18 and 19 seasons when, uh, with post Westbrook when the Paul George came in. So they did spend, cause I was thinking big picture. Cause I, we agree they're going to win the title, right? Barring an injury. I can't see anybody touching this team.
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And they took a wooden stake and rammed it into Jokic's heart. After two weeks, they finally were able to get it in there. But then the next topic is going to be, what does this team look like going forward? And one of the questions will be, well, are they going to pay the tax? They do have a history of paying it sometimes.
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So I still think this team, the fact that Jalen Williams and Chet are in the same draft class, That's a yikes. That's a tough beat.
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Dort's a suspect.
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Well, they did it, which is why I'm bringing it up. They did it in 2012 when they had James Harden and Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka on the same team. Lessons were learned. Maybe lessons were learned. I would assume Dort would be the one trade piece that I think they could actually get stuff for. And then your guy is coming.
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Who everybody said would have been top five if he hadn't gotten hurt. And now he's fine. Well, anyway, that OKC, I thought that was, it was weird seeing some people didn't love that game.
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Oh, we're losing Zach Lowe. Go to the bullpen. I just don't think... I think they could just tweak it really easy in the last minute where if you foul somebody... What do they do in FIFA? It's like a free throw and you keep the ball. That's it. Basketball becomes immediately more fun. This is not hard. Did I say FIFA? FIFA soccer. It's 9.07 here. I'm exhausted.
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Well, it opens the door that you could actually just lose the game that you had a three-point lead in. Right? All of a sudden it could be like, basically what happened to the Knicks in that Indiana game? How'd you feel about Ben Stower and Chalamet sitting next to each other in Indiana? Yeah.
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Well, now that once we sell our places on Neesmith Island, maybe we buy MJ's Jet. Did you see MJ's Air Jordan Jet? It's really nice. Maybe that's what we spend our Neesmith Island profits on. We need a new guy. Who's our new guy?
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I feel like we took Nisman to completion.
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What do you think about that? Next time we do a pod, I think we should each have three guys that become our next island guys.
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I do not have property on the Kaminga.
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No, there's a couple of Detroit guys I've had my eye on. I still own some property on JT Thor Island. I don't know if I told you about that one.
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Halliburton, 32-12. And 15 with zero turnovers. And I'm with you. When Ryan and I talked about it on Sunday, I did not think he was a top 10 player. I think he needed to add a little to the resume. But this is the kind of game where he surged into the discussion. I texted Steve Nash during the game.
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Did you see Shams talked about the Tatum, how the surgery got big? I'd heard the same thing. I'm just getting hopeful about the Jason Tatum surgery.
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I was talking to my dad today and we were just both like, he doesn't know what to do with himself because he had this whole run mapped out for Celtics playoff games. So they're like, yeah...
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gonna go to the cape this weekend uh it's just he just can't believe we went from oh yeah this is gonna be great celtic city's out make this and then it's just over and now we don't have our best player and he's just like still shell-shocked which i think most celtic fans are it reminds me of talking to team executives and coaches who have been on like a perennial playoff team and then one year cat catastrophe strikes and they're in the lottery and they're like
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Um, all right, we should go. I do like when you're groggy though. I feel like I can get more stuff.
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What TV shows are you watching?
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I finished it. I went on the Apple screener app and watch the last one. I won't tell you what happens. Oh boy. There's only one more. There's only one more episode season.
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I think that's all we got going on. People have been asking when your first rewatchables appearance is going to be.
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What was your number one? We did the Tom Cruise draft, and it seems like... what was the one fallout? No.
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Do you agree with my theory that he's been trying to die during a stunt for like 12 years?
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And I asked him, do you feel like this is like the illegitimate son of the seven seconds or less suns? And he said, absolutely. And it was like, I don't know why I never really thought about it.
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This latest one with the plane, it's like you just have a death wish at this point.
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It's like being in the podcast. I know I have to bring up the Celtics at some point, even if nobody wants it. It's just got to play. It's my version of cruise run.
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Well, we might have plenty of time for it because. we might have both series ending in five games. Although both of us feel a little bullish on maybe the Knicks at least sending us back to England.
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Wouldn't rule it out. Definitely wouldn't rule it out. Yeah, I guess we, you know, the whole pod, we were talking about the Knicks, like, what do they do? They're going to blow it up. Because it did feel, to beat this team five times out of seven, like we discussed earlier, seems improbable. But who knows? Now it's swung to the point where
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You know, you win five and then it turns into the Kevin Millar.
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Minus five. That's too high. Game five. That's too many points. That's a little high.
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Maybe other people have made the comparison, but I don't really remember thinking that until I was watching tonight because when game three went off the rails for them, it was because things slowed down and they turned into a normal basketball team, which is always when it goes bad for them. And you figure like the safest bet in this whole series has been the Pacers in the first quarter.
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Indy is minus 600 to win the series. If you wanted to bet that the series will go seven games, that is plus 235. on FanDuel.
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I don't bet. What would you do for a prop for game five? If you had to pick one next thing that you think is going to happen in game five, what would it be?
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Just like pick a player that you think is just going to be awesome in game five on either team.
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No. I'm expecting a big game from blank.
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I like that pick, and I also think he's been the most under-discussed player in the league the last 10 years who is only discussed in trade rumors and in no other capacity.
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He's not. He's played... How many career games has he played? 642 career games. He's been in 56 playoff games. He's been in two straight conference finals. In the last two years, he is 17-6. 51%, 43% from three. It's like the kind of big man everyone's looking for. And he's just like, ah, I wonder if they'll trade him. That's been his role.
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It almost happened. What was the closest Miles Turner trade you can remember?
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I thought there was a Turner-Heald with the two firsts.
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And the Westbrook contract for the Lakers at some point. And they didn't want to give up the second first.
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I vaguely remember that one.
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I forgot to tell you this. The Pelicans are my bath salt team this year for the offseason. I'm ready for literally anything with them.
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They're the Bath Salt team. Are they going to trade up to the top three? Are they going to trade Zion? Are they actually going to try to build and feel like they can contend? I'm ready for literally anything. You name it.
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How many? Is there a Trey Murphy trade? Do they try to do their version of a Derek White, Mikael Bridges trade with him? Do they try to move up? Could there be a Spurs-Pelicans move? Spurs go from two to seven, get Trey Murphy. I'm ready for anything. Could there be a three-way where Jalen Brown goes to the Pelicans and Trey Murphy goes to Boston and they swap? Or Jalen Brown goes to the Spurs?
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Cause they're just boom, boom, boom. They're going, going, going with pace. I don't even think it's seven seconds or less. It might be six seconds or less. It might even be the five and a half seconds or less Pacers. Because like what you said before, they're getting into, they're either getting two on ones, three on twos, or they're getting into what they want to get into.
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I'm just ready for the Pelicans. All bets are off. Wow. Keep your seatbelts on.
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I think Drew Holiday will have, and I love Drew Holiday, but I don't think the team's going to compete next year. And I think Drew Holiday has real value for a lot of teams. And I think people are underrating that.
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That is exactly when teams talk about, we need an older veteran who's won and who knows how and only cares about winning. It's like, that's literally Drew Holiday. We hear this every year. Eight teams want a guy like that. So I just feel like, unfortunately, he's probably the one if they have to move. White's contract is too good. You can't trade White, I don't think.
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Great. It was great to hang out with you here on YouTube live on the Bill Simmons podcast. Thanks to Gahal and Eduardo as well. And I'm going to be back on Thursday. You're going to be Thursday morning. So after game five, OKC and Minnesota, which OKC is going to close it out. But I also like I wouldn't bet like a crazy amount of money on it.
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All right. Zach Lowe, great to see you.
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And there's still like 17, 16 seconds left on the shot clock. I didn't think the Knicks could keep up with the pace. And yeah, In a weird way, it reminded me of almost like you can... I'm a UFC guy. You're not. Or at least for the pay-per-views. Sometimes you watch a UFC fight and you're like, ah, this is... They always talk about in boxing, styles make fights.
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I boycotted the team pretty much for the last couple of years because I was so upset about the Mookie Betts trade. It was basically my version of Luka and Dallas and everything that happened there. It was such an indefensible, terrible trade. And then he goes to the Dodgers and he's awesome for them. And it really made me mad. And I just decided I just need to take a break from the Red Sox.
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In UFC, the pace of something, what somebody's trying to do when they keep trying to put the other person on their heels and have them going backwards and they kind of screw up their clock... for the fight, it feels like that's what they've done to the Knicks in this series. They've sped them up to the point.
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The Knicks stats, like Brunson's stats are fine, but he doesn't feel like he's in control like he did in the first two rounds, right? They've tilted it a little bit and it's too chaotic for the Knicks and I don't think they can keep up with it.
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I like how he played and I'm not even positive he had a good game because he was in the second half was like a chainsaw just kind of rattling around the backyard, just cutting into stuff.
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I usually don't tweet during games, but I did tweet when it was between 8 and 11 for it felt like an hour. And I tweeted, the Knicks just need to fall behind by 15 so they can get comfortable. And then it was 111-96. Then it was that. It was 113-100. And it felt like the Pacers hadn't done anything for five minutes.
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And this year I got back into it because Christian Campbell came up. Marcella Meyer was about to come up and Roman Anthony, who's the best prospect in baseball. And this Red Sox team, which I think they're over under in Fando is 86 and a half. My friend Kevin Hench went on Brian Barrett's Off the Pike podcast Monday and came in in the 17 minute mark.
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And they were just letting the Knicks hang around, hang around, hang around, which is what the Knicks love. But I do feel like a couple things have changed with the Knicks from where they were in the first two series.
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It feels like he gave up on McBride, which I don't really fully understand because I actually like, especially in a chaotic game like the one today, I actually like McBride in those games. But down the stretch, he was playing right over McBride. Robinson, just the first three quarters, I think he was minus 21, something like that. And that lineup wasn't working. They kind of changed.
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It's hard for me to believe after like a couple games, they're like, oh, our five guys together doesn't work anymore. We got to bring Hart off the bench. That felt really panicky to me. But I think it spoke to the fact that all through the playoffs, this team over and over again has been down 10, 12, 14, 8, 15, 17. And at some point, you are who you are.
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We were talking math a bunch last year with the Celtics. And at some point, when you go up 20 a bunch of times over the course of a season, you're probably good. OKC this year, a lot of blowouts, a lot of big leads. You're probably good. The Knicks... feel like they're kind of punching above their weight when you just look at how hard it is for them to stay competitive in these games.
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I was going to do this in the second segment, but let's do it now. There's two separate Knicks conversations right now, and they're running parallel to each other. One is, this is an incredible missed opportunity for them if they can't get out of the series. When you think about just going back Embiid and Paul George in Philly, that falls apart.
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Yeah, it was all good. I was just feeding the kid and I was just like, you know, I might as well just stay up and hop in the Zoom record. I'm wired. I got to be honest with you. I don't know that I'm happier about winning the game or that I just don't have to watch Trey Young play basketball against my team anymore. That was... It was disgusting.
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Like, it was... And maybe I'm super sensitive to it because they played the Hawks a couple times here down the stretch. But it's... Like, he's yelling at the ref for calls that he's getting during the game. And it's... It just feels like as a guy who just likes to watch, enjoys basketball, because there's a lot of people being like, what's his future this summer?
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He would undoubtedly make the magic better. And I just can't, I can never talk myself into it. So I'm happy about the win, but I'm mostly just happy that I don't have to watch that anymore.
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I mean, I'm not going to go like Dallas Mavericks fan level on that, but I would stop watching the team if they traded Jalen Suggs for Trey Young. That's, I mean, no way.
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you can't trade a guy who, and I know you're just, this is hypothetical, but a guy who's kind of the heart and soul of the energy of the team for a guy who, I just don't know what trade is. Obviously, he had the conference final a couple years ago, and I think he's really talented. He led the league in assists this year, obviously. Maybe there's a situation that works for him, but
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I can't as just like a basketball fan be like, yeah, I can't night in, night out root for that. I just can't. It was uncomfortable to watch. I mean, that's why it was so great because Anthony Black, a couple of times, who had a great game, by the way. He did. Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, and Wendell Carter carried Paulo and Franz. I mean, more Franz a little bit.
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I mean, Paulo was good early and then got the cut above his eye. So who knows? But those guys were awesome. But it was great to see the action of Anthony Black kind of got Trey tossed from the game. And I don't know, man, like I'd rather root for dudes that just like kind of I hate to be the old man, but play the game the right way. I don't want to watch foul baiting.
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I don't want to watch somebody yelling at the ref the entire game. Like I said, the Magic, they need another elite guard. They need to get the ball out of Paulo and Fran's hands all the time. They leave those guys on islands at the end of shot clocks, and they just do them a disservice all the time.
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I'd love Cole Anthony, who is, you know, basically carrying them at parts of the game. Like, why does he come in with two minutes left in the third quarter if you go up this massive run and now the Hawks are back in the game? Questions I have after the game. But, you know, he ended up doing it anyway. But, yeah, like, I just, I can't. I can't deal with Trey.
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Yeah, I'm not even taking that phone call. Before the Luka thing, there was some talk about maybe the Lakers sniffing around late kind of LeBron thing. Yeah, I never believed that.
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Yeah. Isn't that, isn't that kind of what happened though, a couple of years ago where like it was Russell Westbrook and it was like, well, you know, would like a bad team just take a flyer on him just to kind of be interesting. But there aren't that many teams.
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I mean, the Sacramento is probably the one, but there aren't that many teams that are just like, Hey, we're so bad that we just need to be interesting. So let's just take a flyer on Trey young. It feels like you talked about a bill. Like there's just a lot of talent in the league. A lot of these teams are headed in the right direction.
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Even like, you know, the wizards and the Hornets, like why would they, why would they do that? Yeah. There isn't just that team that's like, hey, let's just do this because we have nothing else going on. And there really hasn't been teams like that for a few years now, it feels like.
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I was texting with our good buddy, Kevin Clark, and the thing I said was, I don't think they have any shot in the series, but I weirdly think that they could win two games. Like, I feel pretty good about that. And that's I think it could be a six game series and it'll be tough for the Celtics. But I just don't think I don't know how the Magic score with them.
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I mean, I don't know how they play defense.
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They'll probably steal a game, one or two, and then who knows? People might start losing their minds and say some irresponsible stuff. I can't imagine everyone's locked into the magic all year long, but the offensive laws that they go through, it's uncomfortable to watch at times. You're just like, how is this? I think Zach mentioned it. I forget if it was you or whoever, but it's just like,
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Can we just get some sort of offensive coach in there to figure some things out? Why does everyone that comes to Orlando, like KCP, what was he, one of seven, I think, from three? I mean, Paul and Franz were 0 for seven or eight combined. It's just like, why does everybody go there just immediately? And it's not even like, some of them are open shots. They're just missing open shots.
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And I, you know, as much as I like to think, like, I think they were 2-1 against the Celtics this year. I think a couple of those Tatum wasn't around.
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Atlanta is a great... When Alabama plays an FCS team in the first week, that's a perfect first-round opponent. You get warmed up a little bit. You don't really get beat up. The problem with the Magic is you're going to get beat up for five games or so, five or six games, and it might hurt you later on in the playoffs.
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That's certainly a team that isn't going to be awesome bruise-wise in round two and round three, but I just can't see the Magic without Suggs, the scoring situation. I can't see it happening.
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It's also an interesting big brother, little brother dynamic with the Jason Tatum, Paulo thing. Both Duke guys, they're friendly. I think Paulo was asked about it after the game, and he said the ultimate compliment or whatever would be just playing well against him. It's a guy who I think a lot of Magic fans hope Paulo... that his career steers towards the Jason Tatum.
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Like he's never going to be that defensively, but at least just kind of like the, you know, the, the caliber of player, the, you know, MVP first team on MBA is like that thing. Uh, it's interesting storyline to watch. I, I just, I just watched Apollo too many times.
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I just go, God, like I, I understand the criticism about the, the, um, like the shooting and the shot selection at times, but they just leave them hanging out to dry. So he's asked to do so freaking much all the time. And, uh, That's why when Cole comes in and gives him a secondary ball handler creator, and Cole was pretty inconsistent. He was awesome tonight.
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If they just had a guy that can, I don't know who that is necessarily. I want it to be Malik Monk in the offseason. Who can just ease the load. Here we go. Keep asking me. Ask me. I don't know. Who knows? Let's see how this series goes and how depressing it is.
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Yeah. It's just interesting dynamic to watch those two Duke guys going at it.
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I would just throw, I mean, Isaac and just hopefully you could just bother the heck out of him. Isaac's been, he hasn't been as consistent this year as he was last, although he played a lot of games. So I guess he stayed healthy, so credit to him. But I would do that. Maybe a little bit of Franz. I mean, they're certainly big. They've got the size to, you saw it tonight.
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I mean, the Hawks are a different team, obviously, than the Celtics. But man, like they just, it's hard to get good shots against them. And Kirk said it, they're the best defensive three-point shooter. They're the worst three-point shooting team on offense, but they also defend and don't let teams make threes. Uh, so they're, they're kind of, you know, old school in that way.
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So that's, that's the path is just, can they just get the Celtics to not shoot well and play good three point defense and hopefully they can get some shot variants on offense.
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
A Rare NBA Sea-Change Season, the Haliburton What-Ifs, and a 2020 Redraft With Ryen Russillo
See you then.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
We didn't mention Cade yet.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Yeah.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
So I would say him.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Yeah.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
No, I don't think you could do that. I think that's too aggressive. Barrel. The natural resource bat. Barrel. Big barrel. Did you pick a side in Stephen A versus LeBron or did you set it up? It reminded me of a lot of political debates. I was like, I have to pick one. So you set it up.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
I'm ready to move on right now. Good. Just to know if you picked a side.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Oh, I have one for you. I don't know if I should share this. It's good though. It's up to you. I sat next to Liv Tyler on the flight home.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Well, let's do Calabama. It's your job. You did your job. Yeah, I mean, do you know how much of the first game I missed?
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Who did they beat, Peyton Manning, for Colts Bears? Oh, Colts Bears. Rex Grossman.
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The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
Right.
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
246.
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
Yep.
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
Let's wait on this guy. Yeah.
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
Yeah, maybe.
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
Merry Christmas.
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
We'll see you next time.
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The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines
Yeah.
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NBA Playoff Reactions and Overreactions With Ryen Russillo
I want to see them on a way so I can say
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OKC Ends Denver, "Whaddya Do" Second-Round Losers, and Knicks-Pacers Predictions With Ryen Russillo
Yeah.
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OKC Ends Denver, "Whaddya Do" Second-Round Losers, and Knicks-Pacers Predictions With Ryen Russillo
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OKC Ends Denver, "Whaddya Do" Second-Round Losers, and Knicks-Pacers Predictions With Ryen Russillo
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Round 1 NFL Reactions With Cousin Sal
Sure, right now. But I'm, you know, I'm going to be hesitant with the whole CJ Stroud thing. But yes, right now.
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Round 1 NFL Reactions With Cousin Sal
That'd be nice, right? That'd be nice. Not too much to ask.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
We got to figure something out. He's going to try to play. That's a new thing. Like, yeah, he's going to try to play. It's like when you're, When your kid, the night before school, is like, I'm not feeling well, but I'm going to try to go to school. It's like, no, that's a no. No way. Just email the teacher. You're not doing it. 10-year-old staying home. We got them all day.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
They play on Christmas, and that's a Wednesday, right? Yeah.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Oh, Saturday and Wednesday. Okay.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
I think it's unfair to judge the Bills' defense. I think that was going to happen. And by the way, I had my best bet on the Ring of Pre-Game show was the Rams over two and a half touchdowns. I didn't think they scored six. I was waiting for you to bring this up.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
You're red hot. But the point of this is, of course, I'm red hot and I'm wiping the map.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
We're two red hot guys. I love that we're red hot. But I saw it come in the Bills defense flying east to west. It was going to have to let up eventually, right? And it makes sense. It was very soft. It was a very soft zone that Stafford threw against for three hours. But I don't want to judge that. Just like I'm not going to judge how great the Steelers defense was against Jameis.
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I really am over the moon. I was going to come on dressed as Grimace or Jerry Seinfeld, but those costumes are in the cleaners. But... I love it, man. I'm so happy. I don't care that everyone hates us now. I don't. It makes it better. It really does.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
I know they're very good in general.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
They're going to make plays. They have 74 points fewer than the Bills, and they've allowed 30 points less. That's the team that would scare me if I was a Steelers. If you're going to Buffalo, that's a mess.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That one thing that Bill showed me is that they can come back, right? Like, I think we figured that anyway, but that was a game that they really could have just walked off and be like, all right, we'll lose this by 21. But they were in it till the very end.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, it had my attention the whole time. I think so. What other candidates? I'm trying to think what else.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Cowboys-Giants Thanksgiving was the highest rated. Was it the best? I don't know.
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Who started the hating thing? What do you mean? Albert Pujols 2.0. Ticket prices are going to be affordable now. Good luck. Enjoy paying him $51 million at age 41. Were those texts that Hench sent you?
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265, I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. They got a pretty good crowd too. It was good. It was fun all around. I don't know that, you know, switch it to the Rams for a second. I don't think, is this too much to say? I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver like Puka Nakula. Like as a possession receiver, he's phenomenal. And you could miss by like three or four yards and he's going to catch it.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
And he's going to protect himself and all that, all that good stuff.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah. Like I said, it was a soft zone and everything else, but he's great.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
If you use one timeout in that situation, you might as well use all three. Because then you're just relying on getting the onside kick versus, okay, if we don't get the onside kick, we could stop the clock three times. I didn't understand that at all. They would have been better off sneaking up to the line of scrimmage and running a second down play and letting the clock go to 45.
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So that was where it was a miracle. They had three timeouts in the first place and that was the hard part. Then they blew it.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That was the whole Kevin Hensch. I love it. I'm sorry your Red Sox lost out. I love beating the Yankees. That's the best part is beating. We beat them. They were outbid. They bid 760 for 16 and we beat them. And I know you have to go on the field and win and all that stuff, but we never beat them at anything. We're little brother, like forever.
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Like I was, I like math and I was good in math, but I do think it is the video games. But for God's sakes, you should be able, that was easy to me. Like that jumped out right away. How does McDermott not see that?
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But also, are they not watching enough situational things? I feel like we're putting ourselves on a pedestal here. But the guys that are getting to the facility at 4.30 in the morning, they're just watching tape of the opponent and not worried about what's going to happen at the end of the games and how they should use their timeouts and timing and stuff.
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I have friends that text me who barely got through junior college and know the ins and outs of all these. It's like, this can't be hard stuff.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, I can see odds. Let's see.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
And I don't even know who else would be in the mix. Minus 450 for Allen. Well, Saquon was second last week, but he's gone up to plus 550.
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I thought it helped that he had his Hubie Brown moment. He just went horse. He went horse a little bit. And it felt like he was in the game. Like it's all that stuff you said he did the previous weeks. No, he was in the game and he was liking it and he was, it was doing it and he was inside of it. So it's good.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah. All he needs is the best game of the year every week. That's it.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, I think the good news is we're not going to change our minds again, right? We've changed it nine times. I think we'll be good for December. And they're only minus 135, because I guess the Rams are right there at plus 160. But the Cardinals have fallen off at 13-1 now. I'm seeing on Fan, though.
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That's it. So it's just the Rams and Seattle for the division. And I think Seattle showed some toughness. You know, that's one of the narratives. Like, I feel like we drive some of these narratives and whatever our top three or four narratives are going into Monday, we should scrap all of them and start over.
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One of them was going to be like, oh, Kenneth, without Kenneth Walker, they're not going to be as tough as Arizona. Yeah, they were much tougher on both sides of the ball.
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Two solid teams. It's a nice game. Really good first round matchup. I do think there's a team out there that, not that we owe an apology for, but it's time we give them the recognition. You mentioned it briefly, the Vikings.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah. Yeah, and that's what we thought. I mean, I was like, this is the only division that's going to come down to Week 18. Now I'm not even sure if we get that. But at San Francisco, now the 49ers are kind of back, not maybe in the mix, but they're going to be spoiler, I think, if not next week, somewhere in the road.
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This is like funny money at this point. It is kind of like losing a house, a bid on a house for like $120 or something.
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I don't know either. I mean, you see that stat in the second quarter, we're close to half. It's 310-2. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that means that there's no new coach energy. There's no new coach.
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Yeah, that's it. And what did San Francisco do? That was another narrative that we could throw out. They're done. They have too many injuries. And then everybody bid $37 on Isaac Glorando, and he got them into the playoffs in fantasy. And he took over today.
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Because everyone's like, yeah, 41 years old. Sure, he'll get $51 million at 41. He'll be the lowest paid player at that point. But I just love beating the Yankees, man. It's like Casey Affleck dating Margot Robbie and saying, take that, big brother. Bring that to TMZ. This is great. This is the best. Casey Affleck.
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Yeah, they don't finish drives. They don't, you know, there are just still some coaches in the division that they never beat or barely beat. And like you said, they were winning despite the fact that Harrison wasn't having a great year. I think he probably has five or six touchdowns, but you know, you were expecting him to go for like six for 150 most games and not that at all.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Now they've lost three in a row, right?
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
It's interesting. There aren't too many out there like him. And we're going to talk about some shitty franchises probably a little later. And this is this is the way to rebound. Like you have to kind of strike gold with a guy like this is getting 10 million a year. And you could do that for a couple of seasons.
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I think so, too. I think the Yankees should offer him $650 million for 15, for sure, if you ask me.
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They're loaded offensively, but he's won them a few games now.
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And you said 28-10. What, did he have 3,300 yards? I don't know. He's not the reason they're 11-2, but you get rid of them. Get used to being 7-6 with the new guy, whoever it is. I think it's easy at this point, honestly.
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Well, I mean, on a different scale, it's like the Bears, what they did for years with Mahomes. Like, yeah, we could have had this guy. I know people say they could have had him, but we were interested and we passed on him. So, yeah, there's a million what ifs like that. But the Jets, for sure, are kicking themselves. Yeah.
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Stop it. It's great. We won tonight.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, I mean, if you rank the, let's say we're in the playoffs now, you rank the quarterbacks, he wouldn't be at the bottom. He wouldn't be at the bottom of the list. And for teams that didn't make the playoffs, like Tua, I'd have him over Tua right now. You know, I'd have him.
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Some of these other teams, I'm not, you know, I don't know. I just trust him more.
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I think it's close. I feel like we did a weird thing with this division. We have so much in stock. We ranked them one through four in the beginning of the year. We have all that stuff going on. And then we have, oh, Lions are playing great. And then we're like, whoa, the Lions' defense is decimated. And then they hold the Packers to under 300 yards. Another narrative that went south.
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But I think we were raising the stock of Jordan Love and the Packers when we probably should have been looking at the Vikings. At this point, I think I'd be more surprised if the Packers pulled off an upset in the playoffs than if the Vikings did.
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Yeah, that was a dumb pick by me, Atlanta, this week. He has eight interceptions in the last four games. And I don't know, like, why did they draft Penix? Like, it's a genius pick if you start him. But otherwise, it's a huge waste. Unless there's something like, we don't know, like a Trey Lance situation. Like, no, he's just bad behind the scenes. You know, trust us, he's not ready.
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Oh, yeah. A lot of big contracts for Cousins. Yeah. I don't know how he does it. I really don't. And if it's, you know, I haven't seen the metrics. Did he surpass 36 miles an hour? Cause that was the big one.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Interesting.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Well, unless he thrives with the Giants. Isn't that the best medicine, right? There's a little bit of what I'm feeling with Juan Soto right now with the Yankees, but I think that would be great. I'm sorry.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah. Yeah. It does seem like he's better there. And the Giants, I don't know if you watched that game. I tried not to. Well, when they're driving to win, you know the front office is like, oh, what are you doing, Drew Locke? Just get tripped up here or something. That's the red zone I want to see. The owner's box is... when the two-win team is driving.
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And you know, the players don't tank because they can't. They'll get killed. But you know the front office is like, we've got to stay at two wins. We have to get that top pick. We'll figure out who it is then.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, Raiders and Giants are the top two. Is that right? Yeah.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
He was a little reckless today. Yeah, but he was reckless. He really was. I mean, the Raiders can't help themselves and just blow it towards the end. But, you know, they're like, you want to turn the ball over three times? We got you. We got you. We got you back, Bucks, with 28-13 before you look good.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Well, this is a tough week, right? Because they're at Philly, and Baltimore's got a walkover against the Giants. So it could be cut to one, and then they have the head-to-head.
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Yeah. I don't know. Believe me, I did about my Moneyline parlays with all those things you just said. And one guy had $3.1 million on Eagle. So that became a rooting interest as well.
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It's beautiful. It really is.
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
This has to get weird now. It's like when the betters are getting up for the games more than the team. But that might be it. Maybe you just don't. How much are you going to get up for the Panthers coming to town in December after you've rocked everybody? But yeah, the A.J. Brown thing is weird for sure.
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He played for the Yankees. Let's not forget, right? He left. It's sort of like, remember that girl, another Seinfeld reference, dated Newman and Jerry couldn't figure out why he broke up with her. It's like, this is like, this is the same thing. Like Juan Soto didn't care about playing for the Yankees anymore. How many Mets Yankees crossovers have there been? Just for players?
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He is decent, man. He really is. You went over it and how fluky it was for him to get his job back, right? It was like a Dalton family car accident and stuff. But I think the play you're talking about, like he scrambled on third down from his three. He ran just up to, I don't even know if he realized if he wasn't over the line yet when he passed it and then got him down the field.
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But yeah, they're going to be a pain in the ass team. We no longer have a team where we could just bet against.
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Well, your Patriots have been in a couple of these. I mean, I know it's not, you know, the Titans and stuff. It's not going to get too excited.
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Don't you feel like the way he tilts his body when he drops back to pass, and maybe it looks weirder because he's a lefty, but the way he turns his body, it feels like anyone could know to jump a route. Right. Right.
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Oh, for stars. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's gone.
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Strawberry and Gooden were the two big ones. Yeah, yeah. We haven't really. I mean, we had Severino. There haven't been too many the other way. We'll take it.
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It was really bad. You know, the DJ was bad on the other side, too. But you're right. I don't know why Adams is going out of bounds on that play. If you run for four yards and the clock runs, it's better. Even if you miss the field goal, it's better than what they did there.
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Yeah, just don't go backwards. Yeah. But the DJ, if I could bring that up for a second, McDaniel, this is my biggest pet peeve in sports. When you're fourth and three on plus territory at the 45, you have to, have to, have to go for the hard count. You have to.
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Oh, when he punted without even doing it? You can't just bring the punt team on. You have to line up. And then if you don't do it, and they punted through the end zone, which they did, I think the authorities should come down and just take you off the field right there because you just don't get it. You're not trying. These guys are the jittery jets. You can get them to jump off sides.
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It happens like one out of every seven times, so just try it.
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He could have a few nicknames. He could be like Shaq with just like six or seven nicknames. There's no reason not to. Young Dexter.
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Wow. That's my soliloquy. Thank you. Well, I think the answer is there might not be enough guys like that. There just aren't, right? I mean, it might just be a handful of leaders and men. I mean, you've got Dan Campbell. You love his post-game speeches. I saw the tweet.
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You're exactly right. He's awesome. He's going to win Coach of the Year, if not for the Lions' great record, because of these speeches. And these get on SportsCenter. And if you're a Dan Quinn or a Mike Tomlin or an Andy Reid, you kind of have to step it up.
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Take your shirt off in the locker room and let that get on TV if you're going to win this Coach of the Year thing because he's pretty damn good. And you're right. He's a leader of men.
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Strip down, wave the shirt over your head, do something.
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He has notes.
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Cliff Kingsbury, last week, was the number one guy for the Bears in terms of odds and stuff. How much do you need to see with him, right? Right.
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And even the coordinator thing is a little sketchy at this point. Yeah.
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Well, maybe if Andy Reed had given him like a nicer Christmas gift, Eric, the enemy would be around and they wouldn't be scoring like 16 points a game, like things like that.
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All right. I guess so. By that, if you're going to measure it like that. But I also think he should retire. Yeah. He went over 300 yards today. He should be like, that's it. It's not going to get better than that. I have a Netflix documentary coming out next week, and I pass for 300 yards, and I'm never going to blame myself.
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Yeah, I was scared for a minute.
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Our buddy JJ was there. He goes there. He's like an old man. He flies from New York. He has to have the sun. He's there. And he was like, by the end of the game, he texts us. He's like, I was shaking. I was shaking at the end. I was like, why were you shaking? This is a monumental win. You lost like six draft spots.
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We're one away from 500. It's like, oh, man, if he was shaking about that, he's not going to be happy about Juan Soto.
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Without hesitation. Now, the Jameis stuff, he's a miracle. He's a lot of fun to watch. I think he should be like an all-time quarterback for Monday Night Football or something because he's so much fun. And today, we didn't even get a great Jameis game. We got like a four. But if he could do anything from... He's actually kind of bad today. Yeah, yeah. I don't like if he's just bad.
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I want him to be great and bad, but ultimately worse. But yeah, it's... They owe their quarterback $92 million over the next two years. They're a losing franchise. They have borderline criminal owners, alleged bribery scandal all over the place. And they're in a tough, I mean, that division is gross. How are they going to, they'll play like today. They'll be close for a minute and that's it.
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But they're looking at like six and 11 the next few years, I think, at best.
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If I had to go next, I would take the Bears, I think.
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Oh, you did? Oh, wow. Yeah. Who do you have above them?
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I think that division is going to be very good for a while. And I feel like it's a little depressing, the Caleb thing right now. And they just don't really, I don't think they know what they're doing in the front office. And, you know, they're in a loud, much like the Giants, they're in a loud city. You know, they're never going to hear the end of how bad they are forever. So it gets amplified.
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Yeah. I think they interviewed 31 agents. Was James Babydoll Dixon one of them? I don't know. But they all said they were the worst run organization, the Raiders. And they've been taking wild swings for 25 years and can't get there. Who'd you have for four? Okay. For four worst franchise, I'm going to go Quiznos.
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You know, we had someone work at Jimmy Kimmel Live and move to the Pacific Northwest like 15 years ago, open the Quiznos, and it closed immediately. And now you hear less about it than Subway, Jimmy John's, Blimpy's, Jersey Mike's, Fat Sal's out here. You know, you make your own sandwich. There's too many options. Unless it prepares for that. They're in trouble, Quiznos. Quiznos.
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Unless they sponsor us. In that case, they'll... Jimmy John's is taking their lunch.
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Well, let me ask you this. Who would you rather have? So you'd rather have the Panthers franchise than the Jaguars?
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I mean, they're paying Trevor Lawrence $275 for five, I think. So that's got to be your guy.
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You also have to have an owner who wants to win. Okay, most of them do. And is not a freaking idiot, right? Like, I don't know. We can't put my team up there because it's just worth too much. You did. Yeah. Son of a bitch.
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It's dumb. Otani, he's not Otani, but they compared it to Otani, right? So this deal had to be based on Otani, which is dumb. He's going to be a DH, you know, if not this year and a few years. But we'll take it. We stole him from the Yankees.
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They're kind of worth a lot, though, if you wanted to sell them.
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I think we have to mention the Patriots too. They haven't won their division in years. In years, they haven't won a division. They have an impossible time building a roster.
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You got a stadium. No one cares. Nephew Kyle's the only one ballsy enough to wear the jersey.
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Yeah, let's do it. I don't think we take any breaks. Do we take breaks?
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I like it.
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I like it.
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Play tough, San Francisco. Play like, give us your B minus game at least for this one. What's our record for Guess the Lens? What are we right now? I won the last couple of weeks. Seven, six, and one. You still have the lead.
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Yeah, you get this. By the way, you're going to win this week. I was way off on a lot. I said one and a half. It's two and a half.
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Yeah, I know. That's the thing.
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We split this. I said one and a half. It is two and a half. You surprised? That's fair. Well, I didn't think they were going to make it three. I know it's not a must-win for the Bills, but I just don't see them losing back-to-back a lot. It's a fun one. I'm already fast-forwarding to Dan Campbell's written speech. Excited.
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I know. They weren't bad, though, against Green Bay. I know it was a lot of points, but if you hold them less than 300 yards, this was my preseason Super Bowl pick, too, so it should be fun.
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I do.
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That's what I said. It's five and a half.
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Nothing. I remember the program, the two Georges, George Foster and the manager, George Bamberger. And it was Foster and Kingman. And they were both hit and miss back and forth. But I don't even know. I've gotten...
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Well, I know you said Rams-Bills was the game of the year, but I don't think we could say enough about Denver-Cleveland last Monday.
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I said one and a half. It's two and a half. So we split this.
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Yeah, I think Baker's going to be a little jittery. I'll get to him in the pocket. It's a fun one, though. You know, this could be... They'll have more fans, right? The Chargers. A rare home game with an advantage.
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This makes me, people are going to think I've never done this before. I said nine and a half.
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So that's what I said. Unless they change this, it's seven.
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Piazza. Yeah. I can't even think. I got excited about Saberhagen and Viola and stuff like that, but we'll take it, man. We'll take it.
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I'm trying to figure out why this would be. Washington off or bye?
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Nephew Kyle was telling me about this too. You guys betting like crazy. And did he go for under three and a half? He would never. No.
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I swear I had the same thing and it's four and a half.
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You're going to get this because I said 10. It's 14 and a half. Oh, my Lord. That's stupid.
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If a team has given up, they have. What can you say? Right.
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I said Cowboys by three. Get ready, Bill. Panthers by one and a half. Oh! That is a low point for the franchise. Maybe the Cowboys are the worst franchise. Maybe we have to re-rank these franchise. Oh, my God. wow, I'm staring at it and it's not changing. The Panthers are favored against the Cowboys.
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If you told me six minutes ago, I wouldn't believe it. I still don't believe what's going on here. Now, I guess it's... Wow.
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I know. They hang around in these games. I'd rather have their quarterback. I'd rather have their running back. I'd rather have one of their receivers. Yeah, you're right. The defensive tackle. I guess it makes sense. It's just very depressing.
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I got this exactly. It's three. They still like the Jets, the odds makers. They do. Yeah, they still do.
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I think during the week it was five and a half and I'd kick off it with six and a half, but you can't win by six and a half in overtime. Sunday night. You're up 11-9, so if you win one of these, I think you're in good shape.
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I feel I'm not going to live that long. And this is like me buying a turtle. You know, turtles last like 90 years. It's like, all right, turtle, you're going to be on your own in a few years, but I'll enjoy you in the meantime.
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Oh, no, no, no. I said Green Bay by one. It is Green Bay by two and a half.
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You know, I don't care. As long as they're seven early afternoon now. I mean, because it would have been eight if there was one, right? True.
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It's fine.
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I said seven. It is seven. Jesus.
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You're up one. You're up one. Wait, one, two, three. 11-2. No, it's 11-11. I was off by a point and a half in this. You should be able to maybe get it. Desmond Ritter against his old team.
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You get one Soto. You've tied me and guessed the lines. I'm a little less depressed that the Cowboys are on the dog to the Panthers. Unbelievable.
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Let's do it. What do I have? All right. A couple of things. First of all, my youngest, my 10 year old is in his travel baseball team. He got five hits this weekend and he's batting like 360 and he's available Mets. I know you don't have any money left, but he is available. So he wants to hit 400 in the worst way.
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And I asked him if he'd rather get all A's in school and hit 300 or all C's and hit 400. And he gave the right answer. He said he'd rather get all Cs and hit 400. And I made sure his mother wasn't looking at it. I high-fived him. So anyway, I'm a good father.
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But the big one I want to talk about is the Spotify rap and how much of a loser I feel like because I'm embarrassed to say, even though this is what I like, Kenny Loggins, Billy Joel, Huey Lewis and the News, Chicago and Hall and Oates. Those are my top five. Some of those bands are too old for even you to make a documentary about. So I mean, I've heard you talk about the Yacht Rock doc.
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No, I think right now it's euphoria. Honestly, the Yankee part of it is just so big. Our buddy Gus is on there, and he had a really funny thing he said. I'm going to read it about his dad. He said, my dad says the four best words in English language are Mets win, Yankees lose. That's true. I don't even know if that's English.
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Yeah, absolutely. So you're just old. I'm just old and it's sad. But then it said like July was my psychedelic beach goth moment. I was like, oh, wow. And I was big into the Growlers, the Dead Ghosts, and the Pesos. I was like, this is terrific. I don't even remember listening to those. It's my kids. It's my son. It's my college kid who shares it with Spotify.
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And he puts me in a different realm, but it makes me feel bad. Like, wow, those sound like cool bands. I couldn't name one song by any of them. The Growlers. I don't think the Spotify rap, even though the son comes in for the save with some, I assume, hipster music. I don't know about the Spotify rap.
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If an app tells you how many times you get up in the middle of the night to pee, it's like, I don't want that getting out. So thanks for trying to save me, kid. But I'm old and dying. The growlers.
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Yeah. You had a crock pot or something.
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So easy.
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Uh, yeah.
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You're on your own. And fend for yourself. Right. Right. I don't know if I blame college, but she'd be doing this at home too. Right. If you were, Definitely would have done that.
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I like it. Well, you see her every couple of weeks, but it'd be funny if she came back like for Christmas break, 225 pounds.
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I had opposite of you. You had gone, right? I had Volkov.
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Why do they have a Gracie in there? Just because of the name? And is that the best Gracie they could have? Because he seemed content to fight from his back. He just didn't half guard before he was thrown down.
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There's got to be a better Gracie is what I'm thinking.
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Yeah, that's fun. Is that in February?
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Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Oh, okay. Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
I don't know. It'd be funny if he had to pay someone like three and a half million dollars for it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. What is he going to do? whatever fricking number he wants. He could wear it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That's pretty good. Right? Like I brag and I'm an asshole on that show for sure. And I asked these guys if they wanted to concede, but yeah, it's right there in the beginning of the show. We give our best bets. We'll give him a bit bets the whole hour and a half. It's a lot of fun.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Underdogs. The house heats up with the underdogs in December.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Jaguars. Yeah. He made a case that said the Titans numbers were fraudulent. They're defensive numbers and a defensive player. Okay. But yeah, we have Cousin Sal's winning weekend on Friday against all odds. By the way, you want winter seven and one with our last eight basketball bets better than anyone else on the ringer. Actually, it's quite sad. No one can compete, but yeah. And then what else?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Through the ringer with Tate Frazier. I want to thank our friend, Kurt Schwarzkopf, the general hooked me up at the Intuit Dome. What did you do? Lots of fun.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
I got tickets. I saw the Clippers and the Trailblazers. I bet the Clippers that night. I know you gave your review of the place. I mean, I feel like I was buying a condo trying to get into the app and face scanning and all that shit. But once you're in, it's pretty great.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
They make it really hard. Games for the kids at the seats and everything. Ballmer did a nice job on the cheap.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Come on, Mike. I just want to kiss Patrick Mahomes' neck. That's all. I love all these quarterbacks. Why do we even get... When it boinked off and then you wait to see if it falls in the end zone, it's in. What do we even get excited about?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Do you think they, in the beginning of the year, got together and Andy Reid's like, this is boring, guys. Let's try this. Third. 31. 31's a number. Let's never score 31 points. I think they've scored 30 twice. And let's see if we can win all the games or all but one of the games. Because, I mean, really, that third and seventh play, they really are challenging themselves, right?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
If they don't get a first down, they're kicking a field goal, and then the Chargers can go right down. And he made it look so easy. And then just dumping it off to Kelsey makes the defender miss. And then hitting the goal post is like your uncle playing you in pool and saying, I'm going to call a bank shot on every ball. They're just screwing with you the whole time.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Let me ask you this. You start a team. Is it Josh Allen or Mahomes? And I guess I'm asking, are Mahomes' best years behind him, right? Because that's a different way of asking it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
I think maybe he has eclipsed. You can't say he's a better player because Mahomes has all the hardware. But if you're starting a team, what are you doing? You setting up a computer?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
But what about when you, all right, so compare them to Josh Allen. You think he's got a ton of a great supporting cast? Like those names are interchangeable, I think, with the Shakir, you know, the Shakirs.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, we get excited for Kelsey lumbering for eight yards on third and seven, right? Whereas Allen is just zipping it in between two defenders and forget about what he does with his legs. It's insane. He sent a fantasy record, right? 58 points or something?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That defense is excellent, I think, for most of the games they play. And you're right, they're physical. And like Collinsworth said it, when they were down 6-0, Harbaugh was like, I don't want to say Harbaugh's kind of got him where he wants, but this is the kind of game you want to play. Anytime the Chiefs aren't scoring 40, which it seems like forever now, you're in good shape.
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The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, I think it was two.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
One seed.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That's fine. As long as you have the Browns number one.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Definitely.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Okay. Next game. In Philadelphia, Eagles-Packers.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Tampa by three and a half.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Wow. So how many points off?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
That's why.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Nice.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Patriots Are Pathetic, Detroit Crushes Minnesota, Plus Wild-Card Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
it was constructive.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
Oh, yeah. I think people do that, right?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
Seems like a red flag.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
So having that experience brought in out, like priceless.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Protection money.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Just because this one guy is offended by it. And ultimately, what an awful precedent that these media companies have set.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Jon Stewart on a Knicks Disaster, the Soto Era, His ‘Daily Show’ Comeback, Bad Biden Coverage, and New York Fans | Plus: Is an OKC Title Now Inevitable?
My son was a couple years older than your kid. Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That's not. That's rough. That's rough.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It was just, it was magic.
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Yeah, Keith Smart shot. Yeah, 87? Yeah.
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