Charlotte Wilder

Yes. Hi.

It's me, Charlotte Wilder. I have to talk to you, Ryan Cortez. Hello. My reality show brother in arms.

How could you leave off selling OC, even from an OLI and Perfect Match, two Netflix shows of maximum chaos?

Perfect Match is, they take everybody from the Netflix reality family, because it is a family. They all love each other and care about each other very much. And then they put them on an island and then they all have to hook up with each other.

We're gonna do some non-reality stuff, right? Yeah, well, I was like, is this supposed to be a Christmas episode? And producers were like, yeah. And I was like, I better come in and say this thing because why are we talking about Below Deck? So, my mom's Jewish. My dad's not. So, I grew up doing Christmas.

So, my parents didn't. I would go to my cousin's house with my dad and my mom would meet us there later. Because she was like, I'm Jewish. I don't love this. I felt sort of cut out of this my whole life. Like, why should I suddenly buy in? And, like, when I asked my mom if Santa was real, she goes, Do you want me to tell you what you want to hear or do you want me to tell you the truth?

So as I enjoyed Christmas, as I got older and sort of realized how she felt about it, I was like, I felt sort of guilty for liking Christmas. Even though she was like, great, go for it. Like, love Christmas. Who cares?

Sieh, ich liebe das, weil ich auch, ich war am besten mit der Tooth Fairy. Ich würde ihre Schriften schreiben, wie, auch wenn ich nicht einen Tooth verliere, ich wäre so, jemand für die Tooth Fairy heute Abend, und ich wäre so, oh, okay.

Also, wie die Santa-Stuffe, wie mein Onkel und meine Onkel, sie würden einen Biss aus einem Karotten nehmen, den wir für den Regen nehmen würden, und sie würden ihn anziehen. Ich war so all in.

Ich liebe es, dass du dein ganzes Leben so konsistent bist. Ich stimme dazu.

Weißt du, wie Cortez sagte, dass er gesagt wurde, eine Top-5-Liste zu machen und sagte, ich werde alles tun, was ich will? Ich wurde nicht gesagt, eine Liste zu machen, aber ich habe eine Top-5-Liste gemacht. Und ich habe zwei gemacht, weil ich versucht habe, You made a top 10 list. No.

Two separate top 5 lists.

Meines ist wie ein Multi-Page-Google-Doc. Oh mein Gott.

Okay, naja, ich wollte... Du brauchst einen Editor. Verdammt, Cortez. Also, ich wollte euch sagen, warum ich Weihnachtslieder hasse, aber dann wusste ich, dass ich sie mag. Also habe ich nur zwei Liste meiner Lieblings- Weihnachtslieder gemacht.

Welche Teil davon verstehst du nicht? Es sind zwei Top 5 Liste. Zwei separate Liste. Eine Liste ist eine Weihnachtssong, Weihnachtssongs. Die andere ist gute Songs, die nicht nur Weihnachtssongs sind, sondern Weihnachtssongs sind.

The songs that aren't Christmas songs but are Christmas songs are songs you can listen to all year round.

Okay, number five. New York, New York by Frank Sinatra. Okay.

Is that it? Or is that a different Frank Sinatra song?

Echt? Frank Sinatra? Für mich ist Weihnachten schwarz und schmutzig. Ich glaube Frank Sinatra sollte in einem Steakhaus gespielt werden mit einem niedrigen Garten und viel Kleidung. Und das fühlt sich wie Weihnachten an. Wenn du mich über Weihnachten beschreiben würdest, wäre es ein Steakhaus.

Keens in New York City.

Nummer vier ist ein Lied, Wintering von den 1975.

Okay, number three. Tis the Damn Season by Taylor Swift. Thank you! Is this the most confident Christmas episode anybody's ever made?

Somebody who has left her hometown and goes to the big city to try and make it. And then she goes back home and it's about, you know, she's staying at her parents' house. And it's like the person she loved from home still lives there and drives a truck. That's pretty much it. But tis the damn season, which feels sort of Christmassy, right? I think it's about Christmas.

Yeah, but like a little more Christmassy. Okay. I've also never seen Die Hard.

Jesus, man. Big thumbs down.

I'm going to make you a playlist of the best ones.

Ich werde googeln, ob Alice in Chains eine Weihnachts-Song hat. Es heißt Rooster. Nr. 2, The Day After Tomorrow von Phoebe Bridgers.

Es ist ein Cover eines Tom Waits Songes. Absolut wunderschön.

Wer ist das?

Dennis Quaid?

Also, ja.

The Day After Tomorrow, oder The Day After Tomorrow, ist einer der schrecklichsten Lieder.

Er sagt, es ist wunderschön.

Even sadder song. Even more beautiful song. Double Phoebe Bridgers. Which is a cover of The Handsome Family.

See, it's a pretty song and she probably won't listen to the words that close. Or you could sing the tune and make up new words for her.

Tell her the truth.

Okay, second list, actual Christmas songs?

Or as I wrote down, Christmas song, Christmas songs?

Alright, starting with OLI.

Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree.

Yeah, that's a fun one, right? That's sort of like... Are we gonna get sued if I sing that one? I think I've gotten better at singing. I can't sing.

Rockin' around Christmas tree.

Dress so merrily around the town. Christmas won't be Christmas if we're flying in a car. That's how it goes, right? Yeah, so that's my OLI. Number four. Santa Tell Me by Ariana Grande.

No.

No, I have a fifth one. It's after the page break of my Google Doc.

I can make this five and switch five to four.

Number five, Santa Claus is Coming to Town, the Bruce Springsteen version.

It's an incredible song. The way he sings it with that sandpaper voice.

Santa Claus is coming to town.

Are we getting somewhere?

Okay. Number three. Fairytale of Philadelphia by the Kelsey Brothers. You know how Jason Kelsey did a Christmas album with the Eagles?

Deep in his baritone. Oops, that's not okay. Okay, wir können nicht mehr darüber reden, weil Nummer zwei ist Fairytale of New York von The Pogues.

Shane McGowan.

Legend. Das ist der Song, der Nummer drei von Fairytale of Philadelphia ist.

Ja, ich auch.

Ich auch. Ich habe weint.

Nein, das ist Nummer zwei.

Number one is All I Want for Christmas is You by Mariah Carey. That is an absolute banger. I...

Yeah, it's also the best choice. Some things are popular for a reason. Like this song and Taylor Swift.

I know the jingle.

I'm trying to think how it starts, actually. I don't want a lot for Christmas.

Did you just make up a Christmas song?

I feel like no one has ever mixed up what All I Want for Christmas Is You is before.

You want me to google rights-free Christmas songs?

That's Cortez.

Wipe out both my lists. There is only one good Christmas song. Greg Cody, whatever that was.

Some might say.

My most annoying friend growing up, her mom loved Michael Bublé, so I hate Michael Bublé.

I did.

I like it and I'm not going to put it in my hair.

Oh, das sieht gut aus.

Du weißt, ich bin so, oh, ich fühle mich nicht so gut, wenn ich mein Haar wasche. Aber ich fühle mich... Wie heute. Ich war so, ich sollte mein Haar wahrscheinlich vorher waschen, bevor ich auf der Kamera bin. Und ich war so, nein.

Ja, weil ich es noch nicht gewaschen habe.

Alle drei Wochen. Gott, Männer sind wild. Wie oft kriegst du einen Haarschnitt? Oh, nur, weißt du, zweimal im Jahr, drei Mal im Jahr. Was? Wann ich mich fühle. Wann ich mich fühle wie eine Horsenmutter, wenn ich meinen Haarschnitt bekomme.

I get Barry Melrose and Barry Manilow confused.

Ich habe ihn gehört. Ich bin nicht sicher.

Ich bin nicht sicher. Ist er ein Musiker oder ein Akteur? Ich denke, er ist Michael Bublé. Ich werde dir etwas sagen.

This just came full circle.

Oh, he sang Copacabana. Cortez, you know that song.

Copacabana. Is it like Casablanca?

Copacabana. That's my favorite Christmas song.

I don't know. That's what I'm saying, Dan. Like, my hand just spasmed and I threw it. And he was like, whoa. And I was like, wow, I'm so sorry.

I'm so excited. I have many thoughts. And I can't wait to hear all of yours.

You're listening to DraftKings Network.

And it just I was so happy for them. And they tried so hard and they did it. And it was a historic season. One of the best, maybe the best team ever. I don't know. You can't say it was luck. You can't say it was luck.

Yeah, enjoy a long and fruitful run, Dan.

A Celtics fan.

Well, it was me.

Got it.

Okay. All right. I was so excited. I was ready to come in here and be like, don't let him get one. And then you did that, Dan. Thanks a lot.

Love it. No, listen, listen. I highly recommend that everybody... have the experience of their team winning a championship. This is amazing. This is fun, guys. More people should do this. Why don't more people do this? This is a phenomenal, phenomenal experience. 10 out of 10. No notes.

Okay, well, I'm going to tear up. Yeah, did I cry maybe in the press box? That's fine, right? Nobody – look, a little thumbs up. Yeah, I was out with the team all night. We were partying. Just got back to my parents' house. I'm in their basement in Massachusetts. No, just kidding. They wouldn't even let me in the locker room, but I did try. Look, this – I just – this feels –

Like, I am such a sicko, guys. This is the point that I'm at. I was in the, I was watching them win, and I was like, oh, before they won, sorry. Pritchard hits that buzzer beater, which, by the way, can I just say I called it? They came in, he was in with four minutes. I mean, with four seconds to go at the end of the third. And I saw him stretching.

He was sort of stretching by the free throw line. And I was like, Pritchard is there. Like, he's going to do it. He's going to hit that buzzer beater. He gets the ball from Al Horford off that rebound. Sinks it from freaking Siberia. And I was like, oh, my God. Is this the next dynasty? Is this the next Warriors? Like, that is what a sicko I am right now, guys.

He practices these shots and Missoula puts him in. He's like Pritchard doesn't care if he messes up his three point percentage. He wants to take those shots. So we let him and he did in the finals. Dan, that's pretty cool.

All I'm saying, Dan, is that Joe Missoula, he doesn't get too high. He doesn't get too low. He said winning can be just as dangerous as losing, but he kept his team even keeled. Bunch of superstars. They all bought in. It was a team win. Don't put that up. Put me down.

They care about the Patriots. They care about the Bruins. They care about the Celtics. Can we replace the Bill inbox there for the visual listeners with just another inbox of me? Because look how I found these ski goggles in my parents' fricking hat closet or whatever. Yeah, thank you. There. This is what I want. I want double the Charlotte because these are heat tears. This isn't champagne.

These are heat tears.

I told you I was going to drink them, Dan. No, look, I got outside after the stadium after the game. It was like 115 because I had gone to the press conferences like any good journalist does. And it was still a little scary. You know, I was well, I had to walk like two blocks to get a car. And I was like, I don't know if I should be out here by myself. Dan, people care so much.

I think the fact that the Celtics took, like, in 2018, I remember Tatum and Brown, Eastern Conference Finals, and it sort of blew my mind. I was like, oh, my God, is this possible? It's 2024, and they have lost Eastern Conference Finals many times. They have lost the finals. They lost the Eastern Conference Finals to the Heat. Like, it took time for them to do this, and...

I think patience is expensive in sports. It's sort of unbelievable that the front office stuck with this long enough for this to happen. And they did it as a team. And I think that it made it so much sweeter that I remembered being in that building in 2022 and being like, This feels awful. Losing at home, it feels very, very bad. And then for them to win at home, it felt like it's euphoric.

I think that Boston, I think now the biggest team is the Patriots. I don't think there's any way around that. I think NFL has a much bigger hold on the country as a whole than any other sport. And I think that the Patriots, that dominance for 20 years, it was 20 years. That's a generation, right? I don't know how long a generation is. But I think that, yes, the Celtics carries...

They carry so much weight. But they haven't – look, they won in 1986. They won in 2008. They won in 2024. That's – in Boston terms, as obnoxious as it is to say this, that is long. 2008 to 2024 is like, well, we don't remember what this feels like for basketball, for everything else. Like it's the most obnoxious thing in the world to be a Boston fan.

Yeah, I know. I was alive for it. But at the same time, when I was growing up in the 90s, they won in 86, and then they didn't win until 2008, the Celtics. I think that is the handed-down generational love for this team. But I think every sport now, because it's been so dominant—

I guess something that was exciting, Dan, last night was to see how much fans cared, how much fans cared about the fact that this was not just a rote championship. This was not like, oh, cool, they did it again. Like, this felt, the garden was so loud. It was, even in a blowout in the fourth quarter, everybody was just losing their mind.

And I was very, I was proud because I was berating fans a couple weeks ago for leaving early, and they didn't leave early. So yes, I think the weight of This team has care in the history has carried a lot of that. But I think it's also just the heartbreak of the last, you know, seven years that has made that that made this feel so good.

By the way, that's going to be the... First of all, can we get me back in the double box? What happened? I really like that. That was fun. That was exciting for me.

Maximum me. You have 20 seconds left. This is about me right now, Dan. You have 20 seconds.

First of all, the name of my memoir is going to be Crying in the Press Box, a Charlotte Wilder story. No, Dan, it was it was that, you know, that's where I grew up in and around that city. It felt very, I think, for me personally, just to be there. And this is my job. And there was sort of a full circle moment. And they lost so many times in the past seven years. And then they won.

I'm not mad at it. I mean, I think calling anyone Nafisa Collier is like the highest compliment you could give them as a basketball player, so Jokic should be honored. I do also... Ich kann nicht sehen, wie sie das Spiel so komplett kontrolliert. Und ihre Assistenzen, da gibt es einige Vergleiche zu Jokic. Ich meine, es gibt viele Vergleiche zu den Elite-Passern im Spiel, aber dann die Defense.

Viele der Jungs in der NBA, die wirklich gut passen können, kommen nicht unbedingt zurück auf die andere Seite des Flurs. Roz, wie fühlst du dich darüber?

Defensively, I'm struggling to think of an accurate comp for Nafisa in the NBA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm having trouble thinking of an NBA player who is as elite at both offense and defense. Maybe LeBron for his blocks, and he's amazing in general. Aber sie ist immer so gut am defensiven Ende des Balls, während sie auch, wie du gesagt hast, den Offen durchführt.

Ich weiß nicht, ob es einen gibt.

Oh, ja. Sie ist großartig. Sie ist unglaublich.

No, I love it. I was going to say that and then sort of stopped myself because I was like, well, are they dating? Is that bias in my head because they're popping up together and tweeting about each other? The Kevin Durant, I do see just in terms of length, I think, too. But Bam also has that. And I guess... I just feel like Asia is so dominant on offense in a way that Bam sometimes is not.

But again, I think it's really hard for a one to one comparison for these stars, because they're the stars in the NBA and the stars for the WNBA. die Skillsets sind wirklich nicht gleich. Es ist nicht ein eins für eins. Es ist so, dass all diese Superstar ihre eigenen Dinge haben, die sie so unglaublich machen. Also versuchen wir wirklich nur ziemlich nahe zu kommen.

Und ich denke, dass BAM in Bezug auf ihre... Sie geben sich nicht ab. Keiner von ihnen. Wie du gesagt hast, Roz, der Motor. Sie sind einfach so konsistent. Also mag ich das.

Ich meine, ich kann mich noch nicht an jemanden erinnern. Du hörst Caitlin Clark und es ist wie, naja, wahrscheinlich Steph, in Bezug auf das, was sie beide von dem Logo gemacht haben. Also, du weißt, ich kann nicht wirklich mit dem argumentieren. Vielleicht temperamentell, vielleicht manchmal Draymond. Aber, weißt du, minus das, minus das Schrecken, etc.

Aber, weißt du, sie kann ein bisschen schmerzen.

Ich meine, ich denke, das ist ziemlich gut. Ich würde eigentlich Jalen Brown sagen. Na ja, nein, ich glaube, Sabrina's Passen sind besser als Jalen. Entschuldige, erzähle, was du sagen musst. Nein, nein, nein, nein, weil ich denke, dass ich denke, dass sie beide, sie haben das Klatsch. Ich glaube, dass Jalen nicht genug Kredit dafür bekommt.

Und ich glaube, dass sie beide sehr gut auf der Verteidigung zurückkommen. Ich glaube, Jalen ist viel besser geworden in Bezug auf seine Fähigkeit, von irgendwoher zu scoren. Ich glaube, er ist seltsam für den Finals-MVP. Und ich sage das nicht nur, weil ich ein Celtics-Fan bin. Ich bekomme das jetzt aus dem Weg. Ich glaube nicht.

Und weil Jason Tatum seine ganze Karriere mit ihm verbracht hat, denke ich nicht, dass er die Schleimhaut bekommen hat, die er hätte, wenn er die einzige Star wäre. Aber Luca, der Pass, ist schwierig zu argumentieren, wenn man an Sabrina denkt und Luca denkt.

Luka spielt auch nicht wirklich Defense.

Well, I chose Roz last time, so I can't do that again. I would, you know, my co-host of the Sports Gossip Show, Madeline Hill, is wonderful, a wonderful person, super talented, very funny, and I just really can't recommend highly enough that everybody smash that follow button. I think it's at mad underscore hill.

Thank you so much. It's been way too much fun.

Thanks for having me, Megan. Great to see you, Roz. Always an absolute joy. I'm so psyched to be back.

Oh, well, you guys have to, everybody listening, check out Pablo Torre Finds Out and Oddball for two debriefs on Amina and I went to the Skirvin Hotel in Oklahoma City. Roz, your face, have you heard of this?

Okay, wir müssen dich definitiv anrufen, denn wir haben viel zu tun. Wir werden wahrscheinlich auch ein Video mit den Pfistern machen, weil die Thunders Sicherheitsführerin sagte, dass ich in Milwaukee verletzt war und ein paar andere Leute waren. Wir haben keine Boots auf dem Boden. Ich habe definitiv einige spukige Vibes an der Skirvan.

Ich denke, es hat diesen existenziellen Knochen von Wurmen geöffnet, wo ich mir denke, was glaube ich spirituell? So, maybe it got a little deeper than our producers intended, but, you know, the jury's still out on the ghosts, Megan.

Amazing.

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