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Charlie Warzel

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The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I would agree with that. But I think, too, you know, they were... up against a lot of pressure there. And they were always trying to do the very least. They were being dragged along by people. But Zuckerberg did an interview in March or April of 2020 with my old boss, who was at The Times then, Ben Smith, about COVID misinformation.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And it was like the first interview I'd really heard from Zuckerberg, where he was basically like, no, it's good that we're like censoring, quote unquote, right? Like, it's good that we're taking action against this. This is a very clear cut situation in which there is actual harm, you know, connected to this type of content, these type of words, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And it was like the first interview I'd really heard from Zuckerberg, where he was basically like, no, it's good that we're like censoring, quote unquote, right? Like, it's good that we're taking action against this. This is a very clear cut situation in which there is actual harm, you know, connected to this type of content, these type of words, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And it was like the first interview I'd really heard from Zuckerberg, where he was basically like, no, it's good that we're like censoring, quote unquote, right? Like, it's good that we're taking action against this. This is a very clear cut situation in which there is actual harm, you know, connected to this type of content, these type of words, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And I think – I bet you if you had to, like, read that to him in front of him, he would just, like, cringe, like, full body, right? Because I think there's this real understanding in his mind, in the mind of a lot of the people who he's running with in these circles in Silicon Valley and in the world of, like, UFC or jujitsu or whatever, that there's this –

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And I think – I bet you if you had to, like, read that to him in front of him, he would just, like, cringe, like, full body, right? Because I think there's this real understanding in his mind, in the mind of a lot of the people who he's running with in these circles in Silicon Valley and in the world of, like, UFC or jujitsu or whatever, that there's this –

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And I think – I bet you if you had to, like, read that to him in front of him, he would just, like, cringe, like, full body, right? Because I think there's this real understanding in his mind, in the mind of a lot of the people who he's running with in these circles in Silicon Valley and in the world of, like, UFC or jujitsu or whatever, that there's this –

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

you know, this huge overreach during the COVID and the, you know, the lead up to the 2020 election. And then of course the big one, right after January 6th, you know, getting rid of Trump, all of that stuff. I mean, the fact that this announcement is taking place on January 7th, four years later is like, it's a big, like middle finger.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

you know, this huge overreach during the COVID and the, you know, the lead up to the 2020 election. And then of course the big one, right after January 6th, you know, getting rid of Trump, all of that stuff. I mean, the fact that this announcement is taking place on January 7th, four years later is like, it's a big, like middle finger.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

you know, this huge overreach during the COVID and the, you know, the lead up to the 2020 election. And then of course the big one, right after January 6th, you know, getting rid of Trump, all of that stuff. I mean, the fact that this announcement is taking place on January 7th, four years later is like, it's a big, like middle finger.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I feel like to this idea of like the hall monitors, like you have lost is I think what he's trying to communicate here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I feel like to this idea of like the hall monitors, like you have lost is I think what he's trying to communicate here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I feel like to this idea of like the hall monitors, like you have lost is I think what he's trying to communicate here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Well, yes. And you know what? I'll take the blame. I agree with that completely. I've been covering this company for, you know, I don't know, more than a decade now.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Well, yes. And you know what? I'll take the blame. I agree with that completely. I've been covering this company for, you know, I don't know, more than a decade now.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Well, yes. And you know what? I'll take the blame. I agree with that completely. I've been covering this company for, you know, I don't know, more than a decade now.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And there's this classic thing that Zuckerberg especially does where he sort of rolls out something new and basically says, like, he speaks as if he has amnesia from the past or as if like, you know, a totally new paradigm has formed, right? It's like, we're getting into groups, we're getting into community building. Everyone just wants to gather with people around shared interests.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And there's this classic thing that Zuckerberg especially does where he sort of rolls out something new and basically says, like, he speaks as if he has amnesia from the past or as if like, you know, a totally new paradigm has formed, right? It's like, we're getting into groups, we're getting into community building. Everyone just wants to gather with people around shared interests.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And there's this classic thing that Zuckerberg especially does where he sort of rolls out something new and basically says, like, he speaks as if he has amnesia from the past or as if like, you know, a totally new paradigm has formed, right? It's like, we're getting into groups, we're getting into community building. Everyone just wants to gather with people around shared interests.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And then like QAnon happens and he's like, I don't know what people were, were, were doing, you know, trying to gather in these groups that were just forcing people into these groups. So what we really want to do is this, like they were all about news and prioritizing the newsfeed. I mean, when I worked at Buzzfeed in 2013, one day, literally just one day in October, uh,