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The last time I took drugs, I probably took more than anybody could survive, you know? What are we talking about? How much? I don't know, man. I was banging seven gram rocks and finishing them because that's how I roll. I have one speed. I have one gear. Go.
The last time I took drugs, I probably took more than anybody could survive, you know? What are we talking about? How much? I don't know, man. I was banging seven gram rocks and finishing them because that's how I roll. I have one speed. I have one gear. Go.
The last time I took drugs, I probably took more than anybody could survive, you know? What are we talking about? How much? I don't know, man. I was banging seven gram rocks and finishing them because that's how I roll. I have one speed. I have one gear. Go.
Because I'm me. Because I'm me. I'm different. I just have a different constitution. I have a different brain. I have a different heart. I have a different, you know, I get tiger blood, man.
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Or it's going to get a lot worse.
Scary, this could spark off some kind of a real violent conflict.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
You know, that guy had a lot of fans.
A lot of people loved that guy.
And if they find out that he got killed for something that they vehemently oppose in the first place, it could send people over the edge.
Like the Rodney King film.
Something just like that's it.
But they talk about... It just clips his ear.
And then it's just, yeah.
And then it clips his ear, where if he didn't turn his head, he'd be dead.
And it would have been on live on CNN.
That story is fucked.
There's a lot of weird stuff with that story.
There's a cell phone that was traveling because of metadata.
They know a cell phone was traveling from offices outside of the offices of the FBI in that area all the way to this guy multiple times.
His apartment was professionally scrubbed.
There was no silverware in it.
He had no social media presence.
He was regularly training with military guys.
He was regularly training and shooting.
One guy had remembered him from a range.
He was in a Black Rock commercial two years before.
Oh, that's, well, good on him for not holding a grudge, too.
The excuse for why they didn't have officers on that rooftop was it was too sloped.
The slope was too steep, which made zero sense.
Because he climbed up it.
What the fuck are you talking about?
It didn't make any sense.
Not only that, the one where the snipers were perched had a steeper slope.
They found that guy walking around the grounds a half an hour before the event with a fucking range finder.
You're going to shoot something.
Sorry I lost that thought earlier.
I was like, where the hell was I going?
Well, it's a complicated thing to think about.
You know, it's very strange, man.
And, you know, we've talked about it a bunch of times, but it bears repeating.
I think a lot of it is highlighted by bots.
A lot of it is, uh, people are being inflamed online by people that aren't even real accounts.
Like, why did I go off the rails?
Oh, there's a lot of that going on.
I think it's a giant percentage of all online discourse where people are hating and saying mean things about people's political beliefs or anti-Israel things or anti-Palestine things or whatever.
I just think a giant ton of that is foreign governments who are running these bot farms.
You know, it's like, and it's very reasonable.
And it's been proven.
They know for a fact.
China actually got caught recently.
What was this, the chat GPT thing?
They were using open AI software.
Yeah, and they were commenting on blocking of USAID money and a bunch of different political subjects.
But what they're basically doing is just getting people to fight.
That's what they want.
They want constant fighting, constant – like we have to take action.
We have to – constantly stoking the flames.
So it's not even organic.
Some of it's organic for sure, but a lot of it is being enhanced by foreign governments for sure.
and probably some of it by our own government.
What they did with the Manson family, you think they stopped there?
You think some of that kind of stuff isn't going on right now that we don't know about right now because there hasn't been a Tom O'Neill to write a book about it?
I don't think anybody but Charlie Sheen knows what it's like to be Charlie Sheen.
I don't think we can.
I think it is what it is.
I think we just have to deal with that.
Well, listen, man, it was great to finally actually meet you.
I really enjoyed talking to you.
No, you seemed cool right off the bat, man.
You had some great stories, too.
It's amazing your brain works as good as it does considering all the things you've done to it.
And in my estimation, there are a scant few people that have become massive superstars at a young age.
If you think about it.
You actually look way better than you've looked in a long time, I think.
I think the sobriety suits you.
You look really healthy.
I have one of those sauna blankets.
But do you travel with it?
I do if I know that there's not going to be a sauna.
A lot of times I'll just try to find a place that has a sauna.
You definitely can though.
It's worth it, though.
Those are great because those sauna blankets are great because they're portable and you could always just get it in.
I really genuinely prefer a real sauna if you have one because I like to stretch out in the sauna.
It's the best time ever to stretch.
And came through it sane.
That's a lot of what Bikram is.
You know, a lot of it is heat shock therapy.
You know, it's also the yoga and the exercises, which are great.
And also the fact that you're more pliable when you're really warm and heated up like that, which really helps.
But a lot of what there was actually a study that they were doing at Harvard.
I don't know if they completed it.
But they were doing it a couple years back about the benefits of hot yoga and whether they're comparable to the known medical benefits of sauna, which are pretty well documented.
I have to think it's got to be similar because I've been in both.
I've been in a lot of hot saunas and I've done a lot of hot yoga.
And because of the exercise, I think you reach very similar body temperatures.
I know people that have regained equilibrium and got their footing back and now they're on the right track.
And your heart rate jacks up because you're so hot.
You could barely cool yourself off with a glass of water when they let you have a sip.
In between things, you're allowed to take a sip of water.
But it's real similar.
And it's 90 minutes, which is fucking brutal.
You can get through a real good Bikram hot yoga class.
At the end of that, man, you're good.
If we all did that every day, it was like how everyone started their day, the world would be so much more peaceful.
It'd be a much, much, much better place.
And you don't have to fucking do anything hard in the gym.
You don't have to lift weights.
You don't have to punch the bag.
All those things are great.
But just do a hot yoga class for 90 minutes every day.
You will live in a different world.
You'll live in a world of kindness and sweet people and hello, friend.
But no one gets through without a hiccup.
And it's a constant battle to see if you can use 100% effort.
You're constantly battling.
Can I hold this pose for 15 more seconds?
Everyone kind of goes crazy because you're living in this completely alien world that no one can help you navigate.
Right, because you're always doing it 100% of what you can do.
That shows you how hyper-dialed in he is.
Even in the middle of a yoga class, he's got to run out.
He's probably thinking about it with every pose.
They just had to write it down.
Had to write it down.
Had to write it down.
Because most people aren't allowed to leave the class.
But Quincy Jones has to write some shit down for Thriller.
You got to let him leave.
Thank you for being here.
Best of luck for you in everything.
And a bunch of your friends.
It's still an alien world that you live in that no one that you run into during the day except the people like that can understand.
Which is like, people are always like, why do celebrities just hang out with each other?
Well, because to them, they're the only people that are normal.
They're the only people that like, I get it.
I can't go to the supermarket either.
Yeah, I get fucking TMZ'd at the airport as well.
It's like it's normal for them because everybody else is like, whoa, it's Charlie Sheen.
And they're just captivated.
Like you kind of need to be around people that understand what that life is like.
You can't rely on them for everything.
Because they're going through it, too.
Can I just get a tissue?
Just say you lost your thought.
It happens all the time.
It happens to me, too.
It's also brains are just not that good.
You know, they're pretty good compared to chimpanzees and dogs and stuff like that.
But, you know, they have a lot of issues.
Well, they want to get a million pictures just to get that perfect one where there's a little bit of side eye to you, just a little something.
Just like when you're talking about your memories.
Like my memories of my whole life are like a series of blurry snapshots that I can go, oh, yeah, and then we went there.
Oh, yeah, that happened.
There's very few memories that I have that are like rock solid memories.
And there's also the real possibility that you have false memories and people do that all the time.
And they've even shown that they can introduce memories into people's minds.
And then with enough sort of encouragement or revisiting it, that person will accept it as a pure memory.
A little purse of the lips.
And they'll talk about it like outside of that and they'll have no knowledge that it was a false memory.
Yeah, because it's just not a good system.
It's a system designed to keep you away from scary things.
Like there's the wolf.
Oh, get away from the wolf.
You know, wolves are bad.
I remember wolves are bad.
That's the spider that's poison.
Get away from that spider.
That spider is poison.
But like day to day, every day, normal shit.
It's like how much of a memory does it really need to keep?
It's just your brain's just not that good.
Great to finally meet you, man.
Yeah, they get narratives.
And you start repeating the memory and your memory becomes of you repeating the memory.
So it's like you don't even really have the memory anymore.
You know how to say it.
Was it Unabomber Witness?
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Well, there's also the factor that the Unabomber was such a traumatic event that this person was probably super freaked out, which is when your memory is the worst.
What I really don't like is the people who like it.
That's why eyewitness accounts of like murders and chaos.
And then they'll convince themselves that they're right because they've already said it.
Not that I don't like them, is that I don't want to ever see that in myself.
So then the ego gets involved.
And then, you know, it's just traumatic events leave you.
You're in a high state of anxiety and you're not thinking clearly.
And, you know, like when when they have events like like say like 9-11, if you were anywhere near that and you saw like people jump off the buildings and fall to their deaths or like your memories of that are probably really clear because it was fucking crazy.
But your memories of that.
people that you might have saw that were running away, or maybe you saw a guy in a van and he looked fishy, or maybe this or maybe that.
And then a few days go by and you probably haven't slept well, you're all freaked out.
Your memory's probably a mess.
It's probably filled with the news now, and then there's other people's eyewitness accounts, and you don't know what the fuck happened.
And so when I'd be around them, I would just go, oh, I got to get out of here.
You see someone die, you see someone jump off a building, you don't remember that.
But there's some stuff that is just...
You know, this is one of the scariest things about transhumanism is that it's really appealing in the idea that they give you a little hard drive in your brain.
And now from now on, every time you want a memory, you can go just like, you know, you look on your phone like your iPhone on this day in 2017.
You're like, oh, look at us.
You're going to be able to do that in your brain, you know, and the way that we're going to buy into it is because our memory sucks.
Do you remember your phone number when you were a kid?
Oh, they're still rocking the landline.
Oh, and then people start talking in the background?
They're rocking a landline with an answering machine in 2025.
It's probably the way to do it.
I used to love the answering machine.
When you come home, the light would be flashing.
Like, someone likes me.
It was like you had a dog coming home to visit you when you came home.
Yeah, that was a wild time where you could get phone calls.
That's the other thing is like you got famous before the internet too, which is a different world.
It's a different world because there's not that many of you.
There's way less famous people.
There's way more famous people now.
You got famous, like super duper famous at 21 years old with no internet.
How does anybody expect you to come out normal?
And for some people, they can't leave it alone.
They have to live stream during the day.
They're live streaming from their trailer.
They're live streaming in their car on the way home.
They're just locked into this weird new world that we're living in.
I think it's those things, and it's also that thing that you said that you didn't ever get, they're scared of.
You didn't ever get alone time.
Just time to decompress and think.
You know, photographers like it.
No phone, no TV, just fucking sit on the couch and just catch your breath.
And they don't want that.
They're scared of that.
So they're just constantly engaged with something.
It's nice to just shut off, right?
It's all work, no play.
And bad for your work, too, because it makes you just kind of, it gets dreary.
There's a lot of people.
You don't have the same enthusiasm for it anymore.
You know, it's like you need discipline, but you also need enthusiasm.
There's a lot of lights flashing.
When you first got Platoon, did you have any idea what the fuck was going to happen?
For people today to understand how big that movie was, because it was one of the very first realistic war movies.
And I think very importantly, it was done by Oliver Stone, who was actually a veteran of the Vietnam War.
Remembering what you wrote down?
I'm not going to forget it again.
But it was a different kind of war movie, you know?
Much in the lines of your dad's movie.
And that was a very different kind of war movie as well.
The only way that would be happening in real life is if like you were on trial.
Yeah, I don't think it matters.
You know, like you were being paraded in front of a bunch of people.
I would love to ask, I mean, I've had Oliver on a couple times, but I would love to ask him what it's like to make a movie about a war that he was starring in.
And like, what kind of bizarre mental conflicts...
I mean, he talked a little bit about his experience in Vietnam, but I don't think we really talked about.
Did we talk about the making of Platoon?
We got so heavy into the JFK assassination, we hardly covered anything else.
Especially the last time he was on.
The last time he was on was when they were doing that Showtime JFK documentary.
It was a Showtime thing, right?
Where there was a multi-part piece that he put together.
You have a conversation with him.
He's pulling up dates.
I mean, how old is Oliver at this point in time?
A little bit of a perp walk.
The dude was just pulling up dates and names.
And Alan Dulles did this.
Well, it was just like the entire Warren Commission report is like citing different passages in it.
And just a little bit of a mental illness exhibition.
But there is a lot of people that wanted him dead.
And for sure, there was a lot of fuckery going on with the Warren Commission.
There's a lot of nonsense with the autopsies.
There's a lot of nonsense with the single bullet going through both him and Connolly and Connolly.
leaving more bullet fragments in Connolly's wrist than that magic bullet was missing, the one they found.
The story's filled with bullshit.
And no one really knew how much bullshit it was until they had that video that they played of the Zapruder film on the Geraldo Rivera show.
When Dick Gregory came on and was a comedian, which was pretty wild, came on and had the footage of the Kennedy assassination.
Everybody sees Kennedy's head go back and to the left.
Also, it clearly looks like he got shot in the chest, too.
Like when he grabs his neck.
It clearly looks like he got shot right there.
But, you know, there's two different autopsies.
There's the autopsy in Dallas that says it's an entry wound.
And then there's the autopsy in Bethesda, Maryland that says it's tracheotomy.
Two different autopsies.
And it also looks like by the time they got to Bethesda, they kind of glued his head back together again, or at least put the pieces back to take a photo of it.
It's like more was missing from what they were talking about in Dallas than the Bethesda.
There's a great book called Best Evidence by David Lifton.
And he was an accountant and they had some sort of assignment involving the Warren Commission report.
And so he decided to do is read the entire thing.
And so in the reading of the entire thing, he finds so many contradictions, so many things that don't make any sense.
that he starts becoming obsessed.
And then he finds out how many people who are witnesses to the assassination wind up dying mysteriously.
All those people that were hanging around, like a giant ton of them.
Died in car accidents.
Oh yeah, that's the guy, that's the reason why they had to come up with the magic bullet theory.
I don't know if he dug weird, but he was hit with a ricochet.
And because they knew that the overpass, that's why they had that.
And they were like, okay, how do we fix this?
We said only one guy did it.
It's only three shots, so how do we come up with a reasonable excuse?
And they came up with the magic bullet.
I think it was Arlen Spector.
Yeah, I think it was his idea.
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They just bullshitted people.
But back then, you can get away with that.
It was pretty easy to just bullshit people.
Well, they had the Zapruder film for a long time.
I think Time Life had it.
And then somehow or another Dick Gregory got it.
They probably did at one point in time.
But now, obviously, you can see the whole thing.
And then it's also been AI enhanced.
I don't know if you've seen the AI enhanced one.
I mean, I think he was shot from multiple angles simultaneously.
I think he was shot both from the back and from the front.
And I think Lee Harvey Oswald, if he wasn't involved, he certainly wasn't innocent.
He was probably the guy they were going to frame it on.
But I think he was in on the whole thing.
And I think he killed a cop afterwards as well.
There's so many rabbit holes to go down.
It was just nuts that no one was brought to justice and we know for sure more people were involved than Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.
There were more people involved and no one was brought to justice and they got away with it.
We don't want to think that they get away with things like killing the president.
And blaming it on a lone gunman, a lone nut.
Oh, they knew everything about him.
They printed articles about him before it was even over.
And then the Jack Ruby thing, where Jack Ruby goes completely insane in jail after he's visited by Jolly West, who is the head of MKUltra, who is routinely dosing people with acid.
Jolly West cooked Jack Ruby's brain in jail and just left him insane.
This is one of the best books.
I thought it was going to be too quick.
90 minutes, I didn't think was like enough time.
It's only 90 minutes, right?
Yeah, maybe they could try again.
That needs to be like an eight-part, two-hour-a-piece series.
Yeah, because it's so nuts.
Just the provable actual facts are so nuts.
That very likely Charles Manson was a CIA asset.
Very likely they had groomed him when he was in prison and taught him mind control techniques when people were high on acid.
Taught him how to be sober but pretend he's on acid and how to interact with these people that are on acid and shape their mind and even get them to commit murder.
What's really funny, when you first walked into the studio, you brought up a tweet that I had sent in 2011.
I think that it was a story for a magazine and it was just about the anniversary of the murders.
You know, just give us a piece, you know, so people go, wow, crazy.
Twenty five years later.
And then he gets obsessed and he starts realizing, well, this guy was full of shit and that guy was right.
Freedom of Information Act.
Operation Midnight Climax.
The government was running whorehouses?
They were running whorehouses and using two-way mirrors and dosing Johns and filming them?
And this has to do with Manson?
Like, what the fuck was going on?
And then you realize that it was all a psyop to try to demonize the peace, love, and stop war movement.
I think this is when you were going crazy.
And what they really wanted to do was stop the anti-war movement and do something to curb the cultural change that was happening.
And so their strategy was to turn hippies into murderers.
And I think this was also when my friend Russell Peters was doing those tours with you.
Like, what kind of cultural change would have taken place?
Because if you think about what happened between 1950 and 1960, it's like the world becomes a different place in 10 years.
Between 1960 and 1970 is like, what –
It's very psychedelic.
And then Nixon comes along in 1970, passes this sweeping Schedule I Act, makes all mushrooms and LSD, makes everything illegal, all to stop the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.
When they're doing this Manson stuff.
So it was a concerted effort across the board to stop the anti-war movement and to stop the civil rights movement.
He said, I need to get Charlie Sheen on my podcast.
They were like, we're losing control and power.
And so, I mean, it was an evil thing to do, but you kind of got to give them credit because it's pretty brilliant.
Like they actually pulled it off.
You think of serial killer, you think of Manson.
You think of the family.
Oh, my God, these hippies are murderous.
They're a bunch of murderous freaks on drugs, cutting women's babies out of their stomachs and writing pig on the wall.
I know it's a long shot, but a boy could dream.
And our own goddamn government engineered it.
They engineered, they stopped what was probably one of the most beautiful cultural shifts in this country's history.
Yeah, we probably would have rethought government.
We probably would have rethought the type of people that we want as leaders.
We would have rethought our involvement in foreign wars.
There would have been no support for it.
We would have rethought what psychedelic drugs can do for you versus the bad aspects of them.
Well, here we are 14 years later.
We would have rethought everything.
The music would have been a lot better.
Music took a big dip after they got rid of the drugs that were good and brought in the coke.
I mean, that completely demonized any peace, love, and any of that kind of movement.
Those people became a real problem now because you're now connected to Manson.
It's kind of nuts that it was really all engineered by the government.
It's really that in and of itself is a terrible crime, that they sort of engineered society to their benefit so that they could maintain control.
It's funny because back then I had no guests.
And the way they did it is by getting a horrible con who had been in and out of jail his whole life and teaching him how to run a cult.
I think I had Anthony Bourdain was the only real guest that I had had.
My wife's mom was a hippie.
You have a connection to this.
My wife's mom, she was a hippie in Haight-Ashbury, and she went to the Haight-Ashbury free clinic.
Treated at that clinic.
You know, that clinic didn't shut down until after Tom O'Neill's book came out.
That clinic would have been running for over 50 years.
So it ran until like 2022?
It closed shortly after that book came out.
They're like, hey, we're good.
Let's get out of here.
And that clinic also connected to Jolly West.
That clinic also connected to all sorts of other marijuana experience.
Yeah, he was 2011 as well.
San Francisco is where they were doing Operation Midnight Climax.
That's where they had a brothel.
These are the people that are supposed to be like, protect and serve.
Look out for your best interests.
These motherfuckers are creating Manson and completely shifting society and turning people into whatever the fuck we became in the 70s and the 80s.
That dude read the foreword and was like, guys, we got a problem.
That's probably how long it took them just to clear the building out.
And try to figure out whether they're going to kill Tom O'Neill.
He's actually my good friend, Greg Fitzsimmons.
He was his neighbor in New York when he first started working on this.
And then he became his neighbor also in Venice.
He's been his neighbor for like 20 years.
So Greg's followed him from this entire journey.
And Greg had been telling me about it for years.
I'm like, when's your friend going to get that fucking book done?
He tells me the whole story, how it took so long.
He's like, you've got to have him on.
First of all, I listened to the book first before I had him on.
I listened to the audio version.
I was like, this is nuts.
I would do it mostly with my friends, mostly with other comics.
If this is all true, this is fucking insane.
They really did engineer a murderous cult of hippies.
The CIA was doing that.
We would just sit and talk shit.
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It's like I had too many weirdos that I had to bring by my house.
Sometimes things get messy, but it's like they...
You talk to like your average boomer who just watches cable news and reads the newspaper.
I kind of avoided parties.
They never believe this in a million years.
No, never read the book.
And then when things get proven, they never apologize.
Never apologize for your baseless conspiracy theories that all turned out to be true.
And I have young kids at the time.
Because, you know, conspiracies are fucking real, okay?
This conspiracy theory pejorative that they really started foisting on the American public during the Kennedy assassination was for that very reason.
They wanted to make it ridiculous for you to be interested.
That's what the term was coined.
That's what the term became popularized.
Apparently the term existed before that.
We researched this, right?
They were really young.
I was like, this is just too strange to bring these weirdos by my house.
Didn't we Google the original term of conspiracy theorist?
It's quite a bit earlier, but it was never like a thing in the public zeitgeist.
It became a thing during the Kennedy assassination because a lot of people were questioning it because it looked weird.
Even the people that hadn't seen the Zapruder film, everything just seemed off.
And there was rumblings amongst people that were there.
The big one was the shots from the grassy knoll.
Many people talked about gunshots.
And you see smoke near where the bushes are.
And it's not a good photo, but it's good enough that you go, hmm.
It's just too... It was too uniform to...
You know, people were, they all were pointing.
We heard shots from back there.
There is a thing that does happen, especially if you look at Dealey Plaza.
Have you ever driven through?
It's weird to be there.
First of all, it's so little.
I was like, maybe some people shouldn't know exactly where I sleep.
Yeah, it's real little.
Yeah, that's that's a weird thing to add.
Well, a lot of people hated Kennedy back then.
It's hard for us to reconcile now today because we think of him as like one of our greatest presidents.
Of course, because he got murdered.
We always love him after they get shot.
But when he was alive, this this was like half the country fucking hated him.
And then there was the Bay of Pigs disaster where we lost a lot of people because Kennedy didn't give them air support.
He wasn't told about the invasion until like last moment and air support was crucial to its success.
He denied air support.
A bunch of people died that weren't going to die.
And so those guys on the ground – my friend Evan has a theory.
My friend Evan who owns Black Rifle Coffee who was a ranger himself –
But he said, like, those guys, those are hard-nosed killers.
And if they think that they lost their brothers because this fucking piece of shit didn't give them the air support that they deserved, it was Kennedy's idea, and you tell them that you want to get that guy killed, like, oh, fucking sign me up.
Those guys would do it.
He's like, those would be the type of guys you would have do something like that, and they would probably tell you this would be a perfect place to do it.
That tight little turn.
Anybody who says, by the way, because conspiracies get, everybody gets binary on this one way or another.
I believe this or I believe that.
Anybody who says that Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't make that shot has never shot a rifle.
If the rifle's on, it was not that far.
I'm not saying he could do it 100 times out of 100.
But the possibility of him having that rifle ready, he's got a scope, he's got a rest, the car comes into view, you roll the sight onto his back, you squeeze off around, squeeze off around, and you get a headshot in there.
Yeah, that's probably how we should do it.
I don't think he acted alone.
If he did do it, he might have done it.
He might have shot at him.
He might have even hit him once.
There was other people.
He was the patsy, and I think when he said, I'm just a patsy, the way he said it was not like a guy who murdered somebody.
The way he said it was like, I can't believe they set me up.
So I think he was in on a bunch of it.
I just don't think he pulled the trigger.
Or if he did pull the trigger, he was one of many people that pulled the trigger.
But there was a lot of other people saying, oh, he couldn't have made those shots because the rifle scope was off.
That's, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because I could get your rifle scope to be off in five seconds.
If your rifle scope is perfect, is it zeroed in?
I drop it on the ground.
It'll be off by six inches at 200 yards.
You're going to move that thing.
They require micro adjustments with little Allen wrenches and hex keys and shit.
They don't torque them too much.
You get it dialed in perfect.
Just put everybody in a blindfold and put them in the back of an SUV and drive them to an undisclosed location.
Yeah, of course that thing could get knocked off easy.
Like almost instantly you could knock that thing off.
There is a thing about the tree, though.
They cut it out for the reenactment.
But he had a clear field of view for at least a brief amount of time.
And that's all you need.
That's all you need if you were good and if you practiced.
And I'm assuming that if you're going to go shoot the president, you'll probably get used to firing off a few rounds.
I avoid basically everything.
You'll probably set up a target.
So you're not going to just hope that your accuracy is still there from three years ago.
You're going to practice.
So if you're going to practice, you're going to be even quicker at wrapping a new round.
He could have done it.
None of the evidence seems to point in that direction, including all the evidence that they try to fabricate.
Like the magic bullet one is nuts.
Anybody who's ever shot anything with a bullet who looks at that and believes that went through two people and broke bones.
That looks like it got shot into a swimming pool.
It doesn't look like it ever hit anything.
Yeah, we have to walk away.
They're out of their mind.
I could show them, like, let's go take a bone from a cow.
Let's set up a bone from a cow, and I'll shoot it at 100 yards.
And let's take a look at that bullet.
It's not going to look anything like that.
It's going to be all fucked up.
And there's the fragments.
There's missing fragments from the bullet that are in Connolly's wrist that are more fragments that are missing from the actual bullet they're attributing to the wound.
We can sit here and talk about it until the cows come home.
Oh, they got it when they went to visit him in the morgue?
Those things that you did with Russell Peters were so fascinating.
And also, like, says who?
Says who his fingerprint was on it?
You could just say that back then.
The government says, we found a fingerprint.
Oswald doesn't have a lawyer.
No one's representing him.
You know, no one's going to say, my client is innocent.
And everybody just mourned the fact that the president was dead.
you know, all of a sudden you got Lyndon Johnson full steam ahead with Vietnam War.
The whole thing was so fascinating.
Kennedy was trying to be a real president.
And they were like, none of that.
I watched the Netflix thing.
It was like all these big, like really important things.
He wanted to kill the CIA.
He wanted to do a lot of things.
And they were like, not today, sir.
I watched the first episode.
The real argument is we haven't really had a president since Kennedy.
Everything after that has been the president's more of a speaker.
The giant machine behind it continues to run exactly as it always has.
And the whole experience of watching the guy from Platoon, the guy that everybody knows as this gigantic, super cool movie star, hot shots, all these different things, to watch you just... Not just...
There's nothing you can do about it.
But look, if they haven't done anything about the Kennedy assassination, you can't do shit.
You could put pressure on people and you definitely can hurt their chances of getting reelected if people find out that they're very disappointed in you for not supporting this or not telling us about that or lying about this or you were involved in that.
But other than that, like –
There's not much you can do.
It definitely is a lot of that.
But it's also like a show.
You could watch the show.
Hey, have you watched the latest episode of The Epstein Files?
He said, this is like the greatest parlor game ever.
Boy, I remember watching that verdict on TV live in my apartment with this girl I was dating.
She was a really sweet girl, and she couldn't believe that he was innocent.
She didn't understand it.
Yeah, it didn't line up, did it?
She just kept putting her hands over her face.
Don't say that was a low-rent movie.
You know who turned me on to that movie?
Dave Foley, who's a good friend of mine from News Radio.
When we were on news radio together.
He fucking loved that movie because this is a so underrated sci-fi movie.
go off the rails with drugs but like be super open about it you like the first guy super open about it you know and everybody just embraced it instead of it being like oh charlie sheen's doing drugs that's so sad it was like we love him keep going it was kind of crazy all the tiger blood stuff and winning everybody was saying winning all the time and it what was that like for you was that like
That's just a crazy scene.
Imagine a guy reacting like that.
I don't remember at all.
But it's the latest O.J.
I avoided premieres, anything where there was a red carpet.
Because... It's just too weird.
No, I think he killed his wife.
And he killed Ron Goldman.
And he got away with it.
You watch him on, like, Naked Gun, and you're like, that guy?
That guy murdered his wife with a knife?
And then he got away with it, and he was just golfing?
You remember when he was a rapper?
He had, like, a king's robe on and, like, there's a bunch of hot ladies around him.
Yeah, he made a rap song.
Yeah, he was, like, embracing the heel role at one point in time after the guilty verdict or the not guilty verdict.
Right, right, right, yeah.
And so he got into, like, rap music.
Why don't you play it?
Play The Juice is Loose.
That was one of his scenes?
Remember the Spice Channel?
But that whole thing, going from that verdict to trying going back to work...
Was it the worst kind of reinforcement?
I remember one time we were filming news radio.
It was in the middle of that North Hollywood shootout.
And we were watching it live on TV while trying to do a sitcom.
And we were like, we probably should take some time off here.
There's a fucking war going on in the middle of North Hollywood.
I think that involved a lot of cocaine and steroids, too.
I know they were definitely on steroids.
But I think there was probably some... Or meth.
Or did it let you, like, were you surprised by it?
For people who don't know the story, these guys, did they rob a bank?
Is that what they did?
And they decided to get in a shootout with the cops.
I mean, and they got killed.
A bunch of cops got hit and the cops were like horribly outgunned.
The cops had their nine millimeter pistols and these guys have fucking machine guns and bulletproof vests.
I never even looked into that.
Is that one of the conspiracies?
He got shot and shot himself at the exact same time?
Like, what does that... Maybe they were already going to shoot him and he shot himself and they didn't think he was going to shoot himself and they pulled the trigger right when he did.
That's what I would guess, if that's the case.
I mean, one of the guys had already been shot and he was shot in the leg and they didn't get him any medical help.
They knew he was going to bleed out.
I think that was the case.
I think he got shot in his femoral artery.
That the thing with the... Yeah.
It's kind of like... Well, it sounds like there were a lot of bullets were flying in his direction.
Imagine being in that neighborhood.
I think that's where I moved my wife.
2,000 rounds are flying in both directions.
And if you're a real conspiracy theorist, then you say, oh, MKUltra tricked those guys into doing that so that the cops can get better guns.
Well, this is the problem with conspiracies.
People attribute them to everything.
Really get down the rabbit hole.
Everything's a conspiracy.
Even if I was in a movie, I wouldn't go on the red carpet.
Yeah, there's real ones.
But I think that's also part of the reason why, you know, some really silly conspiracy theories get pushed.
I think they get pushed by bots.
I think they get pushed by paid accounts.
To make them look stupid and attach a really stupid conspiracy to one that's legitimate.
And then it discredits the legitimate one.
Yeah, that's a very convenient way to bury truth.
The QAnon documentary on HBO was great.
Enter the Fire, that was it called?
Yeah, Enter... Enter something?
It's a multi-part thing on all the people that were involved in 4chan and the creation of QAnon.
Who they think the original guy was, and they think another guy took it over after a while and took over the account.
And it seems like they were just kind of fucking around at first.
He's got some really good evidence that points in that direction, but it's just hard to know.
And everyone always thought that it was someone inside the White House.
There was some secret person inside the White House.
It doesn't seem like this documentary believes that.
The guy who made this documentary, he pins it on one guy in particular.
That's a tech nerd that seems to have all of the attributes of someone who could pull off a QAnon-type deal.
Yeah, Jack's Every Box.
Super smart, internet shit poster, running 4chan.
That's the whole thing over there is get people to do stuff that's stupid.
They got women to free bleed.
They started pushing this idea that the patriarchy is making you wear a tampon and your menstrual cycle should just flow in your pants and who cares.
And this is like a sign of your strong femininity.
It was just them being crazy.
And then a bunch of women just adopted it.
They were like, this is stupid.
Probably last a couple of weeks.
But people are really susceptible.
You could get people to do that.
But it's just like the Haight-Ashbury free clinic thing.
Not everybody's going to join your call.
But if you open up a free clinic, you're going to get enough, you know, lost children that come in through your doors where they're going to need your legit services to start with.
I'd go into the back door.
You got to sort it out.
It's just nuts that that that's our government.
That's our daddies, our government daddies, the people that we're supposed to be looking to to help us lead a prosperous life and secure our standing in the world and make sure we grow financially.
And these motherfuckers did all that.
Well, they're bringing it back to stardom.
Like, that's a weird power to give somebody.
Especially when you're 21 years old.
Weird amount of freedom.
Weird amount of, like, people expecting you to be kind of wild.
And some people pull it off.
Some people, they're really disciplined and they pull off the work and then they pull off the partying.
There's also, unfortunately, a romantic notion of a guy getting out of rehab.
How many cop shows start with a guy who's down in his dumps putting a pizza in a blender for breakfast?
Like, really, like, at his lowest of low points.
Drinking, and then maybe his daughter cries, and he throws the bottles into the trash can.
And there's a romantic thing of getting your shit together.
Look at Robert Downey Jr.
To help him get his shit together.
If you keep letting them fuck up over and over again, they'll continue to fuck up.
You've been sober for how long?
That probably helped a lot to be away from everything for you to achieve that.
I don't like all that fucking, look over here, look over here.
You become kind of captured to the image.
Documentary is very entertaining.
It's very entertaining.
The way it's put together.
The stories are fucking bananas.
The whole thing was just so nuts.
But, you know, like I said, everybody loves the story of someone getting their shit together.
And that's a great accomplishment of being sober for almost eight years.
How do you deal with it?
So you just do it completely on your own?
You don't have any person you call or any... No.
You don't have a sponsor or something like that?
I know it does help some people.
You're just saying your truth.
I had a very good friend who was an alcoholic who quit one day.
He crashed his car, ran from the cops on foot, got arrested, and then he's like, what am I doing with my life?
Never had a drink again.
I knew him for 20 years after that.
You're pulled into a thing.
All you're doing is just counting the days.
Yeah, that's a part of the documentary, too, when the first intervention, when you got brought into a room and everybody's sitting there waiting for you.
You thought it was a party.
So that one didn't work.
It didn't work that way.
You had to do it on your own.
And now we're off to the races.
We're off to the races, yeah.
How did you get sober this time?
That is just too fake for me.
Yeah, you want to smoke a joint in front of someone, they might be like, hey.
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I think that's a good thing to tell people, too, because everybody wants to hear the drugs.
Like Bill Hicks had a great joke about nobody ever hears great drug stories.
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But the reason why people do it is because it's fun.
It can ruin your life, but it's also really fun.
That's why people do it.
It's important for people to know because you don't want them to think you're lying to them.
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You can get there because this guy is admitting what getting high was.
You know, like there's a scene in the documentary where you're talking about the first time you smoke crack or this girl's giving you a blowjob while you're smoking crack.
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That made me want to immediately go smoke crack.
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I don't think people think of him that way because of the laptop thing, but he's very intelligent.
So when he's explaining like the effects of crack and how different it is and how incredible it is and the euphoria of it.
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No, I never even did Coke.
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No, when I was in high school, I have a good buddy of mine, and his cousin was selling Coke.
And his cousin, who was super normal, I knew him forever, great guy...
super cool guy, all of a sudden he became weird and pale and lost all this weight and it was like he got bit by a vampire.
And him and his girlfriend were selling coke and they would just watch TV and do coke.
And they had like this attic apartment and it was like he had gotten bit by a vampire.
That's how it felt like to me.
It was like he just lost his whole life to coke.
And then I saw some other kids that had coke problems around me where they were just dying to get coke.
And I was like, this is a bad drug.
And back then, I think it was actually Coke.
In the 1980s, I don't know if they were cutting it with anything.
But I made a decision at one point in time in my life, no, I don't want to have nothing to do with that one.
That one seems to rob people's lives.
You just stuck to that.
Yeah, it just seemed to me like that one can make you a loser.
Yeah, I knew some people that did coke.
It never worked out well.
I didn't know anybody who did coke who kept their life together.
Everybody who did coke was barely together, barely hanging on, always off the rails.
One guy out there, some superhero.
Well, they might not be public about it.
That's some movie star shit right there.
You get a doctor with a fucking leather satchel to carry your Coke around?
Yeah, and he's just close.
I'd make him wear a thing.
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Everybody's got to know you're legit.
I never heard that rumor.
Dangerfield partied till the end.
He kept that traitor rolling.
You guys together with Kittison.
He looks funny just in his photo.
Probably at a Poison concert or something.
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Yeah, for one of his Tonight Show appearances.
We have his handwritten notes framed, all the stuff he's going to talk about.
It was like his jokes, and he had the punchlines for accented, bold letters.
Yeah, he wrote it all out darker.
Yeah, super organized.
Well, he stopped doing stand-up for a long time, and he was selling aluminum siding.
And then he made it again when he was much older in life.
He came back, and the thing that happened was from the time he stopped doing stand-up to when he went back to having a regular job, he never stopped writing jokes.
Like his brain just worked that way.
So he was just always writing jokes.
So he was sitting on a treasure trove.
And he just fucking stormed the gates when he came back.
Everybody's like, where's this guy been?
And then he became huge.
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Back to school and the Roddy Dangerfield HBO comedy specials.
He's one of the all-time greats.
And that that activated the films.
He didn't have any heat before.
But when he quit, you know, he was just like kind of like getting by doing all right and got a job quit.
I think he might have quit for 10 years.
And then the whole time he's writing and then he's like, fuck it.
And then got back into comedy.
I hope I'm not fucking that story up, but I think I'm accurate with that.
See if you can find it.
Make sure that's true.
I'm 90% sure that's true.
But I know that he didn't make it until he was in his 40s.
And I told this the other day, but I'll tell it again.
I used to work at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
I was a security guy there.
And I was backstage by the outside of the backstage.
And Ron Dangerfield would go on stage completely naked with a bathrobe on.
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That's what he would wear.
And he was wearing a bathrobe backstage with slippers and just walking around.
I was like, this guy's wild.
And they're like, he goes on stage like that.
I'm like, shut the fuck up.
Was it partially closed at least?
Or it was just wide open?
He wouldn't let everybody see his dick.
But if you went in the green room, you were seeing his dick.
Because he's sitting down.
He would just sit there.
His dick would be hanging out.
He struggled financially for nine years, one point forming as a singing waiter until he was fired before taking a job selling aluminum siding in the mid-50s to support his wife and family.
He later quipped, so in the 1960s, he started reviving his career.
So somewhere close to 10 years.
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He returned to the stage performing at hotels in the Catskills Mountains, but still finding minimal success.
He fell into debt, about $20,000 by his own estimate.
Dangerfield came to realize what he lacked was an image, a well-defined onstage persona that the audience could relate to, one that would distinguish him from other comics.
After being shunned by some premier comedy venues, he returned home where he began developing a character for whom nothing goes right.
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During Roy's comeback bid, who's Roy?
People were recognizing him.
Wanting to distinguish himself from longtime patrons who might have remembered him from the 1940s, Roy asked club owner George McFadden to change his name.
He came up with Roddy Dangerfield.
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He didn't like his old act.
He said, I don't know where it came from.
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That's when he popped again.
I knew a lot of people who knew him.
I didn't get a chance to meet him.
I saw him once at the Laugh Factor.
I said hi, but that was it.
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He was just leaving the stage.
He was outside, and he had some hot milf with him.
I was like, you go, Rodney.
I think it was probably his wife.
His wife is who donated us these handwritten notes and also the photograph of them, too.
It's just there's a few guys like that that, you know, without them, you always wonder, like, where would comedy be?
Like, where would it ever turn up?
Like so many people like Pryor and him and.
Lenny Bruce so many people just like changed everything Carlin Carlin yeah so many people just changed Kinison sure they just changed the whole thing but Dangerfield was one of the rare ones that introduced new comics to people like those that's where everybody found out about Kinison that's where everybody found out about Dice Clay Don Marrera right Lenny Clark all these guys Robert Schimmel they all started out on the Rodney Dangerfield HBO comedy specials wow yeah
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He would like have his favorite comedians.
He would just have like a show where he would like introduce his favorite comedians.
And he had his own club in New York City.
But he was, you know, he was interested in promoting comedy too.
You know, just a fucking amazing guy.
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What was it like being with your dad while he's filming Apocalypse Now?
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So that's a very strange experience for a 10 year old.
It is such a grand scale.
When it becomes what Apocalypse Now became.
Because it was like a culturally defining moment.
I mean, it's a movie that it kind of eclipses everything.
Oh, so you're using the cream?
But that must have like-
for you to eventually become an actor in Platoon, that had to be kind of surreal.
How does that happen 11 years later?
It's not just hard to measure.
It's one of the only films that gets mentioned in the same breath as Apocalypse Now when it comes to war films.
It gets on other people.
I read this story about this guy who is on TRT cream, and his child started showing signs of premature development.
Well, it took forever, right?
Let's just Google how many years it took to make Apocalypse Now.
I think it went way over budget.
And Lawrence Fishburne was like what?
How old was he at the time?
And it came out in 79?
So when did the project start?
So it's not as many years as I thought it was.
And they realized that this kid's testosterone level was through the roof, because it's through the dermis, right?
So he's getting it on his arms, and then he's hugging his child-
I don't remember where I first saw it.
I first saw it, I think, on a regular TV at home.
You know, because I was too little to watch it in 79.
Maybe I saw it when it came out on HBO or something like that for the first time.
When I really got into it was when I got a home theater and I got Surround Sound and I got Apocalypse Redo, Apocalypse Now Redo, the newly mastered one.
And the kid is getting juiced.
It's fucking sensational.
I was like, this movie is wild.
And it's just so epic.
Like, for you to have been there live while they were putting that together and then to see it all pieced together.
I mean, that had to be an insane experience.
But they said that it probably permanently affected the kid's development.
Did you ever get imposter syndrome like when you were doing Platoon?
Did you ever get like, how the fuck am I here?
Because it's so quick between you being 10, being in the jungle while they're filming Apocalypse Now, to you starring in Platoon.
Had you settled into that or were you ever like, how the fuck do I deserve this?
Because this kid is like experiencing puberty at three.
One of the things that John Cryer says in the documentary thing about you, he might be around to something.
He said that you probably feel like you don't deserve all this, so you fuck it all up.
You know, you're getting bombarded with testosterone while your dad is holding you.
Yeah, but you can't tell anybody that.
They have to kind of figure it out.
I guess then the only person would get it is the person you're having sex with.
Now you're like, oh, this show sucks.
The live performance thing is weird because they don't really do it anymore.
I mean, I don't think there's very many shows that still do that kind of a sitcom in front of a live audience with multiple cameras.
So he still does a traditional multi-camera live audience?
God, they used to be all over the television.
It's fun when it works, you know?
It's a missing genre in today's culture.
It used to be most of what was on late at night.
When you got done having dinner, you would sit down and watch Friends, or you would sit down and watch Seinfeld, or Two and a Half Men.
It's probably good for the horse.
Yeah, my family binge-watched Big Bang Theory.
I never watched it when it was on the air.
It's a good fucking show.
I was like, ah, it's a corny sitcom.
So there was testosterone and cocaine together at the same time.
Yeah, he's the first autistic star of an action show or of a sitcom.
Yeah, where you're kind of celebrating his emotional disconnection.
Yeah, it's a really well-written show.
That guy, Chuck Lorre, how many fucking hits?
That guy's had a ton of hits.
Maybe more than anybody.
That sounds like a combination of hubris.
Why going back to work would send you off the rails?
So that if you went and just did it just for the money, you would find some ways to stimulate yourself.
I said that about a lot of guys that got caught on shows that sucked.
I knew a lot of guys who got caught on shows where they were getting paid, but they did not like the show.
And it was like a bad sitcom.
And those guys all went crazy.
Those guys all started doing a lot of drugs or they started spending too much money or something.
They did something to distract themselves because they did not like what they were doing.
And they didn't feel satisfied.
But they were getting so much money.
They're like, what am I going to do?
I'm getting $100,000 a week.
And you said no to season eight and nine.
I'd be like, do I have to wear a dress?
And then you did that other thing where you had that other show after that that you got paid like a ton of money in advance for, right?
So did you guys – you did the 10 episodes and then you got to do all of them?
So you wound up doing 100?
But you did them in a short period of time, right?
You didn't like the final product.
Yeah, like it lasted from one shower to the next.
And there's also a bunch of people that were rooting for you because they saw what happened with Two and a Half Men.
It was a big public disaster.
Oh, no, look, he's got another show.
Well, the narrative on you was, as an outsider, was that you were one of the rare guys who could party like that but still pull it off and have a career.
And I think your ex-wife said that, that she never worried about you.
You would always land on your feet.
Because you were very talented.
And you were also very loved.
Which is one of the reasons why people embraced you when you were talking about how much crack you were doing.
When you were saying all that, they weren't mad at you.
They were like, he's fucking partying.
It was a very odd time.
Where so many people who don't admit that they party because of their job or because of whatever.
They try to keep it hidden under wraps.
And you were doing a live interview with this lady.
And you're talking to her about smoking rocks.
And she was flabbergasted, like you could tell.
She did not expect that kind of candor.
With discussion of illicit drugs.
Nobody ever done that before.
Right, but nobody ever embraced it the way you did it.
Everybody else is like, well, you know, it was a terrible time in my life.
I got so low, I was doing crack cocaine.
And you didn't have any shame.
So you're ramped up now.
They were joking around about it.
Well, no one had ever done an interview like that before.
Have you ever thought of what your life would be like if you didn't do that interview?
I wonder if you ever would have gotten sober.
Yeah, today's sober-sober.
You might have had to have that complete chaos, tailspin, free-fall crash publicly to just eventually gather your shit together and go, okay.
Time to learn and grow.
Obviously, that wasn't smart.
Let's do it differently.
Let's get it together and step by step, day by day.
And look, here you are almost nine years later.
That's – you always wonder.
Like maybe you have to have –
That was your rock bottom moment and it was public.
The whole world got to see it.
Just a purging of all of it.
And still you have to battle with this reinforcement because now everybody is loving the fact that you're winning and that you're talking about –
how much crack you smoke and how crazy it is and you got all these hot girls and everybody's like he's winning he's winning and so now there's no incentive at all to get healthy right
And not only that, financially, it kind of helps you to be a little off the rails.
And so you're kind of known for that.
And then you have this big tour, and everybody's coming out to see you.
Which was crazy for you to do.
I think it's bad for you.
The first one where you did it without comedians was just bananas.
But you guys pulled it together, and that was kind of the story of your career when things have fallen apart.
People want you to pull it together.
So even though you had that disaster show, and everybody knew it was a disaster show, people were still coming out to see the other ones.
It was also, that's the impact of public humiliation.
Time to get this, get this thing back on track.
People realized also you were figuring this tour thing out on the fly.
That's what it was, man.
So I know you had Jeff Ross was on some of them.
I had Jeff Ross, yeah.
Master at off the cuff.
He showed up and really just put- Perfect guy for that.
And then you had Russell on some of them too, right?
Who's also a master at off the cuff.
Yeah, Russell's awesome.
I think it's like radiation.
Also, pretty good shot.
Guy throws a loonie from the balcony and he hits it in the head.
Because that's not an aerodynamic thing.
There's a lot of flipping in the air.
Yeah, which is important too.
Hey, can I hit the bathroom really quickly?
We can actually wrap it up.
Let's take a leak and we'll come back.
Should we bring this up?
So this just happened.
We just found out that Charlie Kirk got shot.
They even have a suspect.
So, were you saying that MSNBC had a crazy take on it?
It was a tweet or a video?
So it's someone's hot take.
Yeah, that's a crazy take.
Crazy take is – what was the take that they deserved it?
Like you could take a little bit of it, but you don't want to be working the x-ray machine your whole life.
Shooting like this happens.
You can put the headphones on.
Someone shot their gun off in celebration and killed him.
Like it might not have been someone assassinating someone for the wrong opinion.
It's like, I mean, they want to try to pin it on a Trump supporter with a crazy Trump supporter with a gun going wacky.
We don't know if it was a supporter shooting off a gun in celebration because, you know, they do.
A lot of folks are just constantly out there shooting off guns at large gatherings in celebration.
There's going to be a lot of people celebrating this.
It's so dangerous to celebrate or to in any way encourage this kind of behavior from human beings.
He's not a violent guy.
He's talking to people on college campuses.
He wasn't even particularly rude.
He tried to be pretty reasonable with people.
Everything I saw seemed reasonable.
He's a very intelligent guy.
You know, whether you agree with him or don't.
And there's a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with him on.
You're allowed to disagree with people without celebrating the fact they got shot.
Well, what you're supposed to do with a guy like that, if you're opposing him, is debate him.
Have a conversation where your argument is more compelling than his.
That's what people should be celebrating, discourse.
This podcast has been a lot about violence, man.
I mean, he's one of those young influencers.
This time from the right, who is all over social media, always doing these various shows and debating people and talk to people and giving speeches.
No one deserves this, folks.
No one that has different opinions.
Testosterone and cocaine.
But I know people are going to celebrate it because this is a fucked up time and people have really fallen into this trap of us against them.
Having all kinds of conversations with people in your head that will tell you exactly what you're doing is correct.
Did you ever talk to Chuck?
Well, when we were talking about assassinations earlier, whether it's Kennedy or RFK, you think of them in the past.
You think of them like...
When something happens in the current, like right now with this one with Charlie Kirk, it doesn't seem real.
It seems very surreal.
It seems like it's going to take a long time before we reference this as something that happened.
Like, oh, remember he got shot and killed?
Like right now, it just doesn't seem real.
It seems so crazy that just it's not registering.
I met him once at a gun range of all places.
He was a nice guy when I met him.
It's a fucked up time.
People are so divided in this country.
And there's so many people that love it.
They love that we're divided and they profit off that division.
And they stoke the fires.
And they do it for their own profit.
And it's so fucking gross.
And to encourage this kind of thing is really one of the most...
horrific things that you could do after someone dies horribly like this is celebrate.
I think that's just like default with those.
They gaslight you by default.
So immediately they try to find some reason why whatever the thing is that's in the news is someone else's fault.
It's just all gaslighting.
And that's what they're paid to do.
They're paid propagandists masquerading as the news.
Well, two things is going to happen.
Either people are going to realize how fucking insane this is and we have to have a conversation about being able to have conversations.
Denise and Aaron.
Denise and Aaron.
Denise and Aaron.