Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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It was, it was very difficult and it was so difficult that I couldn't do it and she wouldn't listen to me. You know, you can lead a horse, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. So she has to want to get the help herself. And they can't drink alcohol. They listen. And so I even went as far as we were on marriage bootcamp, but it was family edition.
I think it, we TV, I forgot what it was.
yeah so her and i it's all about um a mother and son or a mother and and whatever family member it was you're trying to mend the relationship and whatever issues you have so i took her on there and boy she cut a fool she cut a fool oh she didn't want to she cut a fool obviously had alcohol out they had all this stuff and It was her and I, you know, two weeks straight.
We went through different activities. They had two therapists, two doctors there. And there it is right there. And man. She's beautiful. What's her name? Paula. Paula Johnson. We call her Hurricane Paula. Woo. Category. Category 85, huh? When she gets upset. It's a hurricane. It's a hurricane. And listen, she showed out in that show, man. That's my baby. She showed out. But she just wouldn't.
She left the show early. She didn't even finish the show. She left early. Cussed the producers out. Cussed the rest of the castmates out.
Nah. She didn't want to get the help I wanted, man. But that's my baby. There was a funeral scene we did. There was a funeral scene we did. Uh-huh. Where she was like, close the casket. So it was me in a casket. And how would she feel if I was to pass away? Oh. Oh, man. She showed out. Oh, she showed out. Close the casket. Let his baby mama's roll him in. Oh, it was hilarious.
Oh, she made it funny? Oh, man. No, she was dead serious, though. Oh. Oh, she was pissed. She was pissed. So that was the introduction. Let his baby mama's roll him in. Yeah, let him close that bitch and let his baby mama's roll his ass up out of here. Ha, ha, ha.
yeah yeah and so people were that wow that's hilarious yeah the world was introduced to hurricane an emotional response do you want that that look alone she didn't take any bullshit huh no she didn't play doesn't work but did you get that i meant that i said listen i haven't been a part of his life and he hasn't been a part of mine
Do y'all do a... Is there like a... I can smoke because you put that right there.
She's a legend.
She's a legend, especially in our area. We have a thing. You're not really a friend of mine if you haven't been cursed out by my mom. That means you ain't been around long enough. And that's how she was. And we loved her just like that. And I never got a chance to say goodbye. Oh. I never got a chance to say I love you. But I had the messages saved before she passed away.
And it's her cursing me out. Yeah. I mean, letting me have it. Letting it rip. Like... Paragraph, paragraph. Oh, yeah. And I wouldn't want it any other way.
I wouldn't want it any other way.
That's who she was.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah. And the funny thing about it is, is I had to stop the bleeding as well, because an individual like that, they will use, oh, I'm your mama as a reason for you to keep giving, giving, giving, giving. And a taker doesn't know when to stop. It doesn't know when to stop. And there was no appreciation behind it because no matter how much I did, it was always an issue.
So even at that point with mom, I even had to deal with her from arm's length at a distance, you know? And it was cool. My grandma raised me, so her and I weren't really eye to eye most of the time. But, man, when the times were good, oh, man, they were good. But when it was bad, I know, huh?
No, it's not enough smoke. Did you do F1 last weekend? Yeah, I had to go shake some hands, smiles, get a few deals done. I'm not much of a F1 guy. NASCAR, now we talking. NASCAR is where it's at. Especially for first dates.
Yeah, absolutely. She was proud of all the things I was able to accomplish, you know, obviously during during my days in NFL, all the stuff I did off the field. But she was so unpredictable. I couldn't take her to important stuff.
Because, you know, red carpet, stuff like that. I couldn't have her in those rooms because I don't know what Paula was going to show up. I didn't know which mom was going to show up. And I didn't want her to embarrass me in those moments that we're supposed to be celebrating. Whatever achieving it may be. But listen, if the wrong person is there and she sees, she might snap.
It doesn't care about the surroundings or the environment. So I had to be cautious.
Man, quick, and don't care. And don't care.
Yeah. I think because of my upbringing and me being able to operate well in a chaotic environment, and I'm very comfortable being uncomfortable. Very. It doesn't matter what's going on. I love chaos, and I operate well in chaos. Very well. It doesn't matter what it is.
Yes. Think about during my time playing.
I was very chaotic. I purposely tried to piss the NFL off. Purposely. Because I understood the game is an entertainment sport. So therefore, I'm going to bring just that, the entertainment value part to it. They didn't see it that way. But all of a sudden, everything I was vilified for now is a green light. Everybody's celebrating. Everybody's having fun. And I understood what I was doing.
And look where you're at now.
Still going.
A woman that's never been to NASCAR and you sit in the stands? Oh, awesome.
That has something.
That's dope. God.
Was he as entertaining? Absolutely. And I got to think, we were friends before that. I remember I stood on the table for T, and I knew we had an opportunity to get him. So I talked to Marvin Lewis. I talked to Mike Brown. I said, we got to get T in here. We got to get T in here. As much as I've accomplished here as a Cincinnati Bengal, can we please get one of the greatest players to ever play?
Top three, all time, no matter what. I have no problem taking a backseat and being his Robin.
Oh, absolutely. With nothing but respect. So I couldn't wait. And T and having T in that locker room and watching him practice and having a great understanding on his approach to the game of football. Man, that was a treat. And I think it's a treat.
I've never had a chance to actually sit there and tell him how much I admired him in general as not only a player, but his approach to the game of football and And I got a better understanding on why he's one of the greatest. Really? Yeah, man. It was a joy.
Greyhound? Yeah. They had a Greyhound track still?
Yeah, he does.
I'm the complete opposite. You know, T.O. was very massages, hyperbaric chamber, ice tub, cold tub, eat right, salad, all this stuff I didn't do. And I'm McDonald's, cigars, complete opposite. Dang. Totally different sides of the spectrum. So it's just being around a man, it was such a joy. And I was a sponge. And he doesn't even know it.
I took as much as I could from him in that moment, you know, in that year I had with him. And still to this day, very good friend of mine, man. Very good friend.
We got the Greyhound track here too. Horse track. I love that, man.
No. I travel too much for pets. And I can't deal with death. I don't handle death well.
Yeah. Yeah, I was at SMC too. I went to SMC, man.
That was it. I took the bus. Yeah. Bus down Pico. I'll never forget. At that time, I had a young lady I was dating. She lived in the jungles across from Dorsey High School, right off Coliseum in the third building. I'll never forget. And I would take the bus. I would take the bus to the school.
That's funny. I saw some time when they do it at NBA games, and the baby's crawling.
It was the best that they could have. It was good, especially back then. Obviously, Steve Smith Sr. was on the team with me, and I needed that. I needed to get out of the environment out here in Miami.
Oh, he was? Yeah.
Yeah, I watched him in high school when he was at New Orleans. Yeah, I've been watching A.B. for years.
I'm not sure.
Serious?
Wait, that's his dad for real? I didn't know that.
Nah, I think he knows what he's doing. And he played into the CTE thing real well. And, you know, his CTE, his CTE ESPN. Hilarious, dude. It's hilarious. It's hilarious.
He's in a space right now where he knows what he's doing, and he knows how to get that traction.
I mean, look at this shit, bro. Hey, listen, he's on a historic run right now. He's on a historic run in his own lane doing what he does. I love him to death. I love him to death. You know, obviously a friend of mine before football. Oh, really? Yeah, before football. Yeah, this goes way back. And that's someone I will always support, whether it's up close, whether it's from afar.
You know, his decisions that he makes, you know, that's him. He's a grown man. But there's one thing about him, I'm going to always love him.
For real? Yeah.
Yeah. Very interesting. Very unpredictable. Unpredictable. That's what makes this so awesome. Because you don't know what the fuck. Excuse me. You don't know. You can curse? You can curse.
Look, look, look. This is dope.
Everything AB does right now is strategic. It's strategic. It's planned out. And he's two steps ahead of everybody else.
Yeah. I mean, a portal. Yeah, I had the opportunity to work with Bill this past season on NFL Films. So Bill was there with me and Ryan Clark and Chris Long. And did you get to meet his girlfriend then? No, I didn't meet her. I think I might have saw her once.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Bill is Bill. Bill's going to be able to do what he wants to do. His resume speaks for itself. And I'm excited for Bill, obviously, and what he's going to do turning that UNC program around and getting another opportunity to coach the NFL. Now, what he decides to do with his personal life, that's one thing I stay away from. You know, I always stay away from stuff like that.
So... Okay.
That is funny.
Yeah. Listen, love who loves you. Love who loves you. That's all I can say.
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, you got to be cautious. You got to be weary and always understand that
know sometimes most of those that you'll deal with most of those who will deal with you it's because of what you can do and not who you are how do you try and figure that out like uh you can't you don't think you can't figure it out because because you thought you have you always have to lead lean into it with that same thought process like what are you saying
You have to understand, especially when you have money and you have things going on for yourself, would you be able to get the same girl that's with you now if you didn't have it? Nine times out of ten, absolutely not. Not. That's reality. I don't know. That goes for any and everybody. That's just life. That's just the way it is.
If you lost the ability to provide, the woman you're with right now, would she still be there?
Period. Or do the things or give her the lifestyle that you've been able to. What was she doing before you came along?
And look what you've done with that certain individual that you're with. And depending on how much money you have, your leash is very long. And when things hit the roof, most of the time when she leaves you, she has to take that money with her to continue that lifestyle.
uh divided up yeah do you have you have a lot you have a decent amount of children yeah a lot 85 you have 85 is that your goal yeah yeah well you gotta get but then also the people i've had kids with we were all on one accord what does that mean i only dated women that were athletic I'm not having kids just to have kids.
Yeah, there was strategy behind mine. I don't care about you being a bad bitch. I don't care about you being on IG with your ass out. And no BBLs, all of that? I mean, that's fine. Whatever you need to do to feel better about yourself, I'm fine with that. But I needed and only dated women that were athletic. Wow. So my kids had a head start on that foundation of athletic ability. That's it.
Stop reaching across the line.
So I look at women, I look at ankles. Wow.
Yeah, my daughter runs track at University of Kentucky now.
In Lexington? Yeah.
Yeah. And I don't have, I never have really have this. There she is. Yeah. This is when she was young. And she's good, huh? Oh yeah. She can go. She can go. She can't beat me, but she can go. Do you think she'll be able to beat you at some point? Absolutely not. Because before my, any of my, listen, before my kids beat me in anything, I would trip her. I'm just being honest.
Damn, he turning around. Wrong way, buddy.
I would trip her before she beat me. Not happening.
You see those track ladies? All of them. Did you cheer? Yeah. Did you play volleyball? Did you run track? Volleyball, yeah. I mean, I just need to see.
I know. I can tell. Because when I go on dates, I like to go places where you have to show me athletic ability. Go to Dave and Buster's. Can you shoot? Now, if you don't have no form and can't shoot, I can't do nothing with you. Go bowling. Go roller skating. Oh, that's a good one. So I hold my own roller skating.
That's what that is, dude. What do you call the combine? I hold my own combine. Oh, yeah. They think we're going on dates. Little do you know, I'm taking notes. Okay, you can bowl. Okay, you don't really have any coordination skating, but I can work on that.
Go to the gym. A gym date?
yeah yeah first date Dave and Buster's you know check out coordination let me see how your lateral movement is that's that's hey Theo you laughing that shit is important no it looks sometimes listen you some of these guys no that's a good point yeah they date women oh she's so fine she's on IG live she fine as hell blah blah blah you have a child your child got two left feet and you wonder why your child get picked last in P.E.
Yeah. Oh, they come home sad. Nobody pick me. Yeah. Nah, fuck that.
Oh, they're going the wrong way.
You know how hard that is to do? Very tough. The coordination to be able to run forward and kick in rhythm.
Absolutely.
No, I think at times... Like, is that a stereotype?
Well, there are a lot of white guys, too. They have a lot of kids as well.
But I think we just get caught up in the moment most of the time. And I think our counterparts, on the other hand... They have a little bit more discipline in that area. But I think they're not as bad as us. What do you mean our counterparts? I mean white guys. Okay, so white guys versus black guys.
It happens a lot because we get caught up in the moment. Okay. We get caught up in the moment. Now, I'm one who's one of those. And y'all like to spike the ball. Yeah. But for me, everything I've done was strategic and not done on purpose. There was a method to my madness. There's a method. Nobody's I'm not having kids. Nobody's running to child support and old chat. No, no.
There it is.
And you have a child, and the first thing you wonder why things don't work out. Yeah. Not things most times don't work out.
Yeah, most definitely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely.
Nah. Nah. I don't. I don't.
Well, I gave you mine. Right. And I've always lived by that no matter who it was. I don't care how fine you are. I'm not here to raise models. I want athletes. So therefore, I'm going to procreate with those who give me just that. You might start a little dynasty. Listen, you'll have fun and go on dates and for those who are not that. But when it comes to having kids, oh, oh, honey, uh-uh.
That's funny.
And they're afraid to say it. They probably don't want to make people uncomfortable. And the media will make it a big deal. Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. And I wouldn't have a problem with it, you know, because I'd be the one making jokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, listen, I'd be the one making jokes. I don't care what you are, gay, trans, ABC. I don't care. I'm accepting of all.
And I would have time.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Everybody's very sensitive. Yeah.
Yeah, most definitely.
I don't know why people are, they call it homophobic, you know, I think. And I think that's one of the reasons a lot of players don't want to come out, you know, or people in general that might swing the other way. I mean, shoot, fuck it. It's who you live in your truth.
I mean, the game has changed. The game has evolved a lot. Obviously, from a receiver standpoint, they throw the ball much more. Much more. The era I played in, it was more about running the ball to open up the pass. So they definitely, I mean, it's a different average. They have an added game, too. So it was much more difficult.
Yeah, yeah. Everybody was feminine. Nah. Yeah, they was hot or whatever.
They got gay dudes to beat your ass. God. Literally. Literally, listen, I've always been fond of that community. They've always showed love to me, and I've always showed love back.
It's funny, especially where we are in the world right now, that some people, based on occupation and based on what you do, you really can't come out because it can jeopardize what you have going on.
No, probably not.
No, no, not that many.
I have no idea. That's a good one. I have no idea because I don't know everybody's preference.
You can't look at somebody's tail.
Hey, that's a good one. I mean, to be able to statistically rate how many people would be, you would never know.
You think so? Yeah, because you know how many people would support them?
They always want the underdog. Would they really be the underdog?
And the game is a little bit more lenient in favor of the offensive side because defensive defenders really can't do anything. You can't hit. They throw flags for everything. You get fined for everything. I think, you know, my era and the era before me, football in general back then was the true definition of football. I mean, it's a gladiator sport.
Oh, they have a national gay football league.
God, look at that. I didn't know they had that.
I remember lingerie football used to be huge. They hit each other. They go crazy. I've seen some of the clips on Twitter.
Yeah. I like the outfits.
I like the outfits.
Oh, yeah.
And they talk a lot of trash.
I want to do. They don't have this anymore, huh?
Nah. Nah. Mm-mm. No, I will stick to the things I know, and that is cigars. Yeah. Cigars and kids. Those are my investments. Okay.
I have no idea. You would have to go by position. Is there one gay player at each position that is one of the best in the game at their position? But even then, I'm not sure. The Jets obviously looked bad last year. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling how they're going to be this year now that they have a quarterback in Justin Fields. So we'll see what happens. That's a good question.
I like that hypothetical.
It all depends on the quarterback and the offense you go to and how much they're going to use you. It's all about how good you are. Obviously, if you're going to another team, most of the time, you're not who you thought you were. Most of the time.
Unless you're on the back end of your career. Normally, once a player hits year 10, they move on from regards to who you are, no matter how good you are. You know, Jerry Rice, T.O., Randy Moss. At some point, teams even moved on from them. And we talk about some of the greats. You know, greats ever.
But when it happens early, you know, you're in year three or year four, it's time to look in the mirror and say, how can I make myself more valuable if they were willing to move on from me?
Honestly, the truth, I forgot what era it was when they sued the NFL for all the injuries, all the trauma that players have suffered in the past. Yeah. And they won the lawsuit. It might have been a billion or something like that. And they had no choice but to. Oh, yeah.
and what are ways you think that players can do that like what can you do to make yourself got to work on your craft you got to got to work on your craft how their players coming in year in year out always but how can i continue to main make sure my value stays at a high level yeah worth to where no matter who's coming out you won't be able to get this kind of production from anyone else
And that's the fight every year. You got somebody coming behind you.
Yeah. In other ways.
In other ways outside of production.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Veteran leadership, you know, around a bunch of young guys, someone that conducts themselves the right way in the locker room, a good locker room presence can carry you on an extra two or three years in the NFL. So that's not a myth. Oh, no, absolutely. Coaches like that. Coaches like that. A good guy, clean guy, one that you know not going to have any problems.
He's going to show the young dudes on how to work, how to work on your craft and approach and study, study film and stuff like that. That's very valuable outside of production.
I mean, when I look back at my career, I would have done everything I did, plus more. Because I had some great ideas that I didn't get a chance to do. You know? Like, what do you mean by that? I mean, just the fun. The fun. I would have pushed the envelope even more.
Having a good time. Because, listen, the NFL is not for long. And I had a short window to maximize as much as I could out of myself and out of the NFL. And I did just that, which is one of the reasons why I'm still going to this day, pushing forward.
Yeah, they won. Damn. Those players won. And that's why the rules are what they are today. I know they always preach about player safety, but that's I mean, player safety is cool. It's understandable. But players have gotten faster, stronger, bigger. The dimensions of the field haven't changed at all. So therefore, injuries are still going to happen. Concussions are still going to happen.
Yeah, most definitely.
No, no, no, no, no. Just my approach to the game in general. Just on-field stuff. So why?
No, I was the same always. I was always authentic with myself. What you see right now off camera or on camera, it's the same way I was on field. Yeah. That wasn't a character. That was really me. And I just chose not to conform and not to behave the way they said I should.
The way I played in the NFL, the same way I played when I was in high school. It was the same way I played when I was in Pop Warner. Just because you paid me millions of dollars... I'm not changing who I am just for that. Absolutely not. Did you ever have teams try to, like, tell you to pipe? No, they loved it. Never? They loved it. The referees loved it. Opposing teams, coaches loved it.
Opposing teams, players loved it. Everything I did.
Not only entertainment, but what I brought to the game and those I'm playing against, it was nothing but a competitive nature. Nothing I did was malicious.
But you knew one thing. If we're playing Ocho or we're playing the Bengals in general, I got to come to play. Yeah. Because I'm going to challenge you during the week through the media. Yeah. I sent gifts to the defenses we were playing, to the secondaries, just to make it fun.
No, no, like Pepto-Bismol to the Browns. Oh, because you're about to deal with this shit, huh? Yeah, I'm going to make you sick to your stomach. I've sent gifts to the Falcons before. Who else? The Steelers, I sent them some. Just fun, man, just fun stuff. And they would always get the packages Saturday morning. Look, I remember.
I was going to make them sick, or they were going to get sick of covering me, so here's some Pepto ahead of time. All fun.
It messes them up because if you go out there and you're trying to kill me, that lets me know you're out of control. You're out of control. So I do stuff like that. I like to play mental gymnastics.
If I can get you out of your game, if I can get you talking to me in the middle of a game, I got a little edge on you. A little edge on you. I did that small edge.
There's no way to prevent that. Yeah, it's impossible.
That's so true. The funny thing about it is, is being out of control and trying to hurt the individual that you're playing against, which is what happened to me every game. I had no problem because I enjoyed playing very calm under chaos. So you're going to be chaotic, somebody nice and relaxed and calm. And you being angry, that split second of anger, you're going to miss. You're going to whiff.
You know, the game of football is a game of inches. Yeah. And once I know I'm in your head, I'm going to always have that half inch over you. Every time.
Brian Russell.
Brian Russell. Cleveland Browns. Garbage time. Carson threw a slant over the middle. Game is over. There was no reason I was supposed to be in the game. And I was knocked out. Watch this. Up top.
It is part of it. You know what you signed up for. You know what you signed up for when you make it as a 1% in the NFL. It's a gladiator sport. It's barbaric.
Oh, God. And that is the one hit I took and was concussed.
No, he did nothing. It was good. I enjoyed it. You see the scoreline, huh? 34-10. Why am I even in the game? And it's what, a minute going o'clock?
You know, I don't know why we were in the game at that point. I'm not sure. That game was over. Obviously, the Battle of Ohio, one of the biggest games for us.
You don't know if people are sitting there thinking like... Whoever the quarterback is didn't matter. You don't think so? No. Because I'm coming in and my skill set was at a point in how I felt was I'm going to make your job easy. Mm-hmm. Bob Rakowski was the golf coordinator. When we played, I'm making your job easy.
If you know you need to play and you need a catch or you need a whatever it may be, you know whose number to call. Oh, yeah. That's my mindset. Like, I don't need you to be great throwing the ball. Just put it in the area. Just anywhere in the area. I'll take it at a rest.
Yeah, that happens all the time. Now, that happens all the time.
Trade for me, yeah, absolutely. Trade for me, trade for me.
The leaf. Tobacco.
Yeah. In DR. Now we do mass production.
Yeah. Now we distribute from Nicaragua now.
Mm-hmm. Good life, baby.
Make or break what? He ain't going nowhere.
He ain't going nowhere.
Crazy offense. I agree.
I'm glad you said that. Now, what we do need to do is we need to start fast. We need to start early, you know, in the beginning of the season. You know, losing to the Patriots the way we did in the beginning of the season, it hurt us on the back end. We need to start fast. We don't have to round other teams to lose or win. Of course, they have an opportunity to get into the playoffs.
Nobody wants to see us offensively if we make it into the playoffs. Ravens, very good. Bills, very good. Chiefs, very good. And that will always be the three or four teams that are in the hunt every season.
Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. There's always a surprise team every year.
A little bit, but some of them have made a name for themselves that are really good. Really, really good. The Jalen Ramseys and McDuffie and, let me see, I'm going to run some of these DBs off. Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley. Some dudes are really good, regardless of the game changing the way it has. Pat Sertain, Lazarius Sneed, really good. Jalen Johnson, good.
And then it went bad.
So I have no idea. And it's hard to tell. You know, you have some special players that have gotten drafted. So we're going to see how they can impact the game early and impact that team in general. Oh, yeah. So I'm curious. I'm excited to see, you know, what Travis Hunter does in Jacksonville. I'm excited to see what Abdul Carter does. Jackson Dart. who is over in New York now.
He's with the Giants, right? Yeah, he'll probably sit down and Russell will be at the helm.
Yeah, yeah. But listen, they got Malik neighbors, so they're going to be all right.
Well, it's hard to find a quarterback that's good. But it's crazy. There's a ton of, it's like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a ton of quarterbacks. You have tier ones. You know, your tier one quarterbacks are hard to come by.
They're not that good.
They're not that good. There's a reason why. You know, your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson, your Josh Allens. Oh, yeah. Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence should be in that conversation. CJ Stroud, maybe. CJ Stroud.
Yeah. Those are tier one quarterbacks or should be based on their talent. But. I don't know.
Nah, it doesn't work that way. You put anybody in there, you'll be home. You put anybody in there, that's how coaches get fired. Oh, yeah. You're getting fired. Do you ever think of coaching and getting into it? Absolutely not. No? No. They don't pay enough. And I make more now doing what I'm doing. I make more now than when I was playing. Damn. So I'm good.
Yeah, they do. They're doing really well.
Pat McAfee did well with his as well. Oh, dude, yeah.
Absolutely.
I run a tight ship. Everybody here, I run a tight ship. Those I have kids from, we have the same end goal. We got the same end goal. And those I have kids from, awesome mothers. Awesome mothers. No issues, no nothing.
You know, you'll never know. You know that? What a good mother is.
It's impossible.
I mean, being a good lady doesn't mean you'll be a good mother. You know? And I only date women that already have kids.
It's just weird. It's just weird. What's the defense she's running? You got to have two or more kids. Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, you got to. Because, I mean, for me, dating a woman with no kids, they never have fucking food at home.
Young dude, Christian Gonzalez with the Patriots. Mm-hmm. Man. Hey, he's an animal.
They always want to go out to eat.
You know what it's like? Now, Theo, I don't know if you experienced this, but you know what it's like to have sex with someone that has kids and wake up at 3, 3.30 in the morning and get a fucking Capri Sun?
That's fucking amazing.
Yes. See, that's what I'm talking about.
That's important to me. God, I love that. Having snacks in the pantry.
Bingo. Yeah. That's interesting. Those are my rules. Everyone, some people, oh, she has kids. I don't care.
He's an animal. And there's another young fella.
Hey, let's run Call of Duty real quick. Yeah, Randall, get up. Let's go do it. Let's run duos.
I love it. Especially if she has older kids. Yeah. Oh, that's perfect. Oh, that's perfect. Dang, that's a great point. Yeah. I mean, that's just me. Everyone else's thought process and approach to dealing with women isn't like mine. Yeah. That's fine.
Yeah, there's another young fella in, damn it. Horn from the Panthers is really good as well. Joe Horn's son? Yeah, Joe Horn. He is nice. Really? So despite the rules being what they are, they've gotten so good technically, you know, trying to adapt to the rules. Yeah. Some of them stand out.
No, it was just me. My brother was raised with my mom.
That's how I ended up in L.A. My mom was in L.A. at the time. And so my grandma... after I graduated high school I went to Langston University Langston yeah NAIA school in in Oklahoma and I got thrown out for fighting so I went back to Miami after getting expelled and my grandma was like listen I've done all I can with you I washed my hands and that's how damn you was in a bad spot
Yeah, that's how I ended up in L.A. at Santa Monica. Why, was your attitude bad? No, I just like to fight. You like to fight? Unfortunately. Fist fighting? Yeah, I like fist fighting. Like, I'm going to beat James Harrison ass. You fighting him? Yeah. James Harrison from Pittsburgh Steelers? Yeah, I'm going to fuck him up.
God, I'm glad he's okay. Yeah, he's alive and well. Bring up a picture of him.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah, that's Devo. That's Devo.
Yeah. God dang, they fucking. Yeah, he's huge. He's a junkyard dog. He looks intimidating, doesn't he?
Yeah, I don't give a fuck. You really going to fight him? Fuck him up.
Yeah, very good friend of mine. But, you know, sometimes you got to come to the field. Hey, look. Sometimes you got to establish dominance as a little man.
I just don't like his face. It's punchable.
No, MMA style. Oh, y'all doing MMA? Yeah, he can kick. He can do whatever he wants.
Yeah, I think they did. I wasn't here. I was out of town working.
Yeah, I like it. I'm a boxing fan more. I can't believe we haven't seen each other. I like boxing better. And who's this, James Harrison? No, that's my crazy ass in there boxing. Oh, that's you? Yeah. Oh, so you really like it, huh? Yeah. I remember this was fun.
Brian Maxwell. He does, Brian Maxwell does bare knuckle boxing. He's a good friend of mine.
conditioning conditioning you got to be well conditioned and for this i only had two weeks to get ready and since then i think that was in 2021 if i'm not mistaken and i've been training since just having fun could you fight a guy like you couldn't fight jake paul though I think the weight class, he's so much bigger. Oh, he's heavy. Yeah, he's heavy. He's a heavy guy.
I'm only, but maybe now, and put on a little size, I'm about maybe 190.
I just want to fight Deebo. I just want to fight James.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. Who could I see? Then we're going to be friends after.
The whole time.
For me, it was competing in practice.
I miss it. I miss competing in practice. That's what's difficult. The games on Sunday, that's fun. That's the easy part. Practice and competing. Preparation. I miss that. I miss watching film. I really do. I miss watching film, especially on defenses and defensive backs and knowing what they were going to do before it even happened. I knew it was coming.
No, you can't. You can't. And the first thing that comes to mind is The safety or maybe linebacker from the Texans who got suspended. I think he got suspended maybe once or twice because he plays like he's back in the old days. Oh, yeah. Who is it? Al Jazeera, Jazeera, something like that.
Whether it be down in distance, first down, second down, third down, all that shifting in motion that they like to do, playing around in the secondary. I know what you're doing before you even do it. And I miss that. I miss being prepared. So the entertainment value I bought. Oh, yeah. Was only done because I studied to a T. I studied to a T. You know, it's not like I'm just getting up.
No, it looks like it. Right. There's no way to have that kind of success with without knowing what you're doing, without knowing what I'm doing or knowing what you're doing before I even go do it.
I mean, listen, it is the best product. There's really nothing else. Do you think so?
I don't like – absolutely not. Some people do.
Yeah. The NFL will always be the cream of the crop. You think so?
No, you could. You just will never have another Barry Sanders. That ain't happening.
That is not happening. Absolutely not.
Not even close.
Well, you know, most of the time players back then were not as fast. Now we have, you know, D linemen, even D tackles that run in four or five.
No, not at all. You just have to be that much better.
You got to be that much better.
Yeah, absolutely. Me too. I had an opportunity to go to my first game in Atlanta. You did? Yo, that shit was amazing in Atlanta and the product in general. I don't know all the gripes that people have about the WNBA. Yeah. Oh, that shit was amazing. I know. Oh my goodness. The atmosphere from quarter one, the halftime, dude, it felt like I was at the club and I don't even go to the club.
And the first thing I thought about was, wait, is this what it's like when you, you know, when it comes to the nightlife?
They still have Aja Wilson. Yeah, Aja's still there. Yeah.
I don't know how to say his name the right way. Aziz Alshayer. Aziz Alshayer, yeah. Oh, hell yeah. He's an op, bro. He's working for the Middle East over here.
Yeah, I love the WNBA, man. I love the product they have.
I think Miami needs a team.
Obviously, I got to be realistic as well. The mind knows what to do. The mind knows what to do based on years of playing and IQ, on-field IQ. But the body won't react the way I want it to. Bro, you could play for the Titans. No. No. You guys got a good one in Calvin Ridley.
Absolutely not. No.
Absolutely. I can do that.
Back then, yes. Yes.
It's on you.
Yeah. I want two more.
Yeah. I'm probably going to do, is it called IBF? I want twins. Ooh. I want twins and I'm done.
He plays football the way football should be played.
No, not really. I just want to end on even numbers.
I like that. Damn. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
Yeah, they get to pick.
Yeah, of course. Is that a thing? I don't know. It's just the way I operate. I'm not worried about names.
Yeah, always.
I say whatever you want to do. We're rocking with it. Wow, bro. Yeah, my son. My son graduates from Arizona State. He's a Sun Devil? Yeah. He plays football there? No, he's done. He's done?
Yeah, he's good. He's really good.
You do as a parent, even though I play football, if you want to play, that's on you. If you don't want to play, I'm supporting whatever it is you want to do. I'm not one of those parents that push and push. You're going to do this? No, absolutely not.
No, I would hope not because the pressure would be coming from me. Fuck the outside noise. It has nothing to do with anything. Whatever you dream and want to do, I'm going to support it.
Probably my daughter that runs track at the University of Kentucky.
A little bit. It's a little bit of both us. A little bit of both us. A little bit of both us.
Athletic ability. Okay. Athleticism. And all of them are athletic. I think, honestly, her sister, who didn't run track, she's an AKA. She goes to Prairie View A&M. I think if she chose to run track or just be in athletics, I think she would be faster. So she's the diva. She's the Beyonce of the kids.
Yeah, she's the diva.
I don't think we're not even divas. That's just a word. I'm not sure why they use that word. It just doesn't describe any of us. Well, male divas then. No. Who's a better player?
Steve Atwater. Yeah. Yeah, Steve Atwater, Bob Sanders. Oh, he's old school. Yeah. He's old school. And obviously, right there, players should have slid early. Slide early.
She's a dancer. Oh, really? She's a dancer. She's MUA. She can dress her ass off. Oh, so she's stylish. Oh, my goodness. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's my baby. That's interesting. That's my baby.
I have a daughter also who's into tennis. Cheyenne. I call her Cha-Cha. So good. Already. Eight years old. So good. Forehand, forehand, backhand. So good. You don't understand. We're going to have this conversation again maybe five years from now. And I'll be like, Theo, remember what I told you? There she is right there on tour.
Yeah, she's in Florida. She's in Florida. I have a younger son. Savion. Football. Crazy.
Crazy, yeah.
Yeah, it's easy. It's easy. I hear people complain. It's easy.
Well, I don't know.
I think that might make it a little easier. I bet it does. From a financial standpoint, it's easy. But also being present and being active and being hands-on as much as I can, I just like it. Like, you know that feeling? I get such a great feeling when we go on trips. You know, every summer we take trips as one huge group. Really?
And just mobbing, mobbing through the airport with like 10, 8, 9 kids.
No, no, no.
Yeah, I take everyone.
That's it. I love that shit.
Mexico, DR. This summer we're going to Dubai, all of us. It's just those trips, dude. Just going to the mall when it's time to go shopping. Just walking in like one big gang. I love that.
No, they're good.
They're good, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
well you know especially in this economy too i can understand why some people a little bit more cautious yeah on on having kids yeah um who was an overhyped cornerback when you were playing bro overhyped yeah i don't talk about people like that but if you had to guess somebody if you get it i'm not doing that i don't talk about people so it's negative yeah it's a negative yeah nobody's overhyped if you made it you're one percenter you're there for a reason you're there for a reason
Yeah, you have off days. Michael Jordan had off days. I had off days. Some of the best, Brady, Mahomes, you have off days. But your good days outweigh the bad ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. That's a good one. That was a good question.
That was a good one.
Yeah. And out of that 16, you're going to have a bad one. Yeah. You want to be as consistent as possible, but being perfect, you strive for perfection. So even if you do fall short, but you're going to have bad days. Yeah.
Yeah, well, that's a part of it. That's a part of it. You have to evolve with the times. The parents have to evolve with the times that we're in now, understanding that we're in a social media era and everything is magnified times 10. Everything is magnified.
I mean, either way, it's not going anywhere. It's going to be here.
Not really. Just slide early. You know the guys are coming. They're much faster than you, especially quarterbacks. They're much faster than you. And Mahomes is one who's really tricky. He'll purposely slide late to get a penalty. Ooh. We know he does it on purpose.
It's going to be here.
Exactly. So at that point, it's on the parent helping the child understand. Water off a duck's back, no matter what it is. Something goes bad, in one ear, out the other. Next play.
Yeah, I mean, that's the game it is now. It's a pay to play.
I think the fact that colleges in general are billion dollar institutions or entities in general. And have made so much money off players' likeness for so long and the players really had nothing. So I like the fact that players are now able to take advantage of their likeness and get paid early because everybody's not making it to the NFL. Right. Everybody's not going to get there.
So them being able to make some change, make some cash now while they're playing, I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
No, absolutely not. You don't think so? Well, it could. But getting that kind of money in college.
Well, your end goal is the NFL. Your end goal is always the NFL. Getting money in college shouldn't change your long-term vision and your childhood dream of making it to the big league.
Sometimes he'll pretend like he's going down or going to step out of bounds and stay in just a little bit, just a tad second longer just to get a flag thrown. God, he's lingering. Offensive players are using the rules to their advantage, and it puts the defensive players in a pickle.
Because that little bit of money is to help family.
No, trust me, they're using it for family because you don't, you know, based on where some of these individuals are coming from, this is a huge help, a huge jumpstart to being able to help their family. But the end goal of the real money is in the NFL, not NIL.
Probably $4 million, maybe $5 million.
He only got three more to go.
No, total.
You got to remember, arts comes from money anyway, so that's not new to him.
Now it's based on NBA playoffs. So we're off tonight. So we just did Thursday, Wednesday, and Tuesday. We're off tomorrow. No, we're off today. We're on tomorrow, Sunday, Monday, and Thursday. We're on Saturday, Sunday. Wait.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun. You know, it's the NBA game, the NBA playoffs, and we always have an NBA guest on, so I'm enjoying that. I'm enjoying that.
Yeah, right now I'm good because this is my off season. You know, when football season gets here, I'm on NFL films. I'll be on ESPN this year with Stephen A, so I'm good. Oh, wow. This is my off time.
Cool as hell. Cool as hell. Stephen A has afforded me opportunities I couldn't have imagined. Couldn't have imagined. Yeah, so I like it, especially being in space, being able to transition into media. Yeah. It's been really good for me.
Yeah, an opinion that's respected, especially when it comes to football.
It was good. It was good, especially that 2005 year, which that was the year we were on fire offensively. And obviously defense, they were having takeaways like crazy offensively. That was our year. If Carson didn't go down in that first round of the playoffs against the Steelers, that was our year to hoist a trophy. That was our year. Oh, my goodness. The city was on fire. I can just imagine now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hell yeah. Every year, every year now with Joe Burrow there, you know you have an opportunity. You got a chance.
Oh, yeah. Rudy, whoosh. Those are some good dudes, man. Matter of fact, I have a group chat with half of everybody in here. Hoosh is in there. I'm in there. Danny Johnson is in there. We got Carson. Justin Smith is in that group chat. I haven't seen some of these names. Oh, Brian Simmons is in the group chat. I haven't seen some of these names in so long. Oh, look at Odell Thurman.
Odell was really good.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember where Rudy went after he left Cincinnati.
It does. Listen, those years go by real fast, very fast.
Damn. Yeah, we were on fire, man.
And who was our backup that year? Oh, John Kidna. He now coaches at Lakota East or Lakota West High School in Cincinnati. Carson Palmer is now coaching in L.A. I don't know what school he's coaching at. And Kidna, y'all didn't break through that second round? No, no, no, man. The Steelers won that game, man. They won that game. Old John, that's my guy.
It will never swing back the other way. The NFL, they have to protect themselves. They got to protect the shield and protect the players on the back end.
That's all I know. Been all over the world, B. I done been all over the world, and it's nothing like home. No matter where I go and I do all my traveling strictly for soccer purposes, I'm a huge soccer enthusiast. Love soccer. You think you could have played it at a pro level? I would have had to start when I was four years old. If I started when I was four years old.
Yes. I love it. I love it. I love the atmosphere, the energy. I don't think people understand. We don't look at soccer as... Of sport. Why are you like, all they're doing is running around. The score is only 1-0, but you don't understand how beautiful that game is. You know, it's like painting a picture. And if you watch it and understand what you're watching, then you'll appreciate it more.
Oh, my goodness. Times 10. Then football.
For me? Yeah. Growing up, I had the opportunity to see a river game versus Boca Juniors in Argentina. Yeah. You'll never see an atmosphere like that ever again. Dang. And I don't think people, it's kind of dangerous, but still. River Plate and Boca Juniors. Obviously, I've seen every EPL team. I've been to their stadium. I've seen every La Liga team play.
El Clasico, Real Madrid, and Barcelona is always a good one.
Every last stadium. Yes, every last one. It was magical, huh? I did the World Cup. With Qatar, with Fox. I was the analyst for... Really? Yeah, for Fox. Damn, Chad.
Dude, I love, love soccer, man. Like, if you had to choose between going to a soccer game or just watching and having sex, I'm picking soccer every time.
Absolutely. I don't care who it is.
I don't care who it is. Like, that's how much I love the game, the beautiful game.
Depends.
I mean, listen, I did amateur porn growing up. So for me, it's... You did amateur? Yeah, amateur porn, yeah. It's just the only difference is I didn't get paid for it.
Yeah, that's why I was an amateur.
Yeah, I had a tripod camera set up. Oh, okay. Yeah, a tripod, yeah. Yeah, so... Those tapes still out there, you think? They did. It earned me some good money. Oh, you had a tape out there? No, I had a tripod and I just sold it myself.
No. Yes. Right now, probably back then. I don't even think they sell the camcorders.
Back then for someone to be able to blackmail me at this point.
No, because I was, I like to call myself an all around player outside of just catching the balls because there were certain things I already knew I would have two people on me every time. So that opened up the running game. So I had no problem.
You have a girlfriend?
I just be careful. Are you cautious on who you're dealing with based on now being the guy?
Yeah, it can be. A lot of people, I hate when people call sex an addiction. Really? I really don't like that because we're mammals.
we're put on hearth in general to to have sex oh yeah to procreate in general we pump and so i just i hate the fact that we have all these definitions oh he's an addict no you're not it's sex it's something that we as humans actually do some do it more than others yeah that just you know it's cool yeah some people enjoy doing it a ton some people don't enjoy doing it yeah and some enjoy doing it with with multiple people yeah and just it is you ever been to a swingers club
No. I mean, yeah, I used to, I used to work at one. Oh, you did? Yeah. I used to be a gigolo for, for rich, rich, rich, wealthy, uh, women.
Yeah. Molly crew. Yeah.
So if you open up the running game and the running game is doing well, then they have to take a safety and get him up off of me and bring him down in the box or Now I get to cook. So I look at it that way. Do you think a lot of players look at it that way? Probably not. I knew I would get mine no matter what because I was the number one receiver. So at some point, the ball was going to get to me.
Yeah. Get on dates. And, you know, obviously they had billionaire husbands, billionaire boyfriends that didn't have the time for them. And they would, I would just fill that void that they weren't getting at home because of them being busy.
The husband didn't know. Yeah. It was an ad. It was an ad in a paper. You put your own ad out? Yeah. I put my own ad out.
Based on the information that what they were looking for, I had a menu of services that I provided.
Yeah. Someone was sexual. Someone would just be spending time, you know, dates, movies, conversation, massage, stuff like that. And most of the time it was more about sex and, you know, fulfilling that fantasy of being with a black guy.
Yeah, it's more of a term in referencing the private area.
I didn't know it.
Right, right.
Yeah, they just wanted to fulfill that fantasy.
Yeah, I mean, for an hour, I could make anywhere from $3,500 to $5,000. My goodness. Yeah.
No, this is before I even I hadn't even made it yet. Oh, wow. Because at that point, I wouldn't need the money if I'm already in the league. Oh, yeah. So that's way, you know, in college. You know, I used to strip, too. Did you really? In L.A. at the right track. Damn. Yeah, I was a dancer. They used to call me Twix. Really? Why? Because I was skinny and had a lot of veins. Oh, yeah.
Like the Twix, yeah. Dang, man. Was that a fun sport? It was fun. It was fun. It was fun.
No, I didn't do the splits. I didn't do the splits. But what I did come to learn is the women of... 200 plus pounds or more, they tip much better than everyone else.
Did they? Oh, yeah, they tip well.
At times, yeah.
Plus I love, I love, I love that.
I just do. Theo, I got so many good stories, man, from back then. It's just, we'd be here all day.
Holy shit. Speaking of drive-in, I haven't been to a drive-in in years. Do they still have drive-in theaters? Especially here in Florida. That would be a great date. I'm so glad you brought that up.
Yeah, that'd be dope.
But then you have some games you go into, and a team will say, you know what? Today, 85 is not beating us. It's going to have to be somebody else. In those games, you do the best you can to keep your composure. It gets frustrating at times. You're out there just getting cardio in, but you're going to have games like that.
No, because I already know. Yeah, no. Nothing to be scared of. Nothing to be scared of. I'm going to perform to put on a show.
Well, it depends on what she picks from.
Yeah, depending on what you got.
No, I don't do checks. Cash. Cash up front.
Yeah, most definitely. You got to start somewhere.
No, no. Just banana hammock.
Yeah, lotion up everywhere.
Especially when I come on stage.
Yeah, it's outdoor season right now, too. It just started. So when I get up there, you got to come on down.
I think so. I mean, rightfully so. For those that understand, for them, if it means that much to them, you know, being a part of that entity of special people, yes. But then there's some players also, like myself, that feel that I don't really need the validation. I understand who I am and what I did during my time. And I'm in general, I don't really need it.
I hate the fact that there are certain people that sit in places that are in a position of power that can control individuals that no longer play. It's like puppets. Oh, yeah, I know you want to be here so bad, so I'm controlling whether you can get it or not. I would never give anyone the satisfaction, the power over me. I don't care about your shit. Take it. I mean, listen, it's great.
It's a great achievement, a great accomplishment, but come on. I have too much going on now still.
When I put that Hall of Fame jacket on myself. Oh, yeah.
I think there are 269 members in the Hall of Fame, but that jacket right there, that's one-on-one.
That's one of one. There's only one of those.
Yeah. Listen, the Hall of Fame is unbelievable, you know, to be able to get there. Oh, yeah. I'm not discrediting it. Yeah, me neither. I'm just saying, but I don't like the power it holds over players that are retired. Because they're clamoring trying to get in.
That's not me. It never has been.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, always, always. And I really, really ever was lackadaisical because I understood what I mean to us offensively even when I wouldn't get the ball.
Unk is going through his issues, right? And whatnot. And Unk asked me to be a part of Nightcap. And I'm going to ride that wave because he asked me to come on. I'm not jumping ship because of his personal stuff that you handle whatever you need to handle. I'm always be here.
I'm going to be here. You know, if the ship go down, bitch, I'm going down with it. Yeah. You know, so when the ship was going good, I was right here. Just because it's just because it's fucking rocky. I ain't going nowhere. I'm not going nowhere. So I'm going to let Uncle do what he needs to do. We're going to keep on filming. We're going to keep on trucking. We're going to keep our head down.
He knows what he needs to do on his end, and I'm going to make sure I take care of my end and do what I need to do and show up. That's it. That's it.
It depends. It all depends on the atmosphere. All depends on the atmosphere and the situation. I mean, driving a car and the cops pull up behind you, we get nervous. Yeah.
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. So I run them off.
Yeah, you guys, not so much. I get nervous.
Doesn't matter. No matter what. I always even keel at all times.
Yeah, always been and will never change. I will always remain authentically myself at all times.
Thank you, boss. I appreciate it, baby.
And they're like, that's a good question.
I'm trying to think. I can't. I can't think. I'm dark. My damn self.
Yeah, very, very. I'm trying. I'm trying to get darker. You know, I used to tan.
I used to go to the tanning bed.
Damn. Butt naked just to even everything out. I like it.
You know, sometimes I would like the chest and the neck area to match. And sometimes it doesn't. I don't like that because it's always covered. I want my legs, chest, and everything one like chocolate, dark, go diva, Willy Wonka type complexion.
The little chocolates?
Some of them is gold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The little mint. I know what you're talking about.
I like those.
God, that's expensive.
I got to look into that.
Well, for me, it would be cigars.
85 cigars. Yeah. You have a brand of them? Yeah. Oh, bet I didn't even know, man. I'm a year six. 85, a number five, and boom, there they go.
yeah boy them bitches give you give you a long cte huh listen that's that's all i do i've never i've never had alcohol really never so anytime i have a cigar i always pair with uh my coffee i've just finished my coffee yeah i never had alcohol uh no drugs never done anything but cigars i've been smoking since 1991 wow since 91 i smoked two or three a day and this is actually even when i was playing when i was playing i would smoke whether we lost whether we won
Yeah, most definitely. It's all about the taste. It's all about the taste. And I'm a fan of really all cigars, whether they're mild, strong, peppery, smooth. It doesn't matter. I'm a cigar enthusiast. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
No, you're not supposed to inhale. You're supposed to taste it. Oh, I like to hit that bitch. Cigars, it's an acquired taste.
Yeah, that's funny.
No. I never will, man.
I think it might have been my mom. She drank? Yeah. Oh, did she? Really? Oh, man, she drank like a fish. You know, morning, noon, night. And seeing her become somebody I didn't even recognize, I think that's why I stayed away from it. Because it always starts young. Anytime you have a habit that you stay away from, you have the discipline to do it, most people say, oh, you're so disciplined.
Anything you want to talk about or don't want to talk about? It's like having sex. Get into it. I don't have rules. I'm just as crazy as you are. If you ask, you're ready for an answer. Well...
No, say, no, I'm not. I saw something in my mom when I was younger that let me know, you know what, I'm not going down that path. I just never did it.
I never forget. And I knew that I got that phone call. I got that phone call and I knew something was wrong because it was family members calling. That's scary, huh? Family members never call, especially like that back to back from different family members. And I kind of already knew what it was because my brother had already called. So I already know nothing's wrong with him.
And I had a feeling what it was and- Say, come down to the house. Your mom is, she's passed out. They couldn't even open the door. She was right there, right there by the door. And obviously the autopsy came back and she passed away. Drank herself to death. That's my baby though.