Caitlin Clark
Appearances
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
yeah so like life just changes fast but that's that's what makes it fun and cool and you know quickly started a new chapter of my life too like moving here to indianapolis and feel lucky i'm still in the midwest i know you guys like the midwest so i think yeah i've been in the midwest my entire life jason's officially an east coaster now philly of all the east coast cities kind of has like some midwest feel to it the most west i don't think philly wants to hear that they'll probably hate that i said that but whatever yeah
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
They're not going to like that comment. They want to be far from the Midwest. No doubt.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I mean, it's just so unlike any other professional sport, really, from the standpoint of, so I played in the national championship and I basically went to the draft right after it got picked. And then you basically pack up and move. Like you're moving in April. You don't even finish senior year of college. And I guess for you guys, like, what was it? You go to the combine.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
How long do you have to prepare for the combine? A few months. And then you get drafted and you still got a little time to get acclimated to the new city. Yeah. For sure. You know, you have camp, whatever. Like it's not like that. Like camp for us is like a week and a half. Let's go play. Yeah. But I think it was good a little bit too. Like you don't have time to overthink things.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like it's just like boom, boom, boom, boom. Like you're just on to the next. But at the same time, like you don't like, I feel like I never really ended the chapter of college. Like it was just like you left, but maybe that's good. You don't have a lot of time to think about it. So I think that's definitely the weirdest part of,
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
you know, women's professional basketball and obviously college basketball too. It's just that change, but that's kind of how it has to be too. So it's just different, but I think I feel lucky too, because we had the Olympic break.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I got a month off in the middle of the season because we had to pause the WNBA season because, you know, the 12 girls go, go and play in the Olympics and everybody else, you're not doing much. So got to like a month off, which I really needed, obviously, because I'd been playing basketball for just a year straight, but yeah,
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
For sure. And like you come in as a rookie and like you said, like you're trying to figure out a new environment, new teammates. Like you don't want to say too much. You don't want to say too little. And it's just so hard. But like in my scenario and obviously you guys too, like you're already highly thought of. Like people are turning to you to like be something or be someone. So it's hard.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like you're trying to find your get your feet wet, but also not do too much. And I think that's kind of what I struggled in early on is like, I don't know what to say. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how they're going to react. For not knowing you nailed it. But also like I had a lot of really good vets around me, too. So I feel very grateful for that. And we had a fairly young team, too.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So like people had been through it fairly recently. So they knew how I felt. But like I feel like that definitely is a huge challenge. And that goes for whatever professional sport like you're trying to learn. But also people are looking at you like you got to perform and like be what they drafted you to be. And that can be tough.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You know, the NCAA, like they don't have many rules on much anymore.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah, there was quite a few. Somebody that comes to the top of my head is Tamika Ketchings, who was an MVP in the WNBA. She won their championship here, I think, I want to say 2012, when the Fever won their championship. She was what made the Indiana Fever really good. That was our prime. That was when we were really good. And then after... Tamika retired.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
The fever kind of went down a little bit as every team does. Once you're, you know, franchise player retires and moves away from basketball. And she's still really big here in the Indianapolis community. And she was one of the first people to text me after I got picked and still checks in on me. So it's cool.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It's like somebody that's not in your building every single day, but it means so much to your community and to the organization. And to have that, like, she's like a legend, her, her numbers up in the rafters, like that's somebody I idolized and looked up to. And, for her to just take, you know, two seconds to check in on me and see how I'm doing. And, um, that's obviously really special.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I would certainly say her, um, and we still have that relationship and it's still growing and she still comes around now and then, and her championship trophy that she won, like sits in our locker room. It's like right next to my locker. I'm like, great. The So I have to look at it every day. These are the shoes. It's got like its own like glass case.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It's been great for everybody, honestly.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Absolutely.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh, well, I felt like, so it's crazy. Like I, because of COVID, I could have actually gone back to school for a fifth year.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Well, early on.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like you're there with your friends and like the game's just easier. Like it's just how it is in there. You don't want that chapter of your life to end. Like it's fun. You do fun things. You guys know how it is and it's easy going and whatever.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But yeah, so I was like kind of considering that, but then I got to the point where I was like, yeah, I'm totally leaving. Like, I, I know this is going to be the end for me. Just like, I felt very content in that. And yeah. Then obviously, like, I had a very good feel that I was probably going to be the first pick.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But like, you're still sitting there and like you, everybody gets nervous and jittery, no matter where you're projected or what you're going to be like.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. Like, how did you guys feel going into going into the draft?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I know. That's what I always think about.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
How many rounds are there in the NFL draft?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It's like the MLB where they had a thousand rounds. Exactly.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You can just try to pick a good situation to go to.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. Well, my high school to college transition was so weird because I was COVID. So like, I didn't even know when I was going to go to college. It's like, I didn't even like technically graduate high school. Like I did obviously, but. Like I didn't ever walk really. We had like an outdoor thing. But other than that, like it was it was so weird.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And then like two weeks before they're like, we're in the summer. And I was like, yeah, like we want you to come to campus. And literally the only people there were like us in the football team and men's basketball. Wow. It was so weird. Like in the dorms, it was literally just athletes in the dorms. No RAs. It was like a huge mansion with just college kids running wild. I'm not going to lie.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Sign me up. It was a bit concerning, but it was awesome.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
it was a lot of fun um i don't know if they knew that i still don't think they know that that was the situation at least that was the situation where on a few floors that i was near but it was a good time honestly and nice it was just so weird like i didn't have that normal college experience like i think my first semester like i was taking everything online um just trying not to get covid because we're testing every day and just trying to play and gosh thank god we're out of that
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I know. So just kind of crazy. But, and then obviously going from college to the pros, I think it's just like the time span. That's just, what's so weird about it. It's just so short and condensed. Like you don't have much time, but at that point it is what it is. Everybody has to deal with the same thing. So that's what I told myself is like, there's no, no point in complaining.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Everybody's dealing with it. It's not any different.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I, it was early on. I want to say it was like our 10th game of the year. We're playing in New York for a celebrity who ended up winning the championship this year.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And somebody set a screen on me and like, I hit my ear, like just perfect on, on the girl where like my eardrum popped and like ruptured. And I knew it, I knew it right away. Cause I've done it before. And I was just like, it hurts so bad. I don't know if you guys have ever done that, but how did you do it before?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh, yeah, I guess. It was very Midwestern.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah! I got launched off a tube.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
That's funny. But, yeah, I got launched off a tube in the middle of a lake. I was, like, underwater. I'm like, am I okay?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But, yeah, so that was my welcome to the W moment.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
There's, like, not really much you can do. It takes, like, months to heal. So, like, after the season, the doctor had to, like, go back in and look and see if it closed. And if it doesn't close, you have to have, like, a minor procedure. But lucky enough, it closed, so I was fine. Oh, thank gosh. Yeah, you have to, like, be careful about, like, getting water in there.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You can't go in lakes and pools. Like, it's weird. Sometimes it'll bleed when it pops, but mine didn't, thankfully. So, yeah, it's just really annoying. Like, your hearing is, like, really off. And, Jason, you're probably noticed. Like, your hearing is just kind of off for, like, a few weeks.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I love both. it's hard. Cause like my family would always vacation down to Florida. Like that's for spring break. Like that's what we would do. I'd go with my cousin. So like, we loved the beach. My parents are beach people, but like you just grow up around lakes in the Midwest. Like you just, that's what, that's what you do.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
St. Pete's.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Okay. Yeah. So that was our spot, but I love lakes and they're just easier. And I'm not as scared going in the water. Like I'm not going to have it in the ocean for sure. I don't know what's down there. I'm not messing with that salt water. Exactly. Like you feel a little more confident.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
He's trying to hype one up over the other.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
That's his new hobby. He had to pick it up.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh!
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You guys played hockey? I didn't even know that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You ought to be a pretty solid basketball player.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Really? Sold out?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I played soccer growing up. It was soccer and basketball. Honestly, hockey isn't really that big in Iowa. It wasn't really a big thing, which is kind of weird. You think it would be. But it was more of nobody really did it.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
All the Iowa football players usually are really good high school wrestlers.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Jason was a wrestler. Athletic, but big and athletic. Great wrestlers, state champion wrestlers, but that would be like freak O-linemen or like good tight ends or whatever it was.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I basically narrowed it down pretty early on when I was going through my college recruitment that I wanted to be like in the Midwest, just kind of a homebody, family person, just wanted to stay fairly close to home. So that narrowed a lot of stuff down. And I visited like Oregon and Texas and a few other places. And I liked them, but it was just like, I knew it was too far.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And then visited Notre Dame a bunch of times. And I was like, I love Notre Dame. And I like... As a kid, you want to go to Notre Dame. It's the same with Notre Dame football. It's the coolest thing in the world. It's Notre Dame. It has that tradition. They've had so many great players go through there in every single sport. But I just knew something. I could feel it in my gut.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I was like, I'm not supposed to go there.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I picked Iowa and we were I was really good at women's basketball before I went there to like made a few sweet 16s made the lead eight. Our coach had been there for quite a while, but they hadn't been to the final four since like 1992. So I wanted to go somewhere that was good, but like maybe hadn't been like a blue blood for say in like quite a few years and yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
kind of help them get back to that. And then it was obviously my home state too. And two hours from where I grew up. So perfect distance where like your parents can't show up, but also like you can go home if you wanted to.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It's important. It just kind of all worked out perfect. And obviously I made an okay decision and it worked out pretty well, but.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I took quite a few to both.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Or did you even have one? Cause I like, I wouldn't even say Notre Dame was like my dream school. It was more so like, I just thought it was super cool. Like for sure.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You can't like Michigan and Ohio State.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I mean, you can, but Michigan and Ohio State fans are not going to be happy about that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Ohio State Stadium is legit. When we would go to play at Ohio State, I would be like – we would drive past and I'm like, it would make Iowa Stadium look so small. And it still seats 70,000, but that place is just gigantic. I do love Iowa stadium though.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Kinnick. Yeah. Kinnick. Yeah. Great atmosphere. It's great. And the wave is pretty awesome because the children's hospital looks right over on the stadium. So it's cool. It's always been a thing. But the wave has really become a thing probably in the last eight years, I want to say, because we have a kid captain for every game because the hospital is such a big deal.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And it's usually a kid battling some sort of disease or has beaten some sort of disease, not always cancer, but whatever it is. And that's always fun. They get to pick a song that plays after the first quarter. And I get the chills every time. It's sick. It's It's probably one of the best traditions in all of sports, if not the best, honestly.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah, so after the first quarter, everybody turns because the children's hospital looks on top of the football stadium.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
They're incorporating the wave? I'm an idiot. Maybe we can get that started too. Maybe you're onto something, Jason. Iowa fans are going to be fired up now. They're going to be doing it at the same time.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So at the time, like... That's insane.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. It's honestly sad. Like we're college, like recruitment has kind of gone. It's just insane. But also I feel very fortunate. Like my parents were just like, they told my older brother, like, go get the mail. Like, we don't want your sister to see that. They like wanted me to be in seventh grade and like enjoy middle school and like hang out with your friends.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. So I didn't really take any visits until after my freshman year of college. And then I didn't decide until my senior year. So I was never in a rush. And my parents did a really good job of making sure I have a good circle around me. It wasn't always about college recruitment. I wasn't posting my offers. Also, that wasn't really a thing when I was growing up. So...
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah, it was close. Like people were starting to do it. Like posts like, oh, I got an offer from here. I got an offer from here.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Now it's all you see on social media. It's like only people talk about. It's crazy. But obviously times have changed too, but. Oh, times have changed. Yeah, seventh grade was wild. And I was playing up like two years. So I was playing with high schoolers. But yeah, I didn't really like think anything of it. Like I was just going out there and hooping and having fun.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It is crazy. And I, so I played AAU and then I played for my high school team, but my eight, my mom would be like, she is not playing more than like three games or two games in one day. Like that's crazy. Cause sometimes they would want me to play like for the seventh grade team and the eighth grade team. So my parents were like really good about that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like they didn't want me to lose the love of it. Like you don't want to get burned out. Like you still want to be having fun when you're doing it as a pro, if you're lucky enough. And yeah. Maybe as a kid, I was like, mom, no, like I can keep going. Like I can keep playing.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But looking back, like I'm very fortunate for that because I haven't lost that fun of it and that passion for it and always wanting to get better. And sometimes that's why people get burned out is because they did it too much as a kid and their parents forced it on them or whoever forced it on them too much. And That was never something I really had to deal with.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm going to try to do like NFL current players. See if I can do.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm going to go Tyler Linderbaum on the Rave.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Tristan Wirfs. That's right. Solid answer. The Eagles, actually, rookie, Cooper DeGene.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Ah, that's right. I always forget about him. He's on the Vikings, right?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
His wife actually played basketball at Iowa, too.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Look at that. Yeah, they actually came to quite a few of our games the last couple of years. Great people. Cool people. Oh, gosh. Okay, let's see.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
She knew all day. I'm going to go Geno Stone. I think he's on the Bengals now. I'm pretty sure he had a pick six this past week.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Did anybody say Dallas Clark?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I was holding on to that one.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm going to go Riley Moss on the Broncos. I'm going with the younger players who are in school with me.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm impressed.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Ooh. That's tough. There's a lot.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So every four years in college basketball, you get to take a foreign trip and you like go and play some teams overseas, like in the summer before your season.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So we went to Italy and Croatia, like two great spots.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Honestly, Croatia. I've heard that. I've heard Croatia is awesome. It's great. I went to Split and Dubrovnik. It's awesome. I tell people, I'm like, if you're going to go one place overseas, that has to be the spot. It's clean. The water's beautiful. Things to do. Oh, that's cool. Food's great. Nice. The basketball wasn't that serious. We beat everybody by like 80. But it was just so much fun.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
We had so many fun nights together.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah, like people don't get to hear about like those type of memories with your friends, like your college friends.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I was like, yeah, yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It became a thing after my freshman year. And it was kind of weird because like everybody was like, okay, so like, what is it? And like, trying to maneuver, you know, the NCAA, like they don't have many rules on much anymore. So like, right. There weren't many rules and it was more so like, okay, like what can we do? What can we don't, can we not do? Um, and like, we're also the first.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So like, you're trying to figure it out as you go. Um, my family helped me a lot. Um, But as you get going, you know, you just figure things out and it's fun. And like, and it obviously has been, should have been a thing for a really long time.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like the NIL part of it, like the true, like endorsements, like you're doing a commercial for, you know, the local coffee shop or like whatever it is, like it's something so easy and so simple. And I think. You know, like a normal student can do that. But like, why couldn't an athlete? Like, it's just like such a simple thing that should have been a thing for a long time.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But also, it was like challenging to navigate. And it still is like seeing these college students that they don't have the right resources around them. Right. It's tough. It stinks. Like, it's hard. And I think that's kind of like something that needs to kind of become, I don't know, more prevalent.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And I know universities are trying to start like having in-house like NIL people or whatever it is, or in-house lawyers or whatever it is to kind of try to manage that. So they're doing the best they can, too. But obviously, there's not many guidelines or rules. So it makes it hard as well. But yeah. It obviously changed a lot and it's made it fun.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And I think it's also helped women's sports grow too. I think you've seen.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Nice.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I know. That's what I always think about. And lucky enough, I had, like, obviously great parents and people that helped me with that. But, like, these people are, like, getting this money and, like, little do they know, like... You're going to see like maybe half of that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And like they're spending and like you just worry. But if you guys got to pick any NIL deal in college, what are you going with?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
What do you think about that, Jason, as a Philly guy?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I was thinking it was their backup, but, like... Oh, was it? Okay, sorry. Sorry. But he played in a few games, even like quite a few games, because I think Drew Aller or whatever his name is got hurt or something. That's what it was. But yeah, the transfer portal was crazy, especially in football. Like, I think that's where it's gotten the craziest. It is.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Adam Schefter's like reporting like, yes, they've negotiated a new deal for him to stay at the university. I'm like, yeah. Like, where else is he going to go?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
it's like crazy and it's kind of sad like i like it just so you lost that little bit of like i don't know amateurism of college sports and i don't know that's why it's so fun but also like it's the level right below being a professional like that like that i don't know it's like a minor league football basically now yeah that's exactly what it is i don't know what do you guys think about the transfer portal do you think there should be like different rules i'm too old school i didn't get the opportunity to transfer so
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
For sure.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I know. I agree.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Or I think you get one free pass.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Or you get a free pass if your coach leaves or whatever.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But now we got people on their fourth school and their seventh year. It's just getting egregious.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And what do you have to say in college for three years in college football? What do you guys think about that? You think that's good or you think that should remain? Yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I did. I did.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh, see, that's tough.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I saw Kevin Durant said this today or maybe yesterday or whenever it was, but they should go back to the East versus West. And that's when I loved it. I think it should be East versus West. Like that's true. All-stars like East versus West battle it out. That's what it was about. Yeah. So I think that's what it should be, but obviously not the commissioner.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm on board for East versus West all-stars. I think that's the whole point of it. That's why you're an all-star. It's the best from the East versus the best in the West play each other. See which side's better.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm getting like a migraine looking at the neon green. Yeah. I feel like it was a hit the first year, the NBA Cup or whatever it was, and it kind of toned down a little bit this year, but it's interesting. They're trying to spice it up a little bit.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You're the marketing major. Come on. I've been asking a lot of people about this and why they think they're down. But also, like, it's interesting because I'm pretty sure opening day was the NBA's best opening day in a while. So it's interesting. And obviously, I think.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Honestly, I feel like the average basketball fan doesn't understand how good NBA players are. And they think it looks like they're not trying. I promise you they're trying. They're just so good. That's why it looks like they're not trying. And obviously... The physicality of the league has changed a lot. And I wasn't around when it was much more physical.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And maybe people want more beef and physicality. And people think it's gotten soft. But I think that's also because the skill has just changed. And that's what's great about basketball. It's always evolving. It's going to be different than when MJ played. It's going to be different in 10 years than it is now. So it's hard for me to put my finger on why it has gone down.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And also, it's competing against a lot of football right now. You have to take that into consideration. Football is just... you know, that's America's favorite thing. I think people should like, I mean, I love three point shooting. I love seeing guys just like launch threes, but not everybody loves that. So I don't know.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I love that. Let's do it.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Four point line.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Or we can get like just two spots.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Two-minute penalty boxing. You can come back in. You don't get ejected.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
He's got some reach on to bring that physicality guy wants that.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like you're on fire.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
That would be cool. That would be cool.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. I used to have this, like, it was like the whole arcade, like the arcade NBA Jam. That's so sick. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm jealous. Yeah. I haven't played in a while, but yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I think that's for sure probably something like 82 games on somebody's body. That's so many. It's insane.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh yeah. There's definitely ways to solve that. I mean like 82 games and we don't even, we play half of that and that's going to go up as we add more teams to our league. Yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Great women's basketball could be great there. For sure. So I'd support it. But, yeah, I don't know. I think 82 games is a lot on somebody's body and, like, mentally. Like, that's hard. And what is it for football? I mean, you're playing, what, 15?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And what are you playing, Travis? You're playing, like –
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Okay.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
The video that was going viral where I completely topped it. So it's crazy. We're playing these long par threes that are like 200 yards. I'm like, I'm not good enough to hit a par three like 200 yards. So I whip out my hybrid. I'm like teeing up my hybrid club. Just top it, like straight out of the fan to the left.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
But I nailed somebody on a different par three, like some woman, like right in the shoulder. Shoulder? I saw a TikTok like the next day, just like black welt on her arm.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I think like golf makes me more mad because I'm not as good at it. Like I'm just like the average hack and like you want to be good, like you're competitive, just like basketball or football. Like it's like, why am I not good at this? So and it's like it's like it's an individual sport and we're used to team sports. So I think that's what pisses me off, too.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It's like it's all on me and I know it's all my fault.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
First tee, not even close. I'm like shaking. I like can't put my ball on the tee. You're like, can't get it to stay on the tee. You're shaking so bad trying to put the tee in the ground. I mean, like you're average at golf. At least you're confident in the actual sport you play, you know?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You know what's good? Where is the Love by the Black Eyed Peas. That's a good karaoke song.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yep. Honestly, it changes up. I like a little duet action. So you could go up there with your friends. Okay.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I haven't done karaoke in a while. What's your guys' go-to song? If you had to pick.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah, that takes a lot out of you. Because I can only stay, I can only stay like that for so long.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
what's the goat basketball shoe oh so i play in only kobe's i like kobe's online i'm a big kobe fan what numbers the five and six i like the six probably better but five and six they're low tops so yeah that's where i was like i can do the ones that's about it but they
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh man, that's tough. I think if my basketball career would have ended, I still would have loved sports just because it was like, so such a huge part of my childhood and like what I did.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. I appreciate it. I'm excited. I don't get excited about many things, but this is on top of my list.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So I don't know, maybe like try to work in like a front office of a sports organization or something like that. I think that would be cool. Not like the coaching side of it, but like the operations side and getting to do like free agency stuff. And I think that would be really cool.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And this was, like, such a random thing when I was growing up. I, like, told my mom, like, yeah, there was, like, this plot of land, like, by where we would, like, where we lived. And I, like, had this weird obsession with, like, ribs. It was, like, what I asked my mom to bake me for my birthday.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Let me tell you, there ain't nothing weird about that. So I was, like... So I was like, yeah, I'm going to open the rib crib, like have this barbecue joint. Like, we'll see. I've kind of phased out of like, I love ribs still, but I don't, I've never made ribs for myself, but I'll just hire a chef. Maybe he can run the restaurant.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I got to go like some mac and cheese. Okay. What else are we going with? Cornbread.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
You have to have cornbread. Yeah. Maybe some like green beans with bacon or like. I don't even know. Baked beans. Baked beans. Baked beans are great.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Baked beans are great. I love baked beans. I haven't had barbecue in forever. You're going to make me crave it.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
That's tough. I think just like enjoy every single moment because it goes so fast and like life changes so fast. And, you know, you only get to do a lot of things once. So have fun. Enjoy it. Remember why you do it because like you love it. You're passionate about it. You know, don't take it too serious. So I would say that. That's how I've tried to live.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And obviously some moments are better than others. As you guys know, you get competitive and caught up, but...
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It was fun. You guys were great. So thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Caitlin, Claude! Yeah! Thanks, Chelsea Bros. You guys are awesome.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
April.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So hopefully I can make it to a Chiefs game here soon. Maybe a playoff game or something.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Appreciate you guys.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Well, I'd give you the answer my mom would say is probably academic All-American. She was proud of me for being a good student in college.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Nobody talks about that. Love that answer from mom. That's what I'm talking about. I did all right in school, so hung in there, but... Other than that, I mean, they're all cool, but you don't really care. It kind of just comes with it. It comes with having fun. And I think that the time athlete of the year was cool, too, just because you see the list of like.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
all the athletes that they've had prior to me. And a lot of those people I idolized growing up and LeBron's been the only other basketball player. So, and it's cool as a woman, like they haven't had many females on the cover too. So for women's sports, it's kind of special, but you know, just kind of comes with playing the game and having fun as you guys know.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
that's awesome i love it what did you what'd you study in college what was i was in a business school i got my degree in marketing so you're a marketing major i'm a marketing major there we go yeah you guys you guys are great at marketing we're all right you gotta figure i gotta go on like dating shows to get my name out there
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm a Midwest kid. So there's this picture that's been circulating from a couple years ago when I was on Peyton Eli's Monday night show where I'm in a full Chiefs outfit. I have family in Kansas City and I grew up in Des Moines, Iowa, which is only three hours from Kansas City. So that's just the closest NFL team. So my dad was a big Chiefs fan growing up.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So people think I'm like a bandwagon Chiefs fan. I'm like, no, I was there before. Before Patrick and Travis, we were ride or die. So we've been big fans. And now, obviously, all the success you guys have had has made it a lot of fun for us.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
My brother loved Tony Gonzalez. Tony G? Yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
He was the chief. We would go to one game a year growing up with my cousins down in Kansas City. And we still try to go. We went to the Christmas Day game last year. I think the year before you might have played on.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Christmas Eve maybe we went to that we were sitting outside for that one my my toes were like about to fall off my fingers about to fall off I don't get how you guys play in that type of weather but it's fun and like obviously we got heaters on the sideline Arrowhead's not too bad so good spot it's a blast you already know have you ever messed with those heaters on the sideline have you ever seen those things so we played a basketball game outside in college like an exhibition game
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And they had those on the sidelines. And I was like, I didn't really never know what they were, but they had them. And they get so hot. It's too hot. It's too hot.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I think they like said like, yeah, there's a fire marshal like over there like watching, make sure it doesn't catch on fire.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Oh, is? I mean, obviously Travis is up there. But I'm obviously a big Patrick fan, too. How can you not be? Like, the both of you. You're pretty great. I'm here. But it's been fun. And obviously, I've known Brett Veach for a while. It's actually kind of crazy. So when I was in college, we played the Big Ten tournament in Indianapolis. And it was at the time of the Combine.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
So Brett was staying in our hotel. And that's kind of how I first like got to know him, like my sophomore year of college. And then we kind of have just stayed in touch ever since.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. He's obviously done really well and he's fun. He's cool too. So the whole family is the beach families.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I'm feeling good. I mean, we're, what, 13-1 right now?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
that's that's not too bad um but also like you guys have made it interesting as a fan like we're just keeping everybody at the edge of their seat i know and i think that's what i appreciate about you guys the most and like you and patrick especially is like you guys just have that edge to you like that clutch factor and like a lot of people don't have that so when you get the ball with a minute 30 you need to go 80 yards and score like i'm feeling pretty good but like the ball in pat mahomes hands for sure we do our defense has been saving our ass a lot so
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
It was great. My mom was like begging me to take her. She's like, I got to go. Like everybody's talking about it. I'm like, okay, okay. Yeah.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. I literally live right downtown too, like right next to Lucas Oil. So I'm like, the night I didn't go, I'm like on my balcony trying to listen. But no, obviously it's just a great show and a lot of fun. And Uh, full Swifty turned my mom into a full Swifty now. So good time.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Yeah. Second night in a row. And that was my third show. I went early on when Taylor first went on tour. um in minnesota at u.s bank one of her early concerts and that was a lot of fun went with some of my college friends and we had a we had a good time together it's hard it's hard to not have a good time i don't know how you couldn't have a good time something like that this is so fun man
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
That is hard.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
And I can't use historic?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I would say like, I don't know, life-changing maybe?
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
I think that's all in a good way. Like, I mean, things just change really fast. Like, as you guys know, like that's just how the world works. And especially with social media, people see a lot of your life, but that's what makes it fun and why I've had so many cool opportunities too. So it's crazy.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117
Like looking back at a year ago today or around this time, like I was just beginning my senior year of college and obviously, you know, people knew who we were and people attended our games, but it's obviously not on the magnitude that it is now.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2209 - Elon’s Farewell and Trump’s Tariff War Dead?
There's no place for that in our game. There's no place for that in society. And, you know, certainly we want every person that comes into our arena, whether player, whether fan, to have a great experience. So I appreciate the league doing that. I appreciate, you know, the Fever organization has been at the forefront of that since, you know, really day one and what they're doing.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2209 - Elon’s Farewell and Trump’s Tariff War Dead?
So we'll, you know, hopefully the investigation, we'll leave that up to them to find anything and take the proper action.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: What's The Point Of The Shadow Show?
Your thoughts beyond that, though, because the part about this that was so interesting to me, having watched, you know, this building across the street is a military complex. It feels like a military facility. What...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: What's The Point Of The Shadow Show?
Pat Riley's Basketball Military Facility across the street, where if you were to walk in there, it would be a bunch of people walking around from science lab to science lab to get into better shape because they got the cult over there that builds whatever it is that they build that wins basketball games.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: What's The Point Of The Shadow Show?
To watch at the end of that game somebody who came through the video department and is now one of the five people who runs that multi-billion dollar organization. organization to watch in real time someone who learned with Stan Van Gundy and Pat Riley how to be a crazy person about winning to watch him sink into
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I'm a control freak who knows he controls only about 10% of what's happening once I give the basketball away. I'm a control freak. When I'm at maximum rage, what am I going to do? Time out, the power comes right to me. He was so enraged by everything that had happened there that
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dass er seinen maximalen Kontrollfreak an einem Zeitpunkt genommen hat, wo sie von der Seite schreien mussten, hey, du hast keine Zeit mehr. Du hast deinen Kopf verloren, weil du wieder Kontrolle wolltest. Und die Art und Weise, wie du es für 17 Jahre machst, ist es, wenn du auf dem Platz steigst und sagst, das Spiel ist jetzt mein. Alle kommen hierher.
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Und du hast es gemacht, im unmöglichen falschen Zeitpunkt. Ja.
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Can you guys get me the video, please? Because that was funny yesterday, watching that go viral, where evidently Alex Jones is sitting in the middle of just... Eine schreckliche Apokalypse seiner eigenen Tatsache, die alles, was in Amerika passiert ist, seitdem, dass diese Person durch das, was er gemacht hat, Dinge wie Schulstürme negieren konnte.
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Dass er in der Mitte seines, was früher sein Empire war, das dieses Nonsens, das in Amerika gerade passiert ist, geboren hat. Das ging viral, weil er die Auktionärs gesehen hat, die sich um seine Werkstätten wandern, die Töne auf das, was wert war, weil er so viel Geld verdient hat, um seine Verschwörungstheorie zu machen, die das Gehirn Amerikas gefriert hat.
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Das, was gestern viral ging, war, dass er im Mittelpunkt war, was ein Infowars-Empire war, die Auktionärs gesehen haben, die sich um die Töne auf das, was wert war, wandern. And you're telling me that The Onion has now purchased that facility and all things InfoWars?
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I think we're long past that point.
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I thought it was Sean Connery.
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Sie ist so ein besserer Bane als du. Ich weiß, ich habe nicht gesagt, dass ich gut bin. Wie darfst du vor ihrem Bane mit dem Bane? Das ist der Meister Bane.
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Bleib arbeiten. Schlechten Bane. Keiner von uns wusste, warum er schlechten Bane war. Ich meine...
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As if we couldn't tell who told you. As if we all couldn't point at the Pop-Tart and know who the bad pun came from.
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Wir sind immer noch auf der Suche nach dem Video. Ich bin hier, aber warte mal, das war Alex Jones. Warte mal, warte mal. Das ist alles, was ich habe. Ich weiß, ich weiß, aber bleib nicht von mir weg, denn ich möchte, dass du zwei Impressionen für mich schaffst. Denn es ist nicht nur Alex Jones, den ich dir perfektionieren möchte. Der eine, den ich dir perfektionieren möchte, ist die Internet.
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What does the internet sound like? Does it sound like a Russian Alex Jones?
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I was going to say that Amin is a classic critic, hater, second guesser, because he immediately gets information that is indisputably clever about the darkest of humor. The idea that the onion would be able to
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purchase with the sanctioning of the families because in the search of helping the families would purchase this joke of a thing that changed the way that the American news coverage happens because people were believing in conspiracies.
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The idea that it would happen in real life and that Amin would say you could have used that power to then turn Infowars into something else by working in the shadows and not telling people you were the onion, that's even funnier somehow.
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I was hoping that at some point today he would have some very serious commentary while dressed as a Pop-Tart.
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I can do that whenever you want, Dan. Yes, I know you can. I do know that you can. Do we want to talk at all about the Deshaun Elliott story?
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Dein Enthusiasmus ist lustig, weil du ein tiefes Passen-Spiel hast, dein Offensiv ist nicht mehr konstipiert.
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Die Stealers sind eigentlich... Die Leute haben sich gefragt, wie gut die Stealers für ein paar Jahre sind, aber wegen der Änderungen, die sie letztens gemacht haben, die einen Trainer inkludieren, der einen wirklich ballsen Quarterback-Change macht, denken die Leute, die Stealers sind mehr für echt, weil sie tiefe Ballmöglichkeiten und Pickens haben, als sie es schon waren. Und...
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I'm inclined to put down some of my doubt just because maybe Tomlin can get a little something out of Russell Wilson. But, Deshawn, this story though, you never see this story, correct? Where all of a sudden, all over the locker room in Dolphinland, reporters are spread out asking everybody, every single person in the facility, are you soft?
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Leute, die das für ein Leben tun, wandern herum, sprechen mit den Dolphinen, fragen sie, ob sie lecker sind. Und ich dachte, dass Javon Holland die beste Antwort hatte, was einfach so ist, es ist nur leckerer Geräusch, bis du Namen nennst. Geh hin und sag, dass Javon Holland lecker ist. Geh hin und nimm Namen, sonst bist du nur ein Typ, der aufmerksam wird.
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The part that I'm objecting to is... Besides that? Yes, beyond the Barry Jackson touching his nipples, is... Wer von uns ruft jemanden in diesem Sport Soft? Was machen wir da? Was machen wir da?
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Nein. Ein ganzes Team? Rufen Sie ein ganzes Team Soft, das Sie in diesem Sport nicht mehr haben? Nur die Defense. Wir können darüber sprechen, wie sie für Finesse gebaut werden. Wir können darüber sprechen, wie sie für Finesse gebaut werden. We can also talk about them being fast. I thought we were all of the understanding that when you go fast, you're going to give up size.
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You're going to give up physical. The way that they play football is not to out-tough the next guy. You guys really believe that out-toughing is often a thing in the NFL?
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Not out-physicaling where you have... No. Isn't that... Wie ein Synonym? Nein, du machst ihnen Synonymen. Ich nicht. Wenn du jemanden weich nennst, ist es nicht, weil sie zu weich sind, um dich mit ihrer Kraft zu überleben. Es ist, weil sie physisch nicht stark genug sind.
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Wenn jeder in der Liga von der Lions Offensive Line oder von der Tush Push, der Eagles Offensive Line, manhandelt, ist es, weil Lane Johnson stärker ist als jeder in der Liga. Nicht stärker, physisch stärker als jeder, der von ihm ist. Und so war Kelsey.
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Perhaps. I believe that cold weather people are tougher. I believe that.
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Rust Belt. That's what they want. Wow, alright. We might be liberal. Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Are cold weather people tougher? Yes. I don't think of my... Can I say this about Miamians? Do I think of Miamians as tough? We are not tough. I am not tough. And my father came down here particularly because he's not tough. In fact, my father said, why would I ever want to die a hero?
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I'd rather live as a coward.
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Let's examine this for a second, because Kendall is the hood, according to Alex Rodriguez. He did grow up in the hood with me. And Kendall. We both grew up in the hood. I want to talk about this for a second, because the examination of a sports entity and us thinking... Those people seem mentally not tough. Those people who are doing that thing for a living that is pretty difficult.
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find it pretty consistently exasperating that any of us would do that but when a person who is lived in that world comes out of the locker room and gives voice to it even if people don't know who this person is all of a sudden it becomes oh this is a way to talk about the dolphins this is interesting let's run through the locker room rubbing our nipples and ask every single dolphin hey you guys aren't tough right this guy said you guys aren't tough
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When they're halfway through a season that breaks all of those bodies. Like all of them are limping through that facility and that's the question they're being asked midweek because we need the context.
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That's right. His brain, that's right. The guy with the brain problem in the middle of that is saying, yep, I'm in the middle of this and I'm giving my brain to the cause and you think I'm not tough.
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Sein Team macht das gleiche. Lass uns den Sound für den Publikum spielen, damit wir das in seinen eigenen Worten hören können.
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I have told this story a couple of times and I will tell it again just because we're all in agreement, right, that Ricky Williams as a football player was pretty tough, yes? Yeah. Manche würden sagen, dass er mental schwer war. Er konnte es nicht. Er konnte es nicht. Er konnte es nicht. With Ed Reed and Ray Lewis in the room, I feel like a rabbit among wolves.
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Ich bin ein bisschen verwirrt, weil ich denke, dass Ricky Williams, obwohl wir alle sagen, dass es schwierig ist, er zu sagen, dass es schwierig ist, Agreed, but that's a team locker room right there. Yes, that's what happens.
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Also erzähl mir, wer wir in der NFL sehen können, weil ihr macht ein anderes, was ich will. What's that? I'm not looking at the Philadelphia Eagles when they're physically mauling everybody on both sides of the front of the ball. I'm not looking at that and saying they're tougher than everybody.
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Ich schaue es mir an und sage, dass sie ein paar physische Geschenke haben, die zusammenarbeiten, die physisch stärker sind als alle anderen. Ich denke, es gibt eine Schleimhaut auf die Leute, die diese Positionen spielen. Sie sagen von defensiven Leihmannen, zum Beispiel. Sie sagen von offensiven Leihmannen, sie sind die Leute, die deinen Refrigerator zusammenbringen können.
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Die defensiven Leihmannen sind diejenigen, die sie mit ihren Zähnen zerstören. Sie sagen das? Jeder da ist schwer. Das, was in diesem Sport gesagt wird, in Bezug auf die Unterschiede zwischen den zwei Positionen, ist, dass einer eine Mentalität hat, die Dinge entfernt, der andere eine Mentalität hat, die Dinge zusammenbaut.
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Und das ist eine Sache, die sie sagen. Frigidaire. Die offensiven Leihmänner bauen Refrigerate. Du und ich sollten das wissen. Wir lieben Fridges.
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Man from heaven is what it is. Man. I'm going to out-tough you. It's not man out front.
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I would argue that nobody listening to this would argue that the Chiefs won the Super Bowl for the reasons that had to do with toughness.
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Ja, Chris Jones. Schwierig. Ja, wirklich. Physisch stark. Unglaublich stark.
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They were mentally tougher on that blocked field goal last weekend.
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We give you examples of guys that are tough. Thank you. You gave me examples of guys in football who are tough. Yeah, Pacheco. How did you possibly come up with examples in football of guys who are tough?
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Okay, agreed to disagree. I think that makes you tougher. No, what I am saying is, let's go ahead and do it. Let's do this right now. Let's go through the recent champions and you give me the champions that you think won because they were tougher.
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Ich weiß nicht, wie du die Distinktion stärker machst, wenn ich sage, das ist die beste offensivste Linie, die ich je gesehen habe.
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DraftKings, the crown is yours. Executive producer Chris Cody, what would you start with today? Have you given consideration to the idea that you're running a show today that is made and built for America? You don't know what the Shadow Show is, even though you're supposed to be governing that and everyone seems to be confused about what it is that I want from that.
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Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
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How would you start the show today? Would you start the show today with Deshaun Elliott calling the dolphins soft?
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I'd like to go on one of them too, but right now they're just golf outings for Mike and Stugatz to spend a lovely time in Tahoe. I think we'd all like to go on those. Chris, when you're saying she is all of us, are you simply saying that in that instance...
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Because in that instant, I feel like all of us would have done something similar, which is, you are now basking in the shame of everyone's watching you and you are an embarrassing failure at what you've done. You don't embrace that. You don't apologize. You just give me another shot so I can correct this. Give me another shot.
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I'm going to stare down at the tee and I'm going to just line it up again because I'm so ashamed. All of you are watching and I just did something terrible in front of you.
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All right, let's analyze this for a second now, because if we're doing midsection, he's technically right, because midsection is under the nipples to the knees. Really? But why is he hedging?
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I didn't. I didn't want it. No.
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Look, that's where it hit me. I didn't want it. It's a strike zone. Midsection. The problem with what you did is you were so afraid in today's America of saying the wrong thing. And I think that's the way we should be going. I think you should just run from all the Rogan boys. Just run screaming and scared because you can't say balls anymore.
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Because that's how down the middle Chris becomes a lefty.
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That's right. But now Joe Rogans people are throwing rocks at us and Chris has to run scared and makes it the midsection and makes it so geographically confusing that now no one knows where he was almost hit when the funniest place that he could have been hit is where he was hit. Hoo-ha. Hoo-ha is a good one.
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Wenn ich Midsection denke, weil ich hier literal bin und Strike Zone mache, wenn ich Midsection mache, ist es nichts unter den Hüften. Aber technisch, wenn wir den Körper in Drittel machen, muss die Midsection von Knie bis Nippel gehen. Although, you guys saw what Giannis did last night to celebrate his three-point shot. Did you see this?
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Okay, Sam Cassell did once upon a time the testicle dance. Giannis is a child and he was more overt and so he just did a long swinging penis by putting his elbow at his waistline like he's got a giant penis.
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Right. I think it meant cock.
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Ist das, was du gesagt hast?
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I'm pretty sure that's what he said. Joe Rogan heard it. The video that I want to keep showing people is not just the Sam Cassell dance, but I also want to find the Eddie House dance, because the Eddie House dance is where the balls dance went to die. But I feel like Giannis crossed the line, and it's not because I'm being sensitive. There's a lack of subtlety in this.
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We are not liberal, Joe Rogan. Because we didn't lead with aliens. We led with Caitlin Clarke. Who's an alien? The new Netflix documentary? Is that what you're talking about?
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And so we're not going to do Top Cop Matt Gaetz resigning from Congress and evidently to avoid Ethics Committee report that will make Top Cop or would have made Top Cop the guy who was allegedly... Well, I was saying... Before of Caitlin Clark, when it is that Chris was talking about just shame and embarrassment.
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I told Amin before the show that I missed him yesterday because the thing that happened at the end of the Miami Heat Pistons game that triggered a lot of arguing around here. And I don't think that Billy is wrong when he says people should have perspective. Wenn du ein NBA-Regular-Saison-Game 10 verlierst, sollte es dich nicht für den Rest deines Lebens verletzen.
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Und der Grund, warum ich gestern einen Meme verpasst habe, ist, weil ich nur sicher bin, dass er mit mir aufhört, nachdem er in der Furnace-Fazilität gelebt hat, die kompetitive Basketball ist. Es wird sehr schwer sein, einen Fehler zu finden, den jeder von uns in diesem Sport gesehen hat. So traurig, schockierend und schrecklich wie dieser. Wo du der Buzzer-Bieter-Failur bist.
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Wo der Trainer den Buzzer-Bieter-Failur macht, der einfach das Spiel beendet. Weil du in deinem eigenen Scham und Scheiß im Mittelpunkt stehst. Und Spoh, ich habe ihn noch nie gesehen, als hätte er mehr Selbstvertrauen, sich innerhalb von sich zu verringern, als hätte er seine Beine zwischen seinen Beinen zu den Seiten, weil er wusste, was er gemacht hat.
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Ich meine, er wusste, dass er die Spielzeit kostet, bevor jemand anderes wusste, dass er die Spielzeit kostet.
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Obviously there's no place in this league for that. I think the WNBA and our team and our organization have done a great job supporting me. I've had communication from everyone, from so many people across this league and being able to support me. Going through this whole process, obviously it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone and I think they've done a great job supporting us in this.
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Yeah, obviously it's tough, but I think I have a great support system. I'm loved by so many people. And obviously in the moment it is, it's hard to hear, but my support system is great. God has protected me.
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Yeah, obviously, like I said, they understand that this is, this is the priority. Obviously there's no place for this. And they, they preach, I think two days before they put out no hate, no speech. And obviously the women in this league, they know, they know that and know there's no space for that.