Bryan Curtis
Appearances
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And wearing all the rings, which he never, it's the kind of thing he just never used to do. Just as if to remind the NFL, I won all these rings and you didn't hire me again. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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interesting to watch that because Nick Saban's kind of done the same thing in the college level and there's another guy who you're like why would he care about this but you know what you go on those podcasts you go on the TV shows go on the Manning cast everybody butters you up you know how many times did Bill Belichick get buttered up by media people when he was at the Pats last he didn't want to never dealt with them and then he had this
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. It's like the ESPN car wash, except it's, you know, not interviewing you. It's just telling you how great you are all the time. Really strange. I, it was the whole thing.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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We clogged the toilet so much. The toilet wasn't fixable. We just had to throw it away. We had to put it on the curb.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Totally. Even during Super Bowl week, that would have been huge for a day. Right. It would have distracted us all. What's your favorite news dump ever? I think that might have been mine. It's a really good one. You're going to have to give me a minute on that one, but that's a good one. Answer that on PressBox on Thursday. Do your top five news dumps on the PressBox pod.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I remember last year when you had all the amazing political stories and American stories. There was this thing on Twitter. It's like, if you have anything, now's the time. Send the press release. Just print it out. No one will notice.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I feel like quoting that notorious Darren Revell tweet. This is terrible for Dallas, but this is tremendous content because you recognize the pain. And I have never seen Dallas people this emotionally gutted. So even like Cowboys Super Bowl losses, nothing. Well, it's OK. So maybe not gutted, but just angry. Like there have been a lot of angry Jerry moments of the last 30 years.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I was in middle school when they fired Tom Landry. I was in high school when Jimmy Johnson got axed by Jerry. I remember those were just crazy citywide moments of like, what the hell just happened? But I've never seen the anger. like I've seen over the last week and change just pissed off. I mean like visiting even with Dallas sports radio guys.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And by the way, Monday was one of the last Monday, one of the all time sports radio days in Dallas history and probably American history when they were coming back and doing their shows.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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First time you were getting your first time to talk about it. And I was like, you know, even going up to them, wow, what a day, huh? And they just look like gutted. I mean, you know, because everything changes, right? You know, this this guy you loved, this person you were close to, the fact that it was done by Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont will probably get into here in a second.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And the way it was done and for what they got. I mean, every piece of it is just absolutely infuriating and gutting.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, did you see the one guy, right? So they're doing Mavs karaoke. Yeah. And they come in real close, like, close up on him. And he says, fire Nico. And then the camera goes, whoop!
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Are they going to escort the sports writers out of press row who wrote the same thing? I mean, why, why is that not a valid opinion?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, how about Jason Kidd? No postgame presser last night. Wasn't that great?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, I mean, that was also kind of a news dump during the Super Bowl, too. Oh, wait. AD is actually hurt. I mean... The whole thing, I mean, you say like he didn't anticipate it, but I feel like he did to some extent because I feel like the secrecy was driven by Palenka, as you say. So there were no other offers, no other suitors.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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But I think Harrison kept it quiet, too, because he didn't want to face the backlash. He knew it would get crushed. So in the way like you were kind of anticipating of it, maybe not anticipating how big it would be. Right. Well, this has.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That's why I couldn't get out. Totally. They tried to square the circle at that Nico press conference, which was also one of the great moments in this whole thing where he said, J-Kid didn't know, but we were aligned on the vision.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And then Shaq was the guy who was always in shape.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Somebody whose nickname is street clothes.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It was. And you know me, I'm a student of the now they tell a story. And just as soon as this trade came down, we were all on the clock, right? You guys even said it on the emergency podcast that night.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Here we go. But it never really came out because there's really not a reason for this, right? There's not a great answer. There's always an answer with these things, with these weird stories. What happened? What are the motives here? And the answer is, Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Well, I think we had a little bit of a Chiefs take crisis with the Super Bowl before the game. We did. Did you see all the people trying to make the Chiefs into villains like the Pats, like the 90s Yankees? Yeah. And they're not villains. They're just not. They're not hated on that scale yet. I don't believe. And people try to, you know, oh, we're tired of them. We're pissed off at Taylor Swift.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Thank you. Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Thank you. Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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The refs are in their pocket. And they were just trying to get us there that we all hated the Chiefs and we're rooting against them. But I don't actually believe that was the case. I think we might be a little tired of them being good. We might have been kind of annoyed at the way they won games this year, but I don't think they're hated at all.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Duke was at the top of the scale. The Yankees had the thing where they were outspending everybody and kind of everybody thought they were ruining baseball. So I think that was mixed in there.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Oh, my God. I'll tell you, the words Brian Schottenheimer have not been uttered once on Dallas Sports Radio.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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There we go.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I asked you to just go nuts with this. Yeah. So opening scene of our limited series, it's got to be this coffee shop meeting between Nico and Rob Palenka. On January 7th, immortalized by a photo from some random weirdo in Dallas. And did you hear the guy taking the photo was a Lakers fan? So he recognizes Palenka, but he doesn't recognize Nico. Oh, which is a great detail. So he snaps a photo.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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We see Bill camera push in. He's texting a friend and he goes, I just found Rob Palenka having coffee with some guy, which really opening credits. Boom. Let's go. Yeah. Theme song. Hard cut. Here we go. Ryan Murphy's Luca trade. And the only only drawback there is do we want Palenka to walk away from the coffee meeting and pick up the phone and call somebody and be like, you'll never believe this.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Right. You'll never believe what I just heard. We got this going on. Mark Cuban flashback.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yelling at the refs, buying the team, selling the team. Oh, yeah. Kobe flashback. So we can see Palenka and Nico meeting probably at Lakers games. Right. Talking to each other.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. Well, yeah. This is a limited series, right? We got to have not everything has flashbacks these days. Right. I was playing with some casting here too. You got to help me with this. I mean, I'm just so sorry we lost Penny Marshall because Miriam Adelson, I mean, that would have been the ultimate casting.
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Maybe Penny Marshall's not, maybe it's not dead yet. CGI Penny Marshall. Do we want Josh Gad for Patrick Dumont? I kind of like that a little bit.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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He could be Palenka too. That's because what if he's reading The Alchemist's Wife? No, Rob Lowe has to be Polanco. What are you talking about? OK, but they have to be quoting, you know, from things and doing. Yeah, either one of those guys I could see, actually. Who else could be Cuban? I had J.K. Simmons. Ben Affleck?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And then they had a hateable coach, which is another thing the Chiefs lacked. Like, people don't hate Andy Reid. No. They just don't. Bill Belichick was hateable, probably still is hateable in his own way, even as he's tried to rehabilitate his image all year. But I think with the Chiefs, people are just like, yeah, okay.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I had J.K. Simmons with a wig. Oh, that's great. I was like, he's too old, but he's actually only four years older than Cuban. No, that's great. I like that the most. Their faces look different, but we can work on that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Does anybody play Danny Ainge getting wind of this deal like with 30 minutes to go? No, he plays himself. Okay, Danny. We're going to cast Danny. Dirk was a tough one for me. Dirk plays himself. Okay, Luca?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, somebody has to be completely ridiculous.
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Yeah. Do we need like a De Niro style weight gain where we send them to Italy to eat pasta for like three months so they can be Luca? Not too expensive in the budget.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Those guys. You're talking about Ben and Skin.
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Oh my God. Those are great roles. I would have so many ideas for Maverick Sports Radio. I mean, there'd be so many. This would be unbelievable.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. And Skip plays himself too. Don't forget that because he would have some big takes on this.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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He absolutely wants to play himself.
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I forced you to do it. And I've never been more thankful.
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I think so. But I, like you, talk myself into the Chiefs are going to win it. It's going to be a close game. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Well, I was just saying like by once the villain thing kind of didn't work out that you heard this amazing take on ESPN and elsewhere. People said, don't be tired of the Chiefs.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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appreciate greatness when it's in front of you yeah and i was like what a counterintuitive take you should appreciate a great football team whoa whoa good tag go settle down guys what was it like as a tv viewer for the brady mahomes experience brady announcing the game where mahomes's goat resume got knocked backwards by about four years So it was a little bit weird, right?
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First of all, Brady actually got to go to the meetings this week. And apparently I was told there was a scene in one of the meetings where he and Mahomes were just sitting off by themselves talking. Oh. And people in the meeting, Fox producer was like, look at that. I mean, that's kind of awesome. These two dudes just talking football.
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It was just one of those moments where you're like, whoa, goat plus goat. Well, almost goat talking to each other about football. But then it gets to the game and Mahomes just sucks. At the beginning of the game. He was terrible. You nailed this on Sunday night. So Brady, I thought... never got to talk about Mahomes' greatness in an interesting way.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And at the same time, he kind of made a mistake because he didn't really kill Mahomes. He was talking about how good the Eagles' defense was.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I think so. But you know what? One thing you could tell with Brady this year and this is kind of one of the most fascinating subplots of Brady announcer experiment, was you could tell what quarterbacks he liked and what quarterbacks he didn't and what quarterbacks he thought didn't measure up. Jalen Hurts, by the way, was in the second category.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Every Jalen Hurts game, he would say, Jalen Hurts is better when he gets the ball out of his hands quickly.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Brady would be exasperated. Which is a nice way of saying he's pretty limited, right? He can do certain things, but he can't do other things. What happens during the Super Bowl? Jalen Hurts kind of balls out. He plays better than Patrick Mahomes. So you could feel Brady really processing that in real time. And he sort of got, well, he has a great instinct on when to leave the pocket.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Cause he was beating all those rushes and blitzes right by running. And he kind of got himself there and he gave Hertz his due. I don't want to say he didn't do that, but that was just funny to hear in real time.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I totally agree. I watched the late SportsCenter on Sunday night after I was, I think, right before I listened to you. And at that moment, I was kind of like, am I done? With the Super Bowl? Is this it? Yeah. Yeah. Like we had a pod to do the next day, but I was like, have I consumed everything I'm going to consume about the Eagles beating the Chiefs? And the answer is almost yes. I think I had.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Because, I mean, here's the other part of that. You just consume so much now. I mean, you had to wait till Thursday with that SI thing to get all the details. And, you know, what was Vic Fangio like in the locker room afterwards? I mean, she wrote that, you know, for us right away. Right. So in a way, it was just all kind of there for us. So we don't really need to wait.
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angle that nobody's thought of you kind of know what all the angles are going to be by you know 10 p.m on sunday night pt the one exception was remember that year peter king went and hung out with tom brady and giselle and was it montana up in the cabin like a week later right it feels so old school now but like yeah we're with brady and he's reflecting on the game and giving me like an hour that was that that even that i don't think he would do anymore
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Totally, because what play are we talking about in the Super Bowl? nothing from the second half. Maybe that Mahomes pick six, which effectively ended the game in retrospect. By the way, you mentioned the Mahomes takes. I want to go there with you because it feels like Mahomes will work himself into a nobody believes in me
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news cycle because just enough doubt even if it's bullshit just enough doubt and also bill jalen hurts think about this what were people talking about sunday night monday morning the eagles defense this was a win for the eagles defense so jalen hurts both win the super bowl mvp and pull off the unprecedented double play of being a nobody believed in me guy has that ever happened before
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Kurtz was awesome in that game. He was so good. He was great.
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Wait, I thought you were going to say he was secretly injured. When you said LeBron, I thought I had a secret injury.
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minority stake and he's allegedly hiring the coach and he's involved in their draft like is there a chance just this just this is it this is a one and done I don't think so I don't think I don't think he sees it like that I mean that's for me poking around he's I think he's he's into this I mean first of all the NFL doesn't care about the Vegas thing you know, other than the meetings.
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And by the way, let's see where we are in year two with the meetings. Because I'm not convinced that wouldn't change in year two. I think there's potential for that to be switched up by Goodell and everything after they've gone through that one year of this with him limited. Yeah. If you're him, you're getting $37.5 million. Yeah.
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to work for six months work hard for six months but work for six months the NFL has said we don't care if you're a minority owner of the Raiders it doesn't matter I got to ask him on Super Bowl week what his role with the Raiders was and he didn't tell me and he didn't provide any detail about that so I was like okay so he's not going to tell us at least for now about what he's doing with the Raiders doesn't have to come clean about it I mean seems like a pretty good deal to me I have been told pretty explicitly
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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What's the mood in Dallas right now? Did you see that sad Mark Cuban interview? Yeah. He finally broke his silence and he said, part of the reason I wanted to sell the team is because I didn't want my kids to make a move like trading away Luca in his prime and then they would get roasted on social media.
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Would you agree, Curtis? I would. And my podcast pal in Dallas, Jake Kemp, brought up another one, which is what happened to Mark Cuban running basketball operations with the Mavericks? Well, that we knew that was bullshit, though.
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And so it was not in any contract that he signed when he sold his share of the Mavericks for three point five billion. This was just purely a hey, you can stay in on basketball thing. And Mark Cuban was cool with that. Mark Cuban sold that to the public. These guys told me this, but it's not in this incredibly complicated contract I just signed to sell the team?
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It's so funny because not only do we have Stephen A reluctantly addressing it on First Take and then on his podcast also, also reluctant. Because he had more to say. The two hour show wasn't enough. My other favorite detail was that he mentioned he was sitting with Ari Emanuel and Larry David. Yes.
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Not germane to the LeBron confrontation, but just wanted to let everybody know that that's who we're sitting with there.
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Yeah. He also said, you know, if LeBron called me, I would take the call. Right. So I would not send the most famous basketball player in the world to voicemail repeatedly. Right. Did clear that up. It's good to hear in the in the thing I did. By the way, we could talk about there's so many things to talk about.
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But the whole Stephen A thing that really that got me was he said, you know, why didn't LeBron or why didn't Clutch call me?
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hash this out and i'm you know in certain ways we can talk about the brawny part of this because i think i'm sympathetic to a lot of what steven a had said about brawny and the idea that brought somehow brawny is talking about brawny is talking about your family and crossing this red line like i i don't totally buy that but the whole idea is like wait if we say something on a podcast or he says something on television does that mean the person who's aggrieved can only respond to us privately
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Right. So we say it publicly, but then they need to keep all their business behind closed doors. Like, wait, if you had a problem, why didn't you call me? Well, you said it on TV, whatever I'm upset about. Right. Like their media figures, too, in a way, shouldn't they? I don't know. Anyway, that also tripped me up a little bit.
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That was different.
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So there's not a, like, you know, Library of Congress transcript of everything Stephen A said about Bronny, which... I wouldn't have had time to read even if there was. But I think this all starts in January. There's that game against the Sixers. And Stephen A had a couple of hits after that about Bronny. But really what he said was LeBron is putting his son in a bad situation.
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He's shadow GMing his son to the Lakers. He has a tweet. What was that now? Two years ago, like Bronny's better than guys I'm watching on League Pass. He sets him up as being really, really good. And then he put him in a bad situation. And that as his dad and as one of the greatest basketball players of all time, you should know that this isn't a great place for him to be in right now.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It's just not. That was the point. I mean, again, and again, it's Stephen A. So it has, you know, I'm not doing it justice, probably. And if LeBron's watching that, I'm sure he can find some phrase or something to latch on to. But that was the point. And that's a discussion you guys have had 1,000 times about LeBron James and the Lakers.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. You know, when you said we haven't seen this on the court, we have seen this in the locker room a bunch of times, including, by the way, with Joel Embiid earlier this year. This is a pretty standard locker room media member thing. you know, athlete confrontation. I don't like what you said about me. I don't like what you wrote about me. But the difference is what you point to.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Stephen A. had almost literally just agreed to a $100 million a year contract. He's the face of that. $100 million total contract. $100 million a year would be a lot. Excuse me. Yes, that's a lot. But he's the face of the network. And as you say, it's a face of ESPN's approach.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And with ESPN, I think there's an interesting question of whether they're doing more of this kind of stuff or whether the other stuff at ESPN has just been stripped away to such a degree. This becomes a bigger part of ESPN. You see what I mean? Like when you get rid of Zach Lowe, when you chop off all these parts of ESPN, Stephen A is just going to be a larger part of the network.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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He's just going to seem bigger, whether he actually is, you know, occupying more hours of airtime or not.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, and it ends with Kenan Thompson wearing a beard on Weekend Update. Doing a Perkins impersonation. Yeah, we got a Trump parody and we got a Perk parody. Think about that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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100%.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I completely agree about the postgame thing. And that's why the late SportsCenter with SVP is often better because he's got the guy on who just won the game. He's doing the breakdown of the game, whether it's football or basketball. I felt some of the angst from the TNT thing is about moving to ESPN, too. I mean, that was clearly part of it, right? Hey, we got this great show over here.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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We're moving over there. But they're really not.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It felt to me like going from place A to place B was part of the subtext of that. You know, we created this. We won. Right. For 20 years, we won the studio show war over ESPN. Now they're paying us to come over there. Some of us got new contracts, which we heard a ton about the last year and change to go over there. But it also felt like that was a little bit of what Barkley was saying.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Those bozos over there, whatever word he used. And now we're going over there. That was interesting to me.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, and it's not apples to apples. Because if Charles Barkley was hosting a show every weekday morning, the A block would not be Thunder and Cats. Exactly. The show would not lead with it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I think every decision, or just about every decision they've made over the last couple of years, goes to two things. Get ready for the first ever ESPN Super Bowl in two years. That's Joe and Troy, that's SVP to Monday Night Countdown, that's changing the producer of Monday Night Football, etc., Number two, get ready for the launch of Flagship this fall, their streaming service.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And when you think about it like that, you're like, why was Around the Horn canceled? Oh, not bucket number one, not bucket number two. Why is Zach Lowe no longer there when he's the best basketball writer on the planet? Oh, not number one, not number two. And to me, it's so focused on those two things, especially the second thing, especially Flagship, that if you just read it like that,
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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the decisions, whether we agree with them or not, start to all make sense to me.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Do you think the flagship thing is going to work? That's a question. But that to me is that's their existential question. Like we have to get this thing to work. We're moving out of cable world. We're moving into streaming world. This thing has to work. Every decision, right? Why do we pay so much for the college football playoff again? Why do we buy the SEC? Why do we do?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That's all flagship stuff. And when you get left out of that conversation, if you're ESPN Radio, let's say, right, mentioned around the horn, if you're not in that directly, is there a place anymore? Are they that worried about you? And I think the answer is obviously no.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I think it's mostly that though. I think they do like stars. And since that's Manning stuff, maybe that gets grandfathered in to the plan. Right. Cause if you're, if you're a star, then you get to do different things. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Well, I'm with Ryan. Like the key is to also, will it just be able to roll into the night? Cause that's the magic of the show. If it, if it doesn't roll into the night, it's not inside the NBA. Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And you think reinvent it, like making it longer, making it different, making it quicker reacts to something?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Well, that's the thing is I think when we talk about ESPN as a streaming service rather than a cable channel, just the entire calculus is different because you're no longer thinking about, hey, we got to get from 5 to 5.30, then we got to have another ride home show from 5.30 to 6. Like that thinking isn't the same, right? If you were watching television at 5 or 5.30 in the afternoon,
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And you're choosing through a bunch of streaming options. You can watch 10,000 movies. You can watch White Lotus. You can watch whatever the hell you want. So my prediction would be, look, if they get Tony Mike to do an hour, I'm sure they'd love that because that shows Grandfather Dan. That shows a hit on its own rights.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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But what I think they're going to do with a whole daytime lineup is just other than the things we talked about. Let's just go inexpensive. Let's get through the day because our big wins in streaming will be games and stuff attached to games. And that's it. That's that's the business. I just think that's what it is. And I think the whole daytime part of ESPN gets devalued.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It wouldn't be the first time it's happened in the history of cable. That's when I was a kid. That was all cables like, oh, press your luck reruns on for the next four hours. Right. I mean, and I think, Ryan, I think you're exactly right. And I think it's but it's all of television. Right. We're just so used to this thing of like, oh, it's midmorning. That means there's game shows.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And then there's these, you know, soap operas are going to start all these things. And I just think when the future is streaming, you know, it's not happy if it's our friends that are affected by it or people we like. But it's like they just don't. It's just not that important to them anymore. It's so clear. I mean, we know this, right? They're not like, hey, we're losing a daytime hit show.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Let's come up with another one. Let's get Ride Home Industries to come up with another one to replace. They're just not thinking that way anymore.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I think that's still the magic of TV is when you can just go live with stuff like that. I mean, I'm the same way.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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house and i just would have like moved rooms because i just wanted to hear the show so bad and i do wonder like that that sensation has to be gone these days right curtis there's no i think there's no show like that anymore no i mean i do i do think the luke is such an extreme example but that night i mean first of all when i saw that you guys were taping i was like here we go i'm ready i'm excited about that but then when i saw that that wind horse had gotten on espn and they like kind of bro caught him onto the network onto the air and got him in a suit
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like someone had just died, you know, like it was like, this is big, you know, Brian's awake. Brian's in a suit. Brian's ready to go. Like that was like, as a viewer, I'm like, this is exciting. You know, this makes me feel like, Holy shit. Something amazing has just happened.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. That's that old school TV authority too. I think like I'm paying attention to you. Yeah. You know, you know stuff and you're also just have a kind of presence on the air, you know, which when, when horse comes, I think from being in print a little bit and seeming like kind of a reluctant second TV guy, the go bear move for him was like all time.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That was almost my, you know, wind horse Luca trade moment. I almost had to go live. Do I have a suit?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Priscilla, have you done the combine?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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I'm a guy who primarily is... venerated, I don't know if properly or maybe venerated at all in Boston newspapers right now. I mean, I feel he is lost. I feel he's the guy that, you know, gets the globe column.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It gets a couple of things like, yeah, right. I mean, I'm just trying to think of where he lands. in culture pre-documentary. Not that many places.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. Well, he was killing the players on the court and he was killing Steve Snapper Jones in the seat next to him at the same time.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, it's audio books. Audiobooks. Oh, smart. A little car sickness, you know, so audiobook is kind of nice.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Can I stick a Bill Walton memory in here too? Please, do it now. All right, so Steve Snapper Jones is talking about Shaq's foul shooting. Pretty sure this is during the finals, maybe the conference finals. Shaq goes up to the line, makes one. And Walton, just in the broadcast, goes, I believe that's called face.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And then I'm pretty sure, if I'm remembering this right, Shaq makes another free throw. He actually goes two for two. He goes, I believe that's also called face. Just right in the middle of the broadcast. Huge NBA game. He was just too weird, ultimately. I think Pac-12 was probably the right landing spot. People misremembered that later. They were like, he was amazing wearing an Uncle Sam suit.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, that wasn't great during the NBA Finals.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Will we ever have a great game broadcaster again, Curtis? Have we, how many have we had yet? You know, nationally, I mean, you and I always have this conversations like who's the John Madden, the NBA, and you can pick guys, you know, you can pick a Hubie, you can pick Van Gundy had a good run, but it was just like, there wasn't that guy. Ever really.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And it's funny if it were the NFL, somebody the other day was like, should they add Tom Brady to the Fox studios? Like they're not Tom Brady in the studio. So you're doing games. This is the thing you do. We need you to do the games. And I don't know if it's just the thankless job because you don't get as much time to talk as an NFL announcer or what, but. Yeah, it's funny.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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What do you think, Rosillo?
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Because any coach that gets into broadcasting is getting in there to get his next coaching job. So it's got to be like a Madden type where like, I'm out. This is it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah. And to me, that's a play by play announcers thing too. Noticing that, that you're talking about going 18. That's a, that's a thing. I think that a Breen, uh, an iron Eagle, a Tariko, when he starts doing it full time next year, we'll be all over. You know, that's the thing they, they can, I mean, basketball to me is just such a play by play announcer sport.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Like it's their, it's their game, you know, much more than a football game is. And the really good ones will just be all over little things like that. They know.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Oh, my God. We got an NBA four pack coming up tomorrow. What does that mean? Well, we got Stephen A., of course. Yeah. We got Draymond Carl Anthony Towns, which we didn't even really get into.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That made me so happy. So what's the fourth part of the fourth part? Uh, wait, Steven, Raymond Barkley. That's four.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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It's horrible. He was already licking his lips on Twitter today. I mean, he's like, oh yeah, here we go. Cowboys waited too long again.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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There's one way.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And even then it seems like it's okay. But they have to be able just not to play at all, which is what those guys were both into.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Which isn't their fault.