Brigham Buhler
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, we could go through all the statistics, and I know that Casey and Callie will when they're on here, so I don't wanna steal their thunder, but it's staggering. I mean, close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million people are dying a year of chronic disease. We talk a lot about war.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Back to the show. And that's what people do with everything, though. They want to think that it's the most eye-opening thing having got behind the scenes and met you and then met Cam and met Aaron Rodgers and met all the... Every person that you have introduced me to works their ass off. The level of dedication and commitment... And their schedules are crazy. And the pressure is crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And the stress is crazy. And they have kids and families. And they find a way. Cam's up at, what, 3 in the morning to go run 30 miles? He doesn't have to do that anymore because he doesn't have a regular job anymore.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It took forever. It's just inspiring to see because you can sit on the outside and think, oh, that guy who's on top of the mountain, he's lucky. They got lucky. What you don't realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy to get a girl to get to the top of the mountain.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Absolutely. And this is what I've seen before owning a compounding pharmacy. When I went on Jillian Michaels podcast, she was she is very opinionated and passionate about this. And it took me 10 minutes to explain to her that compounding pharmacies aren't bad guys. And because she had only heard. the corporate media narrative of compounding pharmacies are dangerous.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's motivating. Like Phillip Rowe, I know we've become really good friends. Philly Fresh from UFC. Love that dude. Dude. Working as a UPS guy, raising two kids, training MMA in his spare time, and trying to get all his work in, makes it into the UFC.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The reason I'm saying this is there is hope, people. If those guys can do it, we can do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What you see is people, momentum creates momentum. And even individuals I know that have taken Ozempic. A lot of those people are – they just needed wins on the board and they needed to create momentum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And these really obese individuals, when they start seeing there's hope and the weight starts coming off, as crazy as it is, the diet, the lifestyle, the nutrition, all that starts to fall in line more and more. And then they get a win on the board and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
People are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages and they're just willy nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace. And I had to methodically walk her through compounding pharmacies fall under the FDA's jurisdiction. My pharmacy's been inspected three times in 18 months. Every single ingredient we buy is an FDA-approved ingredient.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I can tell you, I mean, running businesses, of course, everyone has stress and anxiety. If I didn't do an ice bath or go do Muay Thai... For if I take a week off, my anxiety is terrible. Oh, yeah, I would have almost crippling anxiety, but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the sauna and going through that method in that process.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You don't get that in the day. And you feel so much better. After it's over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. Just even conquering going there. Like there's so many days I'm driving and I go, why the fuck am I doing this? Why don't I just go to Starbucks, get one of those frappuccinos again, go back to my old ways. Life was fun being fat. It was easy. This is not, I don't want to go get the shit beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But every time you leave, even no matter what, I'm like, oh, thank God I did that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That one's one I still to this day, I do it. I hate it every time. I hate it every time. I still have not. There's never a day where I'm like, this is going to be easy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Human beings are subject to that. It's a nailing it. This is, this is my point with the AI. I want to gamify it and I want healthcare to be fun. Yes. I want people to know that they're challenging their friends. We're rising together. Joe, you're a pussy. You only worked out 30 minutes today. Your deck says that this, my all overall mortality risk is improving.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yours isn't like, how do we make it fun? And you can choose what to share. Kind of like what whoop does.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I watch his MyZone, and I watch what Tim does every day, and I'm like, if I can just get close to what Tim did, I will feel great about myself. So I try to beat his workouts, or Juan from On It Gym has his on there, too, and I'll just try and beat those guys' workouts on those days.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Every single compound we compound, we send off to an independent third-party lab to verify, okay? And I say all this just to lay the groundwork. We've treated over a million patient lives at our pharmacy, over a million patient lives nationwide, and
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, how many... I think with addicts, they have them... One is finding religion and a higher calling and giving up to a higher power. But the other thing I've seen is... Candidly a lot of times they trade addiction. Yeah, they get really big into CrossFit or jiu-jitsu.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When I owned a toxicology – I was in the toxicology lab and the non-abusive stuff after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that. One of the things I did was hire an expert, Dr. Bill Massey, and he came in and he sat on Obama's opioid abuse campaign committee and was – He was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What they do in that environment is the media will list any recall, any mistake a compounding pharmacy makes, but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection and has to give them two months notice because they're coming into a foreign country and they've got to get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did for Obama with rhesus monkeys, where they gave one set of rhesus monkeys basically a cage with metal and no warmth, no interaction with other monkeys. They got water and food, but at erratic times, there was no consistency in that monkey's life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Then they took another subset of rhesus monkeys where they gave them warmth, shelter, let them stay with their family for the right amount of time until they reached maturity. And what they found is when they introduced drug, heroin and cocaine to these monkeys, disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died and OD'd.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Whereas the monkeys that had that love and affection and warmth and comfort and essential needs met died at a much lower rate. Most of them actually survived. And he was breaking down that if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response, when you light up that dopamine, maybe it's a boxing match, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You're a kid who's been poor and you get in that boxing match, you knock a guy out and you're hooked. This is it. This is the best I've felt. Everyone's cheering me on. Yeah. For some people, unfortunately, what they find first is a drug or an alcohol or a substance. But that same person could be the future Albert Einstein, the future Muhammad Ali, the future, you know, whatever it may be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Insert here. They have that ability. It's just can we give them a shot? Can we buy them the time and get them out of this? Because I've seen a lot of people beat drug addiction, but I've unfortunately lost a lot of people to it too. They did it with rats too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And he used to go on the elk hunts with us and everything. He was a coach. They had him loaded up on pain meds and everything was starting to fail. He had been in the hospital for months. They were about to move him to hospice. And my buddy said, we're done. I don't want any more pain meds. And he talked to his dad and he said, Dad. Can you survive without the pain meds?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They can't just walk in like they walk into my facility. And so Lilly, Eli Lilly in particular, one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA. But none of that is in the public eye. You have to scour. I think Reuters is the only one that wrote an article.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And he didn't think he could. And he battled like feeling terrible, everything. Long story short, he went from they were going to put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to he drove a car last week. Right? He's out of the hospital. He's in his 80s. He's driving his truck again. I don't know if I want to be on the road with that guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, but it's all those pain meds were poisoning his brain, his body. Of course. His organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more. And I don't want to be too sinister, but there's a lot of money involved. And keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those time frames and then moving them over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, I stood in surgeries where I watched them do neurosurgeries on people they knew were going to die, but they could bill them $800,000 and collect the insurance payment. And so the hospital is going to do the surgery.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's just because our incentive systems are flawed, like what you were talking about earlier. Dopamine wins reward systems. If we build a reward system based off... money and numbers and finances, we shouldn't be shocked when we have killer earnings and really bad health outcomes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here. And also thank you to the U.S. Senate for being brave enough to let us sit there and hammer the U.S. government and critique them for their choices and power to them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open forum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Little Compounding Pharmacy in Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel. And the New York Post makes it national news. But you didn't cover Eli Lilly's nationwide issues on all these products or the fact that over 2000 manufacturing facilities owned by Big Pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years. It's just not good journalism. It doesn't have integrity.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Since the dawn of this country, roughly estimated between 1.3 to 1.5 million people total have died in war, American lives. So in a year, we're losing more people to chronic disease than all the wars combined. And we're not talking about it. So to me, I was excited when they said, hey, the Senate's willing to hear. And that's the beauty of a democracy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, she gave us that she sent us and said it was very vague. I get a voicemail. We want to write an article on your pharmacy. I find out at three o'clock I'm in meetings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our vision is to bring, you know, cost effective prescription drugs to the American people for pennies on the dollar, typically less than your copay or deductible. What part of that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And in this article at the end, I shit you not, the girl puts... And by the way, Eli Lilly slicing prices by 50% on their weight loss drug. That's how the article ends. And I'm like, how is this not an advertisement? And so I looked, and now that I've... I've seen it when I was a drug rep. I saw it when I owned pharmacies and labs. I saw it as a device rep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But I went and looked and said, OK, who owns the New York Post? And when you peel back the layers to that onion, the New York Post majority holders of stock are Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street. Now, let's go look at who are the majority owners into Eli Lilly, Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease with all the things you and I have discussed before, whether pharmacy benefit managers, insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, front to back, top to bottom,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We've lost our way. We really have lost our way, Joe. It's all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits. And I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar that quarter, that day, that month, that they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket. But you have to, like in humans, we have to take a look out and go, hey, I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The body is an organism that works together. We have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started, what caused it, and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause? We have to do the same thing in our systems and our protocols and our procedures. We know that corporate capture is real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA, somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate. You know, everyone's scared to fight these guys and they can wreck your lives. It's scary and it's hard to fight when they control the media. They control all the funding to the advertising on the news networks. I mean, good luck getting a story out there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, and to even further highlight the level of corruption and corporate capture, I sent you and Jamie an article. I don't even remember the news outlet. But when you look, who owns that news outlet? Okay, well, it says most of its funding comes from this PR firm. Then when we go to look at who owns the PR firm, it's Monsanto that owns the PR firm that got this other – and it's always layered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's never abundantly clear. Like it's hard – the other one we talked about was –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
the atlantic you know and as i peel the layers back to the atlantic it was owned by bradley who made his money uh being a consultant for big pharma and pharmacy benefit managers he sold a big chunk of his company off to optum which is one of the dirtiest pharmacy benefit managers out there and we broke that down on your previous podcast the pharmacy benefit managers for those listeners that don't know were established in the 70s and 80s with the goal of driving down the cost of prescription drug care for america
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They did let us come in there and candidly take a dump on the Senate floor on what's going on with this health care system and really dig into the weeds.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it got captured by the insurance companies. So Cigna, Aetna, CVS Health, all of those companies now own these middlemen that are negotiating rebates. So it's important to understand because those rebate dollars are held at that company and they're making billions off of chronic disease. Billions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So if you're on a GLP-1 weight loss drug for the rest of your life and they've negotiated rebates to the pharmacy benefit plans that they own, they're oftentimes holding 40 to 50 percent of their profitability in a shell company that's not disclosed to the American public or the U.S. government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And when they establish a Medicare price point on a drug, they base it off of the average wholesale price in America. And that's important because they artificially inflated the fucking average wholesale price. And they're giving themselves a rebate on the back end. But the government doesn't have line of sight into that. And they know it's happening now. It's been exposed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We talked about this again on your last five. But it's like I think it's the state of Idaho uncovered 230 million in fraud in one year. from the PBMs, one year. Now multiply that times all the states in the United States. And think about how much money is being made off of keeping people on prescription drugs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's crazy. It's scary. The only thing that protects us. And I say this. I feel like I woke up and became my grandpa. I remember him always bitching about politics, and I'm not political.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I'm an idealist. I want to believe that, like— I want to believe that people are looking for the truth. How cute. How sweet. When your data sets are corrupt and the only info you're receiving is from bad sources that are pushing agendas, but those sources also are your future employment when you come out of government service, it just becomes a dangerous, dangerous, slippery slope. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So prior you do a debrief. So we did do a roundtable prior to going into the communal roundtable in front of the public eye, which they had no idea what was coming. The Senate didn't expect it. We had assembled a grassroots effort to get the word out there. And over 2000 people took off from work. These are. This is a Senate hearing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
there are often times where enforcement changes legislation through enforcement. Like right now, the DEA is reviewing if they're going to allow telemedicine companies to continue to prescribe testosterone. And that's crazy to me because it's like all these issues we have, all the chronic disease, there is not a testosterone crisis. This is not like the opioid crisis.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, the amount of people that are having side effects of that in comparison to the testosterone thing. And that's where, you know, you and I disagree somewhat on the GLP-1s. Jillian and I disagree. Callie and Casey and I disagree. It's okay to disagree. There's nothing wrong with having differing lenses.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You need someone to help you. That's where I'm like, if I was pushing an agenda, I have a ton to gain by GLP-1s going gangbusters. I'm not on that bandwagon. I literally sat there with the Senate meeting and said, this is crazy if we government fund prescribing GLP-1s to children. Wow. That's insanity. We need to fix our food products in schools.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children. There's a million things we could do that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable that they're going to take the rest of their life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. Another example of that is that, you know, we were a foster family growing up. So we had up to seven foster kids at a time in my house. And I remember that the hep V vaccines that all those little kids had to get were And I didn't think about it at the time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But again, hearing some of my friends like Callie and Casey talk about it, the vaccine schedule is crazy because you're giving a child a brand new baby, essentially a hep B vaccine. The only two ways to contract hepatitis B is a vaccine. Basically, you're injecting drugs or sexual activity. An infant's not going to have that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates are through the roof? All of these different health issues for children are climbing. And at some point we have to assess what we're doing and say, isn't there a better way? But I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end and the lobby.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day, flew to D.C., had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies. And the level of feedback from people, from like real humans, real world people, was staggering.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And now it's established and now it's hammered home. And then you assemble and you go have a meet with all the pediatricians nationwide. And you have people as spokesperson that push that agenda and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go, yes, we need these vaccines incorporated as part of our policy to protect these children. And I don't think...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
it's not that it was there i don't think everyone's in on it i think people are being duped and it's so siloed that's one of the other things you and i have talked about historically with medicine medicine's so siloed they don't look at the full human body they look at i'm a knee guy and i'm going to look at the knee or i'm a mental health specialist and i'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health but your mental health is intertwined with your physical health your mental health and this is what dr palmer from harvard talks about
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises, it's going to lead to mental health issues.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and what scares me... At the most. And again, not to shit on the GLP-1s, because we prescribe GLP-1s, we utilize GLP-1s. They are a tool in the tool belt, and when utilized appropriately, they can help people. But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately. Right. And so if we make it our frontline defense...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And again, we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America and we say, OK, the food systems broke. Then the people end up chronically ill. Then we don't really assess people until in our in our our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population. If we base the demographic off the average American population.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
that is dying of chronic diseases, and that is our measuring stick, then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases? Cancer, all-time high. I think there's going to be 2 million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year. Every single chronic disease is through the roof. The system is not working.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Man, it was pretty wild. It all transpired so fast. I got a call from Cali Means. We've become pretty good buddies. I know you're having him and his sister Casey on the podcast. Brilliant folks that are just patient advocates. I mean, at the end of the day. They had the same experience as I had. Callie, a little bit different walk of life. He was a lobbyist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, people afterwards came up in tears sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved one down, misdiagnoses, like all the different issues that they've dealt with. trying to navigate this system.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I was, what was I, 29, 30 years old, early 30s. And I was 25% body fat, pre-diabetic, headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about. What was your diet like? My diet, I had, well, originally my diet was terrible. It was a traditional American diet, right? So I was a surgical rep and I had to be in the OR by 7 a.m. And so I would go do CrossFit every morning.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Then I'd go to the OR. I'd be in cases all day. I would eat whatever I could. I would drink a Starbucks Frappuccino, not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients. I just didn't know. And I grew up in a family, again, a foster family where... We were middle-class America, but maybe it was the 80s. Eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It was eating low-fat Lay's potato chips and a Diet Coke. That's literally what my family thought was healthy. And that's a lot of Americans. They don't know. And you just you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into. So I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But he was like, if you're doing everything I'm saying, let me take a step back. I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care. Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel. And then I would say, well, can we look at my hormones? No, no, we don't need to look at hormones. We're going to look at your lipid panel. We're going to do a wellness check.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, that doesn't include hormones in this country. It's not a deep dive because they're scared to do that because the insurance companies control what they'll reimburse and not reimburse. And so clinicians in this country are terrified to do the deep dive and they only have six minutes with you. So they got to get you in and out of there. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Long story short, six months later, still fat, still trying to lose weight, working out every day, seeing a nutritionist. Nutritionist said, I want to refer you to a urology buddy, Dr. Larry Lipschultz, who's one of the godfathers of urology and hormone optimization in the United States. And when I went and met with Larry, he was shocked after he pulled my blood work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And to the Senator's credit, you know, behind closed doors, they did say, you probably don't want to go ultra hard after the food industry or ultra hard after the pharmaceutical industry, because it may limit our ability to get things done. But they did. How do they phrase that? They just said you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We actually did it twice because he just didn't believe my readings. And my testosterone level after seeing him was 98%.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's it's insane. And he's like a woman. But I know it was terrible. And so he's like, of course, you're he's like, I don't know if you're if you're fat because I told this story before. I don't know if you're fat because you have low testosterone or if you have low testosterone because you're fat, but you are fat with low testosterone. And so that was my baseline.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And through just what were you eating then? By then I was using the nutritionist, but then it was a question of, did I dig too big of a hole? And then the question is, are you overtraining and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up? So we ended up treating at the time with HCG and clomiphene.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What did the nutritionist tell you to do? Oh, we prioritize protein, one gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass. We cleaned up my diet. If you make protein the basis of your diet because you need a gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass to maintain. If you're trying to gain lean muscle mass, you have to up that protein intake. And then based off diet or lifestyle and activity level.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so we would prioritize my carbs through certain times of the day. We would keep me at a caloric deficit and we'd prioritize protein in that caloric deficit. And what you'll find is mind blowing. You aren't as hungry if I don't eat a diet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
muffin and a starbucks coffee loaded with sugar i don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later where i'm back to eating another unhealthy meal choice right if you eat protein first eggs hearty heavy foods dense nutrient packed foods your appetite is suppressed it's a natural appetite you can't overeat it's really hard to overeat meat it is
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so we prioritize proteins, healthy proteins like chickens, fish, all of those sources, and then healthy carbs. Get away from sugars, whites, starches. Prioritize healthy carbohydrate sources that are slower burning, that allow you to metabolize the protein that you're absorbing. Fruits and vegetables. So how much weight did you lose that way?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I literally went, well, starting on diet, I probably lost about half of the weight that I was trying to get off. Um, so I know body fat percentage, he got me from 25 down to about 15. And then when we added hormone optimization, um, not testosterone at the time, it was HCG and clomiphene, which boost your natural testosterone levels being monitored by a clinician within physiological norms, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
To try and make sure that we're optimizing my health, not trying to get jacked and tan. Yeah. Literally helped me go from 15 to, at the time, I think I dropped down to around 7%. And I did not change anything. I was working out the same way, eating the same way. 7% is very lean. Yeah. And now I walk around 12 to 15. That's sustainable. And I think in my 40s, that's a level that makes sense to me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But... I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically ill. I should have never been at 25% body fat. If we were getting proactive and predictive and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals and taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess you at the biological level. then we can prevent these chronic diseases.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I'm not talking about through pharmaceutical intervention. We can prevent these through diet, lifestyle, nutrition, and helping teach the patient that there's a better way. And if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention, it's there. There's options out there that can help patients kickstart their health and wellness, especially people in their 40s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And, you know, me, Callie and the other folks that sat on this panel, you know, our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw. And so my testimony in particular was really more about the human side. You know, there's so many staggering datas and statistics and numbers. But behind all that is a person. That's all I wanted people to understand. These are human lives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It took about a year. And that's where it gets crazy with the insurance model. So a lot of people don't know this. Most insurance carriers in the U.S. don't practice preventative. So testosterone would be considered a lifestyle drug.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The challenge with an issue like the DEA, if they really do over-regulate testosterone and shut telemedicine companies down from prescribing it, it's going to limit accessibility for these patients because primary carers don't want to prescribe it, right? And so they're going to punt them off to a urologist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Typically, for an insurance company to cover it, you've got to have two or more fasted blood tests of a testosterone below 250 nanograms per deciliter. So that's a chronically ill man. I mean, that's... To come back twice, I mean, that's going to take you six months to get in with that urology. That's in the dream world. So just to get the insurance coverage, you're talking six months to a year.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And by then, that patient has been chronically ill, headed towards metabolic disease, diabetes. We know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer. It's important to our metabolic health, our bone mineral density, our lean muscle mass. All of these tie into... health and longevity and healthspan in preventing chronic disease.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think somewhat, yes. But I also think the insurance model is an obstructionist model. And so I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis. There were non-addictive, non-abusive pain creams. If somebody is going to be put on – they have an ACL surgery. They're in pain. I'm not here to say there's no need to ever have a pain pill. But in those instances, there were alternatives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That are non-abusive, non-addictive. What are the alternatives? There were ketamine-based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it. So nobody ever got high or stimulated from it because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of. So you could not abuse it. You couldn't divert it if you wanted to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So it just works locally? Insurance within 12 months quit covering it because those creams cost hundreds of dollars, whereas an opioid is like I think $10 a month, right? And then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers who the insurance companies own have reimbursement deals on certain drugs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So when you get a drug, it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug. It's because the PBM, pharmacy benefit manager, has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on tier one or tier two based off their financial incentive in that drug. Testosterone has been on the market so long. It's compounded a million places.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
There is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big insurance companies on testosterone. Right. And so it's just an additional cost. And so the more they can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them, they'll put obstructions in the way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis, they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings at the same time that we're on an opioid bender as a nation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They got rid of the last safety net, which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids, they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not abusing other drugs, that you're not diverting the drug, that this medication is actually in your system. All of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies, but they got rid of that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so as soon as they got rid of that, there was no checks and balances. And so it is layered. It's very nuanced. It's never as simple as yes or no. And I'm just – I'm telling you what I saw. I'm just trying to tell you what I saw. I'm not saying I have all the answers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When Jelly Roll testified, I think he said this equivalent to a 747 jet worth of people die of opioids a day. And that's insane. And that all started with the lapses in the FDA and the drug regulatory market. And we know that – There's an argument out there. I know Cali released the number of 50 plus percent of the FDA's funding comes from Big Pharma.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. He worked at the FDA, approved that, took a job with Sacklers, which I know we beat that horse dead, too. But 13 out of the 15 last out of the last 15 heads of the FDA, 13 have gone to work for industry. And that's tough. That puts everyone in a tough position.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month, how can we regulate that? It's so dirty. How is that legal? A lot of people don't know the Sacklers, that was their second time creating a crisis in America. In the 70s, they created the Valium crisis. Wow. They got all the women.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think it was one in three housewives were addicted to Valium in the 70s. One in three? Congress went after the Sacklers then and they ended up taking a settlement and they paid their way out of it. Slap on the wrist. No criminal charges ever brought forward. And they rode off into the sunset after creating this Valium crisis of the late 70s, early 80s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That was one of the things I learned, too. Five percent of the human brain mass and weight is now made of, is now plastics. We learned that in the hearing, too. Five percent? Blew my mind. Never heard that statistic. Oh, my God. It's terrifying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what's crazy is this is Monsanto, which is also Bayer. And we talked about that. This is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because their hemophilia drug had been contaminated. And they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the U.S. So they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When it comes to drugs alone, 75 percent of the drug funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies themselves. And so there's a big market there. And with Big Pharma spending over $8 billion a year advertising, that's more than the entire sum of the FDA's budget.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Wow. I mean, it doesn't, it's just, I think it was Jason during the testimony, he said, and this resonated with me,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Do we need double-blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly – can we at least say might possibly create some sort of issue in other biological beings?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What gives me hope, though, is they were willing to talk. That does give me hope, Joe. Like, the Senate... They took a risk, man. They took a risk. They allowed us to come in. They did say, hey, we recommend you don't go too hard in the paint. And everyone said, fuck that. And they just dropped bombs like they know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If we look at it, if we really look at it, if it wasn't for you... I would have never met RFK. And if it wasn't for coming on your show, I would have never got my message out there. If it wasn't for Tucker's podcast, Callie would have never got his message out there. And Casey.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, it's insane. And those ads are wild. But what I saw is, the truth is, my hope is that people listen and the American people fight. We can fight with our pocketbooks. We can fight through our choices as citizens. Do I have faith that the government's going to fix these problems overnight? I don't. But at least we're having the conversation. And to their credit, they let us speak freely.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I tell people all the time, like, I love CPI. I love all these guys. All ships rise and fall with the tide. We're in this together. Our battle is not each other. Our battle is the federal government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm just glad there's a voice, because we've got to get the message out there that there are alternatives. And this... It's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that, hey, if it's an FDA approved product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold, it's science. And it's not. A lot of it's never been researched.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I can tell you working with primary cares, there's some of the hardest working, most patient-focused folks out there, and they're just tired. They're beat down. They're exhausted. They've got to see 40 people a day. Most of them are now employees of a hospital. And so the hospital doesn't really care about the primary market because it doesn't make money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The reason you have the primary care market is to control the referral network to the hospital system. And so they need those primaries referring knees, shoulders, elbows, hearts, spine, brain, neurosurgeries. That's where their money is made. That's where they can really bill insurance companies and get big reimbursements.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We still battle that. I can tell you, GSP, he's coming in again this week, and he's talked about us, I think, on your pod. He's posted about us. He's the man. He's amazing. But when I met him, he was a skeptic, and he said, I know I'm talking to you because of Joe, but my doctor said this is bullshit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm up in Canada, and he said that there's no such thing and that I have to have surgery to fix this shoulder. We fixed his shoulder. He's posted about it. He never had surgery. He went back in. The doctor's like, I don't know what you're doing, and there are
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with, I don't think any of them other than Aaron Rodgers has told their doctor that they're working with us, like big name athletes, but they're scared of the team doctor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds. When I worked as a med device rep, I can tell you we funded studies, but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products. Of course. And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We wanted ACL surgeries, shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries, because that's how the company made its living. And so, again, it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it. It was more of if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check, that's where everyone's at. And everyone's so compartmentalized, it's easy to almost have plausible deniability. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They didn't put a censor on us. They you know, they tried to give us some coaching, you know, to say, hey, if you go this route, just understand there's going to be blowback. And, you know, we're here to get progress on these topics, not, you know, burn the house down type deal. And then I did have some and it was it was a bipartisan effort.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Somebody comes in with to a primary care and they're overweight and they're diabetic and they're anxious and they're not sleeping. The doctor is going to write them five drugs and push them out the door, not because they're a bad person, but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country. That is the dogma of the situation we're in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're taught prescribe first, ask questions later. Rather than deep dive, understand the root cause of the disease, let's understand what is this person – like the question you asked me. What are you eating? How much sleep are you getting? Are you getting sunlight? Are you stressed?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you do that with your backyard. If you do that with your backyard. tumor-based cancers. Okay, well, there's a blood test that can screen for over 200 tumor-based cancers, and it can tell you when you're at level zero, right? Undistinguishable, because usually how they're diagnosing is through... imaging. And so the challenge with imaging is pixelation, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The image can't capture the cellular level. Blood work can. So at the cellular level, we can tell you when you're at stage zero on a cancer up to seven years prior to you developing cancer on over 200 different types of cancer. Why would that not be implemented into our health care system? Or at minimal, what I argued with the senator about was, OK,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So some of the senators in the room had mentioned, well, the American people just want a pill. You know, they don't really want a solution that they're not. They're looking for an easy way out. And I pushed back. It's funny because one of the moms that was there was like, oh, my God, I can't believe you were just dropping F-bombs in that meeting. But I'm like, I think you're fucking wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans. Why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters, our military veterans? We know that over 70 percent of firefighters and military veterans will develop cancer in their lifetime. It's staggering because of dealing with ballistics and weapons and guns. And all of those are carcinogens.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke inhalation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, all that gets in your skin and gets absorbed through the skin. So there's carcinogens in all of those things. Especially indoors, right? Mm-hmm. Like an indoor range versus an outdoor range. And it's disproportionate. Our first responders and our military personnel disproportionately have higher cancer rates. Especially firefighters.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and you can even see when we talk about diet and food and environment, it's even happening. Wasn't it Biden's son?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We tried to... That was the message I wanted people to get. Yes, we were talking to senators, but the truth is we were talking to the American people and it was guys. We don't have my thing to the public is I'm not here to tell you that I have the answers to the test. I'm here to tell you I have the questions to the test.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I'm telling you what I saw and I'm being honest and I'm trying my best. I am not fucking political left, right, left. different wings to the same bird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Like I will say right now the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, after being in health care since I was 20 years old, what I see is people struggling for answers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population. We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares. You know, I talked about this last time. We're going to have a 30 percent shortage in primary cares, and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care. We're headed over a cliff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We have got to get chronic disease under control in this nation, and we've got to do it fast. And I want to say something, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They try to say if we can't agree on one topic that we have to disagree on all topics. And that's the most frustrating thing to me. My neighbor is amazing. She's an amazing person. She sent me a message and was like, you know, Bobby Kennedy sold out and blah. I'm not I don't care about the Maha movement. And I'm like, this isn't about Maha or Trump or any.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This is about because she's a hardcore liberal. Yes. But I'm like, this is about people, though. And don't let them fool you. Don't let them fool you. I agree. I don't agree with the Republicans on half the things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He's a way braver man than I am because I would retire on an Iowan. It's a different kind of human.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When you watch The Godfather, the original Godfather, the ties to Italy and how intertwined all that is is wild, and that's somewhat based on reality.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Casey was a doctor, Stanford-trained surgeon. Realized that she was in a system where they didn't really heal people. They just treated symptoms and profiteered off disease states. And she said there's got to be a better way. So their voice rung so loud. after I think they did Tucker, that it led to momentum. And then because of you having me on the podcast, that's how I met RFK.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Who was saying that the American people just want a pill? I don't want to name any names, but one of the senators there was saying in his experience people are looking for the easy way out. And I don't think that's the case. I think people are looking for hope. Well, here's the thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I've got a buddy who's a wildlife photographer for Cabela's and he – He's from somewhere over in Russia, but it literally took him years to get his citizenship. And he became friends with the girl who worked at the guy who approved his desk and would literally message her. And she'd be like, nope, not today. Nope, not today. And he waited for a day when the guy was having a great day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And went and had his meeting and he got his citizenship. But it took him years. And now he's working here for Cabela's shooting wildlife photography and living the dream. And he grew up reading in Russia, reading these books about the Great West. And like he wanted to be a cowboy. And he tells these stories. But he is an example of somebody who believes in the American dream.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, I mean if you think about it, if you're a felon in the United States, you're not allowed to vote. So wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept somebody with a criminal record into the United States? Like we have – We have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really dig ourselves out of the hole with right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The level of hell that those people go through. This is the letter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what's hard is people use those things to distract us and to divide us. And even with my neighbor, I know we agree on 80% of the things. It's like, hey, I'm not against or for anyone. I'm not against Kamala. I'm not against Trump. I'm for team humanity. I am for can we work together to solve the problem.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And whoever wins, whether Trump or Kamala, I hope that we can continue the momentum and the dialogue. And I hope that... you know, we can truly have an open conversation that gains traction. And what I love about it being public is it's forever memorialized in public record.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that was, our hope was to break down from the start of how do we process these foods? How do we grow, harvest, and what do we do with our soil? What do we do with our pesticides? How do we bring these products to market? How do we regulate our food industry? And that's all new to me. That's not my expertise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It is insanity because even at a smaller level, just testifying in front of the Senate, the level of hate and just like misrepresentations of truth. I don't even want to call it lies, but to me it's lies. The level of like misrepresentation and taking things out of context and it just – It just doesn't seem genuine, and it doesn't seem like people are really fighting for truth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what's insane to me, Joe, is what part of saying, hey, we need to better understand how we're growing our food, how we're processing our food, how we're preserving our food. Maybe leftover petrol chemicals aren't the best way to preserve our food products in America. You're not allowing that in other nations.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And we're looking at the data, the statistics, and the numbers, and we're saying something's not right. The point of that conversation was to say, today's the day we start the dialogue. You know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with one. And I look at it and say, my message was, how do we fix this? Well, we start by acknowledging there's a fucking problem in the first place.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
My expertise and my testimony was focused on what I saw as a drug rep, what I saw as a med device rep, what I saw billing insurance companies. And that was a part of the talk that we didn't even get to dive deep into. But the goal was to explain to the Senate that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Literally, we're there saying diet, lifestyle, nutrition, getting proactive, predictive, and personalized. That's the message. The system's waiting for you to get sick, and then they're giving you drugs. Rather than waiting to get sick and taking a drug, let's get proactive and predictive. Let's look at you at the biological level.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Let's stop the chronic disease from developing at its roots and prevent this crisis.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Absolutely. There has to be. And that's where I say – This is what's crazy. People are going to spend money. The only way I can scale this and make it better for people and more cost effective is AI and large language models, which is what I'm rapidly running towards, which even in that Hatchet Job article, she says, and he's illegally using AI to prescribe. I'm not prescribing medicine using AI.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
She doesn't. claim that? Yeah, she said something to that nature. Isn't that defamatory? I'm like, we are using AI to assess blood work, and then it is reviewed by a board-certified clinician that then reasserts the AI's homework, and the AI is just there as an additional tool. Now, the vision of the future...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
and I think this will happen, is I think AI will replace a lot of primary cares in America.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
From the food processing, growing, harvesting, chemical treatments, to the packaging, to the ingredients we add into our food, to the hospital systems, throughout the system, front to back, the American people are set up for failure. In the 1950s, the FDA had approved 700 different ingredients in our food products. That's it, 700.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Even at a great cash pay clinic, you know, like I think Ways to Well is a phenomenal clinic. I think there's hundreds, if not thousands of phenomenal cash pay clinics. Peter Attia is brilliant. In any of those practices, the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in. That's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you, walking you through everything in your chart, what they saw, family history, genetics, epigenetics, cross-reference that with blood work. That's a lot of work. AI can do it instantly. Instantly. And at your own timeline and discretion. So your blood work comes back. Joe, you're busy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You don't have time to get on the phone for 40 minutes with a provider. No problem. You log into the app and you ask Alan. Alan, hey, remind me again, what was my blood work on testosterone? And then Alan's going to tell you and then you can ask this AI anything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it is backed by all the peer-reviewed journal studies, white paper studies, all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross-referenced by our clinical team. And we're guiding that. It's not an open architecture, but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine. And how can that be bad?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I just think in the future, it's going to be the way of the future, and it'll allow us to get cost-effective.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Because you would know the AI, imagine a world where – and again, sword cuts both ways. Every tool can be good or bad. But what I'm envisioning is – AI monitoring you 24-7, tying into your wearables. We know your REM sleep, your heart rate variability. You've gone through and you've done a DEXA. I know how much lean muscle mass you have, how much visceral fat, how much subcutaneous fat.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I have your epigenetics, your genetics all loaded in. I know your family history. We've done a cancer screening. I know that you have no forms of cancerous tumors in your body at this moment. From there, now we have a clean bill of health and a starting point, but we're tracking you. I know that Joe slept five hours on Saturday. I know that Joe got one hour of sleep on Saturday.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And then we can accrue those data sets and begin to cross-reference it. Like right now we have over 60,000 patients at Ways to Well. Imagine when it's nationwide and we have millions. How are you monitoring their sleep? We're not yet. This is the app that we're launching. So what would you use? We want to be agnostic, so we want to tie into Sleep 8. We want to tie into Whoop, any of them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you'll give us access to that data, we'll know what date you started prescription care. You'll be able to refill your medicine straight through the pharmacy because it's vertically integrated. Here's the challenge with traditional medicine. Every software is based on how to get paid from the fucking insurance company. That's it. Pharmacy software is 30 years old.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS? How do I get my money from United? It's not meant to be a tool that helps drive health span and health care. But if we vertically integrate pharmacy software with the medical practices software, with the AI, the wearables, the REM sleep, it then knows what date Joe started... glutathione or whatever, a peptide or whatever it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate, variability, REM sleep, and all those variables. And then at the end of a year, we reassess you proactively and personalized through a DEX and a VO2 max. And we say, look, Joe, You gained one pound of lean muscle mass. You didn't put on any additional body fat. Your visceral body fat is at an all-time low.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Your chronic disease score is an A+. We do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease. We are proactive, not sitting back waiting for you to get cancer. We're going to roll our sleeves up and go to fucking work. And it's not hard. This does not cost a fortune. It is totally affordable. I hear all the time like... This is your body. This is how I ended my speech to the Senate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Today, there are over 10,000 chemicals and petrochemicals in our food products in the United States. In Europe, still 700. Jesus. And what gets crazier is when Food Babe, she's an influencer, right? And that's been, you know, crapped on by the media.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I believe this. $400 trillion to one. $400 trillion to one are the chances you are alive in this room today. What are we going to do with it? Are we going to let these bastards at big pharma and big medical profiteer off of our family members and profiteer off chronic disease? Or are we going to take sovereignty and accountability?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Are we going to test ourselves and drive our health span and take ourselves out of their fucking shitty life raft that's going down? Like, it doesn't matter if you have a first Republican Democrat. Congratulations. You have a front row seat on the fucking Titanic. That's where we're headed if we don't get proactive is not a left or right issue. This is an American issue.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's all I keep trying to hammer home. And thank God the Republicans are talking about it. And I hope the Democrats will start talking about it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's one of the things that RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop. We have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other. And seeing like. I won't name it, but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight, and I look at that, and this kid is doing all she can. And it's hard to tell a little kid, like, your friends can eat that candy, but you can't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Everyone in school is drinking their soft drinks and all these things, and it's bad for all of them. It's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner. You know, but it isn't good for anyone who's consuming these things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it creates an environment. Yeah, that this is an addiction issue now. And then that leads to a mental health issue and low self-esteem. And part of the problem with the addiction of food, too, is you have to eat food.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that's where the GLP-1s, where I do say like morbidly obese, chronically ill, diabetic, pre-diabetic, patients headed over a cliff. It has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break. Right. That's dangerous. And it is dangerous to say that there is no risk reward to prescribe that in children. We don't know the long term ramifications.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. But she's an advocate, and she's just a voice, a mother out there saying, hey, guys, what's wrong with this picture? Let me show you what's in Froot Loops in America, and let me show you what's in Froot Loops in Canada. The same manufacturer, Kellogg's, is selling one product to the American people and a safer – less ingredient, less chemical-filled product outside the United States.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill, obese patient in their 40s headed towards chronic disease crisis that's going to kill them. Yeah. That's a different...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
risk profile and safety profile analysis then a twelve-year-old little girl who's overweight that's a totally different talk track so you know i have some differing viewpoints from the other folks on that committee but that's the beauty of a democracy we can disagree on topics but agree on the issue of we've got a lot of work to do and and some things to fix but it's very straightforward did you disagree all day long
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He would give it all up and start from scratch. Right. You're spot on. You don't understand. I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table and I really do think, Joe, ever since losing my brother, I am so present in those moments. And I just want everyone to be healthy. And I want the good memories to last.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I want to be able to watch people live happy lives. And all the data and numbers and statistics, they're so overwhelming that people lull over. And that's why in front of the Senate, I brought it back to, I'm just going to talk about people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people out there than me from Harvard, Stanford, all these academic types that are brilliant. And I'm like, but at the end of the day, guys, if the Senate doesn't understand, these are your children, your wives, your brothers, your sisters, your husbands, your wife. Like this is this is these are family members.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This is not just a number. These are real lives. One point nine million people dying a year of chronic disease. That doesn't even include deaths of despair, suicide, opioid abuse. We are a chronically ill society. And those impacts destroy families, destroy them. The ramifications are so far beyond that. Finances in numbers, but even finances in numbers, 24% of our federal budget, healthcare.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Number one budget concern federally is healthcare. Number one concern for most states, healthcare. Number one reason for bankruptcy in the United States for an individual, healthcare. It is a huge problem. But that's the dollars and cents of it. The real cost is paid in human lives and lost loved ones. And that's that's all I wanted them to hear is don't sweep this under the rug.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They have the ability to sell it here, but they don't because they know they can sell more addictive, more colorful, vibrant, that attract kid food sources here in the U.S. It's so dark. And so we walked through all of that. It blew my mind on the food front. And we know, you and I have talked, like in the healthcare system, my main message was,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think I think a tremendous amount. But the problem is then you swing that pendulum to overregulation and you've created a drug addict in the marketplace. And all those addicts turned to fentanyl and black market products. Right. Because the addiction is already there. Now we've already addicted. More people are dying of opioids today than ever before. And so the damage is prescribed less.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, the damage has been done. And that's what's hard. I don't know how you put that genie back in the bottle. The question becomes, what is the next opioid crisis? What's the next thing? It's almost like a hoarder's house.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I would even argue that the market we live in now is – A pharmaceutical insurance cartel, you know, they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease. And they have such a stranglehold over academia, the universities. They fund most of the studies, the NIH.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies, to the enforcement committees, to everything. They control the media. Like as soon as somebody gets, you know, get a little mouthy, anything, they come and hammer you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
and try to discredit you and portray it also how transparent it is like who owns the companies i know that's but most people aren't going to spend the time to go like i looked because i'm like who is this attacking me i want to understand their viewpoint it wasn't oh ha ha ha gotcha i'm gonna bust these people it was more of let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because the message is
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Hope. It was hope. It was unity. It was working together. It was drop the part that has become healthy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We're here to talk about the boom in chronic disease. We know that food and our environment has a huge impact on that, but so does preventative care. And so does building an ecosystem that allows clinicians to troubleshoot and diagnose and prevent chronic diseases from evolving in the first place. These are all metabolically related disease states.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that's where I go, who has the most to win by dividing us? It's not the Democrats. It's not the Republicans. It is the powers that be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And when we peel back the layers, BlackRock, Vanguard, that own the majority shares of these pharmaceutical companies, that own the majority shares of most of the media outlets, that own the left and the right, they push agendas and they can control everything essentially except podcasts and free speech.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that's one of the things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was – He implored us to stop trying to cater to the mainstream media because he said it's a lost cause. It's a lost hope. I hate to say that to you guys, but the world has given up on them. Why are you guys wasting your time with them?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Focus on podcasts, books, areas where you can truly, in a long-form format, expose the truth and ask and respond to hard-hitting questions. And we talked about you and your platform, and this is... You know, has been that people try to label it as misinformation at times. And I'm like, what part is me? Anytime I've come on, I've cited all my references on the Ways to Well website.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I list reference after reference, study after study.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, and I'll even say, and again, I don't know. I don't want to be too conspiratorial. I went to bed, and I was exhausted after that Senate hearing. I posted it. I'm a nobody. I didn't expect... I went to bed, and I want to say I had 1.3 million views. And I posted a rebuttal about one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative. And I just posted, hey...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Not a fair assessment of what happened today. 2,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartisan, backed by some of the best and brightest minds in medicine. Harvard, Stanford, Stedman Hawkins, all were present. This was not a bunch of influencers, blah, blah, blah. Shame on you. That was all I posted. Didn't get in the weeds.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
woke up the next day and all the momentum was gone like it we only we we still i think are sitting at 1.3 million i don't believe and then casey got messaged hey they'll de-platform you be careful if you start naming specific news outlets and i still believe that somehow we got de-algorithmed or deprioritized after we began to push back on the media for the stuff they were saying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
All the chronic diseases that are killing us can be traced back to diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, but none of our clinicians are trained on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Your JRE experience. I don't know if they're affiliated with you or just a fan page. JRE experience Instagram. He print screened and messaged me and it said this video is not suitable for repost or something. My video from testifying in front of the Senate. They won't let you repost things. This was a Senate hearing. What are you talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It was going crazy, and then I would see 100 new follow, 100 like whatever, and then the next morning, dead, totally dead. Like literally right after we were all trading texts about that article, and we're like – I just cannot believe they reacted with an article this fast, and it's a total misrepresentation of what occurred today. That's all they need.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it tried to make it sound like it was a left or right-wing political movement, like a right-wing political ideology. And it's like everyone in that room – in fact, most of the people on the panel – We're Democrat backgrounds, registered Democratic voters like there were some Republicans on there, but it was a mixture is a melting pot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And we're all free thinkers like don't take my ability to think critically away from me. I don't give a shit which party you're part of. I am here for team people. Let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right like it's not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I feel like. I feel like, for example, the New York Post article, I honestly, the way they worded that, they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just shit all over the FDA. And I'm like, I'm doing my best to be transparent and say they're at a disadvantage. They're underfunded. They didn't build this model. They were put in this model. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And they're doing their best to navigate, but they're underfunded, understaffed, and chronically corrupted. Right. By the environment itself. But I would tell you the same thing with academia, the same thing with hospital systems. It's not me picking on one person.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The biggest thing I saw in health care was doctors were exhausted, whether orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons. I mean, I told you this. My buddy, he's a prominent sports medicine surgeon. He's a team doctor for multiple teams. He's had highest positions at hospital systems. And even he says, what am I going to do, man? What am I fucking supposed to do? You know, I got it. I need to do surgeries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all the all of this flow and work. And I've got to hold my team accountable for the amount of surgeries and their volumes. And you're never supposed to make it about volumes. But all of these hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off. cranking out the most amount of surgeries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down. And with insurance companies dwindling reimbursements and dwindling, like even primary care reimbursements, but also surgical reimbursements, you're not going to be able to innovate when it's a race to the bottom, right? A total joint's paying less now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. But you and I've talked about this with some of your comedy friends that have become my friends, too, to watch the evolution. You just got to give people momentum. We just got to get some wins on the board. We got to give them hope. And we've got to start by having the conversation. And that's what I was optimistic about for the first time in my adult life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's going to take an 8% haircut every year, and it has for like the last 15 years. So nobody's going to go out and buy some brand new state-of-the-art joint or even innovate a brand new state-of-the-art joint because it's all about commodity, commoditizing it and driving down the cost right now to make it affordable to even get a joint.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Growing up in Houston, I was used to hurricanes. A fire would be terrifying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so Bobby's team had reached out to me maybe about a year and a half ago to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there and sit down with him and he was, just asking 100 questions about what's going on and what did you see on the pharmaceutical side and what did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
cracking in half. Are they having that many claims? Is that why?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The Senate is willing to sit down with a group of individuals and have a deep conversation about where our food comes from, how our food is being processed, what ingredients are in our food and how that could potentially lead to chronic disease. And it got labeled by some of the. I would say hatchet job media outlets that have come out, and we can dive into that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I've only been in one earthquake, and it was in Japan when we were at Disney in Japan, and an earthquake hit. This was recently. Yeah. We were with Philip, Frank, and Lee, and Margarita, and Amanda and I were all there, and literally the earthquake hit. I get a text. And I look and all the Japanese people are looking at their phones too. And it's like, like an Amber Alert.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I look and it says, seek shelter, nine point, whatever, eight points. That was a huge one. I don't know earthquakes. I don't want to tell you they're wrong. Whatever the giant one was that just happened. And every Japanese person just dropped to the ground and covered their heads. And we were in a cave, like a man-made cave at Disney.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So Amanda looked at me and was like, fuck that, and just took off running. Oh, wow. And we, like, ran out of the cave. Good move. But everyone was just down on the ground. And then the tsunami warnings followed. And I was just thinking, like— I grew up with hurricanes, and you know they're coming. You have like a week. The earthquake stuff is terrifying. Terrifying. That is scary.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Japan gets some big ones. And the earth is literally throwing things and moving. That's way scarier to me than hurricanes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When I got back to the hotel, there was a koi pond, because it's Japan, beautiful koi pond, but it was up on, like, the 30th floor. Oh, God. All that water was just all over the lobby from the hotel swaying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
All the birds came first flying through. Animals know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, I even saw it. Well, they have, they have senses that I think we have too, that we just don't have anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like you and I talk about that when you go hunting and by like day two or three, you almost feel like you're more aware, more in tune to every noise, every, you feel the temperature more that everything gets enhanced. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, it's crazy. He's a wildlife photographer, but when you talk to him because he's been through shit, you know, living in Russia. He's worn out. No, he's amazing because he's so optimistic, and he'll say, and I agree with him, this is the greatest country in the world. We are the greatest country in the world, but we have to fight for that. No, we have to torch the Constitution.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You have it in your stand-up bit. That part where you talk about politics, that's 100% how I feel, and that's how almost everybody I know feels. Yeah. It's a lie that we all believe the Republicans or the Democrats. We don't. We we're all individuals and free thinkers and every topic is different and nuanced and it's not that easy. It's not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it's hard to find a party that represents everything you believe in. And again, I'm not political. So I focus on health care because it's what I know. And I know I can debate anyone on this on this topic. I fucking know it. You want to talk about the Ukraine? I'm a moron. I can't help you there. I don't know. But I know health care and I know how broken it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Go to yoga class. The example I can give you is one of the bills that they are putting in place is to cover GLP-1s for every American that wants it. That's $1,500 a month right now because of what the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have done to price gouge and market up. Shouldn't be that. It should be under a couple hundred dollars a month. But it's not, and it's not going to be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so I look at that and go, okay, for $1,500 a year, You could get the DEXA, the VO2 max. You could be monitored with AI 24-7. You could get at minimal blood work twice a year, comprehensive consult, one hour deep dive into your biologics, and we could treat the root cause of the issue. Because I said this on Jillian's podcast with GLP-1s. I am not against them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm still a believer in them when utilized appropriately. But prescribing a GLP-1, a weight loss drug, Without talking about diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, it's like brushing your teeth while eating fucking Oreos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, what gives me hope is the Democrats were in that meeting and there were Democrat senators that were interested. And I don't believe that it's the Democrats. I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats. And it's not – I just think people are trying to intentionally create that strife and that separation. And I don't believe it's the Democratic Party.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What's hard is they went immediately at, like, these are all entrepreneurs that have something to sell you. And I can tell you, sitting in the room with those people, all of us were scared. All of us were scared. It's scary. I'm not going to make money off of this. If anything, I could lose money. I have businesses that are under the FDA's guidelines, are under the FDA's oversights.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic Party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as – A political agenda rather than the facts of life of where we're at as a nation. That's for sure the root cause of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But the insanity of it is, Joe, let's even look at COVID. If we look at the people that died of COVID, it was because of chronic disease and comorbidity. which goes back to when we talk about it, and one of the things that's built into the new Ways to Well AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all-cause mortality risk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The goal is to drive down all-cause mortality risk. What people don't understand is if you're like you, a physically fit, lean muscle mass, low body fat, healthy individual – It reduces your risk of everything that could kill you. Everything. A car accident, which sounds crazy, but think your body is metabolically healthy and fit. Your chances of surviving and recovering are higher. Oh, for sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's also hard even in the system when you're separate from politics. When you're in there, there's local politics, right? You're in a hospital system. You're a primary care. Man, you start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients, you're going to have the urology section of your hospital pissed off because they're going to go, what the hell is this primary care doing this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's my spectrum. Send them over to me. Right. I could be making money off these people. And everything is siloed in a way that it makes it hard for these clinicians to practice medicine the way they would want.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I don't want to upset the apple cart, but I also want to tell the truth. And I wanted to share what I saw. And that was my message was. I'm not here to represent the left or the right. I'm here to represent humanity. This is not a Republican issue. This is not a Democrat issue. This is a humanity issue. These are people's lives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That should be a prerequisite. Even with food. We could overcomplicate food. Okay. Why not just say, if you don't ship it to Europe, don't ship it to Americans? Yeah. Duh. How is that hard? If we don't want to do the double-blind studies and the research, and I get it, and it's hard to do, and it's confusing, but at minimal...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the U.S. has today.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, and I heard Tulsi on here talking, and I'm like, God, man, when you look at, like— there's a lot to gain by those people not being able to afford to stay. That's what's scary. They're essentially homeless, and then they still got to pay their mortgages. They still have to pay these bills. They're not going to give them long-term mortgage relief.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, we live in a world where things change so fast. See if you can find that. I get how people would get overwhelming because I try to follow it all. And that's why I stick to my niche of health care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's so much.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What do you know about the Ukraine? One of the things – and again, I don't know enough to – I'm curious because I know you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than me. I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through – like their farmland is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And those loans are essentially being provided by these big conglomerates.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Because I always look and go, well, there's no such thing as – Everything's biased. No such thing as a free lunch. So what is the real agenda and who's funding and why is always my question just from seeing other sectors and what happens. Of course. Always.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The WooWoo article, she alludes to how we talked about nothing but metabolic disease. And what does metabolic disease have to do with cancer? Actually, I can tell you. It is the number one risk factor. Obesity and metabolic disease is the number one risk factor to all forms of cancer other than smoking. So if you take smoking and age out of the equation, it's your number one risk factor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's where all of this gets so hard. It's like. I want to believe there's truth in that we have somewhere where we still have integrity and honesty and transparency. It doesn't mean you always get it right. But even redacting the articles doesn't happen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I don't know enough about, do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop, like create stop gaps and all that for the fires? Or how does that, how do they even do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That is so crazy. And the people on that panel, too, to their credit, I was the least qualified of anyone to be in that room. And I was there to talk about my experiences as an industry insider. I am not telling you that I am an expert on metabolic disease. I can tell you that I'm an expert on fuckery. because I've been in health care long enough to see what they're doing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Right, or months later. But it's also an island. It can't be that hard to find these people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and then I know, too. I mean, it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money. And that happens even here with hurricanes. It's a. You know, if you don't have the money to pay for stuff yourself, you're stuck battling the insurance company. If you don't have the money to battle the insurance company, then you're really in a tough spot. Right. Yeah, it's dark.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I had a – during a hurricane in Houston at our pharmacy, I had a tree damage the roof, but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind-driven rain. Anyways, it was like $60,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover because they could say it's wind-driven rain, not flood – not rising water. So water damage is very specific?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, they have different ways of loot pulling out of paying your coverage. And so for somebody who's, it's their house, you know, who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies, they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, I had flood insurance, everything, and it doesn't cover it, so I got left holding the bag. Is there tree insurance?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, God. Insurance is a racket. And then even in health care insurance, you know, like.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Is there a thing out there that's not a racket? I know. Church, religion, everything's a racket.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think I'm paraphrasing him for sure, but I think that's accurate. As great as we are as humans, we are tribal, like you said. So we find reasons to see how we're different and where to argue and where to fight. And I think that allows corruption to creep in. Oh, yeah. It's insidious. It spreads. It's in every aspect of life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I know their equation. I know their offense. But other than me, you had Casey Means, Stanford-trained surgeon. You had Dr. Palmer, a psychiatrist from Harvard who was breaking down metabolic disease and how it's astronomically impacting the mental health crisis in America. One of the stats he dropped on us in his testimony was, we are at an all-time high in suicide and death of despair.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so when they had an opportunity to put this team together to testify in front of the Senate, the goal was to create a nonpartisan group of individuals to take a new, fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America. because the chronic disease crisis is at an all-time high.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We're talking about there's no justification for letting in murderers. Mark Twain, there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, in California, they don't arrest if it's under $1,300 or something. Oh, yeah. They just let them walk out with TVs, they just gotta make sure it's under like 1200 bucks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I wonder, even with AI, as we get down to that, like you were talking about, it's a way more complex conversation than today, but what are they going to do with the massive displacements in jobs between AI and robotics and humanoid robots?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, there's 10 companies out there that are launching robots, not just Elon, and those are backed by chat GPT and large language models that are rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge and intellect that...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We already have – everyone has Alexa in their house and what was that one? Like I told – I made a joke about the government. I laughed. Alexa laughed. So did the FBI or whatever it is. It's so entrenched in our world. I don't know. I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
greater than during the Great Depression. More Americans are dying of suicide and death of despair, more than ever. More children are being diagnosed with metabolic disease, diabetes. Girls are starting periods six years younger. I don't need a double-blind study to tell you something's wrong. Just look at the data. And that was this message. I'm hearing a lot of woo-woo from you.
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It's nuts, and it's like right out in the open. Well, with the AI and the way things are headed too, though, when we talk about displacement of jobs, so many people think it's going to be like Trade workers. And I'm like, no, this is going to replace clinicians. This is going to replace doctors, lawyers, you know, a lot of. Dude, a lot of things. A lot.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I say this, you also need a purpose. In Viktor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning, he survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose, a higher calling. I can tell you, when I'm just eating shit sandwiches and getting my head stomped in right now, running these companies, over 300 employees, DEA, FDA companies,
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you know, fighting big pharma, all the things we battle, there are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress, but I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive. I really, truly do. When I was a device rep, I made good money, But I went to bed miserable every night, and I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn in a scheme, and we're not really making an impact.
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So I go back to I think people, humans, we need a purpose. And so that scares me the most is a lot of people's purpose, if it's not being a mother or a father or a sibling, they find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job. Yeah. Right. Their cause. So what do we do when... That's a really good question.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You have some of the coolest art in your studio and at the club. I love art. Super cool art.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When I see your Greg Overton stuff, it's like you're looking. It is insane, the detail. It's incredible. It's crazy.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I need some data. As we get into that, in the names, they just totally breezed over and that article tried to make it sound like it's a bunch of influencers. And it's like, yes, there were some people who have social media presences, but there were also academics there. But also you can't Harvard, Stanford and Stedman Hawkins.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, you just do the European male. That's what I like.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think they look like when you go to, you know, one of these lodges where they have like entire scenes. Like I saw one, the guy on the second story of his house, like has a kudu drinking out of water and it's literally a crocodile coming up. I mean, it's wild.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's nuts. These people are out of their fucking mind. And it's weird because it's the same as Tiger King in a way, like... It's the same personality quirk. You know what I'm saying? Yep. It's this weird personality quirk. When you watch it, you'll see some of the, I don't want to say mental health issues, but some of the traumas or whatever they are are the same. They're mentally ill people.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and then they have that hormone dump. I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old, so they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent. I mean, that's their way of communicating.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The kind of musculature they have. I haven't messaged Tony about it yet, but the Vince McMahon. What do you mean? They just dropped a Vince McMahon docuseries on Netflix. Oh, it's not about chimpanzees. No, no, this is a new Netflix one about Vince McMahon and the WWE. It's pretty intense. No, I haven't seen it, man. Speaking of muscles. He was doing some wild shit.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm still I'm only on like the second episode, but they're getting into like there was a lot of there was some weird stuff like they even they were even bringing in little kids kind of like going down that Epstein path. Oh, my God. They talk about that, like not kids. Teenage boys, kids though, 15-, 16-year-old kids working crews and stuff that were being utilized sexually and exploited.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's a lot of sinister stuff in there.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, it's all allegations and whistleblowers and, I mean, who knows? You never know anymore.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But you also live in that imaginary world where you've created this character and then at what point does the character become you when you've done it for 30, 40 years, whatever it was. Right. Because he grew up. His dad founded it and he was integral into the storylines and then became... Like his character was the pompous Vince McMahon. Right. Elitist. Like that was his whole character.
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That was his shtick. So did that bleed into life? Does reality become fiction become reality?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What did it say about that? They haven't gotten into that. By the second episode, they're talking about steroid use, and they're definitely—I didn't know that they indicted him for— Selling steroids to his athletes. I mean, a lot of crazy stuff. Oh, really? I didn't know that either. Yeah, they tried to indict him, and he fought it. I think he got off. I haven't got that far yet.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And, you know, even Bonnie is the food babe. Bonnie, her battle has helped. Remove ingredients from certain states, stop chemicals in certain food sources.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I love his coverage. He's so smart. He breaks stuff down so eloquently.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's such a short-term... There's so many bad things that can happen there. It is crazy to me that athletes are using that.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They are some of the most bang... Like, God, man, we've... We've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers, and they have put their bodies through hell. I mean, I would say even more than jiu-jitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys, out of everybody we've worked with, the wrestlers are the most beat to shit. You know who's not beat to shit?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over 100,000 Americans coming out the tail end of that, asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it. That's all they were asking. Hey, why don't we just match what you're doing outside the U.S.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Can you imagine being back there like half starving and Brock Lesnar gets off a boat walking onto your land? You're like, oh, God.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They were doing a lot of mushrooms. Yeah, they were doing psychedelics and human sacrifices and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, they would sacrifice people. Did you ever see that show, Vikings? Oh, loved it. Yeah, Ragnar Lothbrok and, like, Lagertha. Great fucking show.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
As you got in the late, I don't know how far you followed it through, but it went into Ivar the Boneless. But all these are historical figures. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fictional, what is it, fictional history or whatever it is, but it is based in some truth, which is fascinating. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I watched a little bit of it. I watched the beginning of it. I don't know what happened. It was really, really good at Genghis Khan. I think you've talked about it. Isn't it one-eighth of the world's population? Ten percent.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Wasn't it? Was it you and I that were talking about if you go back to ancient Mesopotamia, it's only like 50-something humans ago if you base it off people living to be 100.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
and all these other countries where they've said these products aren't safe? Why are we allowing you a mulligan on the U.S. population when it comes to food? And they've never been studied. That's the other wild thing. The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study every time a new ingredient is added to a food source.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And he just did that everywhere he went. They did that in Ireland, too. The British royalty or aristocrats would impregnate the Irishmen on the night of their wedding. They would impregnate their wives. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's what Braveheart was about.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He came back, and I'm blanking out on his name, but fought for the Irish because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British noble-born instead of Irish people. Oh, my God.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you look at it, they didn't really get into it in the movie, but when we did Europe, we did a tour where they were breaking down how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him. William Laws? Oh my God, it's brutal.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the FDA's attempt to try and regulate and rein in big industry like big pharma and big medical. And I know I've told your listeners for over 90 percent of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial. It's it was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose. And I just think they're drowning.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I will tell you, I know you had him on, but Empire of the Summer Moon, I'm so excited for that to come out as a series. Who's directing it?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And then he also leases the horses and the livestock and all of that to Paramount. Oh, that's smart. Yeah, and his ranch he leases to Paramount, which is brilliant because he is a real cowboy with real cowboys that he, and I also love that he casts real cowboys into the subsidiary roles or the supporting roles of the shows.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, if you watch him on a horse when he's doing all his crazy horse stuff, I mean, it's wild how awesome his horses are that he's trained.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It just shows the reality of how hard life was. Yeah. I mean, it was brutal for everyone. For everyone there. Like, God, it was brutal times.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail in elementary school or that's what they had when I was in elementary school and you I would always die of syphilis or dysentery. I would never survive dysentery or what was it? Dysentery and or you get killed by Indians or whatever it is. But you look at how statistically unlikely it is that we're all here. Right.
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And I got to believe it's for a reason. We got to be here for something, right? We got to be in. And I don't want us to squander.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
plan it all out people say so often that like eating healthy working out it's expensive it takes time but being chronically ill is way more expensive way more takes way more time and you you have to choose your heart but there is no path that's just going to be a cakewalk
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I think there's a lot of. industry influence and spit being swapped that can skew decisions and viewpoints. And that's dangerous. It is dangerous.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Just give it a try. Even walking. Casey has a stat she'll drop on you. I don't remember the numbers, so I won't even attempt, but just walking a few days a week, maybe four days a week. Especially after food. It's insane, the difference in all-cause mortality risk and reduction in chronic disease.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, after the age, I think it's after the age of 65, one of your greatest risk factors is a fracture. If you fracture a hip or vertebrae, you have between a 15% and 35% chance of being dead within a year. Oh, my God. It's one of the greatest risk factors.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And think about it because your body has to recover and rebuild and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years. But surgery from older people is rough too. So if you stay active and keep muscle and keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked about. If we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s to your 30s to your 40s.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We know your family history. You're a petite girl. You're going to experience a decline in bone mineral density. We've got to get ahead of that. One of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health Initiative, scaring them out of hormone optimization for women.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it terrified women, telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these things, which ends up being the opposite. And it did a huge disservice to women that created indirectly a rise in osteoporosis and osteopenia. But one of the companies that was funding that was Merck. And Merck sells an osteoporosis drug.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They have a blockbuster osteoporosis drug called Fosamax that they printed money on during that time frame.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so it's hard because they do say trust the science, and I'm not telling people don't trust the science. Trust but verify. Let's keep honest people honest.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That he was intentionally saying that he was being funded to say those things. Yes. And mislead the public.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, and it makes total sense because, again, not to say – when you're in it, you think you're doing right. I don't think that people are out there trying to harm humanity. I don't. I really want to hope that's not the case. But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using this brilliant mental health drug off-label –
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor. And I'm sitting there and the doctor's like, where else can I use this drug? You're like, do I tell him what that guy from Harvard told me? Because I also signed a contract that said I wouldn't. But then the company taught me all that and put me in this environment.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it's like a wink, wink, nod, nod. And the pressure is to grow the patient population on a drug. That's why GLP-1s went from being for diabetic, obese people to... Now let's help people lose weight for spring break. Real quick. Fast. Real quick. And it got accepted fast. That's what's scary.