Boston Rob Mariano
Appearances
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. I don't like any security surprises.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But isn't Mormon wives only an hour long and bachelors too?
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Did you have to put your shoes on for that, or did you already have your shoes on, ready to go?
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's really hard.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Which one was worse, out loud or the whisper?
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But wait, this sounds like, could all of this have been avoided? Had you just gotten the water in the remote? Literally. Literally.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They also have Amazon places at Whole Foods and whatnot where you can pick up stuff at a locker.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't think he needs it. I love it when she says that.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, one in six companies are hesitant to hire recent college graduates.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, in August, Intelligent.com surveyed 966 business leaders involved in hiring decisions at their company to explore attitudes towards hiring recent Gen Z college graduates. 75% of companies report that some of all of their recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory. Some or all.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Six in 10 companies fired a recent college graduate they hired this year. Nine in 10 hiring managers say recent college graduates should undergo etiquette training. A majority of companies, 79%, report that they had to place at least some of their underperforming hires on performance improvement plans. And 60% report some were eventually fired.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
He posted a photo too with a friend in the same room with the same headboard, same carpet.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I feel like it kind of sounds like a little on point though that she would want a man that accessorizes. And also, I just need to clarify, he doesn't work for the Eagles. He's a senior vice president of football marketing at Clutch Sports.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's not subtle.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, I feel like Craig's taller. Yeah, this man looks smaller. Paige is very tiny.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And she might be wearing wedges, but the fact that that's her in heels and that says that.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
In other interesting news, I guess, Mormon wives, Jen Affleck, pregnant.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's a little shocking.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I was not expecting that.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But it's weird because it's like their social media presence very much makes it like,
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Possibly divorce.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
She got a new apartment, was being videoed with no ring, and then not posting at all, falling off the face of the earth. And then it was just like, here's an ad every once in a while. Didn't expect the next thing to be like, an apprentice.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yep.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's like state by state, but I know in California, I think it's within three years of you purchasing it that they have to disclose it. And I think if you ask or if you inquire about it, that they have to disclose.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Have you seen the Summer House trailer yet? There's a scene of Paige and Craig at dinner and like you can tell it's a heated conversation and she's just like, what am I supposed to apologize for being independent and like unsuccessful saying like they clearly don't want the same things. But it's like I think, yeah, we're seeing this the beginning of it.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And then we're going to start seeing that phase where it's like you're trying to talk yourself into it, but also don't have the energy to like pretend.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Who is this man? Joe D'Amelio. Joe D'Amelio.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
He works in sports marketing for the NFL.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Well, there you go.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I don't know what else you could think it was.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Starting Friday, Valentine's Day.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. P.K.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It sounds like PK is trying to get divorced quicker because he's trying to not go over the 10 years.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And he said.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, this is what he said. That was said on the show that he was that he texted her saying, like, I want you to be able to take over the house and the kids, whatever it is, within like the next couple of months that you're fully responsible for it. And that's a text message that he sent to Dorit. Hmm.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So that says to me, like, I'm trying to separate our finances, trying to separate any responsibility that I have with you. So therefore, we are separated going straight into divorce. At the same time, I don't know if it's possible because I feel like getting a divorce in California is, like, one of the harder things to move along. Like, I feel like it's always, like, a year or so out.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah, but you can't get, like, an expedite on divorce. Right.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Gotta be. They got married in New York March of 2015 and separated in May of 2024.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Rose told Carolina that Grant told her that he was thinking of her while he was on stage with Carolina. Carolina went to Grant, didn't say that Rose told him, but by process of elimination, he figured out that Rose told Carolina this, went to confront Rose to where Rose said, I could have sworn I heard you say that. Now, there is a clip resurfacing.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
He also has, this is, Dorit will be his second ex-wife.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
He has. You might be onto something. He has a wife, an ex-wife and three children with somebody else that he also only stayed married to for nine years, but she's in England. No. So I don't think they have the same like statute of limitations, but yeah, he stayed married.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Three. All right. He's got two kids with Dorit and three with his ex-wife.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You know, somebody's got a partner.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But I still kind of think mine and Leia's theory was kind of right, though. I think how he's saying it versus how she heard it. I'm really holding back from saying I told you so. Two different things.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
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The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So that's the thing, and I don't want to nerd out on you, but you can go into the different levels of the metagame, and it will go beyond. And if you have someone that's just showing up for this experience... They're almost like wild cards. They don't want to participate in that. So then you have to find out how does that factor into the equation?
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I found it interesting that like I was able to bond and become friends with people outside of the reality gamer space. And to me, that was like one of the biggest takeaways, you know, becoming friends with Dylan. They didn't really show it a lot, but I worked really well with Chris Shell and Nikki and even Sierra.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
To take a relationship with people that don't have that background and figure out how to utilize it within the game without them knowing that you're doing that takes a special skill set that I've been able to do for a lot of years, so I feel like I'm good at it.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
The converse to that is someone like Bob the Drag Queen, who has no gamer background, but he is so super smart and really good at identifying, you know, the psychology of different people. And I was able to witness that firsthand and I was really impressed by it. Right up until the point where he pointed the target at me. But yeah, it's interesting.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And in previous seasons, you've seen it with like Phaedra really good at strategy and stuff. So it's weird to see the crossover. And at the same time, sometimes the gamers kind of like fall short when they enter the castle where they might be great in their respective individual games.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. So the turret right now is a mess and I fully own it. Like I know that I caused that whole thing. It's a disaster. It really is. And just the lack of trust. You know, it's supposed to be a game where the traders are against the faithful, and this season it's the traders against the faithful and the traders against each other.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And when you have three people, and even four really with Bob, but people that really understand As I said before, the metagame, you see not only just the game on its surface trying to stay away from the faithful, but also who do you want to bring to the end? And you see the alliances and you see all of that working.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So it's such a mess that I don't know if they're going to be able to put their differences aside and work together. I don't. And as far as who I think is playing a good game under the radar, you know, Dylan, he's great. He was so perceptive at first. I mean, he's had some misfires, you know. He's focused on Gabby. Gabby's another one.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
She thinks Carolina was being messy and added herself where Rose was just saying, like, I was thinking of you while I was dancing on stage. And then Carolina adds in while I was dancing with Carolina. Like, I think she's saying that Rose is saying it in like the general context of how Grant said it and that Carolina is hearing it as a personal dig to her.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
She's playing really low-key and pretending like she doesn't care and doesn't know what's going on. But I think she's more perceptive than she's leading on to be.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
we knew you were a trader from home and even sometimes you would start you would start to give your spiel and i'm like he's not he's not he's convincing no it's a good question uh i have always been really good like in the moment and like you know quick-witted i think growing up in boston working in construction like you you catch a lot of when you're on the on the construction sites and you better be sharp and figure it out
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So I never really planned anything. Like, truthfully, even Derek coming at me, that was a complete surprise. I didn't expect him to come at me. But something that happened previously helped me to defend against that. And I'll discuss that in a second. But to directly answer your question, you have to understand your audience, right? So like different people, I would need to appeal to differently.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And I think that just comes from like years of experience of playing with people, playing these games, but also having self-awareness to know what different people needed. Some people that were more emotional, you had to appeal to their emotional side. Other people like Tom, you'd have to appeal to his ego. Other people like Ivor and Sam, you'd have to appeal to their logic.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So I had, would have to figure out an argument depending on what the question was asked or how it was going to go one way or the other with Bob, the drag queen, they cut a lot of it out. But like I started that, you know, like, um, I didn't really want to have to go after him so early.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But once I saw that he pointed out like the guys in the cages, personally, I was like, man, he's got to go because I got to get him before he gets me. In hindsight, maybe I didn't have to do it that exact day, but I had already started to spread it around the castle. And when I did, you know, I can't like put the lid back on it. It's out now.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And truthfully, that roundtable was going towards Sierra and Nikki. And I'm the one that kind of steered it towards Bob. But in the moment when I did, I came at him and I came at him hard and I knew I had to like get him. I had to be hardcore about it. And it was a lot more than you guys saw. It was a lot of back and forth.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But at one point, as I'm accusing him, he turns it around and he says, and you're saying that about me, but it applies to you. And I stopped him. I was like, you see that? That's the mirror technique where someone tries to turn it right back on you.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So fast forward to when Derek accuses me, I think he thought I was going to turn it back around and come at him and he was going to use my mirror stuff against him. But really quickly in the moment, I realized that by doing that, it would be a huge mistake. So his argument was that one of the three of us were going to be one of the three of us from the cages were going to be a traitor.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I agreed with him. I said, Derek, I think you're right. I think one of the three of us is a traitor. And I actually don't think it's you. And I pointed it towards Wes. And Wes was completely not expecting that. And then his reaction set off a chain reaction of events.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I know. Crazy. Jesus.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I mean, a lot of times you can logically figure out people that would be faithful so you can make a case for it. And I actually did this season with a few of the people, and that's why they're not being looked at. For example, in the very first roundtable, Bob the Drag Queen voted for Ivor.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I made the argument that now that we know that Bob the Drag Queen is a traitor, there's no way that Ivor could be a traitor. Because logically, a traitor wouldn't vote for a traitor the very first night, and that other traitor would be okay with it. So Ivor's now vindicated. So why isn't Ivor being killed? Right. So it makes sense that he's a faithful.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And I literally exonerated him with with these statements. Now, I could have, like, gone a step further and been like, well, why is he still here? Why is he still here? And I was like, well, maybe he is a traitor. You know, and that's why I like that was the other way I was going to go against instead of going against Britney. Or I could have gone against Danielle that night.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
There's so much more to the meta when you understand the rules. So we're at the point where if we get another traitor now, we have to recruit. And everybody thinks, or if they think I'm a faithful, I am also the number one person that would be recruited. So now I got to try to keep this mess of a turret together. And it just doesn't make sense.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So I think to go back and answer your question, I know I did in a roundabout way. I think sometimes it's the perception of you just get a feeling. Sometimes somebody is doing some groundwork to make you feel a certain way. I know Sierra was definitely shocked that I was a traitor when I finally stood up and said I was. But I did so much groundwork to make her think differently.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
that I was a faithful between like the logic and the reasoning. I used her example of being placed in the casket because I knew she was a faithful and was like, they're trying to frame me the same way they're trying to frame you. And, you know, in her mind, she's like, yeah, that makes sense. You're absolutely not. You can't be, they're doing it to you too.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So when you can put yourself in the position of that other player and find some relatability and, then you almost will convince yourself of it. I mean, a lot of it's psychology, but a lot of it is also just common human interactions with other people and relationships that they have. You don't want to believe the person that you trust is tricking you.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's more like introducing characters or like reminding you who, what season people are from, but not like as evidence.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Because if you do, then you have to literally... admit that you were wrong. And like, people don't like to admit they're wrong. They don't like to admit that they're convictions. I mean, if they did, like everybody's relationships would be great, right? The first thing you do is you defend your position. And if your position comes from a place of internal conviction, Like, forget it.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You just crushed yourself.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. The next thing you know, you got to go to Vegas and get hugs in the hallway with your buddy.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
That video is so cute by the way.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Uh, I did. I, I mean, Dylan and I have been friends and been in touch since we filmed this last summer. Uh, he's good. And, um, I did reach out to Sierra, to Bob the Dragon, like everybody, you know, and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody at the reunion. You know, it's tough. It's also like I've been playing these games for 22, 23 years.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So I have a unique perspective that a lot of people don't. And I can go and play and I realize it's a part of my life. It's something that I've done. It's not my life, even though like collectively, I guess it is. But like, I'm OK. You know what I'm saying? After the fact.
The Viall Files
E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I mean, I thought I was retired, you know, and then, and then about a year ago, they called me for this deal on no deal Island. And then, I did this. And it's weird because, like, I always thought I would transition to hosting something. Like, I really, like, I thought, like, that would be the evolution.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But it's funny, the last couple of years, I've enjoyed playing so much again that I wonder, like, if I were hosting a show, if I would just, you know, become frustrated with not being able to compete. I think I've got to figure out some way to do some kind of a hybrid thing where I'm actually still actively doing something, like play or coach or something. Yeah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah, it was wild. I mean, a different strategy, different experience for me because usually when I'm on an island, I'm starving and suffering and not eating. This was like the banker's island. It was very luxurious. They took care of us. At the same time, the strategy to that game is much different than Survivor in that there's so much that you can't control.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
you know, like similar to trader, like traders was probably the hardest, like not the physically, the hardest survivors of physically the hardest, but like strategically and mentally traders was beyond. And I think just because of the sheer number of people, like trying to manage 23 people versus only 10 people on a tribe or 12 on deal and no deal, it became, uh, uh,
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
really challenging, even for someone like myself that's been doing it a long time.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It's true. And in Deal or No Deal, like with Survivor, like you really rely on your strategy and your social game to get you to the end and potentially to win, you know, based on how you treat the other people, you know, to base, to vote on the jury.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
With Deal or No Deal, there are parts of it where you can control your fate and your outcome, whether it's in the challenges or how you treat people at the camp. But there's also a huge element of luck, like what goes on in the banker's temple, right? And at first, when they told me the premise of the game, they didn't give us the rules till we got there.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And I looked at it and I was like, man, this is terrible. And they said, why? And I said, the problem is you're giving so much power to the people on the bottom. The people that do the worst, all they have to do is win a coin flip against the banker. And if they do, they have all the power to eliminate someone else.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And I was just like, man, I can't believe you brought me all the way out here for this. And it's a lot. And then as time went on, I realized like, man, this was actually genius. This was actually like a...
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
like just like a little a little bit of like how life is you know like there's so much you think that's actually in your control but really so much of it is left to chance yeah and really in order to live in that game you got to be willing to die you got to put your life on the line and risk it to play the banker that's the only way you actually have control and it's like
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
So true of real life that like, you know, nothing comes just from playing it safe all the time. Once in a while, you got to take a chance, right?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Did I really lose, bro?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
You know, at this point, I think she would probably tell me, keep your mouth shut, try to be, but she knows me too well. I'm just going to do what I'm going to do. So there was no discussion.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
No, she loved it. You know, my kids are old enough now. I have teenage daughters. It's so fun because, like, you know, I'm embraced in, like, being a dad. I'm in that role where I'm really embarrassing them, you know, when I use the word sus incorrectly. It's so cringe. It's so much fun to, like, you know, to do a show like this and let them kind of watch it.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And, you know, it's a fun family thing now.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
They loved it. You know, they loved it. They're obviously, you know, this week I wasn't here. I was with some friends on a golf trip, but they were disappointed, you know, that it was over. But like, you know, it's a good teaching lesson, too. It's like you don't always have to win to get something out of it. And overall, it's just like a really positive experience for me.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I was just wondering if you won brownie points with your girls going on vacation with Dylan.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Oh, when I went to play golf with Dylan. Yeah, I mean, I'm the worst. I didn't know about his brother and the whole high school musical. And I think that's probably why we're really good friends. But they're a little young for it. But everybody else thinks Dylan's really cute, right? Yeah, he's so cute.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I could kind of believe, too, that maybe it's a little like one upping, like where they're just kind of like, oh, yeah, well, I had this special moment. Like, oh, my God, well, my special moment or whatever. And that's what I'm saying is that maybe one person didn't take things personally where the other person did.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
22.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah. If you do come over, just know you will be asked to get the water. Right, right, right.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
oh the like from a from exactly how you understood it from like a 7-eleven no they'll they have just a large water cup that they share between the two of them oh it's for every meal not on either side on one side for every meal
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
It blows my mind every time they say it. It's crazy.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I put on a sleep timer and Michael Scott talks me to sleep every night.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Yeah.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
I can see how it's annoying, but also I'm like, you just got off of a private jet Vegas date. He's literally like hearing you out and like giving you all of this attention and validation.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Who started what?
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
How? She came home.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
Carolina spiraled.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
But you don't know what Carolina said to Rose to where Rose felt comfortable to say that to Carolina and Rose didn't spiral, but Carolina did.
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E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules
And we also know that Carolina not only spiraled, said she never went on her one-on-one with Grant because this comment broke her down so much.