Bomani Jones
Appearances
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It's not adult to be super sensitive to disrespect.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I'm asking you where the lines are is because we can agree over the weekend a player threw a football in the face of another player who wasn't wearing a helmet after a play. Hit him in the face. We can all agree that that is a penalty, but we can't all agree on
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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what is over celebration we can't because we've been doing it for 30 years in baseball and everywhere else we don't all agree on where over celebration is that's not something that comes with consensus agreement and i'm generally against the very idea of forbidding and bringing more rules to sports bringing a whole bunch more rules to sports i think there are degrees on what is over celebration but i do think that there's a general understanding on what is unsportsmanlike in sports
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I don't believe it's a straw man that we all agree on what unsportsmanlike is. You love a program where people have been arguing for 30 years about whether your entire University of Miami program is unsportsmanlike. And those Miami players didn't agree with you that it was unsportsmanlike.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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And I'm sure the Colorado players wouldn't agree with you that everything they were doing to Oklahoma State on... Saturday was unsportsmanlike because we've gotten numb to that particular disrespect. That one's so in sports now that you can do the Kai Sinet dance last night in the end zone and nobody's finding any of that disrespectful.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Well, this is the thing, though, that you guys are doing that is super interesting to me, even as and I will say this part again from yesterday. I understand that we don't want the escalation into a fight where someone actually gets hurt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I have, however, been consistent in the idea of the games to me are more fun and more fun to watch when I've got people clucking at the television about wanting more respect with their games, with their behavior, more respect. I want more respect on the game. And I'm generally like, nah, we don't need to respect all of that that much.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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We respect it plenty already, the way that we behave around all of this. And I sort of, I buck on the idea of we're all aghast watching our television and all of us are like, ooh. That was disrespectful, what they did there, because it's all meant to be entertainment, and you can control both your players and your temper. Like, they have discipline, these athletes, in a lot of other realms.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Greg Cody just said to me, and I don't know what it's about. We'll get to it in a second. I'm so sick of what he did last night. So I'm curious where that's going to end up. I want to delve into a interaction that I had with Lucy, whose stardom is going to her head. I came in today and I'm like, Lucy, I've got a compliment and two bits of constructive criticism.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Like, we're infantilizing them by making them children, but they're asked to be disciplined in a lot of other ways, and in this way, they can't be asked to be disciplined.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Again, we're watching professional sports now, and you're watching professional entertainment. That's what college football is with a governing body that is weak and trying to figure out the rules as it goes along.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Give me the context so that Greg can hear it of where it is that it sounded like somebody stepped on a goose. Give me all of the contacts. That is Rose at the bottom of the scrum. Lucy, I don't think it's right the way that you continue to laugh. I think that's disrespectful. I don't care. I know. Yeah, there you go. We have a different definition of disrespect there, and you don't care.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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And I just planted my flag on you laughing at your friend is disrespectful, and you don't care. It's going to lead to a fight.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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You make it sound like we're going to leave the Today Show as a bad thing, and I just sort of disagree.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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This is why you sound like Judd Apatow after Chris Rock got slapped.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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And her response to me was, I'll take only the compliment. That's how you do it. And Billy, I can't believe what I just heard. And it's where I need to start. That felt like heartfelt gratitude from Stu Gatz as close as he can come to sincerity when he just said to you right before we started. thank you for your betting advice last night.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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The reason that America is in the place it is right now in terms of divisions, almost more than any other, is someone's going to take offense. And then the person who's offended that person is saying, that's not offensive to me. It's only offensive to you. You're taking away my freedom.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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But it's usually people making the rules for the employees who don't think very much like the employees, don't look like the employees, didn't have the same experience as the employees, the ones making the rules. Not necessarily in this case, but in too many of the cases.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Okay, well, we're having a problem with Rose, and I thank you for this, because Rose is at the hospital right now, and she has been injured by this pepper spray incident. And I think, is Izzy with her right now? Is he doing some sideline reporting? Is Izzy going to interview her, or am I interviewing Rose? What is happening here? Rose, can you tell me what it is that's happening here with you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Okay, so what happened?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It's always the other eye. It moved to the other eye. So you got pepper sprayed in the left eye, but you've got an eye patch on your right eye.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Eyebone is going to get the eyebone, yeah. All right, so, and how are you feeling right now?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Bruising her knee. All of your faculties are lost. I don't think that's accurate. I believe you're overstating things that you've lost all of your faculties. You're speaking to us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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She doesn't get to appraise it however she wants factually. She got pepper spray. She can say whatever she wants.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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He was thanking you because you gave him some bets, and he went 3-0 last night, and he's just taking your Billy's Big Board bets from the award-winning God Bless Football, which is making the next stop in its American tour in Miami, the first stop that is in Miami of any kind, but the next stop in God Bless Football's American tour is...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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That's right. That's why they're calling you. I suspect the lawyers will think that Metal Ark is liable. Thank you, Rose, for your work. Anything else we need to know about the incident? Any information that Lucy did not bring us because she was too busy laughing and pointing at you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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You feel betrayed by Lucy? How did you feel when you looked up through your eyes and couldn't see but could hear Lucy just laughing at you? She was also pointing at you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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So two players from Michigan rushed to your aid?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Sweaty towels. Okay, they're sweaty towels. That's very nice. But all of this was happening. How did you feel about Lucy explaining that she has a coping mechanism that when she's scared and uncomfortable, she just laughs?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Okay. Well, you can sue her too, but you're not talking about that right now. We'll see what the lawyers say.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Poverty damage. Thank you, Rose. Get out to wherever it is that Tony is. We have to check in with him for the top five. We're going to keep you working.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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i know but we need to get you over to where it is that tony is so get out of that hospital check yourself out pull the wires out of your arms and get over and produce tony wherever he is please thank you oh wow okay very heroic yes she is whipping out that eye seems to be in better shape than you allege that it was faculties are back she has now got her faculties back uh
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I thought that Izzy was going to be the sideline reporter on that. I don't know what happened there.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Do you have any other sound that can get us a bit of a sorbet?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Generally speaking. Take me back to the beach. Please. Generally speaking, the joke doesn't work when you have to explain to us with words and your arm what it is you were trying to do with a windshield wiper there. Greg, wake up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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is Sunday for Jets Dolphins where we will be gathering to enjoy football together as a show. What was the gratitude that he was showing you? Did you have the overs last night? Did you have a lot of betting overs last night? Is that what happened on the football game?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Flag Planting Leads To Death
Let's go back to the beach and the only one of those three that worked. I don't know what kind of judgment you're using.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Yeah, get out of here. You've been playing that sound way too much. That's so good, though. Because you can't be controlled.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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All you have to do is listen to your own show, Stu.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I will say this is a big week for Stugats in a number of different ways. On Thursday, he and Greg Cody will be going to a church to sign copies of their book because their following is so large that they don't fit in a bookstore. On Sunday, God Bless Football lands... At a Christmas mall. Vivo.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Flag Planting Leads To Death
You've got Stugatz, God bless football, Billy and all of us really are doing a watch party for Jets and Miami Dolphins. And I believe somewhere in everything that we are doing that all of this is going to the head of publishing giant Stugatz. And yesterday, Mike, I will tell you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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That Stu Gatz left here disappointed and saying that Mike Ryan failed to give us and the audience what it is that we wanted yesterday. Because all season around the University of Miami, you have been in tone, reasonable and not prudent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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publicly just unhinged like you have been on the heat for several seasons and Stugatz felt like we were denied what people came here for yesterday, which was to feel University of Miami football pain on a game that Greg Cody is calling an epic An epic embarrassment is what Greg Cody says it is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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He was also talking about having both Gadsden's on.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Alabama 1-3 against bowl teams this year.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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He's joining us today. He's going to be on with us. But you mentioned Nick Bakai. Can I classify him as a great television writer? Because I feel like I can. He's a great comedy writer and I think he's a great television writer.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Avoided Vanderbilt. I'll never get used to that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It was 24-7. Greg, you've been wanting to get in here for a while.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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He was. Nick Buckeye was a weekly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I will tell you what's happening here, which is funny. Billy's face, the entire in the corner there, feels like he's been eating lemons. This entire conversation, tremendous for college football. They don't want this to ever end. They don't want a clarity. They don't want something that is actually clear.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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less nebulous than this because this is the most profitable way to do it we're going to get sad with army navy here because it's going to be a month of no college football and then the bulls are going to come back and arguing is a bigger sport in america right now than college football just arguing is a bigger sport and what has happened here to mike from yesterday to today yesterday when he's saying they don't deserve to be in today saying they deserve to be in is because what has officially begun now
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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But how and why would Nick Bakai be a weekly guest on our show? He would show up weekly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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is the real season for how do I get into this bowl game. Everybody trying to formulate the argument because you know what they've turned college football into? Debate.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It's debate television.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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If you guys had told me before we started today, Dan, you have to be right with your answer or there are dire consequences. So take this question seriously. Has Nick McKay ever been on your show? My answer would have been no. Really? Wow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Flag Planting Leads To Death
Yeah, of course. It predates people speaking words. There is no recorded history of this. Nick McKay and Dave Cotterman is a weekly guest. And there's just no way that happened. Maybe I'd be willing to grant you that he was on a time or two. But a weekly guest my ass. He was given picks. That is not something that happened around here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Kind of, yeah. He was also our betting expert, though, because he does gamble a lot. Like, if he was on with us at all, it would have been as our betting expert.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It's not coming back to me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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That would have been, well, because the reason I was denying that he was ever on with us is because I'm like, I wouldn't have a comedy writer on just because I don't know all of his work and I'm not necessarily a fan of being able to speak to you what he's done that is the best thing he's done. It's a talking cat. I just know he's a very good writer and he used to write a gambling column for ESPN.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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So now that you mentioned that, we may have gone to him for gambling expertise on an occasion, but not weekly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I don't believe that we had a funnier moment on yesterday's show than all the time that Lucy spent with braying laughter in the face of a pepper sprayed colleague, friend and employee of Metal Art Rose, who has now risen to national attention because she got pepper sprayed. during the Michigan-Ohio State game.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Guys, go ahead and just put in the corner of the screen what is in the preview right now of Jameis Winston before the game being introduced. I just want to talk about Jameis Winston in a second because that whole experience last night is the Jameis experience. Everyone in the world knows you can't go full Jameis. Don't go full Jameis. That's what happens when you go full Jameis.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It's going to be four touchdowns, three interceptions. He throws for 5,000 yards. It's 30 touchdowns, 30 interceptions. You go 7-9, 7-10.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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It is, but you're going to lose. It is amazing to see that offense look that way when you just say, screw it. When you just say, look, it's not going to be Deshaun Watson checking down four-yard passes, holding the ball too long anymore. It's just Jameis is going to drop back, and he's not going to be afraid of anything. We'll get to that in just a second, though.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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But I have in our database some sound, I am told, that is Rose making the honking sound that she made when she was pepper-sprayed yesterday. I am... It's funny, right? Give me the entire sound. So we have some of the earlier sound that is sort of ambient noise and explain how we got there. Because Bomani Jones, Mike Ryan now has an ally in Bomani Jones. He wants more rules.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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He wants to forbid violence. flag planting throughout sports and Mike Ryan is very pleased to have an ally here because he was feeling a little bit alone on everybody on the internet just shouting him down yesterday saying if you don't want them to plant the flag on your field don't let them win on your field. Or get turf.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Greg, forgive me, because one of the things that happens on Tuesday is you sometimes cover ground that we already covered the day before because you haven't listened to the previous day's show. So I'm going to cut you off before we get stuck in this quicksand again.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I'm just going to tell you the part that I disagree with that Bomani said we all agree with, even though the numbers suggest this season that if that's the disrespect, it is going to end in a fight. We don't actually have to agree that that disrespect works. always ends in a fight. I understand the way that we all are really precious about the culture of this sport, but it's a stupid symbolism.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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You can take it as disrespect if you want, and it can escalate to the place that you fight, but in my experience, I'm not handling a situation like that, that arrives with that kind of disrespect, immediately with a fight.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I understand that I'm dealing with different kinds of people in a different setting, and I understand how it escalates to a fight, but I'm not agreeing with the premise that that disrespect has to immediately result in a fight.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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You can expect human beings to show a modicum, a modicum of I'm not going to resort to violence because of the symbolic stupid act of disrespect. Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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So let's do it this way. If we can all agree, spitting in the face. taking your husband or wife, those are greater disrespects. I'm asking you, where the hell is the line on this? Because you're telling me it's flag planting. I'm like, no, it's not. Spinning in the face? Yeah, okay, I can agree with you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I'm saying that the act as a symbol is stupid and only in the stupidity of this particular cauldron is it going to be viewed as that kind of a disrespect because of everything that everyone's doing and because of all the war terminology that's around this culture, The idea of protecting the home court has to be protected with violence. It's stupid. It's not grown up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Why do they call you Chick-fil-A? I sold when we played in Philadelphia. I missed two free throws. Four straight. Four straight free throws. I think I fed the whole city of Philadelphia.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Last year, he shot 29% from the free throw line and couldn't think of a better person at the free throw line because if he misses this, all the fans are going to get some chicken. Oh, he did it on purpose. The fans are happy, but the Cavs get the basketball back. Did he do it on purpose? I wouldn't be surprised. He's the man of the people. The man of the people.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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And so for me, it was great. But then it becomes like, all right, man, I got to get something that comes close to that again.
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Like I got cool with Ta-Nehisi Coates over the years. And what I admire about him is. He's done comic books. He's done novels. He has done things, by his own admission, that could have gone wrong, but he needs that. He needs that feeling that this might not go, because otherwise you're not pushing yourself to the place that you want to be.
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If you were given more time, do you think you would have made that show work in the way that you really wanted it to work? Or did you arrive there already? I think we could have gotten better. I think that we were largely in the places that we wanted to be, but I would have gotten better. Like... I am not a comedian.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Like, when I first had the meetings with the people about it and I looked at their deck, the way I sold them on the show was I was like, look, man, this deck is for a comedian. I am not a comedian. Right. But I am the person for this show. And so it was a matter of learning how to bridge the gap.
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And so I'm working with all these stand-ups who write for the show, and I got a coach that comes in and helps me. And I was improving at what we were doing because, like, we did – 16 episodes of Game Theory. That means I had the opportunity to do that literally 17 times. A test shoot, and then you can't do an episode without turning the clock on. So the only episodes are the ones you see.
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That's exactly right. They thought they were going to ruffle my feathers, but I was unruffled because it was a ridiculous claim that they love football more than me. Everybody knows it's not true.
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So that means there's no practice.
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So we were getting better. We just did TV the year that they literally stopped making television. Right. Writer Strike, merger of the company, everything else. Yeah. They just stopped making television. But no, man, it was great. I don't mean to stay on memory lane on that.
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Well, I need to write a book. I got an idea for a book. Do you realize I'm not going to lie to you? That was a moment that I said to myself, dude, come on, man. You know what I'm saying? No disrespect, but the gods beat you to the book, right? I don't know how Dan comes to work every day with that knowledge, right? I'm one of the best sports writers of my generation. And here's the author.
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Thank you. That's when you start specifying this. Author, John Wiener. Thank you. Best-selling author. That's right. That's right. Publisher. Yes, publisher. Ed McCaffrey quickly corrected him. He's like, did you actually write it? He's like, well, no. He's like, so you published the book. I admire you for telling him the truth. Thank you.
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Because you definitely did not just tell it to me. No, I did not.
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I'm not mad. It's like that Emmy I got. I didn't win it. I got it. You probably wrote more for Seagas' book than he did.
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Well, first of all, I have to say that both of us should be... deathly offended by the idea that they were afraid. And I'm trying to remember who exactly was afraid. It started with Dan, I think. But even then, I'm looking at that like, buddy, I don't know how to break this to you, but I do this. Number one, I do this. Number two, you've been doing this for quite a long time.
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Now, number three, I think the part that they were probably most afraid of, which did come to fruition to a certain degree, was like, are these guys going to be talking about weed? And the answer was, if it comes up, Yeah, and it came up. It did. It did indeed. Often. It did. Hey, man, you know. No, that was a – I do remember doing that show. That was a good one.
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See, the thing that people don't realize is that early on – I don't know if you guys – I guess you probably talked about this in a roundabout, but not specifically. But early on when it came to ESPN, Skipper had the bright idea that he was going to switch me in for you to do that radio show. And all three of us were like, no, that is not a good idea at all.
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at all we're not uh-uh uh-uh but at the same time i was kind of like i bet i would have got a raise yeah you would have yeah i would have got a raise but somebody would have died yeah i don't know which person would have died wait so you're taking me out of the equation it's just you and dan me and dan going from doing a tv show to doing a radio show totally somebody would have died but it's just been all day right it'd have been all day of me being cold
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You know? Yeah. Like, y'all still keep the office deathly cold? It's not as bad, but the Clevelander was freezing. Yeah. Just check it. I remember the first day. It's a bit warmer at the L-City. Well, the air is always broken. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I had a day I came into the Clevelander, like when we first got there, and I was like, cool, I'll wear shorts to work. And I was in pain. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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is I had this great misunderstanding about the dynamic of this show where I thought it was a show where everybody made jokes about everybody only to realize it was actually a show where Dan made jokes about everybody and everybody made jokes about you. And then I come in here trying to play along and people over there getting their feelings hurt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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And I was just like, hey, you guys want to talk about some other stuff? But no, you are correct. I come to shoot. Are you saying we're a sensitive group? Because I'm not, for sure. You are not. I am saying that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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You honestly can. It's a little worrisome, to be honest. It's healthy. It's not healthy at all. I'm just saying I showed up and I realized some things landed with different people in ways that I did not feel I was getting the benefit of the doubt for having a little levity with the situation. Maybe my hands are heavy. You know what I mean? But that was a time.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Did you enjoy it that time? I did. It was the fit. Like I always said, I took up a little bit too much space. For people who enjoy the notion of chaos, my time there made sense. But I was fully aware of the fact that the fit wasn't exactly the most perfect. And God bless Dan because he was trying to work in my stuff. with y'all stuff, like having my guy Mike come in and stuff like that.
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And you know I tried to back off a lot when you came in.
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Yeah, we were just dancing to a different beat. The irony of it all is my chemistry with you in a radio sense is much better than my chemistry with Dan in a radio space. But that ain't how that dynamic y'all got works. Y'all got a with show. So we couldn't, you know, we couldn't just slide it in there. That was, I think, the part that people realized when we did that show together.
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I would love to promote football. But, like, I would also really love to just get a product. Yeah. And any question, I'd be viewed as probably the worst guest ever.
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Oh, no, we actually have a little bit more of similar wavelength.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I just. I come to shoot. I readily acknowledge.
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But if you tell me it's my team, I will distribute. It's kind of like Kyrie Irving type basketball. If you tell Kyrie he's in charge, you'll give people the ball. If somebody else is in charge, just let me know you're ready for me to shoot.
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I put this thing up. Why did you bring me here to set picks? I always looked at it like, hey, Bomani's here. I don't have to do as much today. This is great. To be honest, that's what Dan realized about the television show when I got there. He was like, oh, wait a minute. There's somebody that doesn't mind doing responsible things? Sure. I'll go first on this topic if you think it's best.
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I don't have that much Super Bowl experience.
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I felt so bad about that. They came across town. I'm like, I need to go in five minutes. No, no, no. We were just walking anyway. My thing I always say about New Orleans is there's two ways to look at New Orleans. It would be awful if it wasn't so awesome, or it would be awesome if it wasn't so awful. And I lean in on the awesome part.
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Man, you know, do a little Super Bowl partying here and there.
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I had an invitation to a couple. My agent got me on a couple of lists. But no, doing that, it's for me... And I think you guys probably feel a measure of this too. When you do radio or something like that that grounds you in a studio, you don't get that much time to actually be amongst your peers and you don't have the greatest grasp. Not even on who rocks with you, but who even knows who you are.
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Hey, look, Austin Eckler's over there. I'd be viewed as the worst guest ever, but I would just be promoting the product, and I would not ever veer off of the message that we were trying to get across of the product.
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Correct. And so it's kind of affirming for me to have these moments where I'm walking past and see somebody who I feel is important or that I feel good about in that way. And they see, and I hadn't even met them, and they walk up to me with a familiarity that speaks to like a measure of respect.
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And you kind of, you need to, I'm at a place in my life where I could be more honest about the need and the, not so much need, but at least their appreciation. for that kind of affirmation.
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Yeah, you know, like, because I still, I don't do radio anymore because it's hard, but we're radio-ish. Well, not even just radio, but, like, you were talking about your TV, like, journey, I don't think people realize that watch on TV that around the horn, you're sitting in a closet. You're not in a nice TV studio.
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At the Clevelander, it was like a pull-down screen. You're at school, and they used to pull down the map. That's what the background was for around the horn. When I did it from Raleigh, because one of the things that was interesting was they booked it for me like I was going to be doing it for one day when I was there, and then I stuck around for two and a half years. Wow.
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And so it started that I was in this room, and it was a real big deal for the folks at Raleigh because there was a picture behind me of the city. And so their city was getting put on. Like, you look at the cities that were around the horn. They were all very large. They were getting put on. But it was a picture that had the jail in it.
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And so then people kind of requested that maybe they could put a different picture back there. And then as things got better and they got, like, a dedicated fiber optic line or whatever, then they moved me into a bit of a closet. But it was my closet. So I would just keep like three sport coats and three shirts and just rotate them around and do that.
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And then when I got to Miami, yeah, it was it was closet game. And the Cleveland went on to Cleveland. It was the other side of the room. Right. Right. What is the closet? It was the other side of the room. But you are right. Like there is nothing charming. about doing it.
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Well, even in D.C., where, like, Reali was doing the show, like, if you're doing the show from D.C., it was actually in the tape closet.
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Like, you had to go around the camera to go get, like, tape reels and stuff like that if you wanted to use archived footage. No, no, no. You're in the way. So try this. So before they moved... He's so right. But before they moved into the Seaport, it was at the time Square Studio. And that was literally... That felt more like closet than anything. And Reali was in a closet.
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So where Reali used to do the paper toss... He would throw a paper airplane from here to the edge of that table because the room they had him in was that small. Right. Yeah. Then it got to the seaport and everything kind of opened up a little bit. It did open up a bit.
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The thing that was so interesting about the seaport, and I don't remember if anybody's really talked about this, but it was like an office controversy because they didn't build a lot of offices. Clearly, whoever they consulted.
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to build the place they missed out on some details so everybody's just in like this open you know the like walls yeah like but you know like the open seating right yeah that's like when that they were built to when i was like open concept work right great right billy i was doing our show from there and like i was speaking out and like they were bothered by me because i'm screaming because they can hear you through there but the thing about the open table setup is that works for a lot of offices it's a little weird for a bunch of people on television yeah and then it's only a
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A couple of offices, so now one person gets an office, and now another person is jealous of the office, and now an executive is giving up his office because you need to keep the ego straight. Nobody gave a good goddamn if I had an office. Just to be clear, I was sitting there with my troops. I don't know how much they liked it.
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They might have wished I had an office, but there was, like, no office set up. So it was, like, a lot of what went on there, that radio studio you talk about. But I used to do mine from the podcast room. They called it the huddle room. Right. It was just a little closet with a desk. And if I had a guest, somebody would be sitting right there.
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I'm on for football. That idea is great, but also, like... Free football. What if, also, like, I had to just talk about, like... baby wipes the entire time. You know what I mean?
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And then when Stephen A would be doing his radio show in there, especially when somebody did something that made him mad and he'd get charged up. Everybody was hearing that radio show.
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I think it was Greeny, Stephen A. I will never forget this. I guess it's fair to tell this story at this point. It's been long enough. All right.
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uh the first take moved in the office after we had moved in because they didn't start doing that show until like september of 18 from the office and we started in june and i called myself like you know trying to put steven a on game and i'm like hey man you need to you know make sure you get you a good desk you know because this stuff is going fast he's like me oh no i got an office and to me that was a moment that simply said we are not the same
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I have no problem with my place in that hierarchy. But I understood. We are not supposed to try to be a good friend. Hey, you know what? If you want to come eat lunch with us. You guys are ridiculous. I sound it. That's the A, man. You know, I got this 10% off coupon.
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You know, go down to Subway. They give you 10% off. And Stephen A is like, yeah, Subway, y'all. Subway, the Subway, all things that Stephen A. has no concept of in the year of our Lord, 2018, let alone now. Oh, man.
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Look, man, I was here yesterday, and Overtime has a setup right over there, over the bounty paper towel.
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Yes, I had somebody do a fit check with me, and it's my boy, so I did it. But I'm like, do you see my clothes? Do I look like I'm being fashionable? But Overtime got a setup over there, and I walk over there. Travis Hunter is over there hosting his show. Cam Newton as a guest and somebody else. On one hand, so cool. On the other hand, it's a little bananas. He hasn't even played a game.
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God bless him. I'm not mad at him at all, but that's kind of a wild idea and concept. And I want to ask all of them. Like I asked Cameron on Game Theory. He was the last guest that we had. And I was like, it's wild, man. When I was in college, we was all trying to get like you. When did you decide you wanted to get like me?
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And that's when we need to actually start telling all these ballplayers, get like me. Right. They're trying to get like me. They're all trying to get like me. Let me just tell them all, you the one trying to get like me now. What you think. And you think you better. This shit hard, ain't it? You should have just walked over and taken Travis Hunter's seat.
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If you give me a product that I can just talk about, I would love that.
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Let me show you what a pro is. Excuse me, young man. Exactly. Exactly. Come up off that seat. Yes, yes, I am. Call me sir. Yeah, you're doing a great job of sounding younger. Exactly right. I ain't trying to sound younger. See, that's the thing that I got a problem with with people of our age and ilk.
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I put in the work to get here. Correct. Right? Like Black Thought, I've got a lot. A growing-ass man. I done paid my dues. Learned the rules, little homie. You can be one, too. Right. I got here. I'm ready. When does this start paying off? Because I can't do young as well as they do young. I'm not going to get nothing out of that. Right? Oh. He doesn't have a problem with being old, Stugatz.
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He just wants all the benefits of being old.
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What happens? I'm supposed to get a measure of respect and of truly functioning society. Right. Unk, that's just your excuse to act like that. You're not. I'm trying to think of the best way to describe this, but you're not putting anything in when you call me young. You are just calling me old with no respect behind it. I ain't with that.
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They have it easier now. Get in where you fit in. I have no problem with him. That's the thing. I have no reason to hate on these dudes. And most of the athletes that I come across who go into this space care about being good, want to be good, and especially football players. Football players are very coachable, right? And they ask for help and all of this stuff.
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And I have all the respect in the world for anybody that is truly like working. I get a Gerald McCoy show. right over there for Yahoo the other day, and I was so impressed that he's doing a three-camera shoot, and he's like, I'm going to two, I'm going to one, I'm going here. And so, yeah, go ahead and put in that grind.
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What I'm saying is they're getting in this, and it's going like everybody that's ever hosted a radio show where you threw your whole first segment. Two minutes later, your outline is gone. Everybody's ever taught a class. Everybody's ever hosted this. I think a lot of them are getting to learn that the job that we do
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It's way harder than they thought it was, and I do think what it will result in is a certain increased level of respect for the work that we have done and dedicated our lives to. I love that you're looking for that respect as you get older, Bomani. What else do I get out of it?
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Not baby wipes. Yes. Because I feel like at least my current situation, I'm on the way out on the baby wipes, the diapers game.
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It's important to me as well. It really is. My back hurts. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, all of this stuff. The least I could do is get somebody to treat me nice.
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Wow. Diana, Diana dressed like she on Bobby Jones gospel. That's a, that's a, that's a Sunday morning BET fit right there.
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Hey man, here's, I'll tell you about the game. Second time in three years, it's the same people, but the black man can't lose. We got to decide who to root for. We can't just all pick the same person. Right. Okay. Here comes Diana Rossini. Hey there. I think we got one right here. Did you hear what Bobani said? No, it's like BET Sunday morning gospel, your shoes.
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I can't tell which feline pattern that is.
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I feel like it's got more grr in it than peacock.
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Did you shower? No, no, you're good. Did I shower?
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I showered and I shaved. How about that? Wow. I'm a little afraid that I didn't notice when we tipped me off that he didn't shower. Thank you.
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So I feel like I missed my diaper window.
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A diaper endorsement would do nothing for me right now.
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Now, Pampers, if you're coming in with an endorsement and we're going to get free diapers.
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No, I was going to say, if I have to have another kid just to get a diapers endorsement, then maybe it makes sense. I'll have to look at the books, but if a diaper endorsement is coming, then I'll create a child.
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Should I have another kid? It's like, well, I have a diaper endorsement. I need a kid. What am I going to do? Sure.
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Yeah, the same way that you made Shirley Schefter get a phone whatever it is that you said, a phone endorsement, and Adam a phone endorsement. Or on the show. Well, I did get her on the show. But the one. The one time.
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She's a friend. I don't want to bother her.
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I know this is prime cruise season for her.
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It wouldn't be because there was someone walking around. I know of at least one person that was walking around promoting toilet paper. Oh, okay. There's no weird things to promote at Radio Row.
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Toilet paper. Yeah. It's the next stage. You're right. Good point, Mikey. I wanted to have the person on just to see how we're going to be talking about toilet paper the entire time. You know what I mean? Yes. Because there's a prominent person.
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Individually. And then maybe a little bit together. All together. All together? All together. Wow. What a Super Bowl Sunday, huh? They are going to help get you ready for the biggest game in the history of games.
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We didn't. But it was a good hang.
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I'm happy it's here, but I'm sad because it's officially over. Because you love football. No one loves it more. Today's the day that it all comes to an end.
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I had a moment yesterday where I met a young woman. She's an up-and-coming reporter and she went to my alma mater. And she asked me when I graduated and I said 2001 and I did a quick hit of math that indicated I don't think she was born. And then she's like, you know, so people know this is kind of a fun joke. Stu Gatz went to Clark University. Yes, I did.
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I went to Clark Atlanta University, which is like the difference between Somalia and Samoa. They sound very similar, but they're actually vastly different. It used to be Clark College and then it was Clark College and Atlanta University. And they merged. And she asked me if I went to school before they merged. They merged in 1988. Yeah, and I'm just trying to figure out how old do you think I am?
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Yesterday, I went to the casino, and, you know, it says, like, the date. It's like, you had to be born by XX date 2004. I saw that. I had that same moment yesterday. I had that same moment yesterday. Or how about this? I did an event in North Carolina last weekend, and it was with Tyler Hansborough and Marcus Ginyard, who played for the 2009 National Championship team.
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They came into school in 2005, which would be 20 years ago. Right. And... All of that. Like, I have to stop doing math on years.
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I got to take people as they are and hope they do the same. That's what I need.
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Yeah, I mean, it's back where I used to work, you know, the event and everything. It made perfect sense. But, yeah, at the same time, it's like, oh, not only are these guys grownups, they're damn near 40 years old. Well, Monty, you look good, though. I appreciate that. I mean, you don't look a day over 28. I'll take that. I'll take that.
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I totally lie. I'll still take it.
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Hell, yeah. Even if I'm lying to you. Hell, yeah. Look, I don't mind people, like, leaning in on the fact of being a little bit older. What I want, though, that doesn't happen anymore for older people is I want my goddamn respect.
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Right? And I talk about it. They just out here calling us unks and everything else.
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Not once have they gotten up and given me a seat on the subway.
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Whatever happened to sir? When's the last time somebody said, sir? If someone stood up and said, take my seat on the subway, you'd be incredibly insulting. I'm far too bottom line oriented.
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Yeah, feel free. Because if they give it up, there ain't no seats. Right. And I would like a seat. Okay. I'm taking the seat. Have you gotten emails yet for Social Security? Hasn't happened. It hasn't happened. Oh, it's the worst. It hasn't happened.
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How about AARP? But the difference is you're old.
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Like you're there. Yeah, you're more than old.
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Yeah, but like I'm looking at you, though, and I'm like, did you shave at like 4 in the morning? I did. They came right back.
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Yeah, you're like you're on the Homer Simpson where like you do the shave and the next thing you know it's just whoop. Right back. Billy, do I look younger? No. Really? No, you look more like you tried today. Yeah. Which is interesting because...
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I was about to say, that's some super con man s*** right there. Just clothes with a flourish. Right? That's my move in Ubers every time.
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So, you know, like the last three minutes of the trip, I'm like, now's the time to start a conversation.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? You just made me realize that maybe I've become a bit more of a bourgeois character than I wish to admit. Because I definitely hit that don't talk to me button in the Uber. I have become New York.
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I was in North Carolina. People were talking to me in the hotel on the street. And I was like, why are these people? That's right. Yeah. In most places, civilized people talk to each other. They're nice about it.
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I started the podcast seven years ago as a radio show was started 10 years ago. We started that right when you guys went to the midday shift. So it's just wild to think that that was 10 years ago. Again, I got to stop using numbers. It's not helping my self-esteem. But no, the pod, it's cool. It's still rolling. I got to find me something else to do. But in the meantime, it's still rolling.
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What do you want to do? Something else. Well, no, the thing I tell people is that I got to do Game Theory on HBO for two seasons, and it was literally the dream job. It was like, what happens when your culmination of life's work comes and you're 42? Like, I got to find something else that feels like something, kind of charges.
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That was the first time I recall that I did something that I wasn't sure, oh, I got this. Now, granted, some of the things I was like, I got this, I didn't have. But it was like, you know what? I need to try something. I'm going to do something that has the potential to go catastrophically bad. Right. Like nobody else had made the format work. I appreciated the challenge of getting to do that.
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And now I got to find something else that's kind of challenging. So what do you do after you've reached your dreams? That's a great question.
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What do you do after you reach your dreams at the age of 30? You'll hate this comparison, but I don't know how much you saw of any of that Aaron Rodgers thing. I have not seen it. It's really good. Well, I didn't finish it.
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Yeah, I mean, it's a business trip for me. That's why I came suit and tie.
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Everyone I've spoken to is like, I got through two, and then three, I was like, I got it. I got the point. But the first episode and a half was basically that. It was basically like, He worked hard. He thought he wanted to do this the whole time. Then he wins the Super Bowl, and he's like, now what? I don't feel anything. You know what I mean?
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Like, I thought this was the greatest feeling in the world. Now I don't feel anything. Now what do I do? No, that happens to a lot of people, and it has happened to somebody I know very well. And what happens when the thing you thought would feel like that doesn't feel like that? Right. Like, the thing I do have to say for me on the game theory situation is it did feel like that. Like, I had a –
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When we were in North Carolina... Can you describe that feeling, though? It just felt what? It felt like... It just felt big? It felt... It felt like an accomplishment of sorts.
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Like, I remember the first episode we shot, we shot without a studio audience. Okay. So the only people there are, like, people who work on the show. My brother came. My agent came. Like, a couple of those people. And, you know, they do it... They do it big. One thing about working at ESPN that I realize is ESPN really treats being on television like a job. You clock in, you clock out.
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There isn't that much of a feeling of grandeur around what you do typically. Yes. And so your first show. Kind of lonely, you're right. Yeah, like your first show on like a TV show, for lack of a better term. And like the last episode of the season, they do the same thing. So you come out, and it's a cake, and it's champagne, and everybody's toasting it up.
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And I remember I stood there with my agent, and so this is 2022. So we've been working together now.
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We've been doing this for 11 or 12 years, and we just stood there. Right. And we were just next to each other. I just remember I just had my hand on his shoulder, and we were just looking at it like. It happened, you know, like remembering what it was like to sit in the HBO offices 10 years before that. And the guy's like, hey, man, I'm looking for a sports bill.
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And I'm like, baby, I'm right here. I know you're not going to believe it because I'm the one that's telling you. And it actually happened, you know, and then it was fun. And then it was, okay, well, now we're going to find a different thing to do. And now we find within it, like they had me working with a coach to help with my presentation and all of this stuff.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
GBF- Super Week: Bonus Episode
So, you know, we just had all these things go. And so I felt like I got it done. And when it ended, I didn't feel bad at all. It was like, what are you talking about? Why would I look at this through the standpoint of an ending as opposed to what it really was, was I got two years of this. I don't own this. Nobody took anything from me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 8
The answer is no. That's a very good question.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 8
Welcome back to The Right Time. My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening on ESPN Radio and the ESPN app.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 8
Sorry about that, Brian. In the meantime, how do the Cavs not have a general manager right now?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Oh, it makes me think of Michael Jordan. So I can't say how it makes me feel on the radio.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Oh, right. Well, then I can't say it because there's different rules.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Michael Jordan, yes, would be up until maybe five or six years ago, my number one hall pass.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Well, he got kind of old.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
I was fairly drunk at Michael Jordan's son's high school graduation party that Drake and Lil Wayne performed at. And I may or may not have given him my card and said, just in case you ever need anything.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
It was one of my old cards from when I lived in L.A., so one side was my acting headshot. No, this is... The other side was my phone number.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
woman that I worked with had been on several vacations with Juanita and the kids, almost as a sort of chaperone of sorts. And so she knew that I was a big fan and invited me to the party. And I had just met Michael two months earlier at a Super Bowl party. And I acted a little strange so that when he saw me again two months later at his kid's graduation party, he was like, what are you doing here?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Oh, no. You made an impression.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Probably a vodka Sprite.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
He was in a VIP area of a party that I was covering the red carpet for. I discovered him before the party truly began when he was alone and no one knew he was there. And he was near the corner where the red rope separated the VIP. And so I asked if he might take a photo with me and the security guard kept saying no. And I kept upping the ante as to why he should take a photo with me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
And I may or may not have said, when you got divorced, my mom emailed me and said, there's still a chance. And I may have said that when I was growing up, you lived one town over and I used to go to your house and stand on top of my car to look over the gate and see if you were in the front yard.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
And I may have said that I had a plan once to go trick-or-treating and then faint at your door so that you'd have to bring me inside while you called 911.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Yes, but he did eventually take the photo with me because either he thought it was funny and compelling or he was scared. But Charles Oakley was with him and took the photo, but part of his thumb covered the corner.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Still pending.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 9
Potentially, I've never been back. Not just to the bar, but the city it was in.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I remember when I was in high school, I went to a summer program, like a pre-college prep type of summer program. And a professor came in and he was a math professor. And I remember it seemed like the most amazing thing in the world. He just started rattling off formulas, right? He would be like, yeah, I do math. So I know that sine squared of X plus a cosine squared of X equals one.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I know that sine theta divided by cosine theta equals tangent theta. Like he rattled off all these. And you know, we're 15. We're like, whoa, wow, this is so amazing. And I remember I told my mama about this guy. And my mom was a college professor, for those of you who don't know. And she just rolled her eyes.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
She had been so sick of this man forever with these tricks that he was doing, rattling off these 10th grade level equations, right? She had been so sick of that for the longest, but he was capable of what you're describing, is the presentation is smart that goes away when people ask a few questions. And one thing about the way this internet stuff works is,
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Even with like TV and radio, you were more likely to be in a place where somebody was going to challenge you on what you said and you had to answer for it. You don't really have to do that on your own platform like that. So Charlie Church put this stuff out there and a million people can reply to him and say, this is wrong, this is wrong, but he never has to answer to him.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Charlie Kirk taps into something I'm curious what you think about, where I am convinced that liberals made Charlie Kirk famous. That Charlie Kirk trolled his way into a larger fame.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Right. But the left does not the right values the fact that you antagonize the left. So Charlie Kirk making a bunch of people on the left mad makes him more famous with the right. It doesn't really work that way. You know, don't really work that way in the in the opposite direction. But I did MSNBC once and I remember they made some mention of Charlie Kirk and I had to be like, hey, guys.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The only reason I know who this man is is because people I hate keep talking. People I know keep talking about him. People I like keep talking about him. And that was at a time where you'd go to his Twitter profile, and it was the same number of followers as it was following, and that was in the hundreds of thousands.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
He trolled his way into fame, but he wouldn't have gotten big enough if not for this outrage of the left that wasn't even outrage. It was as much people on the left showing how mad they were to each other.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
me I appreciate you it dawned on me like we're not in the round number stage yet but we are almost at 20 years of uh knowing each other yeah so let's start with that you were tell everybody how we met you were a local a lot of people don't know you did local radio for a long time yeah but this was before I did local radio I was writing for page two and I wrote a story about um Carolina and Kentucky had played at the Dean Dome this was the last year of Tubby Smith
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, it's a mix of people and almost like a sports-like pipeline. Like, hey, you just retired, eh? How'd you like to come get a job on NFL game day? Like, you know, it's some measure of that. Like, with Scott, Scott... And I haven't done anything.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I'll be honest with you. I told him, I was like, Hey, I don't need to be on TV with him. Like, I just don't, I just, I just don't think that's a, I don't think that's a good idea, you know? Cause I don't, cause part of it is I don't want to argue with him, but then you got to argue with him.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
if he's out there and then if this goes in a bad direction i don't like i just i don't i didn't feel like dealing with that as it related to him but i do notice on a lot of these networks like i do think that i am qualified to talk about these things i think i've got the rigor but i also think it's fair for somebody to look up and be like why is this guy on television
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Right. And you have to show and prove. Like, this is actually an interesting Stephen A. Smith parallel. People were very upset with Stephen A. Smith about him getting Max Kellerman fired. And I respected the fact that Stephen A. owned it. But his point was, people come on every day and ask, why are you here? You weren't a journalist. You weren't a player. Why aren't you here?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And people took that as arrogance. And I'm like, no, sir, that is the question that all of us have to answer every single day when we are on television. Like we've got to answer it. I will admit, I watch a lot of political television and I'm not putting this on news night. I'm talking about in the macro.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I put, I watch a lot of television, even if the people have some qualification within this political world, I watch a lot of television and say, I don't understand why I'm listening to you.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I watch some of it just to get a handle of what's going on. I don't watch a lot. I want to be very clear. I don't watch a lot. I'll see clips as they float down on the Internet. It is. I mean, look, the business, the business of cable news is in a real bad place because apparently.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
people in general outside of the fox news audience have decided they don't feel like this is a great use of their time anymore yeah which i am fascinated by how like that has happened now i think people just kind of burned out um on all of it i think they i think people have just grown exhausted like i think with all these if you think about 10 years ago like the emphasis on social causes that you saw all of these things i think people are just in survival mode at this point and interestingly enough cable news they don't feel like it's going to help them survive
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, I always felt, though, that George Floyd was a moment that was really eight years in the making. It goes from Trayvon Martin to George Floyd with four years of Trump tacked on on the back end of that. And then there was this –
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
George Floyd, it was so egregious what happened that we could go back and look at who the people were who always say the terrible thing, and they were like, hey, not this week.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
right like this is the one they're like all right we'll give you this one yeah yeah yeah yeah like there's a guy that owns a website whose name i refuse to say and i think you know who i'm talking about even he yes refused he's like no no no no no we're not doing it this time and it was such a wild couple weeks my favorite story about that drew breeze got in trouble because he had gone on some news show and in this time was asked about the national anthem and he said i think we should stand for the end the standard drew breeze answer drew breeze did not realize that we were in the
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And he gave the standard Drew Brees answer. And everybody came down on him. One of his teammates even said, fuck you to him. Like, it was wild, everything that happened. But I'll never forget, I was trying to explain to people. I'm like, look, that's always been his answer about the National Anthem. He pressed the National Anthem button. And that was what came out because it always comes out.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
So I wrote down my feeling that everybody had checked out. And I probably got a couple things wrong. And I know this because you reached out to me about it, which went okay. And you made also a very worthwhile point that I wasn't thinking about is that there's a racial dynamic in how Tubby is evaluated and how I, as a young black guy-
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And Drew Brees' money is not affected by this. And the point that I made was I went to the Wrangler Twitter account. And this is when everybody was putting out jeans, Wrangler jeans. And everybody was putting out like the black squares with their statements about George Floyd and everything else. And I was like, look, Wrangler has not put one of these out. And you know why?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Because that Wrangler money doesn't care about this. Their audience does not care. And the point I was making was that it was okay, right? That's not who their brand speaks to.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Right. And clearly, neither did Wrangler, right? Because they did.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But let me tell you this. The very next day, there was a post on the Wrangler Twitter account
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
about this and this would happen from time to time stuff like this could happen where I'd be on my show joking about something like once the NBA store had old Golden State Warriors gear but it was Philadelphia Warriors and I had not fully realized that Warriors means Indians like all the things that all the things that are Warriors used to be Indians like I had a baseball team that was the Warriors when I was a kid and it was blue with red letters it didn't dawn on me that it was really the Cleveland Indians right
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so it's this wildly offensive imagery on this throwback merchandise that is being sold at the NBA store for the Warriors. I didn't even know it existed. I said something about it on my podcast. I laughed about it. The next day it was gone. Gone, I tell you, gone. And I'm like, dog, I wasn't even getting on you. I was just laughing.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, in sports, I think the example that people typically point to is the NBA bubble and putting Black Lives Matter on the floor and the slogans on the back of jerseys. It was ham-fisted. They didn't know what to do. But if you weren't here for that moment, it's hard to explain how pressing it was. And these boys are talking about not playing. It was all falling apart.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I don't know if I would say that there were things that went too far. I don't think that there was anything tangible that really mattered that went too far.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I do think what happened, though, was that, as is the case with most social revolutions, if we will call this a revolution for this discussion, is they're normally spearheaded by young people, and it was spearheaded by this generation of young people that is very, very concerned with language. and very concerned with feelings as much as it is anything tangible. Oh, they love feelings.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
my words could then be used on a topic that to be fair and i have a better appreciation for now than i did then only knew but so much about so i was like okay this is cool it was actually interesting because i can't remember the reason espn took it down like they felt like there was some detail that wasn't correct or whatever and they oh i didn't know they took it down yeah that was part of what that was part of what was famous about it was that they had taken the piece down after it went up for whatever the reason
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so these corporate offices and stuff that were full of these young people who got these Slack channels and they were getting everything going, it was about keeping them together and everybody holding the line because everybody's stuck at home. They're frustrated. You know how terrible COVID had to be for white people to get on board in the way they did with this black cause?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It was so much that was going on and... It is fair to make the argument that the people who were in charge just weren't quite ready for all the responsibility and everything that would then come from that moment. But the truth is that moment lasted for like three weeks, maybe four. Yeah.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It did a lot. And it was – I actually thought that around college places that there would be, if nothing else, an understanding that this is good for business.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
When this gets far enough away for people to do the documentaries on it and we can go back and look at all Lane Kiffin going down to the Lane Kiffin and the late Mike Leach going down to the state house in Mississippi to get the flag down, to get the flag changed. Mike Leach did it? Mike Leach. And I look, I want to FOIA the emails that it took for them to make that happen.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Cause Mike Leach don't, he's like, look, I don't need players to play. We all need to recruit.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It was a time and they rolled back just about everything that came out of that time. And that that I think is a fascinating. It's kind of like after Reconstruction. Right. Like it feels like the Trump era is a rollback of the Obama era. Very similar to the post.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Carl, you know, he's a little bit disappointing as an NBA player. He is so wildly talented. I live in New York now, and so it's interesting because, like, the Dominicans, they got their guy.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
They pressed up Carl Towns jerseys with the Dominican flag on them. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's their guy. I just find it so wild that he's out there being guarded by people who are 6'4". And he still shoots threes. Yeah, it's disrespectful that the teams are willing to guard him like that, and then the Knicks won't give him the ball, which is even more disrespectful.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But I do remember very clearly that after that, you're like, hey, you ought to come on our radio show. And I said, OK, fine. And I went on and I couldn't believe you guys were talking like this about things in sports. I was like, oh, y'all talk about Duke like this. This is crazy. I agree. But this is crazy.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, I appreciated what he was doing. Like I got it. I felt I did feel this about Cal that relative to his peers, he cared more about his players than the average coach did. I firmly believe that. And I think that's I think even after everything that has happened, that is still probably true.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, well, the only thing was Krzyzewski always recruited a lot of one-and-done kids. He was just arrogant enough to think that he could get them to stay for two. Right. Like he thought he could get Lou all day to stay for two years. Right. He thought that if he got Brandon right to come, he would stay for two years, like the whole list of them.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But what Mike Krzyzewski is above all else and what Duke is, is above all else is Duke above all else is a capitalist empire. And Krzyzewski is absolutely on board with that. He teaches this class at Fuqua and all of that stuff. And what he wasn't about to be doing is that Gary Williams was willing to lose. He was willing to lose to do things the way that he wanted to do them.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Can I tell you my favorite thing about that right fast? My favorite thing about that is it's a comedy piece, right? We talk about why it is that black people hate Duke basketball and we run through it all the way. But it was the first episode. It's the only episode where we did not do it with a studio audience.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And buddy, you'd have no idea how many people didn't understand that that was supposed to be fun. They thought it was dead serious and they were mad. Mad. Oh, interesting.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
No, we did something a couple months ago in Raleigh, and we played that clip for a live audience. And they laughed, and it was one of those gratifying moments of my life because I finally got to see that piece as it was intended to be. But we just didn't know. We were just like, we don't need a laugh track. We don't need it. No, no, no. Yeah, you do. You do. You do.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It is definitely interesting, right? And what I find to be interesting about it is I have a good friend who refers to Jordan Hudson as fancy in a metaphor that I think a lot of our listeners can understand. From Reba McIntyre. Here's your one chance, Fancy. Don't let me down. This is Fancy's one chance. And Fancy is making the most of it. Fancy done got her $8 million in real estate.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Fancy is showing up. Like, you look at Fancy's clothes. I hadn't thought about it as Fancy. Yeah. I was at a party at the Super Bowl where Belichick pulled up with Fancy. And she's ready for her close-up, man. Like, I am amazed at how prepared she has been to get all this done.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Matt, he took a video slash picture on his back on the beach with his feet up and her on his feet. That is my favorite part of this whole thing. Because love will have you do any old thing. Ain't nothing too goofy for love. And he is loving her out loud. Like she got some nerve.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And look, I'd say, and that's, I was about to say, and that's part of the thing. Like Bill's old, the girlfriend he had for all those years, she would put pictures of him on the internet. Right. In large part. Cause I don't think he really knows how it works because somebody asked him about it in the CBS news interview. And he was kind of like, I didn't know anybody had seen that picture. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like he's got all these things going on. He has no clue, but she somewhere along the way convinced herself that she knew how to do this. And I think she figured out that these jobs are like a lot of jobs, that it's intuitive. She thinks she has an intuitive understanding of how to be the first lady of these things. And she's like, you guys, you need to update your shit for the 21st century.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Bill Belichick is like a caveman to her. And so what I think is most interesting is this is all the talk we're doing before they play games. I don't think that Bill Belichick changes anything about North Carolina.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
This is a over under 7.5 win program. Like Kentucky is an over under six win program, right? Yeah. And Mark Stoops can get you consistently eight. And now people are used to that. And so they get a little antsy about whether or not eight is good enough for you.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I think that Carolina is going to still be a seven and a half win program because I don't know if you guys realize this, but the last time you saw Bill Belichick coaching, he wasn't good at it.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, it just happened recently. We're talking about Shador Sanders and the draft. And so what has made it complicated is actually the presence of the internet. Or maybe the internet has made it a little bit more simple in that the internet has made everyone more tribal. And I think a thing the internet has done that we don't talk enough about is it has minimized intra-group disagreement. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I think the most interesting level of this, and I've talked about this on my show, is whom one believes is the predator in this relationship.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I think there's a tendency for people to look at it as this older man is the predator dealing with this younger woman. And I think that if you talk to anybody who has an older father, and this is not me, by the way, but if you talk to anybody who has an older father who's started dating a younger woman, they do not think that the older man is the predator, right?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Because the older father is the one writing all these checks and bankrolling the situation. Like, you'll talk to people whose dads are going, like, you sending your dad money and your dad sending that money to this little young girl that you're messing with.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I don't know. No, she clearly makes him feel alive. That's good. The thing I have learned in my travels, Matt, I believe that you will agree with me when I say it. It seems very simple, but it's the truth. People do what makes them feel good. The people who spend more money than they have, they feel good when they spend the money.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The problem is the good feeling of spending money doesn't last, but they feel good when they spend the money. People do the thing. We're animals in that regard. They do the thing that makes them feel good, and it is clear. She makes him feel Tony the Tiger great.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
So it kind of depends on what we're talking about. Right. So for me, for example, I did a show on HBO called game theory. Um, we got two seasons. I think that is an unmitigated success. Like there was nothing that could happen after that show went on the air. Cause it's so crazy that we got to do the show in the first place.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Um, that I would look at that as not being successful because that was the one thing that I was like, we're so lucky to be here that when I had a deal for six episodes, I never thought about the seventh. Success was going to be about how I felt about those six. And then we got 10 more and it went the same way. I did a show on ESPN called High Noon with Pablo Torre.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
That show lasted for about two years before they canceled it. That one, I would probably categorize more as a failure. It wasn't, I thought Game Theory was very good. High Noon was not very good. I don't think it was bad, but it was not very good. I think I was somewhat fortunate in terms of how I dealt with it, So there wasn't much time to think about it. There were a million things going on.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
No, no, no. You're right. What I was not happy about in that time was I didn't have enough going on. Like I wasn't hurt by that fact, but I did know this. I was not going to be hosting a television show for ESPN ever again. And I was overqualified for any other job that you had for me to do on TV at that point. That wasn't it. So no, I was a little lost in the wilderness at that point, certainly.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And it didn't feel good. But after I flunked out of graduate school, which is probably the biggest thing that I would consider I did, that was a failure. What I realized was- I didn't know you did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't pass the micro qual to second go around. all that meant was that maybe just maybe I'm not a PhD level micro economist.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like, so a lot of these young columnists that I see, and I don't even know columnist is the right term anymore. Right. But like young people who traffic in opinions, they seem to figure out what everybody's already saying and then distill that into one thing and then give people back what what they already said in the first place. Because you can go workshop anything on the internet, right?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It's not exactly the biggest insult in the world, right? You know, like if that's the case, like I'm still qualified to teach college. I could still, there's somebody who could be a Nobel prize winner that I could teach in econ one-on-one who will appreciate the fact that they had me like all of those things I had to recognize in that moment taught me.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I don't have to be great at everything that I do, right? And so when High Noon didn't work, it was just like, okay, well, what are we going to do now? But what I learned was there's no stopping in this. There's no room for self-pity. And truly, if you have not slipped up somewhere along the way in this, it's because you're not trying that hard.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like I've worked with people who have never had failures. And one thing they have in common is they're not trying that hard. Their ambitions aren't the same as mine.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like, do you realize the level of ambition or the, what I learned in this, it sounds dramatic as I'm saying it about myself, but I do believe this took a little bit of courage for me to sit up in a suit at a desk for two seasons, telling jokes. I was doing the Trevor Noah job, the John Oliver job, the Bill Maher job, and I did it. I was getting better, and it could have been better.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I'm not saying it was the greatest ever, but we did it, and I think we did a good job of it. I think about that way more than I think about the end of it. That's crazy. That's just setting yourself up for misery.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The HBO show was literally my dream job. I don't care if I ever do a TV show again. I have checked off every box that I ever wanted to do. How in the world do you think you're going to make me feel like I failed by literally achieving a dream?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It is frustrating for me. It is frustrating on a larger level because I believe, and this is something you and I have talked about, um, about like our work and it's what I've taught. I've talked about this on the air when I guess hosted your show. What frustrated me most about him and what they do is I believe they have created a caricature of me that does not really exist. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like you can go figure out on a social media platform, how's this take going to go over and then decide if the people that you care about are going to feel the same way. To me, I feel like A, that's cheating and B, I feel like that's not particularly interesting. Like if you're really good at this,
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so I do not work to achieve. I'm not in this to make white people like me. Right. But I also believe that we have more in common than people give us credit for. Like our friendship is a testament to the fact that I have more in common with the people who listen to you than I think that people realize if they'll just give it a chance and get over whatever trash they got in their heads.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so what frustrates me is when somebody like Clay leans in on what this nonsense is and stops what connections we could actually make amongst ourselves as people. And I know we can because I did radio in Raleigh and I fought against all of this stuff early.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And then by the time I left, I was a fairly beloved figure across the board because they realized, like, we have more in common with each other than probably anybody else that you're going to hear on the air. Because, again, I'm a product of rural public schools like we were there. And so that's what frustrated me most about them and all of that.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
What I realized, though, is their army of people is largely bots. Like when I would look on the internet, when something from that website would come down about me and who the people are who are talking about me, none of the accounts seem real. Now, I actually stumbled upon Clay Travis at the Super Bowl this year.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I realized in the very short conversation we had that he and I are not built the same. We do these jobs for much different reasons, and this is all wrestling to him. It is all wrestling. That was the conclusion I came to from him is that to him, this is wrestling, and as long as everybody's making money, what's the big deal?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
You don't have to say if you don't want to. Not quite my friend, but I will say that he behaved in a way that misunderstood how seriously I take what I do. Interesting. And I don't, I think.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
then you've earned the respect of your audience and they'll go with you when they don't necessarily agree with you and maybe think about it a different way. But people are also now far less likely to actually do that. And so one thing I have decided to push back on is
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I chose to walk away. I'll tell you that. Oh, you did. Okay. I chose to walk away. Because, look, you can't give nobody like that none of you because that's a victory to them. You know what I mean? Like, all you can do is walk away.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Um... At various points in my life, yes. Like, I think I served that purpose for Dan Levitard in many ways at points in time. But it was important also because I think Dan was very fascinated by the idea that a black person could be this smart, which I never got that vibe off of you.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
right like no no yeah like that's not it like i think dan couldn't believe that this happened like it was like wow look at that look at that fish riding a bicycle like he just like he just you know like it just he just hadn't and to be fair to him he lived in miami he don't see no smart people at all let alone a black one like that's not so much no so you lived in miami you hated it didn't oh i mean
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
it wasn't bad for me because I had bread, right? But like, if you don't have bread, I don't, it's a very thoughtless place. That's the best way that I can put it. It's the least awful place I've ever been. But no, that can happen from time to time. And I think.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The refusal I see from other people to criticize within whatever the group may be, whether the group is the left, whether the group is black people, whether the group is young people, whether the group is fans of a particular team or whatever it is like we've got to have the healthy dialogue within that.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
white people don't realize this, that there's a tendency to take the black person, you know, and that black person be the spokesman for all the black people. And I, I can't speak for all of them. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so I know there's no harm in like, the only reason I would say that to you is because I know there was no harm intended because if there was harm intended, I'd have just never took the calls in the first place. Right. But I definitely wasn't about to miss out on the NBA finals to be your Sherpa. That wasn't, that wasn't going down. I got it.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It was, but I also, so what's interesting about that for me though, in a professional capacity is you can sign me up to be the person that speaks for black people, but you have no idea what's coming after you do that. Anything, todo es posible in that moment.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like that would happen for Dan often where he would call me on his show to be the black person and he would not necessarily get the thing that he thought was coming.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
What I will say about that is with somebody like Candace Owens, the people who are doing that are being very particular and calculated in what they're doing. So that that doesn't make me nearly as angry. But I do have a twinge of what should I do when they call me to be this person? Because God knows who the next call is. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like this next person might not actually be smart. I may agree with that person, but that person's back. There's a lot of things that kind of come down to it. But I did what it's so funny, like being the black guy on television because this was a non-black topic. But I did saw the CNN hit.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
about uh trump and saban and the nil commission and i said something about like basically they don't need to cut down on the money they're playing paying players because i'm like hey man there are always gonna be people out there who love to trick off on college students and there was this pause from the two hosts it was two women because they weren't ready for that and then one of them goes no doubt i just
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Cause that seemed like something you say after somebody says something about tricking. Yeah. That seemed like the appropriate answer.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, the question I would ask people about Stephen A. Smith for president, and I'm telling you, man, I get it from everywhere. Like, you'd be surprised some of the calls I've gotten when people, and I'm like, I'm down to talk to you about it, but I'm not going to say anything bad about him, first of all, because I don't think.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Yeah, he's a decent dude, but the part of this story that is problematic and ridiculous is not his fault. Like the idea that we're entertaining it is not his fault. Even if he said I should be the president, us entertaining it is not his fault. And so if he – look, if he thinks he can be the president, then bless his heart, right?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Like I'm not going to be the one that says anything bad about him in the course of it. But it is – why – I just would throw this out to somebody at this point. Why him and not me? Not because I want it, but I'm just curious what, what people think, like what their explanation is. Now, if your explanation is, well, he's a lot more famous than you. Cool. That makes perfect sense.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But acknowledge what that means, right? Acknowledge like what that says about the whole situation. So that's where it always comes down to for me. It's just kind of like, how do we get here? Like you people who are entertaining this, why, why did you pick this guy?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But, Monty, thank you very much. I'm going to say this right fast, though. The thing I'll give Stephen A credit for, you'll notice this. He doesn't say anything really critical to Trump. He has not said anything critical to Republicans. He has just picked the thing that we all can get behind, these Democrats. They stink. They stink. And everybody's like, hell yeah, that man tells you.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, the other part, too, is. Conservatives can listen to someone with our politics more easily and readily than liberals can listen to someone with Trump's politics. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that is true.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, the trick bag on that is if you give me time to talk it out, right? Like my explanation on it was all of us get humbled by life at some point. Neither you nor I hurt for confidence, right? We have both had moments where we were like, oh, okay, we got put in check just a little bit by the world.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
They do. They hate them and they don't know how to talk to them. But the other part is when they've got something... I'll say they've got something. For example, yeah, they ran an end around on us about Biden a year ago and what his physical and mental constitution was, right?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And the reason the people around you do that is for their own jobs. Like, they were all... And look, we got a history of this happening with politicians. Like, this isn't the first time this has happened. But when that went down, I was doing the CNN show, and, you know, they tend to balance it out. And it was... Somebody was blaming...
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Somebody was pushing back on the idea that the media was to blame for hiding this about Biden from us. And I was like, no, they either they have to be the blame. Right. Either they didn't know, which is a problem, or they knew and didn't tell us, which is a problem. But once you're willing to say that, the conservatives are more likely to be like, oh, OK.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And I think that, to be fair, goes for liberals also. Like the liberals can appreciate the conservative that are right for the Atlantic, for example.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The problem is when people believe that somebody is supposed to do it, typically believing that they themselves, the audacity to believe that you are the humbler, right? You ain't got to worry about that. The world's going to do that. And that's what happened to Shador. And so the thing with Shador in the draft was,
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I just had a lot of people who had made the call that it was that there was something nefarious about the fact that he slid in the draft. And I'm like, no, I don't think that's what happened. I think that what happened was he wasn't necessarily talented enough to be a first round pick.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And then the way that he handled those, he had those interviews as though he was the one making the decision, not the teams.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so the teams, you know, and that's what's going to happen, but it becomes necessary to say those things. The problem is some of the worst people in the world also felt the same way. Broken clock. A couple times a day, it gets something right. But I can't let those people, I never let those people determine what I'm going to say. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And I'm not. And it's one thing where I think that there's when I think there's healthy room for disagreement. Then, okay, you think he was a first-round pick, that's fine. The trick bag with something like Shador was, Shador was playing college football for a non-college football audience.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
So the people who were the most invested in that are the people who were probably the least informed and the least aware. And so I look up, and I see a buddy of mine, a writer, and he says something about, well, show me a time when a guy won the Johnny Unitas Award and had numbers like these and then fell all the way to whenever.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I was like, Gardner Minshew, 2019, six-round pick with all these numbers that you said. Like... We got to- They probably didn't even know that, right?
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
No, he had no idea. He was operating on what, to be fair, is a somewhat reasonable proposition that these white folks is doing us wrong. There is an extended track record where if that is your default, I understand why you start there, but you can't just go there no matter what, right? Especially if you're trying to make the point in public.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Because you're already going uphill when you're trying to make that point to anybody at all. It's not worth it to make that point unless you're sure. Like to me, you can't just be guessing. You got to have a really, really strong case rather than just a correlation. And I thought with Shador, what a lot of that was simply was a correlation. And then the...
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
The the argument I saw from people and again, there's a track record of this. They wanted to tame the outspoken black man. I'm like, he's not outspoken. He's obnoxious. Those are two different things. So, like, I think the Internet gets us with a lot of conflation of terms and people get really charged up and they have to be on the side and everything else.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And I'm not going to play that game with people. Like, I feel like I've earned the respect that you're going to listen to me regardless of whether or not I agree with you.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
So what I think is interesting about that, and it doesn't happen so much anymore, but I noticed that I was getting a heavy push from the algorithm. Whenever he would go on anything or talk about any politics, like there are engagement farming accounts that put up stuff that Stephen A. says on his podcast and everything else. I am...
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I think part of what happens when we start talking about running for president now is people start talking about candidates for president in the context of do you think they can win? And the arguments behind whether they should be president. Yeah, but the arguments behind why you think somebody could win. well, how many people know who this person is already? And so forth and so on.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It's all these things that don't have anything to do with your actual ability to govern. But of course, that's reinforced by the person that is actually the president, right? And so Stephen A. is really famous. I think that's the part that gets lost and undersold. He's really famous, and running for president is effectively a television contest.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Now, I am going to read something to you that I found in a book that I was reading just the other day.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It just so happened that I was talking to somebody about this because I was reading this Neil Postman book about education that I kind of had to stop reading because I realized that it was more technically about education as a doctrine, like as a study. as opposed to education as just the general idea.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
But the point they make, if I can't find the exact phrasing, but the point they make is after a certain point where the media gets too big and the media is controlled by a certain number of people, like television was the argument they were making, right? That...
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
It's going to reach a point where a prerequisite for running for president is that you are a famous person, that you have a career already as a celebrity.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, it's a fair question. The fact that Stephen A. Smith thing has gotten as far as it has. Look, let me tell you this. There's a story running very soon in the New York Times, and I know this because they interviewed me for it, about the idea of Stephen A. Smith being president. And it's not in the sports media section. Right. Like it was by a writer.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
No, I don't know anybody who has said that. I don't. I appreciate the fact that Stephen A. appreciates that this is ridiculous, right? Do you think he does? Do you think he does? He has said at every turn that the idea that someone wants me to be president is an indictment primarily of the Democrats. That's what he does.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
He wills that into existence. But these polling, but these polls have willed that into existence. The people that put his name on the paperwork, Cuomo and Bill O'Reilly doing, wow, what a salad. Those three guys doing like town halls and stuff like that. Now, to be fair to Stephen A, what Stephen A will tell you is that he's done political commentary on television for a very long time.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
which again is true, but so have I, and I'm not going to be the one to run for president. I also think that part of why people are willing to entertain this notion is that right now he has gotten behind a very bipartisan idea, which is banging on the Democrats. Everybody enjoys that, loves that song, right? Like that one has crossed over. It is top 10. Number one with a bullet and right fast.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
This is what the book says. It says, as Paul Goodman has pointed out, there are many forms of censorship and one of them is to deny access to loudspeakers to those with dissident ideas or even any ideas. This is easy to do and not necessarily conspiratorial when the loudspeakers are owned and operated by mammoth corporations with enormous investments in their proprietorships.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
What we get is an entirely new politics, including the possibility that a major requirement for holding political office be prior success as a show business celebrity. And now to me, where he is talking about television, where it gets wonky is I think the people who truly control that information in that way are Musk. Zuckerberg and the people that control the social media algorithms.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And they can greatly decide who does or doesn't get famous. Like the idea of Stephen A. Smith as president was, I was getting bombarded with it about a month and a half ago and I didn't ask for it.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
Well, I mean, I've been doing it for a long time, so I'd like to think that I can, right? Like, I could be wrong, but I think that I can. The reason that I think that I can and the reason I think I do it fairly effectively, and this is a reason that you and I could be as close as we have, I believe, and I think it's very important, is you and I grew up going to rural public schools.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And I think that that's a very important point in terms of your ability to relate to people. We understand what I level is a little bit differently. And we grew up around people who, if they feel like you're talking over your heads, we'll try to fight you. Like you have to learn how to, like how to do this stuff and still talk to them. Right.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
So that's like my fundamental belief is that I believe my brother told me something when I first started writing that I'll never forget. And he said, a great argument is not one that a genius cannot refute. It is one that a fool cannot refute.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so I feel like if I can keep it simple, like keep it, like keep it tangible and there'll be something funny that comes up along the way, then people will listen to it. And in the end.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
I think that as long as you're not being a jerk about it, people can identify who are the very smart people, and they want to know what the very smart people think about things, if for nothing else than to affirm them when they agree with the very smart people.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 1 - Bomani Jones
And so the trick is figuring out how to assume that responsibility without being condescending in the process, which I am not always great at.