Benny Vasquez
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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
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Working differently than what? Differently prior to acquisition.
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No, no, no. I mean the acquisition of CentOS open source to CentOS Red Hat controlled.
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ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Because at that time, CentOS was behind RHEL. And the transition that a lot of people got upset about was they were using CentOS as this open source RHEL-like operating system in production, which was the bigger backlash. And then Red Hat's move was to push CentOS in front of RHEL, let it be CentOS Stream.
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ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
It's kind of like if you're painting this visual, CentOS used to be behind RHEL.
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where RHEL was in front of it, and then it became CentOS Stream, which was in front of RHEL. The innovation was happening in Fedora, landing in CentOS Stream, and then ultimately RHEL as a product.
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I'm not trying to like not go into the details.
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So it sounds like we're in this... rebuilder world where you have the Rockies and the Almas and the many others, I don't fully understand it.
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It seems like from an outside point of view or from a purview sort of point of view that it is more about trying to get what is literally the RHEL product, which is a product, and you can say it's open source and you can get access to packages and RPMs, etc., I tried last night with your help to find a way to download today, in a moment, RHEL. You said it's open source.
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I had to sign up for an account with Red Hat. I had to go through hoops essentially to get it. And it may be literally open source, but it's very challenging to play with what is the RHEL product. And what I mean by product, it is open source derived as a trademark product given to customers who pay for it with a license more so for support and assurances and security.
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If I want to go play with the product called Ubuntu... What's the latest version, 24.04?
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I can go and tap a download link.
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Well, LTS.
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I can click on it. No account required. Yeah, no account required. So there's no hoops to get to that product, but there is hoops to the rail product. So that's my point.
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I'm talking about access, not selling a product in this case.
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What I'm trying to say is the angst. The angst is there was CentOS prior to Red Hat's acquisition of the open source project.
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Right, this is the RHEL, alternative to RHEL, that's open source, that I can use in production. It is blessed for production.
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Wasn't that the case, though? I mean, that's the major issues that people are using in production.
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Okay. Let's see you get there. Let's see you get there tomorrow. Yeah. Perfectly. How will systems be different? How will teams be different as a result?
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Even the brand name.
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And it's just weird that there's this angst out there because they essentially want... If there were other people here who could argue against it, they would probably argue against it, but my opinion, my summarization of what I understand about it is they essentially want what REL gives as a product for free, as in freedom of open source, and free as in cost.
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And CentOS used to give it, I'm quoting, used to give it prior to being acquired by Red Hat. Now it's upstream from RHEL in terms of a visual diagram. It was acquired by, as an open source product, acquired by. Now it is where the active development happens, which ultimately lands in RHEL the product. Mm-hmm. And so the angst there is the folks want what is enterprise grade Linux.
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Well, you're considered the gold standard of enterprise grade Linux. They want it for free. That's the angst.
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It's mostly what I wanted to cover. I know we can probably go deeper. Wherever you want. And I got more I can say, but I don't know how much more we want to go. How much more do you want to spend on this, Jared? Five minutes? Five minutes.
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Okay.
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What exactly is extra in the extra?
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That was a good summary, I think. I think that's what I wanted to cover for a while. I think it's been challenging to, from the outside, as a non-Red Hat Enterprise Linux user, I'm not that person. But I care about Enterprise Linux because I have friends who care about Enterprise Linux. Using it at work or at home? All over the place. Friends at Facebook even that rely upon CentOS, of course.
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And it's just kind of crazy that how the world is fractured And then the parts we can't, that I won't really go into, but that other side, on the rebuild side, is also offering support and financially backed services. So why not just buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux in the first place? We've talked about that in the side conversations, Jared.
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I know you won't, but what do you think about that, Jared? We've talked about that. It seems strange... to go through all this and have these rebuilds that is either bug-for-bug compatible or there's words that leverage the RHEL brand to be RHEL-like that says it's free and open source.
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But then they're offering support or other financially backed services. That's basically what Red Hat's doing. to rail it in the first place. The rabbit hole goes deep. It is. Carl, thank you for sharing that story. Yeah, I'm always happy to talk about it. Going deep with us. We appreciate it. Thanks, Carl. Appreciate it.
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Thanks for having me on. What's up, friends? I'm here in the breaks with Kyle Carberry, co-founder and CTO over at Coder.com. Coder is an open source cloud development environment, a CDE. You can host this in your cloud or on premise. So, Kyle, walk me through the process. A CDE lets developers put their development environment in the cloud. Walk me through the process.
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They get an invite from their platform team to join their Coder instance. They got to sign in, set up their keys, set up their code editor.
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Very cool. Thank you, Kyle. Well, friends, it might be time to consider a cloud development environment, a CDE. And open source is awesome. And Coder is fully open source. You can go to Coder.com right now, install Coder open source, start a premium trial, or get a demo. For me, my first step, I installed it on my Proxmox box and played with it. It was so cool. I loved it. Again, Coder.com.
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We talked to Max Howe, creator of Homebrew and the Tea Protocol at Tea.xyz, which offers rewards and recognition to open source maintainers. And last, we talked to Chad Whitaker, head of open source at Century, about the launch of Open Source Pledge and their plans to help businesses and orgs do the right thing and support open source. A massive thank you to our friends at fly.io.
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It's like having a sleep lab, a smart thermostat, and a personal sleep coach all rolled into one single device. And the pod uses a network of sensors to track a wide array of biometrics while you sleep. It tracks sleep stages, heart rate variability, respiratory rate, temperature, and more. And the really cool part is this. It does all this automatically. without you having to wear any devices.
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That means that it updated and changed my temperature to cool to warm and helped me fine tune exactly where I wanted to be with precision temperature control to get to that maximum REM sleep.
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You ready for this?
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No.
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My name's Benny Vasquez. Actually, get a little closer to the mic and give me a sound check.
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Do you make your own barbecue?
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You're a backyard barbecue guy.
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What is the idea of staking? I don't understand it in crypto as normal, but if I bought in and I staked against a project, what does that do for it? You get a yield. Describe that to me. Like four, five percent.
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Interesting. When I buy in initially, who am I buying the token from?
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Gotcha. Do you all keep a large percentage of the token as creators of the token?
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Gotta love a good smoker hand-me-down, you know, really.
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Right. And it makes sense because you're investing in it, making it. There's obviously economic incentives involved.
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That's where I'm at. I'm like, I don't have a hand-me-down. So I'm like, my only option is to either build one myself, which I will probably not do. Or spend money on a mill scale or something else.
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17,000.
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17,000. So that's a lot of... It's a decent amount of projects. What does it take to onboard? What's the incentive? Obviously the incentive is to be able to have, what is it called, T? Is it called T or Chai?
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Okay, T token.
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Sorry, I'm uninitiated here, so a lot of my questions are from the uninitiated standpoint here. Okay, so you have the T token, and me as an open source maintainer developer, I go and put my open source T-enabled, onboard, what is that like?
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Is it challenging to determine ownership at that standpoint? Because you've got multiple maintainers, core maintainers, trademark holders, especially with the WordPress world, you've got a lot of things happening in this ownership state of open source. There's a lot that can happen.
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How do you determine who is the true owner, I guess, of the token when it comes in, if it does become valuable enough to... Cash in, so to speak.
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I have friends. Okay. Yeah. I can get it done if I wanted to, but it's heavy. You've got to bother your friends.
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Do you anticipate challenges there that you will get mud on your face from, regardless if, I guess, maybe egg in your face is probably the better term? Because you're kind of leaving it to them to decide, and it might cause drama?
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Sometimes it's easy to squash that to some degree with the why. Like, why did you do this? It's one thing to have a capitalistic intent, either personally because you're creating a company around this with venture capital and incentives, and then to enable open source developers to get paid. So there's lots of reasons why, I'm sure. But what is your personal reason why?
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I don't have the expertise. I want to leverage Aaron Franklin's expertise or mill scale's expertise. Why do I have to become a barbecue manufacturer expert just to become a backyard amateur?
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As he was describing the dependency graph, it reminded me of the way, I suppose, Google or a search engine attributes weight to or importance to a website, which is backlinks. It's the same kind of idea where you sort of define some sort of perceived value based on being in the dependency graph of a project. And I imagine that totally makes sense.
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And it's not based on whether I think your thing is cool, whether I think your thing is worth funding. It's a matter of, yeah, it's like, is it literally being used? How deep is its importance? Then you can't scrutinize back to the Nebraska XKCD drawing and cartoon because... You can see the weight. You can see the graph there that says it truly is important.
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And going back to what you said with Patreon or even GitHub sponsors, you spend most of your time marketing and promoting the fact that you could be paid, not doing the things that should get you paid, which provides the value. And so it seems like if you can get past this, I don't know how to describe it, I guess, the idea of crypto.
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Yeah, the anti-crypto sentiment. if it couldn't play out well, because it seems like it should. Because you can't argue with the graph. You can't argue with the importance that gets placed on it, or the weight, the perceived weight and value that comes from that as a result. And the developer can keep doing what they're doing. Not remapping around this new idea of how to get paid.
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They can just keep doing what they're doing. The dependency graph predicts their future. He can stick against it if he wants to, which increases my yield, increases his yield. Seems like it has the right kind of ideas. What's the reception so far? Like, you're in the percolation stage. What's the sentiment?
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Or at least, let me see if I understand this right. And this is where my idea comes from. What if, let's play out a scenario. What if the developer world rejects this because they're anti-crypto? What if T, because you can still determine the dependency graph with or without onboarding, right? You can still determine the graph because it's in Git.
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So long as it's open source and available, you can determine that graph and its importance. What if it becomes a speculation engine so the people who do care about speculating can leverage it as crypto, whether developers or not, and now it's sort of like maybe this adjacent engine this adjacent proxy to value. And not me saying this, but I'm going to say it.
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Who cares if the developers are anti or for crypto? And who cares if they truly adopt this or not? It can be a way to speculate the value of the lone developer in Nebraska's thing and create value whether they take it or not. Because you can now have a betting world basically against all of open source.
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Yeah, there's a lot of...
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And there's a way to make money or make money slash create value or speculate value and take away that value if you want.
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I can't tell if he's being serious or not.
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Plan B. How about Plan B? Yeah. That's Plan B. Yeah. Because, I mean, it's possible you'll be rejected. That would suck. Right? Because you spent years... Three years? Yes. Doing this? That would suck, right?
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I don't know, though. I think with my idea, if it truly is a good idea, I think you could do both. It doesn't have to be just because you rejected plan B as X. I think it could be both based on what I hear. Now, this is 20 minutes of podcasting, which I haven't dug into the white paper or the details and stuff like that. But I can't see, based on what I've heard so far, why it couldn't be both.
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Because it's already doing that. It already can be speculated against. If I have a project and Jared wants to stick against it, he can. So that's all you're doing. It's about perception and mechanics and marketing really is story than it is simply what it can or can't do.
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You could do both, though. It's still possible to do... Just because you don't market it that way doesn't mean I can't use it that way. That's my point.
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And then you give a pathway to this thing that's won... software's eating the world, open source is eating software, kind of thing. Now anybody who ever wants to speculate against open source can, not saying they would, I have no idea about that, but... It's an interesting... Something to chew on, at least. Something to chew on, for sure.
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Wings, stuff like that. But I could talk about barbecue all day. Same. But that's not why we're here. Let's talk about the confusion, I suppose, around Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the history of CentOS to some degree, and really the state of open source Enterprise Linux. Sure. What could you share? You've shared. We've had conversations. None of them so far recorded.
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And you said it's trackable on Coinbase, is that right? Because of the way it's protocoled? He didn't name a specific one.
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Is there a way that you could... leverage this to secure the open source supply chain as it's said? I don't really like the term supply chain, but that's the accepted term of open source supply chain.
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Is there a way to leverage what you're doing with T, not just to incentivize to maybe gain value, but maybe leverage that in a way that can ensure security for open source packages or reward those who are more secure or just anything that just bolsters the security of open source?
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So, yeah. So it's in our best interest to find a way to make this play out. Me and yours? Like, generally. We as in the community. Because if they have these kind of plans and there's altruistic ways to get there, we just have to— Well, I certainly want to know what he's going to disclose in the early next year.
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Hopefully. Very soon. All right. Famous S-words. Good luck with your keynote as well. Yeah. All right, Max. All right. Thanks. What's up, friends? I'm here with a new friend of ours over at Assembly AI, founder and CEO Dylan Fox. Assembly AI is where you can turn voice data into insights, chapters, transcripts, summaries, and so much more with their leading speech AI models.
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So... Help me demystify for those listeners out there. You work at Red Hat, to be clear. You are a principal software engineer. And you work on, what was it, the extras?
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The state of open source funding, sustainability, pledging. OSSpledge.com. This is your new thing. OSS funds, open source funds. What's the state?
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Tell me more about JSON.
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It was a... I was surprised, too. I was paying attention. I think it was like a, I don't know, tell me, but I was surprised.
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See, I saw it differently then. Okay. Not the analogy. I don't disagree with the analogy necessarily, but... All right, what are you seeing? I saw what you were doing with the open source pledge or OSS pledge, to be more clear. was an extension from what we did a while back with maintainer month and maintainer week. It was maintainer week and then maintainer month. And it was OSS fund.
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It's the same idea that you started with Sentry, which was for every developer, whatever your number is, is your number. But you said $2,000 per developer was the good algorithm to use.
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And so I saw open source pledge, this OSS pledge, to be an extension of that, but more with an awareness piece to it. Because it was hard. It was like you were pushing this uphill battle to say companies should have an OSS fund, which is a great thing to say. But then it was like, well, how do we do it? Whereas this, yeah, the FOSS fund. Thank you for clarifying.
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I saw it as like an extension of that, but potentially better marketable, you know, and potentially with this social component that is not so much a force multiplier, but more like you should because this is where people who are doing this and believe in this model are collecting. Whereas the other way it was more like... soapbox, you know?
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Whereas here, you're sorta like, what was it, Hands Across America, like back in the 80s, remember that? It's more like that, you know? Like, hand in hand across America feeding, I think it was The Hunger, something like that.
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Well, so this... There's no vetting and verification, right?
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Well, whoever would put out a blog post saying you funded open source and you didn't fund open source... I made a face, by the way. It was not a good face. Well, there is.
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Right. If you would go through the motion of saying, I pledge, I blog, and that blog was non-factual.
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I mean, big time, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Yeah. Receipts. And so I joked about the JSON earlier, and you never closed the loop. Yeah, what's the JSON deal? What's the JSON? There is... Let's close the loop of the JSON. I forgot all about it.
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They do get a JSON, though, because when they go through the flow, they generate the JSON file for them. Who does?
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ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
OpenSourcePledge.com.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
It's still available, right? Yep. For those who think it's not there...
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Early days. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Well, good stuff. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
So let's wave a magic wand.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Okay?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Put it here down right now. All right. How much time you got? Three minutes?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Three minutes. Okay, he's got less than three minutes to wave this magic wand. It is, pick your number of years from now.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
One, two, five, whatever. What's the goal? What do you want to, like, what would be best case scenario? Yeah. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Yeah, exactly.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
All right. Thanks, Chad. Thanks, guys. Okay, to the many people we saw in the hallway at All Things Open, well, hey, it's good to see you. We met a lot of people who were there on the coupon code we gave out, the free one in most cases, and in some cases, the discounted version. And that's so cool. Lots and lots of listeners of the changelog at this conference. And that that's even cooler.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
So this anthology episode covered lots of stuff. The state of enterprise Linux, RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, Alma, Rocky. The list is long. We cover T.XYZ, this new protocol that may give value back, may give rewards back to open source maintainers. That's cool.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
And of course, opensourcepledge.com and Chad's work and David Kramer's hard work on this from Century to support open source maintainers to find ways to find models for for organizations and teams to adhere to so they can give back so they can do the right thing and to support their open source that they're using. And that's cool too. Lots of cool stuff.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Okay, on Friday, a fun friends episode from the hallway track again. Add all things open. Different people, different conversations, maybe a little more fun. I don't know. You tell me. But a massive thank you to our friends at Sentry who happen to be also a sponsor of this episode. Just happenstance. We love Sentry. We use Sentry. Sentry is awesome. And our friends over at Coder, coder.com.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
8sleep, 8sleep.com slash changelog. My gosh, get one of these. Sleep on it. It will change your sleep life. Trust me. And of course, our friends at Assembly AI. Check them out, assemblyai.com. And those beats, they're bangin', bangin', bangin'. Thank you, Great Mesa Cylinder, for those bangin' beats. The beat freak in residence, always bringin' the beats. So good. Okay, that's it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
This show's done. What are you still doing here? It's time to go. We'll see you on Friday, okay? We'll see you on Friday.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
We purposely wanted to have you on here. We could have had others talk, and it's not we don't want to talk to them, it's that we want to hear from an engineer that doesn't have a dog in the fight insofar as you're trying to sell something or market something. We want to hear from an engineer who cares about and has been at Red Hat since 2019, is that right?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
So you've been there for a while.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Okay, friends, this is the changelog and we're going back to the hallway track at All Things Open 2024 in Raleigh, North Carolina. This episode features Carl George, Principal Software Engineer at Red Hat for discussion on the state of open source enterprise Linux and RHEL, better known as Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
So Dave, when I look at Sentry, I see you driving towards full application health, error monitoring where things began, session replay, being able to replay a view of the interface a user had going on when they experienced an issue with full tracing, full data, the advancements you're making with tracing and profiling, cron monitoring, code coverage, user feedback. and just tons of integrations.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Yeah, let's go back to that. We've set the premise that you're a credible person to talk to. You're not selling anything. You're not marketing. Not that they're bad people, but we don't want to be marketed to. We want to hear the From an engineer, from the inside. Layout, CentOS, it's not dead, it's still there.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
How that relates to RHEL, how that relates to Fedora, and the whole life cycle of how you get to these packages that people can rebuild off of, and this sort of conundrum of the open source enterprise Linux we live in.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)
Give me a glimpse into the inevitable future. What are you driving towards?