Antonia Hitchens

So I think fresh off of what she would cast as a victory in New York with Project Veritas, she returns to her university kind of armed with this camera and with this, I guess you could call it skill set that she wants to start using on her own.

She secretly records these interactions with administrators who are, as university administrators can be wont to do, kind of patiently and slightly indulgently humoring a student's idea for a club that is meant to be sympathetic to ISIS.

And, you know, they're kind of pushing her to make it more about humanitarian work in the Middle East.

And these long interactions are captured on her secret camera, leading to her

expulsion.

However, what's unsuccessful at her university is, in fact, very successful elsewhere.

And James O'Keefe begins to replicate a very similar version of that script at other universities around the country.

And so when a different Veritas operative is implementing that script at Cornell, it becomes sort of a newsworthy enough moment that Sean Hannity features it on his show and Trump

watching Hannity then, you know, in 2015, not having yet announced his run for president, faxes James O'Keefe and says, why don't you come and meet with me?

You know, I like what you're doing.

And they meet in Trump Tower and discuss that and other things.

And Loomer, in her telling, was invited to that meeting with the president but could not attend because she was waylaid in Florida with paperwork to do with her expulsion.

And so although she couldn't come to the meeting, she felt already like

you know, I'm on my way.

I'm going to be soon someone who not only interacts with Donald Trump, but goes to the Oval Office.

And she recalls thinking this before Trump has even announced his run.

It's the experience almost of talking to the internet.

There's no sense of the kind of normal cadence and rhythm of conversation and back and forth I think is interrupted by the sense that one, she was banned for so long that

She's almost breathless trying to get in everything she wants to say, as though there's kind of like a hangover from all the years when she couldn't speak.

And then also everything is cast in this kind of very heightened, intense way of things that are trending on the Internet that to the untrained eye to someone without a cell phone don't even have the kind of currency or intensity of the way she's speaking about them.