Anne Morriss

This is for you, honey.

Well, yeah.

Things went a little awry on the governance front.

But yes, that is a true statement.

There were some midnight board meetings.

I love that we started the season this way because I also want us to be able to refer back to this conversation.

Yeah.

Because what's interesting is I think we wrote the book 10 years ago.

You did the research 20 years ago.

And yet this is still a tension we see in organizations everywhere.

And so this is one of the things we are going to push on this season is how do you acknowledge that gravity also applies to you as a leader, as an organization, as a parent, as a human being?

And Frances, I have to tell you, we're going to be writing about it in the fourth book, too.

Because it is a secret memo that needs to be out there.

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