Anna Marie Wiley

Hi, Megan. Thank you so much for having me. I was really looking forward to meeting you.

Hi, Megan. Thank you so much for having me. I was really looking forward to meeting you.

I got half a season. Half a season. You know, I was really excited for the season. It was something that, you know, kind of fell into my lap out of nowhere. You know, it was nothing that was on my radar. It's not anything that I auditioned for. I guess they had filmed half a season and then one of the cast members reached out to me.

I got half a season. Half a season. You know, I was really excited for the season. It was something that, you know, kind of fell into my lap out of nowhere. You know, it was nothing that was on my radar. It's not anything that I auditioned for. I guess they had filmed half a season and then one of the cast members reached out to me.

I had met her randomly at a party at her home a few months prior and And she reached out to me on social media and said, Hey, you know, we just started filming season 13 of the housewives and productions looking for a new housewife. Would you be interested?

I had met her randomly at a party at her home a few months prior and And she reached out to me on social media and said, Hey, you know, we just started filming season 13 of the housewives and productions looking for a new housewife. Would you be interested?

And, you know, I talked to my husband about it again, because, you know, I was very happy being a private person, you know, letting my husband be the person in the spotlight, being a wife, a mother, a professional, I'm a nurse anesthetist, you know, just taking care of my family and my home and, And I'd never really wanted or craved to be in the spotlight. But he was like, you know what?

And, you know, I talked to my husband about it again, because, you know, I was very happy being a private person, you know, letting my husband be the person in the spotlight, being a wife, a mother, a professional, I'm a nurse anesthetist, you know, just taking care of my family and my home and, And I'd never really wanted or craved to be in the spotlight. But he was like, you know what?

You are a multi-hyphenate. I think this would be a really great platform for you. And I thought it would be a really great opportunity for me to showcase a

You are a multi-hyphenate. I think this would be a really great platform for you. And I thought it would be a really great opportunity for me to showcase a

nuclear black family because I think that that is something that is missing from mainstream programming right now and also a good opportunity just to showcase a different kind of housewife you know like I yes I come from a very varied background I was born in Canada I was born to a Dutch mother a Nigerian father I was put up for adoption when I was born and

nuclear black family because I think that that is something that is missing from mainstream programming right now and also a good opportunity just to showcase a different kind of housewife you know like I yes I come from a very varied background I was born in Canada I was born to a Dutch mother a Nigerian father I was put up for adoption when I was born and

And then at two weeks old, I was adopted by a Dutch Indonesian family. So I grew up in an Asian household. Um, I grew up in a very small, um, rural town about an hour and a half outside of Vancouver, um, raised by a single mother. I had two sisters, one of whom was also adopted and, you know, very humble, very humble beginnings. And I played sports my entire life.

And then at two weeks old, I was adopted by a Dutch Indonesian family. So I grew up in an Asian household. Um, I grew up in a very small, um, rural town about an hour and a half outside of Vancouver, um, raised by a single mother. I had two sisters, one of whom was also adopted and, you know, very humble, very humble beginnings. And I played sports my entire life.

Um, I started running track when I was five years old. I had many, many, many knee surgeries. And so I switched over to basketball. I played all through high school and college. I was a collegiate basketball player as well. And that was really how I was able to afford to go to school and get my education, get my nursing degree. And then six months after that, I moved here as a travel nurse.

Um, I started running track when I was five years old. I had many, many, many knee surgeries. And so I switched over to basketball. I played all through high school and college. I was a collegiate basketball player as well. And that was really how I was able to afford to go to school and get my education, get my nursing degree. And then six months after that, I moved here as a travel nurse.

I worked very, very long hours. I started grad school. And then I met my husband, this big NFL player. So I kind of have, and Marcellus does too, we have this kind of rags to riches, adversity to affluence sort of stories. And those were things that I wanted to be able to share with the viewers. I wanted to be someone that was relatable.

I worked very, very long hours. I started grad school. And then I met my husband, this big NFL player. So I kind of have, and Marcellus does too, we have this kind of rags to riches, adversity to affluence sort of stories. And those were things that I wanted to be able to share with the viewers. I wanted to be someone that was relatable.

Yeah, see, it was very interesting because when it was first announced that I was going to be filming for the season, the narrative was so positive and everyone was so excited. It was, you know, wife of Marcellus Wiley. She has such a full and exciting life. She's a mother. She's a professional. You know, they're going to be a wonderful addition to the show. Everyone was really, really excited.

Yeah, see, it was very interesting because when it was first announced that I was going to be filming for the season, the narrative was so positive and everyone was so excited. It was, you know, wife of Marcellus Wiley. She has such a full and exciting life. She's a mother. She's a professional. You know, they're going to be a wonderful addition to the show. Everyone was really, really excited.

And then someone went and dug up stuff, as the media likes to do, and they found this clip of Marcellus, I think years prior, saying that he would not be in favor of our daughters playing sports against transgender females. So he's saying he would protect our daughters. He would not allow that to happen. And immediately, the narrative completely shifted.

And then someone went and dug up stuff, as the media likes to do, and they found this clip of Marcellus, I think years prior, saying that he would not be in favor of our daughters playing sports against transgender females. So he's saying he would protect our daughters. He would not allow that to happen. And immediately, the narrative completely shifted.

We and I were completely vilified, labeled transphobic. They went so far as to even say, you know, they're like, she follows Candace Owens on social media. She's best friends with Candace Owens. I've actually never met Candace Owens. I do think she's brilliant, but I've never met her. But, you know, saying I was best friends with Candace Owens.

We and I were completely vilified, labeled transphobic. They went so far as to even say, you know, they're like, she follows Candace Owens on social media. She's best friends with Candace Owens. I've actually never met Candace Owens. I do think she's brilliant, but I've never met her. But, you know, saying I was best friends with Candace Owens.

And so, like I said, it just the narrative completely changed from this, this she's going to be a perfect fit. We're so excited about her to very, very dark. She's transphobic. And, you know, then I was essentially the media essentially canceled me. What a shock.

And so, like I said, it just the narrative completely changed from this, this she's going to be a perfect fit. We're so excited about her to very, very dark. She's transphobic. And, you know, then I was essentially the media essentially canceled me. What a shock.

Right. And it was very interesting, though, because when I look at that whole Candace Owens piece, I want to get this in quickly. The reason that I started following Candace Owens, because I was never into politics prior to any of this. I was, you know, I was actually a lifelong Democrat, you know, coming from Canada.

Right. And it was very interesting, though, because when I look at that whole Candace Owens piece, I want to get this in quickly. The reason that I started following Candace Owens, because I was never into politics prior to any of this. I was, you know, I was actually a lifelong Democrat, you know, coming from Canada.

I was very in favor of very strong social systems, but I was a lifelong Democrat. And Remember in 2000, I think it was 2021, when Balenciaga put out that campaign, the pedophilia campaign. I was outraged. I was absolutely outraged. As a mother with four children, I was outraged. And I did not understand, Megan, why so many people were so quiet on the issue.

I was very in favor of very strong social systems, but I was a lifelong Democrat. And Remember in 2000, I think it was 2021, when Balenciaga put out that campaign, the pedophilia campaign. I was outraged. I was absolutely outraged. As a mother with four children, I was outraged. And I did not understand, Megan, why so many people were so quiet on the issue.

And on social media, some of the people that I did notice talking about it were you and Tucker Carlson, who I also didn't know who he was at the time and Candace Owens, who, again, I didn't know who she was at the time, but I started following her because she was covering so much of it.

And on social media, some of the people that I did notice talking about it were you and Tucker Carlson, who I also didn't know who he was at the time and Candace Owens, who, again, I didn't know who she was at the time, but I started following her because she was covering so much of it.

And so when, when that was weaponized against me, you know, saying, well, she's best friends with Candace Owens because I was opposed to pedophilia. Yeah. Yeah. It was really disturbing. It was very, very disturbing.

And so when, when that was weaponized against me, you know, saying, well, she's best friends with Candace Owens because I was opposed to pedophilia. Yeah. Yeah. It was really disturbing. It was very, very disturbing.

You know what? It's, it's the white house. For me, it wasn't even a deterrent that it is a Trump White House. You get invited to the White House. For me, it's a bucket list thing. And it was the most incredible day. I will tell you that we were surrounded by so many open minded people. inspiring and welcoming people. It was an absolutely fantastic ceremony.

You know what? It's, it's the white house. For me, it wasn't even a deterrent that it is a Trump White House. You get invited to the White House. For me, it's a bucket list thing. And it was the most incredible day. I will tell you that we were surrounded by so many open minded people. inspiring and welcoming people. It was an absolutely fantastic ceremony.

His address to all of us there was incredible. He honored so many wonderful Black Americans, and he really instilled so much hope in every one of us that was there. It was an absolutely fantastic day.

His address to all of us there was incredible. He honored so many wonderful Black Americans, and he really instilled so much hope in every one of us that was there. It was an absolutely fantastic day.

You know what? Ask him that question because he he will answer those kinds of things in his own unique sort of way.

You know what? Ask him that question because he he will answer those kinds of things in his own unique sort of way.

It's good. That's the other thing is people always think that a married couple has to agree on everything. And we do not. We do not agree on everything all the time. That's why it was very interesting. Again, going back to, you know, when we were labeled as transphobic, we had a lot of things that we disagreed on. And I was never someone that spoke publicly about that.

It's good. That's the other thing is people always think that a married couple has to agree on everything. And we do not. We do not agree on everything all the time. That's why it was very interesting. Again, going back to, you know, when we were labeled as transphobic, we had a lot of things that we disagreed on. And I was never someone that spoke publicly about that.

And and he was and it was because he did and because of his views that it was assumed that those were my views as well. But, you know, I had never I had never been asked if I was a Republican or Democrat. As I told you, I I was a lifelong Democrat until this election cycle. And in terms of the transphobia issue.

And and he was and it was because he did and because of his views that it was assumed that those were my views as well. But, you know, I had never I had never been asked if I was a Republican or Democrat. As I told you, I I was a lifelong Democrat until this election cycle. And in terms of the transphobia issue.

you know i was a lifelong athlete i actually need bilateral knee replacements now um because of what i gave to my sport and it's just very interesting how that was something that marcella said so many years ago and now there are so many people that are coming out it's almost like it is acceptable to say that like stephen a said it recently right someone who works for espn He said it recently.

you know i was a lifelong athlete i actually need bilateral knee replacements now um because of what i gave to my sport and it's just very interesting how that was something that marcella said so many years ago and now there are so many people that are coming out it's almost like it is acceptable to say that like stephen a said it recently right someone who works for espn He said it recently.

And so that really points to, okay, well- I think we have that actually, Anna Maria.

And so that really points to, okay, well- I think we have that actually, Anna Maria.

Right on. Amen. Keep going. And again, that is something that 80% of the country is in alignment with, you know, and you have, there are certain things that you just cannot, you cannot overlook, right? Heart size, lung capacity, VO2 max, oxygen carrying capacity. You know, those are just things that are undeniable and they're not about hatred. They're not about transphobia.

Right on. Amen. Keep going. And again, that is something that 80% of the country is in alignment with, you know, and you have, there are certain things that you just cannot, you cannot overlook, right? Heart size, lung capacity, VO2 max, oxygen carrying capacity. You know, those are just things that are undeniable and they're not about hatred. They're not about transphobia.

They're not about bigotry. They're just, they're just science and it's fairness and safety.

They're not about bigotry. They're just, they're just science and it's fairness and safety.

Correct.

Correct.

Exactly. And I'm like, and we're a sports family. Like my husband played in the NFL for 10 years. I would, and he didn't play basketball and he could still beat me. I would never in a million years want to play against him. My nine-year-old son could probably beat me now. And another interesting thing is there's a clip of Serena Williams, like years ago on Letterman and she,

Exactly. And I'm like, and we're a sports family. Like my husband played in the NFL for 10 years. I would, and he didn't play basketball and he could still beat me. I would never in a million years want to play against him. My nine-year-old son could probably beat me now. And another interesting thing is there's a clip of Serena Williams, like years ago on Letterman and she,

She was talking about, I think it was Andy Roddick had asked her if she would play against the men. And she said, no, she said, no, you would beat me six zero. And I like to play against the women. So she she really addressed this a long time ago before this was a, you know, hot button, no go zone topic. But because it was before this, it flew under the radar.

She was talking about, I think it was Andy Roddick had asked her if she would play against the men. And she said, no, she said, no, you would beat me six zero. And I like to play against the women. So she she really addressed this a long time ago before this was a, you know, hot button, no go zone topic. But because it was before this, it flew under the radar.

But really, she addressed this and said the same thing.

But really, she addressed this and said the same thing.

Yeah, I think this is really one of the reasons why I say that I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me. I can't think of any woman that is OK with being referred to as an inseminated woman. It just goes so far away from valuing mothers and, you know, really paying homage to what what we go through to be given that blessing. It's yeah, it's really indefensible.

Yeah, I think this is really one of the reasons why I say that I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me. I can't think of any woman that is OK with being referred to as an inseminated woman. It just goes so far away from valuing mothers and, you know, really paying homage to what what we go through to be given that blessing. It's yeah, it's really indefensible.

Yeah, it really does. And, you know, it's happening in the name of inclusion. And I think that's where a lot of people also get lost because you're using terms like, Like, you know, if you don't agree with this, then you're not being inclusive or you're being transphobic because of that.

Yeah, it really does. And, you know, it's happening in the name of inclusion. And I think that's where a lot of people also get lost because you're using terms like, Like, you know, if you don't agree with this, then you're not being inclusive or you're being transphobic because of that.

And you're really doing it in a way to to silence people and force hate their way for not going according to a certain agenda. And, you know, all we're saying here is, no, we're women here. We want to be respected as such and appreciated as such and not just, you know, relegated down to labels that don't value us as who we are. And I think that's really what's happening.

And you're really doing it in a way to to silence people and force hate their way for not going according to a certain agenda. And, you know, all we're saying here is, no, we're women here. We want to be respected as such and appreciated as such and not just, you know, relegated down to labels that don't value us as who we are. And I think that's really what's happening.

Yeah, well, I do understand and I do appreciate that there are some gray areas, right? There are some situations where I do feel like the situation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. But I think when it's something that is just very clear cut of the XX versus XY, I think we just need to go back to the basics and understand that once someone who was assigned male at birth

Yeah, well, I do understand and I do appreciate that there are some gray areas, right? There are some situations where I do feel like the situation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. But I think when it's something that is just very clear cut of the XX versus XY, I think we just need to go back to the basics and understand that once someone who was assigned male at birth

goes through puberty, there are undeniable physical differences that exist that hormone replacement or, you know, blockers and things like that, they can't account for that difference. And it does become an issue of safety and it does become an issue of fairness. And it's not about trying to exclude anyone from participation.

goes through puberty, there are undeniable physical differences that exist that hormone replacement or, you know, blockers and things like that, they can't account for that difference. And it does become an issue of safety and it does become an issue of fairness. And it's not about trying to exclude anyone from participation.

If you look at it the other way, when you have trans male athletes, they're still competing with the females. But it only becomes an issue when you have the trans women that are competing with the women. Right.

If you look at it the other way, when you have trans male athletes, they're still competing with the females. But it only becomes an issue when you have the trans women that are competing with the women. Right.

I do that in only the vein of not offending anyone. I think, you know, I have no problem with anyone wanting to live their life the way that they choose, do what makes you happy. I think it only becomes an issue when there are other people that are being affected by it. And, you know, if someone doesn't wanna use that language, you know, you can't force them to use that language.

I do that in only the vein of not offending anyone. I think, you know, I have no problem with anyone wanting to live their life the way that they choose, do what makes you happy. I think it only becomes an issue when there are other people that are being affected by it. And, you know, if someone doesn't wanna use that language, you know, you can't force them to use that language.

If someone, you know, once you become once you come into spaces where women don't feel comfortable, that's when it needs to be respected. So really, I'm just offering respect that I would hope that we would get back as women.

If someone, you know, once you become once you come into spaces where women don't feel comfortable, that's when it needs to be respected. So really, I'm just offering respect that I would hope that we would get back as women.

Yeah. You know, I'm asked all the time because I'm very vocal about this on my social media pages specifically. People are like it affects such a small percentage of people. Why do you care so much about this issue? And I think really. the issues surrounding it is it's kind of like it's turning up the temperature little bits at a time to see what we as a society will tolerate.

Yeah. You know, I'm asked all the time because I'm very vocal about this on my social media pages specifically. People are like it affects such a small percentage of people. Why do you care so much about this issue? And I think really. the issues surrounding it is it's kind of like it's turning up the temperature little bits at a time to see what we as a society will tolerate.

And so I think people that can foresee the bigger issue that this becomes, if you are allowing, you know, someone born male to compete against women. And you know, you're essentially erasing what it means to be female biologically, then what is going to happen next? What comes after this? Like things will just keep falling.

And so I think people that can foresee the bigger issue that this becomes, if you are allowing, you know, someone born male to compete against women. And you know, you're essentially erasing what it means to be female biologically, then what is going to happen next? What comes after this? Like things will just keep falling.

And you know, I don't want my, my girls to look up 10, 20 years from now and be like, where did this all come from?

And you know, I don't want my, my girls to look up 10, 20 years from now and be like, where did this all come from?

And they're going to say, where did this come from? And I can't live with myself knowing that I didn't say anything about it at the time about how ludicrous this issue actually is and the fact that people won't speak out against it. Women who label themselves feminists won't speak out against it. Women won't speak out against it. And I did mention this on my social media.

And they're going to say, where did this come from? And I can't live with myself knowing that I didn't say anything about it at the time about how ludicrous this issue actually is and the fact that people won't speak out against it. Women who label themselves feminists won't speak out against it. Women won't speak out against it. And I did mention this on my social media.

You know, there's a reason why people are always silent on this issue, because if you say something about it, if you speak out against trans athletes competing in women's sports, that's when you get labeled like these words are going to call you a bigot. You call you a bigot. They call you transphobic. These words are used as weapons in order to scare people into silence.

You know, there's a reason why people are always silent on this issue, because if you say something about it, if you speak out against trans athletes competing in women's sports, that's when you get labeled like these words are going to call you a bigot. You call you a bigot. They call you transphobic. These words are used as weapons in order to scare people into silence.

And they don't want to lose endorsements. They don't want to lose contracts. We've been at events where we've seen female athletes speaking on panels. And then when they were, you know, when they're telling us quietly, like, oh, it's crazy, or they're texting us. That's crazy. But then when you when they're asked by the moderator, that exact question, they will go into a very, very PC answer.

And they don't want to lose endorsements. They don't want to lose contracts. We've been at events where we've seen female athletes speaking on panels. And then when they were, you know, when they're telling us quietly, like, oh, it's crazy, or they're texting us. That's crazy. But then when you when they're asked by the moderator, that exact question, they will go into a very, very PC answer.

And you're thinking to yourself, really, you were Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. If you were competing against a biological male in your sport, you wouldn't be who you are, you wouldn't have your records. You wouldn't have all your gold medals. Like that would not be a thing.

And you're thinking to yourself, really, you were Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. If you were competing against a biological male in your sport, you wouldn't be who you are, you wouldn't have your records. You wouldn't have all your gold medals. Like that would not be a thing.

So for someone to, you know, people are so afraid to speak up about this because they're afraid of getting canceled like I was for it.

So for someone to, you know, people are so afraid to speak up about this because they're afraid of getting canceled like I was for it.

Hi, Megan. Thank you so much for having me. I was really looking forward to meeting you.

I got half a season. Half a season. You know, I was really excited for the season. It was something that, you know, kind of fell into my lap out of nowhere. You know, it was nothing that was on my radar. It's not anything that I auditioned for. I guess they had filmed half a season and then one of the cast members reached out to me.

I had met her randomly at a party at her home a few months prior and And she reached out to me on social media and said, Hey, you know, we just started filming season 13 of the housewives and productions looking for a new housewife. Would you be interested?

And, you know, I talked to my husband about it again, because, you know, I was very happy being a private person, you know, letting my husband be the person in the spotlight, being a wife, a mother, a professional, I'm a nurse anesthetist, you know, just taking care of my family and my home and, And I'd never really wanted or craved to be in the spotlight. But he was like, you know what?

You are a multi-hyphenate. I think this would be a really great platform for you. And I thought it would be a really great opportunity for me to showcase a

nuclear black family because I think that that is something that is missing from mainstream programming right now and also a good opportunity just to showcase a different kind of housewife you know like I yes I come from a very varied background I was born in Canada I was born to a Dutch mother a Nigerian father I was put up for adoption when I was born and

And then at two weeks old, I was adopted by a Dutch Indonesian family. So I grew up in an Asian household. Um, I grew up in a very small, um, rural town about an hour and a half outside of Vancouver, um, raised by a single mother. I had two sisters, one of whom was also adopted and, you know, very humble, very humble beginnings. And I played sports my entire life.

Um, I started running track when I was five years old. I had many, many, many knee surgeries. And so I switched over to basketball. I played all through high school and college. I was a collegiate basketball player as well. And that was really how I was able to afford to go to school and get my education, get my nursing degree. And then six months after that, I moved here as a travel nurse.

I worked very, very long hours. I started grad school. And then I met my husband, this big NFL player. So I kind of have, and Marcellus does too, we have this kind of rags to riches, adversity to affluence sort of stories. And those were things that I wanted to be able to share with the viewers. I wanted to be someone that was relatable.

Yeah, see, it was very interesting because when it was first announced that I was going to be filming for the season, the narrative was so positive and everyone was so excited. It was, you know, wife of Marcellus Wiley. She has such a full and exciting life. She's a mother. She's a professional. You know, they're going to be a wonderful addition to the show. Everyone was really, really excited.

And then someone went and dug up stuff, as the media likes to do, and they found this clip of Marcellus, I think years prior, saying that he would not be in favor of our daughters playing sports against transgender females. So he's saying he would protect our daughters. He would not allow that to happen. And immediately, the narrative completely shifted.

We and I were completely vilified, labeled transphobic. They went so far as to even say, you know, they're like, she follows Candace Owens on social media. She's best friends with Candace Owens. I've actually never met Candace Owens. I do think she's brilliant, but I've never met her. But, you know, saying I was best friends with Candace Owens.

And so, like I said, it just the narrative completely changed from this, this she's going to be a perfect fit. We're so excited about her to very, very dark. She's transphobic. And, you know, then I was essentially the media essentially canceled me. What a shock.

Right. And it was very interesting, though, because when I look at that whole Candace Owens piece, I want to get this in quickly. The reason that I started following Candace Owens, because I was never into politics prior to any of this. I was, you know, I was actually a lifelong Democrat, you know, coming from Canada.

I was very in favor of very strong social systems, but I was a lifelong Democrat. And Remember in 2000, I think it was 2021, when Balenciaga put out that campaign, the pedophilia campaign. I was outraged. I was absolutely outraged. As a mother with four children, I was outraged. And I did not understand, Megan, why so many people were so quiet on the issue.

And on social media, some of the people that I did notice talking about it were you and Tucker Carlson, who I also didn't know who he was at the time and Candace Owens, who, again, I didn't know who she was at the time, but I started following her because she was covering so much of it.

And so when, when that was weaponized against me, you know, saying, well, she's best friends with Candace Owens because I was opposed to pedophilia. Yeah. Yeah. It was really disturbing. It was very, very disturbing.

You know what? It's, it's the white house. For me, it wasn't even a deterrent that it is a Trump White House. You get invited to the White House. For me, it's a bucket list thing. And it was the most incredible day. I will tell you that we were surrounded by so many open minded people. inspiring and welcoming people. It was an absolutely fantastic ceremony.

His address to all of us there was incredible. He honored so many wonderful Black Americans, and he really instilled so much hope in every one of us that was there. It was an absolutely fantastic day.

You know what? Ask him that question because he he will answer those kinds of things in his own unique sort of way.

It's good. That's the other thing is people always think that a married couple has to agree on everything. And we do not. We do not agree on everything all the time. That's why it was very interesting. Again, going back to, you know, when we were labeled as transphobic, we had a lot of things that we disagreed on. And I was never someone that spoke publicly about that.

And and he was and it was because he did and because of his views that it was assumed that those were my views as well. But, you know, I had never I had never been asked if I was a Republican or Democrat. As I told you, I I was a lifelong Democrat until this election cycle. And in terms of the transphobia issue.

you know i was a lifelong athlete i actually need bilateral knee replacements now um because of what i gave to my sport and it's just very interesting how that was something that marcella said so many years ago and now there are so many people that are coming out it's almost like it is acceptable to say that like stephen a said it recently right someone who works for espn He said it recently.

And so that really points to, okay, well- I think we have that actually, Anna Maria.

Right on. Amen. Keep going. And again, that is something that 80% of the country is in alignment with, you know, and you have, there are certain things that you just cannot, you cannot overlook, right? Heart size, lung capacity, VO2 max, oxygen carrying capacity. You know, those are just things that are undeniable and they're not about hatred. They're not about transphobia.

They're not about bigotry. They're just, they're just science and it's fairness and safety.

Correct.

Exactly. And I'm like, and we're a sports family. Like my husband played in the NFL for 10 years. I would, and he didn't play basketball and he could still beat me. I would never in a million years want to play against him. My nine-year-old son could probably beat me now. And another interesting thing is there's a clip of Serena Williams, like years ago on Letterman and she,

She was talking about, I think it was Andy Roddick had asked her if she would play against the men. And she said, no, she said, no, you would beat me six zero. And I like to play against the women. So she she really addressed this a long time ago before this was a, you know, hot button, no go zone topic. But because it was before this, it flew under the radar.

But really, she addressed this and said the same thing.

Yeah, I think this is really one of the reasons why I say that I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me. I can't think of any woman that is OK with being referred to as an inseminated woman. It just goes so far away from valuing mothers and, you know, really paying homage to what what we go through to be given that blessing. It's yeah, it's really indefensible.

Yeah, it really does. And, you know, it's happening in the name of inclusion. And I think that's where a lot of people also get lost because you're using terms like, Like, you know, if you don't agree with this, then you're not being inclusive or you're being transphobic because of that.

And you're really doing it in a way to to silence people and force hate their way for not going according to a certain agenda. And, you know, all we're saying here is, no, we're women here. We want to be respected as such and appreciated as such and not just, you know, relegated down to labels that don't value us as who we are. And I think that's really what's happening.

Yeah, well, I do understand and I do appreciate that there are some gray areas, right? There are some situations where I do feel like the situation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. But I think when it's something that is just very clear cut of the XX versus XY, I think we just need to go back to the basics and understand that once someone who was assigned male at birth

goes through puberty, there are undeniable physical differences that exist that hormone replacement or, you know, blockers and things like that, they can't account for that difference. And it does become an issue of safety and it does become an issue of fairness. And it's not about trying to exclude anyone from participation.

If you look at it the other way, when you have trans male athletes, they're still competing with the females. But it only becomes an issue when you have the trans women that are competing with the women. Right.

I do that in only the vein of not offending anyone. I think, you know, I have no problem with anyone wanting to live their life the way that they choose, do what makes you happy. I think it only becomes an issue when there are other people that are being affected by it. And, you know, if someone doesn't wanna use that language, you know, you can't force them to use that language.

If someone, you know, once you become once you come into spaces where women don't feel comfortable, that's when it needs to be respected. So really, I'm just offering respect that I would hope that we would get back as women.

Yeah. You know, I'm asked all the time because I'm very vocal about this on my social media pages specifically. People are like it affects such a small percentage of people. Why do you care so much about this issue? And I think really. the issues surrounding it is it's kind of like it's turning up the temperature little bits at a time to see what we as a society will tolerate.

And so I think people that can foresee the bigger issue that this becomes, if you are allowing, you know, someone born male to compete against women. And you know, you're essentially erasing what it means to be female biologically, then what is going to happen next? What comes after this? Like things will just keep falling.

And you know, I don't want my, my girls to look up 10, 20 years from now and be like, where did this all come from?

And they're going to say, where did this come from? And I can't live with myself knowing that I didn't say anything about it at the time about how ludicrous this issue actually is and the fact that people won't speak out against it. Women who label themselves feminists won't speak out against it. Women won't speak out against it. And I did mention this on my social media.

You know, there's a reason why people are always silent on this issue, because if you say something about it, if you speak out against trans athletes competing in women's sports, that's when you get labeled like these words are going to call you a bigot. You call you a bigot. They call you transphobic. These words are used as weapons in order to scare people into silence.

And they don't want to lose endorsements. They don't want to lose contracts. We've been at events where we've seen female athletes speaking on panels. And then when they were, you know, when they're telling us quietly, like, oh, it's crazy, or they're texting us. That's crazy. But then when you when they're asked by the moderator, that exact question, they will go into a very, very PC answer.

And you're thinking to yourself, really, you were Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. If you were competing against a biological male in your sport, you wouldn't be who you are, you wouldn't have your records. You wouldn't have all your gold medals. Like that would not be a thing.

So for someone to, you know, people are so afraid to speak up about this because they're afraid of getting canceled like I was for it.

There was a lot of disrespect of nurses happening. My profession was constantly being diminished. Versus like you're not a doctor. Right. And let's talk about that too.

There was a lot of disrespect of nurses happening. My profession was constantly being diminished. Versus like you're not a doctor. Right. And let's talk about that too.

Because nurse anesthesiologists are doctors. I have a master's degree because that's what my requirement was of my program when I graduated 11 years ago. But 10% of CRNAs are doctors. They are doctorate trained. And as of next year, every single CRNA that graduates has a doctorate degree. So we are doctors. Thank you.

Because nurse anesthesiologists are doctors. I have a master's degree because that's what my requirement was of my program when I graduated 11 years ago. But 10% of CRNAs are doctors. They are doctorate trained. And as of next year, every single CRNA that graduates has a doctorate degree. So we are doctors. Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was a lot of disrespect of nurses happening. My profession was constantly being diminished. Versus like you're not a doctor. Right. And let's talk about that too.

Because nurse anesthesiologists are doctors. I have a master's degree because that's what my requirement was of my program when I graduated 11 years ago. But 10% of CRNAs are doctors. They are doctorate trained. And as of next year, every single CRNA that graduates has a doctorate degree. So we are doctors. Thank you.

Yeah.