Andrew Gallimore

Oh, early.

I'm giving my age away here.

Early days, yeah.

So I spent all my time just...

you know going on to Alta Vista remember Alta Vista I do yeah I didn't I didn't remember it until you brought it up there we go yeah just kind of trying to find out as much as I could about this and that was what triggered my decision to study chemistry and pharmacology my kind of academic journey was was triggered by I want to know you know it's such a cool thing the idea that you can

You can put a molecule in your brain and it doesn't just change how you feel, but it completely changes the entire structure of your reality.

Your entire world is obliterated and replaced with one that is completely alien, that isn't a relationship whatsoever to the normal waking world.

That's incredible.

And I kind of wanted to try at least to understand how that actually works.

Exactly.

And that is kind of the great mystery.

And I don't... I think...

Most people who, even people who've kind of learned about DMT, even scientists, I mean, I speak to scientists.

I engage with scientists, neuroscientists often, and they will say, oh, this is just hallucination.

This is just your brain kind of making it up.

And I don't think most scientists realize how confounding and how difficult to explain the DMT state is.

I think it is one of life's true mysteries.

It is not simple to explain the DMT state.

No.

And I mean, that was what... I mean, I first learned about DMT, as I said, when I was 15 or 16.