Aliza Kaplan

What do you say to that? Yeah. Well, they were younger, right? This is actually very common in families where there's abuse, that there's one child who takes on the majority of it and want to protect the others and the family.

Yeah, and I think, you know, those are things that Ellen will live with for the rest of her life. And she clearly understands how much damage she has caused her sister.

Yeah, and I think, you know, those are things that Ellen will live with for the rest of her life. And she clearly understands how much damage she has caused her sister.

Yeah, and I think, you know, those are things that Ellen will live with for the rest of her life. And she clearly understands how much damage she has caused her sister.

She asked to not talk. She said, I want to remain silent, right? She was there for 10 hours straight.

She asked to not talk. She said, I want to remain silent, right? She was there for 10 hours straight.

She asked to not talk. She said, I want to remain silent, right? She was there for 10 hours straight.

And look, police have their jobs to do, I get it. I just think the rules are really different when you have a kid. And in that, she looks like a kid. She's acting like a kid. She's in fear like a kid would be.

And look, police have their jobs to do, I get it. I just think the rules are really different when you have a kid. And in that, she looks like a kid. She's acting like a kid. She's in fear like a kid would be.

And look, police have their jobs to do, I get it. I just think the rules are really different when you have a kid. And in that, she looks like a kid. She's acting like a kid. She's in fear like a kid would be.

A grown man reaching over to a 15-year-old girl who was so vulnerable, no matter what her text messages said, no matter what her involvement was, I don't even understand how you don't look at that as him being the controller.

A grown man reaching over to a 15-year-old girl who was so vulnerable, no matter what her text messages said, no matter what her involvement was, I don't even understand how you don't look at that as him being the controller.

A grown man reaching over to a 15-year-old girl who was so vulnerable, no matter what her text messages said, no matter what her involvement was, I don't even understand how you don't look at that as him being the controller.

I run the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. We are looking at Ellen's case, mostly because we believe that she has an excessive sentence. And what is her sentence? 25 years.

I run the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. We are looking at Ellen's case, mostly because we believe that she has an excessive sentence. And what is her sentence? 25 years.

I run the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. We are looking at Ellen's case, mostly because we believe that she has an excessive sentence. And what is her sentence? 25 years.

She was 15. He was 22. And her sentence is so much bigger than his.

She was 15. He was 22. And her sentence is so much bigger than his.

She was 15. He was 22. And her sentence is so much bigger than his.

I want to be very clear, she was involved. She participated. She was a co-conspirator. No doubt, right? She takes full accountability for her role in this crime.