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Alan Rosenstein

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Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

That's different than a generalized data privacy concern. Now, we can have that. That's a very separate conversation, which we can have, about is it a good thing that DoorDash, as John Oliver says, has a picture of your small intestine, right? I don't love that either. But that's not the concern at issue here. The concern here is not just that someone has your data, right?

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

That's different than a generalized data privacy concern. Now, we can have that. That's a very separate conversation, which we can have, about is it a good thing that DoorDash, as John Oliver says, has a picture of your small intestine, right? I don't love that either. But that's not the concern at issue here. The concern here is not just that someone has your data, right?

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The problem is that the Chinese government has your data, and the Chinese government is differently situated towards us and American interests, right? than a for-profit American company is. Now, should we have comprehensive data privacy legislation? Quite possibly.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The problem is that the Chinese government has your data, and the Chinese government is differently situated towards us and American interests, right? than a for-profit American company is. Now, should we have comprehensive data privacy legislation? Quite possibly.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The problem is that the Chinese government has your data, and the Chinese government is differently situated towards us and American interests, right? than a for-profit American company is. Now, should we have comprehensive data privacy legislation? Quite possibly.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But that's just a separate conversation from the conversation here, which is about national security and data privacy, which is why even if you're against this law overall, I don't think you can just say, oh, well, TikTok is no different than any other data-hungry company. It's very different because it ultimately answers to Xi Jinping.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But that's just a separate conversation from the conversation here, which is about national security and data privacy, which is why even if you're against this law overall, I don't think you can just say, oh, well, TikTok is no different than any other data-hungry company. It's very different because it ultimately answers to Xi Jinping.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But that's just a separate conversation from the conversation here, which is about national security and data privacy, which is why even if you're against this law overall, I don't think you can just say, oh, well, TikTok is no different than any other data-hungry company. It's very different because it ultimately answers to Xi Jinping.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And last time I checked, that's just not true of Mark Zuckerberg.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And last time I checked, that's just not true of Mark Zuckerberg.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And last time I checked, that's just not true of Mark Zuckerberg.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah. So when it comes to the data, if you're just a normie American watching cat videos on TikTok, there's not a huge data concern. It's more for the millions of Americans that do have potentially sensitive positions in the government where their viewing history might tell whether Chinese intelligence agencies something useful about them.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah. So when it comes to the data, if you're just a normie American watching cat videos on TikTok, there's not a huge data concern. It's more for the millions of Americans that do have potentially sensitive positions in the government where their viewing history might tell whether Chinese intelligence agencies something useful about them.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah. So when it comes to the data, if you're just a normie American watching cat videos on TikTok, there's not a huge data concern. It's more for the millions of Americans that do have potentially sensitive positions in the government where their viewing history might tell whether Chinese intelligence agencies something useful about them.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Now, it is true that other platforms have a lot of information about them, but those are other platforms and they're not controlled by the Chinese. Now, it's also true that those platforms can sell that data to third-party data brokers, and so the information can get to the Chinese government one way or the other.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Now, it is true that other platforms have a lot of information about them, but those are other platforms and they're not controlled by the Chinese. Now, it's also true that those platforms can sell that data to third-party data brokers, and so the information can get to the Chinese government one way or the other.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Now, it is true that other platforms have a lot of information about them, but those are other platforms and they're not controlled by the Chinese. Now, it's also true that those platforms can sell that data to third-party data brokers, and so the information can get to the Chinese government one way or the other.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But it's actually notable, and this has, I think, been underreported, that simultaneously with the passage of the TikTok law, Congress also passed a law prohibiting the sale, including from data brokers, of information on Americans to countries like China. So Congress actually did try to tighten up the kind of leaky data pipeline.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But it's actually notable, and this has, I think, been underreported, that simultaneously with the passage of the TikTok law, Congress also passed a law prohibiting the sale, including from data brokers, of information on Americans to countries like China. So Congress actually did try to tighten up the kind of leaky data pipeline.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

But it's actually notable, and this has, I think, been underreported, that simultaneously with the passage of the TikTok law, Congress also passed a law prohibiting the sale, including from data brokers, of information on Americans to countries like China. So Congress actually did try to tighten up the kind of leaky data pipeline.