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Alan Rosenstein

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240 total appearances

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Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

So it's not entirely clear what happens. The law works by, although it targets TikTok, it applies to, as you pointed out, app stores like Apple and Google and also cloud service providers like Oracle. These are the actual servers on which TikTok runs in the United States, and that's provided by companies like Oracle. And so the ban applies to these kinds of companies.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so on January 19th, it becomes illegal for Apple to distribute the TikTok app on the App Store and it becomes illegal for Oracle, which is TikTok's U.S. cloud service provider, to provide services to TikTok. So what happens on January 19th? It could be that TikTok just goes dark in the United States and you just cannot access it.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so on January 19th, it becomes illegal for Apple to distribute the TikTok app on the App Store and it becomes illegal for Oracle, which is TikTok's U.S. cloud service provider, to provide services to TikTok. So what happens on January 19th? It could be that TikTok just goes dark in the United States and you just cannot access it.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so on January 19th, it becomes illegal for Apple to distribute the TikTok app on the App Store and it becomes illegal for Oracle, which is TikTok's U.S. cloud service provider, to provide services to TikTok. So what happens on January 19th? It could be that TikTok just goes dark in the United States and you just cannot access it.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

I think more likely what's going to happen is that if TikTok thinks that the ban is really going to go into effect, it will move its infrastructure outside of the United States to physical servers that are not in the United States. Now, that's actually a very tricky thing to do. TikTok is quite large.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

I think more likely what's going to happen is that if TikTok thinks that the ban is really going to go into effect, it will move its infrastructure outside of the United States to physical servers that are not in the United States. Now, that's actually a very tricky thing to do. TikTok is quite large.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

I think more likely what's going to happen is that if TikTok thinks that the ban is really going to go into effect, it will move its infrastructure outside of the United States to physical servers that are not in the United States. Now, that's actually a very tricky thing to do. TikTok is quite large.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so moving to a different cloud service provider is not a trivial thing, but they can probably make something work. And so on January 19th, it actually might be a seamless transition in the sense that if you already have TikTok on your phone, you may still be able to access it. But it might be quite a bit slower because now you're no longer accessing it in the United States.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so moving to a different cloud service provider is not a trivial thing, but they can probably make something work. And so on January 19th, it actually might be a seamless transition in the sense that if you already have TikTok on your phone, you may still be able to access it. But it might be quite a bit slower because now you're no longer accessing it in the United States.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so moving to a different cloud service provider is not a trivial thing, but they can probably make something work. And so on January 19th, it actually might be a seamless transition in the sense that if you already have TikTok on your phone, you may still be able to access it. But it might be quite a bit slower because now you're no longer accessing it in the United States.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And also your app will not upgrade over time. So as TikTok rolls out new features, as it finds bug fixes, your app is just going to stay. And so, you know, I think that for the first day, week, month or two, It may be that TikTok users don't actually experience much, if at all, of a disruption. But the farther we get into the ban, the worse the TikTok experience is going to be.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And also your app will not upgrade over time. So as TikTok rolls out new features, as it finds bug fixes, your app is just going to stay. And so, you know, I think that for the first day, week, month or two, It may be that TikTok users don't actually experience much, if at all, of a disruption. But the farther we get into the ban, the worse the TikTok experience is going to be.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And also your app will not upgrade over time. So as TikTok rolls out new features, as it finds bug fixes, your app is just going to stay. And so, you know, I think that for the first day, week, month or two, It may be that TikTok users don't actually experience much, if at all, of a disruption. But the farther we get into the ban, the worse the TikTok experience is going to be.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And I think the big worry for TikTok is that at some point, that experience will degrade sufficiently, that TikTok users will decide, hey, maybe I should look at one of the competitors like Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And I think the big worry for TikTok is that at some point, that experience will degrade sufficiently, that TikTok users will decide, hey, maybe I should look at one of the competitors like Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And I think the big worry for TikTok is that at some point, that experience will degrade sufficiently, that TikTok users will decide, hey, maybe I should look at one of the competitors like Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah, it's quite a wild story. So. Before he was against the TikTok ban, President Trump was very much for the TikTok ban and, in fact, tried to ban TikTok and WeChat, which is another Chinese-owned communications platform. And he tried to do that under his own authority.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah, it's quite a wild story. So. Before he was against the TikTok ban, President Trump was very much for the TikTok ban and, in fact, tried to ban TikTok and WeChat, which is another Chinese-owned communications platform. And he tried to do that under his own authority.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Yeah, it's quite a wild story. So. Before he was against the TikTok ban, President Trump was very much for the TikTok ban and, in fact, tried to ban TikTok and WeChat, which is another Chinese-owned communications platform. And he tried to do that under his own authority.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Basically, Congress has, over the last 50 years, given the president, really sweeping economic emergency powers to impose sanctions. sanctions and other kinds of economic measures in the interests of national security and foreign policy. And so using those powers, Trump actually tried to ban TikTok.