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Alan Rosenstein

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Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

So Project Texas was this very elaborate and, as far as I can tell, quite well thought out and in good faith attempt to assuage some of the national security concerns.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Because for years before this law was passed, TikTok was in negotiations with a government entity called CFIUS, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which deals with these national security issues when foreign entities invest in the United States and have a large U.S. presence.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Because for years before this law was passed, TikTok was in negotiations with a government entity called CFIUS, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which deals with these national security issues when foreign entities invest in the United States and have a large U.S. presence.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

Because for years before this law was passed, TikTok was in negotiations with a government entity called CFIUS, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which deals with these national security issues when foreign entities invest in the United States and have a large U.S. presence.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And as part of that, they came up with this elaborate plan that they called Project Texas, which, as you point out,

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And as part of that, they came up with this elaborate plan that they called Project Texas, which, as you point out,

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And as part of that, they came up with this elaborate plan that they called Project Texas, which, as you point out,

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

would create sort of a special US-only Oracle cloud in which the US data would be held and actually which the algorithm would be held and that there'd be all these rules and procedures to separate TikTok from ByteDance and that there'd even be a board partially appointed by the US government that would oversee this.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

would create sort of a special US-only Oracle cloud in which the US data would be held and actually which the algorithm would be held and that there'd be all these rules and procedures to separate TikTok from ByteDance and that there'd even be a board partially appointed by the US government that would oversee this.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

would create sort of a special US-only Oracle cloud in which the US data would be held and actually which the algorithm would be held and that there'd be all these rules and procedures to separate TikTok from ByteDance and that there'd even be a board partially appointed by the US government that would oversee this.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so it's hard to know all the details of that and it's particularly hard to know how that would have actually played out in practice. The TikTok's position was that that would have assuaged all or nearly all of the government's concerns, and therefore something like a ban is unnecessary, especially given the First Amendment cost of that ban.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so it's hard to know all the details of that and it's particularly hard to know how that would have actually played out in practice. The TikTok's position was that that would have assuaged all or nearly all of the government's concerns, and therefore something like a ban is unnecessary, especially given the First Amendment cost of that ban.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

And so it's hard to know all the details of that and it's particularly hard to know how that would have actually played out in practice. The TikTok's position was that that would have assuaged all or nearly all of the government's concerns, and therefore something like a ban is unnecessary, especially given the First Amendment cost of that ban.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The government's position, and this was something that Congress agreed with and also that the court agreed with, was that – there would still be too much of a residual risk because at the end of the day, right, unless you have an actual divestment, you still have TikTok being controlled by ByteDance. You still have the algorithm, even if it's

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The government's position, and this was something that Congress agreed with and also that the court agreed with, was that – there would still be too much of a residual risk because at the end of the day, right, unless you have an actual divestment, you still have TikTok being controlled by ByteDance. You still have the algorithm, even if it's

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

The government's position, and this was something that Congress agreed with and also that the court agreed with, was that – there would still be too much of a residual risk because at the end of the day, right, unless you have an actual divestment, you still have TikTok being controlled by ByteDance. You still have the algorithm, even if it's

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

in some sense, held in the United States, it's still getting, it's still being updated from China itself. And we know that because the whole problem that ByteDance is pointing out with the sale is that the Chinese won't let the algorithm fully exit the United States. And that even if you have a good system, it has to be monitored, right? You have to make sure there's no cheating involved.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

in some sense, held in the United States, it's still getting, it's still being updated from China itself. And we know that because the whole problem that ByteDance is pointing out with the sale is that the Chinese won't let the algorithm fully exit the United States. And that even if you have a good system, it has to be monitored, right? You have to make sure there's no cheating involved.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

in some sense, held in the United States, it's still getting, it's still being updated from China itself. And we know that because the whole problem that ByteDance is pointing out with the sale is that the Chinese won't let the algorithm fully exit the United States. And that even if you have a good system, it has to be monitored, right? You have to make sure there's no cheating involved.

Fresh Air
The Looming TikTok Ban

That's very hard to do, right? That would involve the government in this ongoing process of looking at this. And, you know, if what you're concerned about is In a real moment of international emergency, right? Again, the example I think of always is the US and China get into a shooting war with Taiwan.