Alan Dershowitz
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, I think it's a both. Obviously, it's anti-Western, anti-Christian, but it's primarily anti-Semitic in terms of the demonstrations that have occurred. To give an example, a bunch of thugs, one from the law school, one from
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
The Divinity School and a few other people surrounded an Israeli student, put an Arab garb on his head, wouldn't allow him to move, wouldn't allow him to say or do anything. And the school said they would punish these students for their harassing behavior. Instead, the Divinity School made one of them the class marshal, which is the highest honor of graduation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And the other one was given a $65,000 scholarship from the Harvard Law School in order to continue his anti-Israel work at an anti-Israel organization. So in one respect, it understates the problem of anti-Semitism. Harvard not only tolerates it, It teaches it in the Divinity School, which is a cesspool in the name of Christianity, in the false name of Christianity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Divinity School, this is according to the Harvard report, not me, according to the Harvard report, is a centerpiece of anti-Semitism at Harvard. The public health school, similarly. The Carr Center for Human Rights has become a sewer for anti-Semitism. So there is a lot of anti-Semitism. A lot of it is a manifestation of anti-Western, anti-Christian values.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
But the core group that is being attacked because they are a distinct minority are Jews, Israelis, Zionists. Christian Zionists. You know, in my book, The Preventive State, I predicted what happened tragically last week in Washington, D.C. I predicted that there'd be shootings. How did I know there'd be shootings?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because you'll recall this, Megan, I defended many protesters in the 60s and 70s, anti-war protesters. I saw some of my own clients become murderers. Kathy Boudin became a murderer. The line between violent protests, making bombs, shooting somebody is a very thin line.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And so I think we have to take preventive action, including, for example, one of the most important preventive actions you can ever take. is denying people the right to come into the country and deporting them if they engage in illegal conduct. That goes back to the Bible. It's called exile. We call it deportation. They called it exile.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
People were exiled when they threatened the legitimacy of the country. So we can take a lot of... preventive measures to assure that these shootings like last week didn't occur. You know, I got an honorary degree the day after the shootings. The school that gave me the degree had to redouble their security.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
They had to give me a security plan telling me how to escape to make sure that there were policemen there with shields to protect my life. because I'm an outspoken prominent Jew who supports Israel. And everybody has a target on their back. You know, they come for the Jews first, but it's not long before they come for other perceived enemies of the radical correct approach to life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
These folks from DEI and from intersectionality know no principles, no morality, and they will come after you after they come after us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, there's no question that globalizing the Intifada means kill Jews all around the world. And we know that people understand it that way. I think it's intended that way. But even if it weren't intended that way, that's the way it's understood. And we saw this guy who killed these two people was essentially mimicking those statements.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Now, the vast majority of people who participate in these demonstrations would never ever kill. But the majority of people who do kill, who do plant bombs, do shoot, are influenced by these college demonstrations, which have become legitimated. Look, both Vice President Kamala Harris and her vice presidential nominee, both legitimated the protests on campus.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And these protests included From the River to the Sea, There'll Be No Jews, you know, Judenrein, From the River to the Sea, and Globalize the Intifada. Those are incitements to violence. Now, those incitements are protected free speech because they're not directed at a particular person. That doesn't mean Harvard has to tolerate them. You know, the one thing, the one reason why I think it is,
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
anti-Semitism. And the definition of anti-Semitism is very simple, applying a double standard to things Jewish, including the Jewish state. And it is a double standard. What has been tolerated against Jews would never be tolerated against blacks or gays. Can you imagine
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
somebody who had a reputation for harassing blacks or gays on campus, getting elected class marshal, or being given a $65,000 scholarship. It would never happen. It's the double standard. It's what is permissible to be said against Zionists, Christians, Jews. The West can't be said against people who are favored and privileged. And let me use that word very clearly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
There's no group on campus that's more privileged today than African Americans. Gays are privileged on campus. They may not be privileged off campus, but we're talking about on campus. These are the most privileged groups. These are the groups that get all the advantages, and yet we have DEI and we have intersectionality.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And we have all these fake academic programs that are being taught at schools at Harvard, schools at Harvard. And I can tell you, having been there 60 years, today there is no room, no room on the campus for pro-Israel, pro-American, pro-Western statements. I have been retired from Harvard now almost 12 years. I have never been invited back to speak about Israel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
The one time a student group invited me. They had to take my speech off campus for fear that I would be physically harmed if I made the case for a two-state solution for Israel. And let's remember one more thing. Not a single one of these demonstrations, not a single one has ever called for a two-state solution. They do not want Israel to exist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
In fact, they prefer a no-state solution to a two-state solution. Obviously, their preference is for a one-state solution. So none of these demonstrations are pro-Palestinian. They are anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, anti-Western, anti-Christian, and they are embedded within the school. And thank God that Donald Trump is doing something about it. I agree with your prior guest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think that sometimes he goes too far. For example, he shouldn't be defunding cancer research. He shouldn't be keeping students out by denying them visas if they're good students and if they support values that we support. But remember, when it comes to coming into the United States.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
No one has a constitutional right to come into the United States and then preach against the values that make our country- Wait, but let me just say this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, again, I think it's a good idea to reallocate some of the funds to trade schools. Those are very important institutions in America, and they need the money, perhaps more than Harvard with a $53 billion endowment. But again, I think it could be overgeneralized when you focus on all the visas. Look, Harvard has too many foreign students. When I started teaching at Harvard, What, 3%, 5%?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Now it was up to almost 30%. Yeah, almost a third. Every foreign student who gets a place at Harvard means an American student doesn't get a place. I think Harvard has cynically raised the number of foreign students for financial reasons, but it has produced ideological results.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
I think a very high percentage of the anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism is focused on some, not all, obviously, of these foreign students. So I think vetting foreign students is a good idea. By the way, before you can become a citizen of the United States, you have to take all kinds of oaths to support things that the First Amendment would never require you to support.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
So there's a big difference between your rights once you're here and once you're a citizen or a permanent resident and what you can say and then expect to get into the United States. Like Oliver and Holmes put it well a long time ago in an opinion involving, I think it was a racist policeman, saying he may have a right to be a racist, but he has no right to be a policeman if he isn't a racist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And I think that's true at Harvard, too. I don't think you have a right to get awards, get prizes, or generally get federal funding if you're engaged in bigotry, anti-Semitism, violations of Title VI. Let's just... Take this back to the 1950s when I was a college student.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
In the South, after Brown versus Board, some Southern schools were still allowing Klansmen to come on campus and harass Black students. They were teaching white supremacy. If in those days the federal government had cut off some funding to those universities, every liberal in the world would be applauding it. Or even go back 20 years earlier in the 1930s, Harvard, under President Conant,
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
was supporting Nazism. It was sending professors to celebrate Nazi universities that had excluded Jews. It was bringing in Nazi professors and Nazi students. If the federal government had said at that point, no visas for Nazis, even though Nazis have the right to congregate in Madison Square Garden, as they did in the late 1930s and early 1940s, we'd all be applauding that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
So you can't have a separate standard for Jews and for Zion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
A smaller minority now, when I started, I was teaching at Harvard, about 23% of the student body was Jewish. Now it's below 10%, which was the anti-Jewish quota that was imposed by President Lowell. The number of Jewish students now are lower than that. It's true of the number of white students in general. And we've seen a dramatic change. in the demographics of the university.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And that's part of the end of meritocracy. You know, we'll never get back to having universities first grade again unless we get back to meritocracy. Broadly defined, I'm not talking about grades or SAT scores. I'm talking about what the merits are. When you pick your surgeon, you want the best surgeon in the world. You don't care how far he's developed or what he's come from.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
I think we should have the best students at Harvard meritocratically selected. And I think meritocracy always produces some diversity. Maybe not enough, but it produces diversity. We have to get back to meritocracy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Forget about anti-Semitism for a minute. The Harvard Corporation picked as its president, Claudine Gay, a clear DEI choice, a clear affirmative action choice, utterly unqualified, probably unqualified to be a professor, ultimately charged with plagiarism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Why would anybody pick Claudine Gay, who was against the First Amendment, against free speech, fired a professor because he represented somebody that she didn't like? And this is the corporation. headed by Penny Pritzker, who's still the chairman of the corporation. You'd think you'd fire the person who hired Claudine Gay to be the president, but no, she's still in the corporation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And so the problem goes deeper than anti-Semitism. It goes deeper than any kind of bigotry. It goes to... changing Harvard's motto from veritas, truth, to mediocritas. We'll accept mediocrity now as long as it satisfies social justice principles. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Yeah, it's $1,000 a cliche and she's getting paid.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Remember who Claudine Gay replaced two later was Larry Summers, who was the most brilliant president of Harvard, former Secretary of Treasury. He got fired not because of what he said about women. That was the excuse. He got fired because he was perceived by the left as being pro-Israel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
And in fact, there was a cartoon in one of the local newspapers, and it had Larry Summers on his hands and knees begging the corporation, saying, No, no, no, I didn't say women aren't good at math. I said Israel's an apartheid state. Now can I have my job back? So... ...started with the firing of Larry Summers, and...
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
When I started teaching at Harvard, I was the first, quote, Jewish Jew at Harvard, the first Jew who wore his Jewishness on his sleeve and stood up and defended the rights of Jewish students. Harvard had had a sordid reputation in relation to Jews for many years. And tragically, he's coming back. Look, Alan Garber is a very decent guy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
He's trying his best, but he has a hard left faculty that won't let him sit down and negotiate. He should be negotiating with with the president, President Trump, and giving in on about 80 percent of what the Trump administration wants.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, I understand that. And look, the key now is to prevent more of what happened in the District of Columbia last week, because I think it's going to increase. I think we're going to see more and more people crossing that line because we're going to see T-shirts with the killer. We've already seen people praising the killer. I'm not even going to mention his name.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
But and the same way we saw Mangione T-shirts and people praising him. Once we begin to praise terrorists and killers, we become Hamas like. And, you know, we're very far away from that, but we can get there. Again, just to mention my book, The Preventive State. I go through all the mechanisms that we have used historically to prevent the spread of illnesses, to prevent terrorism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's dangerous because the more we do to prevent, the more we can restrict freedom of speech and other freedoms. So we have to strike the appropriate balance. We're in a very critical stage now because the threats are cataclysmic, nuclear war, pandemics, but our ability through AI and other mechanisms to prevent and predict these threats are greater than they've ever been.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so it's important to create a jurisprudential framework for allowing us to take preventive action. And deportation is one of the keys to it. Deciding who lives in this country is the single most important preventive measure we can take. And if we can keep our country free, of terrorists, of people who come from across the border illegally, we will have a much, much better country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
But we have to do it within the rule of law. And I think the Supreme Court ultimately will uphold the presidential decision who comes into the country, but will make him do it by crossing every constitutional T and dotting every constitutional I.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, do you know where this idea all came from? It all came from radical Democratic lawyers who started a project called the Project 65. It started during the Biden administration, and its express goal was to punish law firms and lawyers who had defended Donald Trump. So I wrote an op-ed piece saying, If you go after anybody because they defended Donald Trump, I will defend them pro bono.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
So what do you think they did? They filed a bar charge against me. It cost me over $100,000 to defend myself against frivolous bar charges in Arizona and Massachusetts. I won all my cases, of course. But a bunch of lawyers... who were asked to defend Donald Trump said, no, we don't want to be, quote, Dershowitz. We don't want to have happen to us what happened to Dershowitz.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
So it all started with Project 65, a group of left wing lawyers. And there was no objection from the bar. Indeed, there was cooperation by the bar. And so we're seeing a lot of hypocrisy. I don't like what Trump is doing to law firms. But it all started with liberal Democrats, and nobody cared about it then. So this is, again, the application of a double standard.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Don't stand up against Donald Trump if you are prepared to stand up, if you are prepared not to stand up against the 65 Project. The 65 Project, look it up. It started all this, and it expressly said, It was going after lawyers who defended Donald Trump. So let's understand where this started from. And it's wrong no matter who does it. We should not be weaponizing our legal system.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
We should not be having warfare on either side. But it's understandable when the left uses lawfare, going after Donald Trump in the New York case. was the worst criminal case I've seen in 60 years of being involved in defending criminals. I've never seen a case as bad as the New York case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
So lawfare started, started with the Democrats, and now we're seeing tit-for-tat reprisals by the Republicans. Both are wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
George Floyd Riots Damage Persists, DEI Jobs Disappearing, and Where are Epstein Files, with Heather Mac Donald and Alan Dershowitz | Ep. 1082
Well, let's just go back to Governor Wallace, who made the same kinds of statements back in 1954, 1955 and 1966. He said, we have laws in the state of Mississippi, the state of Alabama that prohibit black students from going to school with white students. And we're going to enforce our laws. And the federal government said no. No, no, no.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We have a constitutional, and in this case, Article 9, Article, you know, all these various titles coming in that are federal law. And under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, the civil rights laws, federal civil rights laws, trump state laws. And so there is a legal basis for enforcing federal law over the states. And as I say, it goes back to the 50s when the shoe was on the other foot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Again, if the state of California, they would never do it. But if the state were to say, we're not going to permit black athletes from participating in basketball because they're too good and they, you know, or dominate the sport, we would never tolerate that for one second. We would never tolerate. We need more diversity in the NBA. No, that's meritocracy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think ultimately the Supreme Court is going to have to uphold the withholding of federal funds from states and other institutions that violate federal law. It has nothing to do with the particular case. It has to do with the dominance of the supremacy clause. Without the supremacy clause, you couldn't have the United States of America. There would be the Confederate States.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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... reign supreme. Otherwise, we're back to the Articles of Confederacy. And that didn't work. And so some of us may not like the way it's being used. And in my family, too, we fight like children about transgender athletes. There are many points of view on that. And it seems to me that President Trump ran on that theory. And the majority of Americans support it. And the law seems to support it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So whatever you think of the policies, I think we're going to see ultimately the Supreme Court upholding most of these Trump initiatives, but demanding that they be done with due process, that they not have shortcuts around the constitutional requirements of due process of law.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He can't stop it, but he can punish it. And that's what he's threatening to do. I suspect that we're going to see, because of the politics of California, they're going to go through with it. That gives the governor of California and others a domestic political victory. And then we'll see Trump impose some punishment that gives him a national victory. And we're going to see that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I think there's going to be a conflict throughout the country between various titles of the Civil Rights Act and what people think is the right thing. I helped to draft the title of the Civil Rights Act that applied anti-discrimination provisions on college campuses to Jews. And that was unpopular with some people. But it's now the law. You're incredible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, very much so.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, yeah. I was at the White House when it was announced, et cetera. So I've been involved in a lot of these things right from the beginning. But I am a meritocratic egalitarian. I care deeply about that. I am a constitutional libertarian. I am a constructive contrarian. Those are my three philosophical bases. I haven't changed one bit in the 70 years since I entered college.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But the world around me has changed dramatically. And it's interesting, you know, my book, The Preventive State, I started writing this 60 years ago. I wrote my first article on prevention in the 1960s. And now all of these things are coming out. The COVID vaccines, the attempts to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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All of these are preventive measures that we now have to create a jurisprudence around because we live in such a cataclysmic world. There are so many dangers that we face every single day, and we can prevent them because we've developed AI methods of predicting and preventing. But we can't do it without diminishing freedom a little bit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it was Benjamin Franklin who said, those who would deny basic freedoms in order to achieve a little bit of security deserve neither. But In my book, The Preventive State, I try to argue that we can sometimes diminish a little bit of inessential freedoms in order to get a great deal of prevention.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If we could have prevented 9-11, if Israel could have prevented October 7th by falsely arresting a half a dozen people, that would be a tradeoff that would be worth it. And we have to figure out how to prevent these cataclysmic, situations from occurring.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And we're seeing the hard left and the radicals and the terrorists and the people who call for global intifada trying to introduce massive, massive violence into our society. And we have to figure out ways of preventing it legally, lawfully.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I feel terrible for her, for her family. This is not the way anything like this should have ended. She did falsely accuse me. She admitted she may have misidentified me for somebody else. I was hoping to get on with my life and let her get on with her life. By the way, we still haven't seen all the Epstein files. I want every single file out. I want every video out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I want everything that is. Well, because there are still people in there. I know a couple of people who are named. And I think there are people who don't want their names to come out. I want everything to come out because they would prove I never met the woman, never heard of her, never had any proper contact with anybody. Since I met Jeffrey Epstein. And so I want everything to come out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I don't know why they aren't bringing it all. Everything, every piece of paper, some of them being being withheld by judges. And by the way, some of them would show that some of the accusations are false, that they would be negative toward the accusers. Some would be negative toward the accused.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know what the reasons are, but I know the names of people whose names have never been released, and there's no reason for them not to be released. They may be innocent. And I know information about the accusers that haven't been released, devastating information about the accusers, the accusers themselves having been involved in bringing people to Jeffrey Epstein's
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uh, for improper purposes. So I think all of this has to come out. The truth has to prevail. And, um, I've been pushing for this since the day I was falsely accused. I wrote a piece. I can vouch for that day saying I want the FBI to investigate me and let everything hang out there.
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Well, it's going very well at the trial, but it will be reversed on appeal for the same reason the Harvey Weinstein case was reversed. The jury shouldn't be seeing all this material because he's not charged with any of it. If this were a state case in which he was charged with domestic abuse, with kicking his wife.
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It makes it sound like he had terrible relationships with the people close to him rather than trafficking or doing anything involving Rico. So I think from a legal point of view, the state is undercutting its own case. But from a jury point of view, my God, what could be better than showing them a videotape of him being a terrible, terrible person? But he's not on trial for being a terrible person.
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He's on trial for specific violations of specific federal laws, and they will be reversed on appeal.
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I can't get into percentages, but I've won a very, very large percentage. And remember, appeals usually win only 5%. So... My record has been very good, which I've been very successful. Thank God for that. And I'm going to continue at 86 to argue the right appeals for the right people. I do most of them pro bono. I don't know how you do it.
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Marry the right woman. That's the key. Marry the right person. That's my wife keeps me going. I couldn't have done this show today without the help of my wife. So God bless her success.