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Yeah, how did you get cast? Just an offer?

How many episodes did you end up doing?

I haven't, no.

Responsibility?

Did we have that on the show? Yeah. Okay.

Can you give us that elevator pitch?

Yeah, I was like, okay, what is it?

shit-talking, though.

When Robinson, when they're walking before the encounter, I'm going to Amarillo, and I'm going to do this.

I feel like in the heat of what they were doing, like that just felt a little more like.

Yeah, it's a little more lukewarm. There was just sort of the banter of like, we're in this together.

Oh, it was, that was the first time in the episode. I was like, oh, I forgot about that. That really got me.

Yeah. I wrote that, yeah, he was so scared that we were going to die. We forget to do the thing that keeps us alive.

Just breathe.

That was your hair, right? That was your hair?

All the details. Yeah.

No, no, I was just going to say, wasn't it his, it would have been his grandfather's birthday, right?

Jack's father's father's birthday.

Right under the gun, yeah.

Is like the fifth.

First date called, yeah.

It must have been.

I can't imagine.

On Michael's Wikipedia, says my dad, 43.

When I knew that season three was going to have this Vietnam storyline sort of woven into the fabric of the show, I realized that I knew nothing about this time period, and I started the Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam.

Wow.

It's mind-blowing. I highly recommend. I mean, like all Ken Burns, there's so much information to chew on that I don't. And also, this is like, what, 2018? I really don't remember much, but I remember just being so fascinated. And not that it had anything to do with my character storyline, but I was like, this is a great reason to delve into it. And man, I couldn't recommend it highly enough.

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Yeah, and even the physical touch.

That is an interesting thing to point out for sure.

In Canada.

And specifically Big Brother.

Oh, yeah.

We're really getting somewhere.

We're definitely going to talk about streak marks.

This was very informative.

An arrhythmia.

I know, episode three in the shower.

So you didn't try to burn 1,200 calories ever again? You still do.

I see.

I don't have that kind of discipline.

Tree time. But that kind of physical exertion, like that you're making that choice, just doesn't appeal to me. I'm like, I'll walk slowly on an incline on a treadmill. That feels good.

I do that too.

Wait, 12 incline, 30 minutes.

Oh, I know.

I have a longer gait as well. You have a longer gait. My husband's always like, slow down. I'm like, you're walking too slow. Yeah. I can keep up with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And how he's evolved.

It will still be in theaters. If not, where can people find it? It'll be on Hulu in a couple months.

Thanks for coming and making the time. It's so good to see you.

Yeah, as soon as we saw the healing power of This Is Us, we knew, had to read it. It was going to be something special.

Okay, sorry. Then he wasn't.

All of us.

This show made me a blubbering mess for many reasons. It would take hours to write them all down. My personal connection to the story starts with the theme of alcoholism. My father was an alcoholic. I believe he became one because of his service in the Vietnam War. He came back physically, but mentally, barely at all. He died nine years ago and I never got to say goodbye.

Beyond that, I never got to repair our distant relationship. This show, the Vietnam episodes in particular, clicked into place that first trickle of healing. Jack wasn't perfect, but he tried. He made amends and he gave his children and Rebecca all the love that they deserved.

It's funny, we often talk about the specificity of this family and these stories. It feels so hard to think that there would be universal in the specificity, but there is. And I also think the connection that people are finding in this particular storyline with the Vietnam connection and how often maybe men of that generation were not willing to sort of open themselves up in the way that Jack...

Also kept that part of his life very secretive. There is something probably cathartic about seeing that story portrayed on screen as well.

Yeah.

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Yeah, write a movie for her. Write a movie for her.

It is an exciting day. We have another guest.

You're in Vietnam.

Tim O'Brien, you brought to our attention, again, is the author who also- The Things They Carried, which is a famous book, I think, from like the mid-90s that chronicled his time in Vietnam.

His brother.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Squirrel, yeah.

Leave it to Sully.

Yeah, he's an enigma.

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