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‘Sell America’ Trade Picks Up After New Trump Threats on Fed

Mon, 21 Apr 2025

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P.M. Edition for April 21. U.S. markets were on edge about President Trump's tariff war as well as his threats to fire Federal Reserve chief Jerome Powell. Stocks fell, the dollar hit fresh multiyear lows against major currencies, and yields on longer-term Treasurys rose. Plus, U.S. megabanks are built for business from all corners of the globe. Heard on the Street columnist Telis Demos says that will become tougher in a deglobalized world. And cryptocurrency is pushing deeper into the banking system; banking reporter Gina Heeb has the scoop on the crypto firms planning to apply for bank charters or licenses. Pierre Bienaimé hosts. Sign up for the WSJ's free What's News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What are the latest impacts of Trump's tariff war on U.S. markets?

17.024 - 26.709 Gina Heeb

U.S. markets fall as President Trump renews his attacks on the Federal Reserve. Plus, how American megabanks may become collateral damage to a global trade war.

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27.109 - 33.933 Telis Demos

You could see countries saying, you know what, this is how we're going to fight this trade war. You've got to stop doing business with an American bank today.

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34.373 - 60.245 Gina Heeb

And why cryptocurrency firms want to start acting like banks. It's Monday, April 21st. I'm Pierre Bien-Aimé for The Wall Street Journal, filling in for Alex Osola. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that moved the world today. The sell America trade picked back up today. U.S. stocks fell. The dollar hit fresh multi-year lows against major currencies.

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60.666 - 84.477 Gina Heeb

Yields on longer-term treasuries rose and gold surged to another record high. Markets are on edge about President Trump's tariff war as well as his threats to fire Fed Chief Jerome Powell. In a post on social media today, Trump demanded lower rates, saying costs are trending downward and the economy could slow, quote, unless Mr. Too Late, a major loser, lowers interest rates now.

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87.216 - 115.798 Gina Heeb

The Dow dropped almost 1,000 points. The index is on pace for its worst April since 1932. The Nasdaq took the biggest hit, falling around 2.6%. Big tech shares fell, with Nvidia and Tesla leading the losses. The S&P 500 closed down about 2.4%. While the U.S. imports more manufactured goods than it exports, it runs a big surplus in one notable business, financial services.

Chapter 2: How might American megabanks be affected by global trade tensions?

116.358 - 138.728 Gina Heeb

According to Dealogic, last year, U.S. banks grabbed the top five spots for investment banking revenue worldwide and were seven of the top ten. So when it comes to a global trade war, U.S. megabanks could become collateral damage. Heard on the street columnist Telus Demos has the story. So tell us, how is it exactly that American banks could lose out on business overseas?

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139.188 - 160.878 Telis Demos

Well, the deglobalization that is part of the Trump administration's agenda would like to see more activity reshored in the U.S., That means that maybe there are fewer kind of truly multinational companies, right? There are companies that produce things in the US and they sell it to Americans. There are companies that produce things in Europe and sell it to Europeans.

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161.159 - 182.35 Telis Demos

In a world in which more companies are like that, there is maybe less of a need for a multinational bank that can help facilitate that sort of thing. Now, that doesn't happen overnight, but in the long run. In a deglobalized world, U.S. banks are going to ultimately find themselves in the crosshairs. Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase, used that word, right?

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Chapter 3: What challenges do U.S. banks face in a deglobalized economy?

182.41 - 190.672 Telis Demos

He said, we will be in the crosshairs. That's what's going to happen. Some clients or some countries will feel differently about American banks, and we'll just have to deal with that.

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191.152 - 197.48 Gina Heeb

You mentioned that this isn't a process that will happen overnight. What kind of resilience might US banks enjoy?

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198.001 - 217.818 Telis Demos

US banks are still going to be, for now, the first call for a lot of international companies when they run into trouble. So if US companies are having to rewire themselves for decades, tariffs that are coming in the short term. They are probably calling the same bank they bank with today, which might be an American bank and saying, hey, we were getting this from China.

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217.878 - 235.624 Telis Demos

Can we get this from somewhere else? But until we start to see people really settling in and betting in for a long term kind of change in tariff policy, you will probably still see short term defensive tactical things that companies are doing. And that probably plays into the hands of their existing partners, which are U.S. banks.

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236.284 - 242.816 Gina Heeb

And who would maybe pick up the pieces of this global market share for underwriting for all kinds of financial services and banking?

243.513 - 265.405 Telis Demos

There was an interesting report that came out recently. The former head of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, put together a lot of ideas that have been bubbling around in the European Union for a long time. And among them is of how to strengthen that union. And one of them is to improve the depth and kind of diversity of Europe's markets for companies raising money, right?

265.425 - 283.433 Telis Demos

Like today, a lot of European companies, if they want to get a bank loan, they go to their local bank. If they want to borrow from investors... They go through a U.S. bank. A, that's because U.S. banks are the biggest capital markets banks in the world. But B, because they can go to the U.S. market, right? They can sell bonds in the U.S. They can go public in the U.S., things like that.

283.654 - 300.902 Telis Demos

But what Mario Draghi's message was is that Europe needs to get its act together and start to develop more of those muscles and abilities. And so if Europe really gets its act together and says, OK, let's deepen and improve our banking and capital markets, maybe European banks – re-emerge as like domestic champions.

301.262 - 310.712 Telis Demos

That doesn't mean that they're going to necessarily become top investment banks in other parts of the world, but maybe just domestically, they will begin to take up more of that business. Hurt on the Street columnist, Telus Demos.

Chapter 4: Why are cryptocurrency firms seeking bank charters?

467.598 - 472.824 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

They could start taking deposits or start making loans if they were to get a bank charter as well.

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473.244 - 478.249 Gina Heeb

And what are banks themselves doing in response to this possibility of crypto cutting in on their business?

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478.73 - 498.831 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Some banks are trying to play catch up a bit here because a couple of years ago, We, of course, had the collapse of FTX and a couple of very crypto-friendly banks that also went down. And the traditional finance world really stepped away from crypto in the aftermath of that, and especially banks, which are highly regulated.

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499.132 - 516.123 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

And we're getting informal warnings from regulators to stay away from this space. after all of that happened. So now some of them are coming back because of this more friendly regulatory approach and because crypto is increasingly being seen as a potential competitor to them.

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516.683 - 529.43 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

So they are looking to expand crypto services such as custody in this space or even partnering with crypto firms to just try to catch up and make sure they can stay competitive in a payments landscape.

529.83 - 532.752 Gina Heeb

That was Wall Street Journal banking reporter Gina Heap. Gina, thanks so much.

533.117 - 533.857 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Thank you for having me.

538.0 - 553.848 Gina Heeb

In other news, the Justice Department is urging a federal judge to force Google to sell its Chrome web browser, loosening the company's grip on the search engine market. U.S. District Judge Ahmed Mehta ruled last year that Google has illegally maintained a monopoly in online search.

Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Durbin Marshall Credit Card Bill?

554.609 - 570.399 Gina Heeb

And he has set aside three weeks to hear arguments and testimony over what remedy he should impose to restore competition. Google has long argued that it competed fairly to achieve its success and has told Meta that the Justice Department's remedies proposal will hinder innovation and harm consumers.

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571.199 - 590.373 Gina Heeb

News Corp, owner of The Wall Street Journal, has a commercial agreement to supply content on Google platforms. And Russia said today it was pleased with a Trump administration proposal to bar Ukraine from joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. But Moscow remains uncommitted to reaching a quick deal to end its war in Ukraine.

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591.488 - 607.095 Gina Heeb

Russia has long claimed that Ukraine joining NATO is unacceptable, viewing it as a direct threat to its security and an encroachment into what it considers its sphere of influence. The U.S. is awaiting Kiev's response, expected during a meeting with Ukrainian and European officials in London later this week.

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607.655 - 628.618 Gina Heeb

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said today his country was ready to move constructively toward an end to the conflict. Nuclear power is making a comeback, driven by the growing energy demands of artificial intelligence. And AI itself could help better manage the nuclear plants that, in turn, contribute to powering it.

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629.219 - 651.59 Gina Heeb

The Energy Department's Argonne National Laboratory, based in Illinois, has developed an AI-based tool that can help operators run plants and assist with reactor design. AI reporter Belle Lin told our Tech News Briefing podcast that Argonne wants to offer the tool for new tech-forward nuclear companies like the Bill Gates-founded TerraPower or the Sam Altman-backed nuclear startup Oklo.

651.97 - 670.236 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

It's a lot easier to add new technology to newer builds, to the sort of newer generation of small modular reactors and companies that are hoping to bring nuclear power online rather than updating existing nuclear power plants, some of which may be aging out of commission.

670.796 - 691.411 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Argonne, for instance, is looking to these companies like TerraPower and Oklo, which are backed by big tech and big tech personalities. But there's also a hope that the existing nuclear plant providers will be wanting to upgrade their plants as their lifetimes become extended because of the greater need for nuclear power.

691.951 - 713.562 Gina Heeb

And you can hear Bell's full interview on today's episode of Tech News Briefing. The cooling U.S. economy is making it tougher for young would-be workers to land an entry-level job. That generation is taking a bigger interest in joining the family business as a result. It's a welcomed prospect for many older business owners anxious to make succession plans.

714.202 - 734.478 Gina Heeb

According to an analysis by payroll provider Gusto, the share of small businesses that employ a young adult child of an owner has doubled since 2018 and is up 13 percent year over year as of January. On our Your Money Briefing podcast, economy reporter Rachel Wolf said young people have changed their thinking about joining mom or dad at work.

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