Menu
Sign In Pricing Add Podcast
Podcast Image

Up First from NPR

Can Old Age Be a New Beginning?

Sun, 19 Jan 2025

Description

Americans are living longer than ever. For some, these extra years offer a chance at reinvention and the possibility of a third act in life. Today on the show, WBUR reporter Anthony Brooks talks about the people he's met who've made big life-altering changes later in life often with the hope of doing some good before it's too late. To hear more of Anthony's reporting on people who reinvented themselves late in life check out his series The Third Act.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Audio
Transcription

00:00 - 00:26 Ayesha Roscoe

I'm Aisha Roscoe, and this is the Sunday Story from Up First, where we go beyond the news of the day to bring you one big story. Many of us decide to make changes in our life all the time. Sometimes they're small, like New Year's resolutions, to read more or eat less sugary sweets. But sometimes we make big changes, ones that are life-altering, like a career change.

0
💬 0

00:26 - 00:53 Ayesha Roscoe

Today we're going to focus on those life-altering changes, specifically the ones we make late in life. One of the most notable people to make a big change in recent years is President Donald Trump, who will tomorrow be inaugurated as president for the second time. He famously turned from mogul to politician when he was 69. An age often considered retirement age.

0
💬 0

00:53 - 01:19 Ayesha Roscoe

But growing numbers of people are rejecting this idea that a productive life ends at a certain age. Instead, many are now seeing the part of life that comes after middle age not as an end, but as a beginning. The start of what some call the third act of life. Anthony Brooks is a former NPR reporter and longtime correspondent at member station WBUR in Boston.

0
💬 0

01:20 - 01:33 Ayesha Roscoe

He's spent the last few years interviewing people about their decision to reimagine and reinvent themselves late in life. His series is called Third Act, and he joins us now to talk about what he's learned. Hi, Anthony.

0
💬 0

01:34 - 01:35 Anthony Kuhn

Hey, Aisha. Nice to talk to you.

0
💬 0

01:36 - 01:37 Ayesha Roscoe

Yeah. Welcome to the podcast.

0
💬 0

01:37 - 01:38 Anthony Kuhn

Thank you.

0
💬 0

01:38 - 01:49 Ayesha Roscoe

So I'm intrigued by the origin story of this project. Did you decide to do this because you were feeling stuck or you wanted a change in your life?

0
💬 0

01:51 - 02:10 Anthony Kuhn

I think there's always a bit of that going on with me. But I think where this really started for me was about 16 years ago. I had a bit of a health scare, which thankfully I recovered from. I was also mourning the loss of my dad. And I guess you could say that I was coming to terms with this idea that there's a lot more of my life behind me

0
💬 0

02:11 - 02:24 Anthony Kuhn

then ahead of me and I'm thinking for the first time, what do I really wanna do with the time that remains? And I became intrigued with stories of people who found ways to reinvent themselves late in life in interesting and inspirational ways.

0
💬 0

02:25 - 02:39 Anthony Kuhn

And just when I was dialing into this idea, Catherine Seeley of the New York Times reported a great story about a man who began this third act journey in a really fascinating way. And that story really helped launch this project.

0
💬 0

02:40 - 02:44 Ayesha Roscoe

Okay, so tell me about the man in that story that drew your attention.

0
💬 0

02:45 - 03:05 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, so his name is Tom Andrew, and he worked a full career as a doctor, including 20 years as the chief medical examiner for New Hampshire, which is where I live. Tom saw it all up close, Aisha. You know, the grim toll of car accidents, of gunshot wounds, poisonings, assaults, and suicides. You name it, he saw it.

0
💬 0

03:06 - 03:26 Anthony Kuhn

He said it was a job that gave him a particular appreciation for the fragility of life, And he remained committed to his work until the opioid crisis hit New Hampshire hard. And he told me that he watched too many kids, too many young people die, and that he didn't feel that the state was taking the epidemic seriously enough.

0
💬 0

03:27 - 03:49 Tom Andrew

And I tried to raise the alarms about this, that at this rate, we will see more drug deaths in a given year in New Hampshire than traffic deaths. Well, sure enough, it came to pass. What was the actual number if it started out at like 50 a year? There were 500 drug deaths a year. There was this frustration with some folks who were perfectly content not to do anything. We live free or die here.

0
💬 0

03:50 - 03:54 Tom Andrew

I could not reconcile that with what I was seeing and what I was feeling.

0
💬 0

03:55 - 04:01 Anthony Kuhn

And eventually, Tom just had enough. And in 2017, at the age of 61, he quit. He'd done the job for 20 years, so he retired.

0
💬 0

04:05 - 04:12 Ayesha Roscoe

But I'm guessing since we're talking about him, he didn't just stop and retire in a traditional sense.

0
💬 0

04:12 - 04:31 Anthony Kuhn

No, not at all. You know, he could have followed that route. He could have retired, put his feet up, cruised into old age. But instead, he goes back to school. He's a man of faith. So he goes to seminary school to become a Methodist deacon because what he wants to do is work with his local Boy Scout troop. So here's a bit of what he told me about that.

0
💬 0

04:32 - 04:49 Tom Andrew

I spent 20 years on the assessment end, counting the cost. When I wanted to make my change, I wanted to work with young people and let them see that there's a better way than that pill or that powder or that joint that's offered to them by their erstwhile friend.

0
💬 0

04:50 - 04:56 Ayesha Roscoe

So he wanted to do good and he wanted to do it at a point when it would matter, right?

0
💬 0

04:56 - 05:20 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, he really, and this animates a lot of the stories that I found. He wanted to give back is really a good way to put it. And it's worth pointing out that becoming a full-fledged deacon is a long process. It involves not only seminary school, but studying and sitting for interviews with church elders. And Tom was still at it just a couple of years ago at the age of 66 when I was talking to him.

0
💬 0

05:21 - 05:30 Ayesha Roscoe

Well, how is it going for Tom now? Like, is he happy with the life that he chose and the radical change that he made?

0
💬 0

05:30 - 05:41 Anthony Kuhn

You know, he really is, as far as I can tell. His kids are grown. He's still happily married. And perhaps most importantly, his life has new purpose, Aisha. And he seems to be really thriving in this third act.

0
💬 0

05:43 - 06:00 Ayesha Roscoe

So, Anthony, this is a really heartwarming story. And as you say, what Tom did, I guess, is no longer as out there or outlandish as it might have seemed. What has changed? Is it that people are just living longer?

0
💬 0

06:00 - 06:18 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, I mean, that's a big part of it. I mean, there's a lot of things going on here, but that's one of the main things worth considering. If you go back just over 100 years to 1900, the average life expectancy was around 47. Today, it hovers near 80. So that means we're living three decades longer than we used to.

0
💬 0

06:19 - 06:42 Anthony Kuhn

You know, I spoke to a bunch of experts on this subject, and one of them put it this way, that if you're 54, you could be only halfway through adulthood. And by the way, I came across this fact, which sort of blew my mind, Aisha. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of Americans living into their 90s by 2050 could be as much as 10 times higher than it was in 1980.

0
💬 0

06:44 - 06:57 Anthony Kuhn

So that means if you're one of those people and you're 45, you're only halfway through your life. So you've got half your life ahead of you. So when you hit that traditional retirement age, there's still a lot of life left to live. That's the main point here.

0
💬 0

06:58 - 07:06 Ayesha Roscoe

Okay. I'm not 45 yet, but I certainly hope when I'm 45 that I got half of my life ahead of me. I hope I got a long, long time.

0
💬 0

07:06 - 07:07 Anthony Kuhn

You got a good chance, Aisha.

0
💬 0

07:07 - 07:17 Ayesha Roscoe

You got a good chance. But that is wild to think about, like how much longer people are living these days and what that means.

0
💬 0

07:17 - 07:38 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, it is crazy. And consider that some 80 million people in the United States are over the age of 60 and there are more and more of them every day. In fact, as many as 10,000 people a day are turning 65. So we're living longer and there are a whole lot more of us thinking about sort of what do we do with this extra two or three decades of life?

0
💬 0

07:39 - 07:59 Anthony Kuhn

And those who study this period have given it a name. It's called middle-essence. Think of it as a later-in-life adolescence. It's a time of change, of tumult, but it can also be a time of opportunity and growth, like adolescence. And by the way, Aisha, old age or older age offers an opportunity to be even happier than you might have been.

0
💬 0

07:59 - 08:19 Anthony Kuhn

And there's research on this, the so-called U-shaped theory of happiness. That suggests that happiness declines for many people from the teens or early 20s into the 40s and 50s, but then rises again when people hit their 60s, 70s, even their 80s. So this can be a really great time to reimagine your life.

0
💬 0

08:20 - 08:22 Ayesha Roscoe

Stay with us. We'll be right back.

0
💬 0

08:26 - 08:41 Sponsor Voice

Support for this podcast and the following message come from Jitasa, providing bookkeeping, accounting, and CFO services exclusively to the nonprofit sector. Jitasa is committed to serving nonprofits who make the world a better place. J-I-T-A-S-A dot com.

0
💬 0

08:42 - 09:01 Advertisement Narrator

If you love NPR podcasts, you don't need me to tell you the value of public media in your life. To support our mission and get perks like sponsor-free podcast listening across more than 20 NPR podcasts and exclusive bonus episodes, sign up for the NPR Plus bundle at plus.npr.org.

0
💬 0

09:02 - 09:31 Ayesha Roscoe

We're back with reporter Anthony Brooks and his stories of people who reinvented themselves late in life. But it's still scary, isn't it, to make a big life change so far along when you're really set in your ways. And it's scary to me right now to make life changes. And even like taking the finances aside, it often will require letting go of a planned life, right? Yeah.

0
💬 0

09:32 - 09:50 Anthony Kuhn

Absolutely. I mean, there's no doubt that making these changes takes work and sometimes a lot of courage. So let me tell you about another woman I interviewed for this series. Her name is Juliana Richardson. She grew up in Newark, Ohio, and she was the only black girl in her elementary school class.

0
💬 0

09:50 - 09:57 Anthony Kuhn

And she told me that when she was in the third grade, she already knew she was getting the sense there was something missing in her life.

0
💬 0

09:57 - 10:08 Juliana Richardson

There was no history, not Black history. There was not even a sense of where my place was in American society.

0
💬 0

10:08 - 10:25 Anthony Kuhn

But Juliana was smart. She was ambitious. She ends up going to Brandeis University outside of Boston. And that's when she made a discovery that would eventually really change her life. So she was studying the Harlem Renaissance when she came across this well-known song.

0
💬 0

10:25 - 10:28 Juliana Richardson

You're just wild about Harry.

0
💬 0

10:29 - 10:30 Ayesha Roscoe

And he's just wild about.

0
💬 0

10:31 - 10:32 Anthony Kuhn

Can I do without?

0
💬 0

10:32 - 10:35 Ayesha Roscoe

Harry's wild about me.

0
💬 0

10:36 - 10:38 Anthony Kuhn

So Aisha, you've heard this, right?

0
💬 0

10:39 - 10:40 Ayesha Roscoe

I have not heard this.

0
💬 0

10:41 - 11:06 Anthony Kuhn

All right. So, well, it's a well-known song from a while ago, and I forgive you for not hearing it because it is old, but it was a famous old song called Wild About Harry, famous Broadway tune that was a song about President Harry Truman. Oh, OK. But when Richardson learned that it was written by a pair of black songwriters, Noble Sissel and Yubi Blake, it absolutely blew her mind.

0
💬 0

11:06 - 11:25 Anthony Kuhn

It thrilled her. I mean, here's a woman who grew up without any sense of black history, of her history, beginning to discover it. So that discovery inspires Richardson to record a series of interviews with a number of prominent black Americans for college, for this project. But it would take a while for her to figure out what to do with all this.

0
💬 0

11:26 - 11:39 Anthony Kuhn

And that's because her dad wanted her to be a lawyer. There was a lot of pressure on her to go that route. So after Brandeis, she went on to Harvard Law School. She got a law degree and ends up landing a job at a corporate law firm in Chicago.

0
💬 0

11:39 - 11:43 Ayesha Roscoe

I mean, it sounds like she was extremely successful.

0
💬 0

11:44 - 12:01 Anthony Kuhn

She was successful. She was well on her way. But here's the thing. She never felt completely at home in the world of corporate law. She always was more interested in acting and the arts, as she told me. And she said that she was the first black attorney at the firm in Chicago and only the second woman to work there.

0
💬 0

12:02 - 12:23 Anthony Kuhn

And so that had a lot to do with why she didn't want to keep being a lawyer, why she never really felt comfortable in that environment. So she decides to quit. Then she became an entrepreneur. She worked in the cable TV industry for the city of Chicago. She eventually started a home shopping channel. But the cable TV industry was in flux and in decline, so that didn't end up working out.

0
💬 0

12:23 - 12:33 Anthony Kuhn

So as Juliana told me, she was in midlife, out of a job, and lost with no idea what to do next. Classic midlife crisis.

0
💬 0

12:33 - 12:49 Juliana Richardson

I couldn't go back to practice law at this point. Too many years had passed. My home shopping channel had gone belly up. And what was I going to do? But I say often that sometimes at your darkest moment, the thing that's intended for you is right there.

0
💬 0

12:49 - 13:08 Anthony Kuhn

Right there. And the right there for Juliana was to return to that passion project she started at Brandeis to set up a company that would record and archive oral histories of Black Americans. So how old was she at this point? So she's in her late 40s when she makes this big decision.

0
💬 0

13:09 - 13:12 Ayesha Roscoe

Okay, so tell me more about this project.

0
💬 0

13:12 - 13:32 Anthony Kuhn

So the idea was to set up something that she called History Makers. It's an archive of video histories of Black Americans. But the plan had a huge flaw. Juliana had no money to do it. Her friends, they all thought she was crazy. Even her parents wondered why a Harvard-trained lawyer... would want to pursue this pipe dream.

0
💬 0

13:33 - 13:52 Anthony Kuhn

But she was determined and literally started History Makers with a laptop on her kitchen table. Fast forward to today, History Makers has recorded thousands of interviews of lots of prominent Black artists, athletes, and public figures. So here's a brief excerpt that I want to play from my story about History Makers.

0
💬 0

13:52 - 13:53 Ayesha Roscoe

Yeah, let's hear it.

0
💬 0

13:54 - 14:04 Anthony Kuhn

The nonprofit has collected masses of documents and recorded thousands of video interviews with the famous and not-so-famous, from black athletes like Ernie Banks.

0
💬 0

14:05 - 14:15

No bats, no balls, no gloves, no nothing. We played with old rag balls. So what did you use for a bat? A broomstick or something? A broomstick. That's exactly what you use, a broomstick.

0
💬 0

14:15 - 14:18 Anthony Kuhn

To black artists like poet Maya Angelou.

0
💬 0

14:18 - 14:28 Juliana Richardson

Although I met Langston Hughes, he invited me to his house in Harlem. I don't remember anything he said, but I remember he was very kind.

0
💬 0

14:28 - 14:33 Anthony Kuhn

To black politicians, including a young state senator from Illinois, recorded in 2001.

0
💬 0

14:34 - 14:43 Juliana Richardson

I'm Barack Obama. That's spelled B-A-R-A-C-K. O-B-A-M-A. And my birthday is August 4th.

0
💬 0

14:43 - 14:50 Juliana Richardson

You know, that was done right in that room over there. And it's really extraordinary, you know, like the path that he took.

0
💬 0

14:51 - 15:09 Anthony Kuhn

So Ayesha, seven years after that was recorded, Obama was elected president. And over the past 24 years, Juliana Richardson has raised close to $40 million and recorded something like 4,000 interviews, all of which are now available through the Library of Congress. and through many colleges and universities across the country.

0
💬 0

15:10 - 15:15 Anthony Kuhn

And so, as she told me, it took a while, but history makers became her third act.

0
💬 0

15:15 - 15:31 Juliana Richardson

You know, you get at a point where you start asking, what is going to be your leave behind? You know, what did you do in your life that was, you know, significant? If we do this right, it will be something that hopefully makes society a richer place.

0
💬 0

15:32 - 15:42 Ayesha Roscoe

Well... It really seems like she has achieved that and that this project really is making the world a little bit richer.

0
💬 0

15:43 - 15:56 Anthony Kuhn

I think so. I think a lot richer. And another thing I like about Juliana's story is how she pushed through that classic midlife crisis. You know, some of the people who study this concept of middle essence say we shouldn't think about these periods as crises, right?

0
💬 0

15:57 - 16:08 Anthony Kuhn

It can be difficult, tumultuous, but it can be a gateway to self-discovery and really find yourself and contribute in a big way to the world as well. We'll be right back.

0
💬 0

16:12 - 16:40 Ayesha Roscoe

We're back with Anthony Brooks of WBUR in Boston. His series, Third Act, looks at how Americans are reinventing themselves in their older years. So, Anthony, I love this idea that like as our life expectancy increases, people are seeing the end of middle age as a kind of beginning. But it does feel like that may be easier done if you have the financial means.

0
💬 0

16:41 - 16:49 Ayesha Roscoe

If you are living paycheck to paycheck, is it really realistic to say, let me reinvent myself and do some good in the world?

0
💬 0

16:50 - 17:06 Anthony Kuhn

No, it's a totally fair point, Aisha. And clearly, having the ability to reinvent yourself might be a bit of a luxury that a lot of people can't afford. But also consider this, that there are lots of people, no matter their social economic status, that are really creative and resourceful.

0
💬 0

17:07 - 17:27 Anthony Kuhn

For example, one academic who's written about reinvention later in life told me about a woman who cleaned hotel rooms for a living, but her passion was helping animals. So she changed careers late in life and went to work in an animal shelter, not to earn tons of money, but it brought her way more happiness in a sense that she was doing some good in the world.

0
💬 0

17:28 - 17:34 Anthony Kuhn

And Aisha, there's another woman who I met who also found a new path despite limited resources. Can I tell you about her?

0
💬 0

17:35 - 17:36 Ayesha Roscoe

Yes, please.

0
💬 0

17:36 - 17:52 Anthony Kuhn

Okay, so her name is Natalie Jones. She grew up in Boston in the 1960s in a working class family, granddaughter of Italian immigrants. And she told me that from a very early age, there was zero expectation that she would go to college. It just wasn't part of the family conversation.

0
💬 0

17:52 - 18:05 Anthony Kuhn

And in fact, when she was 12, the school she was going to asked her to choose whether she was business bound or college bound. And Natalie told me it was a choice that just left her completely dumbfounded.

0
💬 0

18:06 - 18:25 Natalie Jones

I didn't even know what that meant. I think it was based on your family's economics, really. My mother just said, check off business. So the classes I took in the seventh and eighth grade were not college preparatory. But I never thought that I was smart enough to go to college.

0
💬 0

18:25 - 18:47 Anthony Kuhn

But Natalie was also a bit of a rebel and a risk taker. And after high school, she takes off on a trip to Europe. She traveled to Spain. She met an Irishman with whom she fell in love. And eventually they returned to the Boston area, got married, had a couple of kids. But it turned into sort of a hard life for them. Money was tight. They both worked at low paying jobs, living paycheck to paycheck.

0
💬 0

18:47 - 18:53 Anthony Kuhn

And after about 12 years, the marriage was in crisis. And then her husband dropped a bombshell.

0
💬 0

18:53 - 18:59 Natalie Jones

And he just came home one night and said, I want a divorce. And it was like a kick in the stomach.

0
💬 0

19:00 - 19:06 Anthony Kuhn

So at 41, she's got two sons aged five and nine and no college degree.

0
💬 0

19:08 - 19:20 Ayesha Roscoe

Oh, yeah. Being in that situation and now she got to take care of two kids and no college degree. That is a very difficult situation to be in.

0
💬 0

19:21 - 19:37 Anthony Kuhn

It is. But but Natalie is resourceful. You know, she juggled multiple part time jobs, including waitressing and office work. Then she joined a support group for families dealing with divorce, and eventually she became a volunteer facilitator and discovered that she was pretty good at it.

0
💬 0

19:38 - 19:48 Anthony Kuhn

And despite the fact that she spent her whole life convinced that she wasn't smart enough to go to college, in her mid-40s she makes the decision to go to college and pursue a degree in human services.

0
💬 0

19:48 - 20:00 Natalie Jones

I'm walking across the parking lot with tears rolling down my eyes saying, oh my God, I'm in college. And I was just so thrilled to be there.

0
💬 0

20:01 - 20:15 Anthony Kuhn

So with loans and scholarships, Natalie continues her studies. And just shy of her 60th birthday, she got a master's degree and then became a licensed clinical therapist. And today she's well into her 70s and says she plans to keep working into her 80s.

0
💬 0

20:16 - 20:20 Natalie Jones

I'm constantly saying to people, you can write your own script.

0
💬 0

20:21 - 20:47 Ayesha Roscoe

No, that is a great story. I mean, really all of these stories are incredibly inspiring. And, you know, even just in my personal life, I'm looking at this, I'm thinking, okay, if they can do it, well, maybe I need to keep trying too. We can all do it. Yeah, but tell us why these stories matter to you and why maybe they'll matter to, you know, all of us.

0
💬 0

20:48 - 21:05 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, I mean, I guess I'd make two points. You know, first, for those who haven't already reached their older years, you know, these stories are a chance to learn something about the road ahead from people who have already traveled it. You know, you could put it another way. Wisdom matters. It's inspiring to hear these stories.

0
💬 0

21:06 - 21:31 Anthony Kuhn

And I think it makes us all kind of reflect on our own lives and what we can do with our later years. And the other idea is this. These stories show the transformative power of human passion and the search for lifelong avocation. And that is literally a matter of life and death for all of us. And by that, I mean, we know that people who feel that they have a purpose in life live longer.

0
💬 0

21:31 - 21:46 Anthony Kuhn

And that's according to a growing body of research. One study out of Canada found that people with a sense of purpose had a 15% lower risk of death compared with those who said they were aimless. So they matter for that reason.

0
💬 0

21:47 - 22:08 Ayesha Roscoe

So before I let you go, I guess I'm wondering if this third act, this time of reinvention, does it go beyond work? You know, I guess a lot of people might go, I don't really want to spend much more time making money. I want to spend more time on art or writing or other creative pursuits.

0
💬 0

22:08 - 22:16 Anthony Kuhn

Yeah, it's a great question. And it brings us to what was probably my favorite third act story about an all-woman rock and roll band.

0
💬 0

22:17 - 22:20 Ayesha Roscoe

An all-woman rock and roll band. Tell me more.

0
💬 0

22:21 - 22:24 Anthony Kuhn

All right. This band is called the Ace of Cups.

0
💬 0

22:25 - 22:29 Ace of Cups Band Member

Do you know, baby, I ain't hard to beat you at all.

0
💬 0

22:30 - 22:52 Anthony Kuhn

So, Aisha, this is a song from the Ace of Cups 2018 debut album, and the band members are all women. But this record almost didn't happen. The band was born in San Francisco in the 1960s, and they played with a lot of really well-known bands, including Jefferson Airplane and the Grateful Dead. But they never recorded an album. They never managed to do that.

0
💬 0

22:52 - 23:06 Anthony Kuhn

And as you can imagine, sexism had a lot to do with that. Denise Kaufman plays guitar for the Ace of Cups, and she said that even landing gigs could be a challenge. And she told me a story about trying to book a club in the 1960s in San Francisco.

0
💬 0

23:06 - 23:19 Ace of Cups Band Member

Our manager called there and talked to the booking guy, and he goes, yeah, all-girl band, absolutely. We'll book them, but they have to play topless. Oh, my God. And I said, you call them back and tell them, we won't play topless, but we'll play naked.

0
💬 0

23:20 - 23:33 Anthony Kuhn

So, well, they didn't play naked. But by 1972, the band was pretty much done. You know, some of the members started having kids. They found other work and eventually they went their separate ways. And their music was almost lost forever.

0
💬 0

23:34 - 23:37 Ayesha Roscoe

Now you say almost lost. So what happened?

0
💬 0

23:37 - 24:04 Anthony Kuhn

Well, decades after they first performed, a record producer heard them and was so impressed that he offered them a recording contract. So in 2018, more than 50 years after they first played together, the Ace of Cups finally released their first album. And when that album came out, they like to say on stage, we're in our 60s from the 60s.

0
💬 0

24:05 - 24:11 Anthony Kuhn

Today, they're all in their 70s and have actually released two albums.

0
💬 0

24:13 - 24:21 Ayesha Roscoe

Well, Anthony, thank you so much for these stories. And I guess it's basically like keep hope alive. You can do it.

0
💬 0

24:23 - 24:26 Anthony Kuhn

I love that. Keep hope alive. Aisha, thanks. It's been a real pleasure talking to you.

0
💬 0

24:31 - 24:55 Ayesha Roscoe

Anthony Brooks is a reporter with WBUR in Boston. You can find Anthony's third act series and more of his stories at WBUR.org. This episode of The Sunday Story was produced by Andrew Mambo and edited by Jenny Schmidt. The engineer was Jimmy Keeley. Liana Simstrom is our supervising producer and Irene Noguchi is our executive producer.

0
💬 0

24:55 - 25:01 Ayesha Roscoe

Up first, we'll be back tomorrow with all the news you need to start your week. Until then, have a great rest of your weekend.

0
💬 0

25:08 - 25:18 Ron Rudson

This message comes from NPR sponsor, Sattva, maker of quality, handcrafted mattresses. Founder and CEO, Ron Rutzen, shares one of their core values.

0
💬 0

25:19 - 25:38 Sponsor Voice

At Sattva, we believe sleep does unlock a superpower. When you wake up and you're totally refreshed, you go after things more. And it all starts with being on the right mattress. And that's what Sattva has been inspired by from the day that we started. To learn more, go to saatva.com slash NPR.

0
💬 0
Comments

There are no comments yet.

Please log in to write the first comment.