20VC: Why the IPO Market is not Closed | Why Revenue Multiples are BS and Founders Need to Change | Advice From Jack Ma, Jamie Dimon and Evan Spiegel | Lessons from Taking Snap & Alibaba Public with Imran Khan

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And then also some of the investors were concerned about the whole Ant financial issue, the corporate governance. So the way we solve it, this was one of the most creative transactions, and I'm very proud of it because all bankers were against me doing that. Basically, Joe and I talked about it, and he agreed on it, obviously. I cannot do it. I said, the whole issue is the lockup, right?