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But if you look at Poland, Poland has gone from, I think, 2.1% or so to 4.6%, 4.7% within just a few years. So it's clearly possible. Whether every country is going to act at that speed remains to be seen. I think there are budget pressures everywhere. We understand them. And you have to convince a lot of people to actually rechannel so much money towards defence. It's not easy. I get that.