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The Startup Ideas Podcast

This AI Writing Hack Made Him Millions (Full Breakdown)

Mon, 20 Jan 2025

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Nicolas Cole delivers a comprehensive masterclass on writing with AI, demonstrating how to combine human expertise with AI capabilities to create high-quality content. The discussion covers practical frameworks for content creation, including how to structure articles, generate hooks, and test ideas. Cole emphasizes that AI should be viewed as a collaborative tool rather than a replacement for human writers, and success comes from understanding fundamental writing principles first.Learn how to use AI to create high-quality content: https://www.gregisenberg.com/write-with-aiTimestamps:00:00 - Intro01:03 - Why Learn to write with AI05:06 - Choosing a Content Topic07:38 - Framework for idea development12:40 - The role of AI in the Idea generation process16:39 - The Editor-in-Chief approach to writing with AI18:53 - Creating a Compelling Hook28:28 - Framework for structuring an article34:13 - The "10 Magical Ways" framework45:54 - Collaborating with AI for improving output49:37 - The Power of Education in the Digital AgeKey Points:• Framework for using AI as a writing tool while maintaining quality• How to effectively prompt AI for content ideation and refinement• The "10 Magical Ways" framework for structuring content• The importance of making strategic decisions before writing begins1) The biggest mindset shift:AI isn't replacing writers - it's AUGMENTING them.Just like Photoshop didn't kill designers, it created 1000x more designers.Just like Instagram didn't kill photographers, it made everyone a photographer.2) Key Framework: The Editor-in-Chief Method Don't treat AI as a writer - treat it as your junior staff writer.YOU are the editor making high-level decisions.AI helps execute your vision.3) Writing Process Revolution:- Don't start writing immediately- Make key decisions BEFORE writing:- Clear headline promise- 3 main tangible points- Format for each section90% of value comes from these decisions!4) The "10 Magical Ways" Framework:Every piece of content can be broken down into:- Tips- Steps- Lessons- Stats- Examplesetc.Pick your format FIRST, then structure accordingly.5) Pro Tip: Use AI ConversationallyTwo approaches:1. Chunk-by-chunk dialogue2. Massive single promptMost people fail by sitting in the middle.Start conversational, then compress into mega-prompts.6) Quality Control Method:1. Generate multiple versions2. Apply your taste/judgment3. Refine best options4. Test against goalsRemember: AI suggestions need human curation!7) The Education Leverage Play:Learning frameworks = AI superpowersWhat took experts years to master can now be:1. Learned quickly2. Taught to AI3. Scaled infinitelyThis is the real opportunity!8) Bottom Line:The future belongs to "orchestrators" - people who:- Understand frameworks- Make high-level decisions- Use AI as a tool- Maintain quality controlDon't fight the future - leverage it! Notable Quotes:"AI is not a silver bullet. On some level, you do have to have a baseline understanding of how the thing is supposed to work so that you can prompt AI in order to do it." - Nicolas Cole"90% of the value is not in the writing. It is in the fact that you said what you're going to give [the reader]." - Nicolas ColeLCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/BoringAds — ads agency that will build you profitable ad campaigns http://boringads.com/BoringMarketing — SEO agency and tools to get your organic customers http://boringmarketing.com/Startup Empire - a membership for builders who want to build cash-flowing businesses https://www.startupempire.coFIND ME ON SOCIALX/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenbergInstagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/FIND COLE ON SOCIALX/Twitter: https://x.com/Nicolascole77Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@nicolascole77/featuredWrite with AI: https://writewithai.substack.com

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0.729 - 4.891 Greg Isenberg

Cole's back on the pod. Cole, what are we learning about today?

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6.172 - 23.019 Nicolas Cole

We are going to write with AI. And I mean that in the most literal sense. We are going to write and we are going to do it with AI. And so what I want to do is I want to share my screen and I want to go back and forth and show how I do this and also how I train other writers to do this.

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24.2 - 26.981 Greg Isenberg

And by the end of this episode, what are people going to get?

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27.975 - 42.818 Nicolas Cole

At a minimum, you will have a baseline understanding of how to use AI in writing. And at a maximum, you will have a very clear framework for being able to use AI to produce very high quality long form content.

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64.266 - 65.386 Greg Isenberg

And why does that even matter?

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66.447 - 91.534 Nicolas Cole

I think the two biggest reasons is one, when you understand how these frameworks work, like so many people only think about how things work in an individual silo. So I'll give you an example. Like in all of our writing programs, if I explain how to write a thread hook, 99% of people will ask the follow-up question, does this also work on LinkedIn? Or does this also work for a reel?

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93.254 - 107.678 Nicolas Cole

The answer is always yes, but human beings do a terrible job of thinking orthogonally. It's like, if you tell me this is how to write a Twitter thread hook, it's hard for the average person to fathom how that gets played out across other things, but it does.

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108.319 - 121.964 Nicolas Cole

That's why these writing frameworks and these skills are so powerful, because once you understand them once, you can apply them to everything. It doesn't matter if you're writing an email or an article or a Twitter thread or a landing page. It's all the same. And then second is this is where the world's moving.

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122.565 - 145.683 Nicolas Cole

I was just writing a piece this morning about like different career paths that writers can take. And the one that I was working on is the career path of a content writer. And so often I hear, I see it in my comments on my content, like all day long is people saying, you know, what's the point of even building these skills? AI is just going to take all our jobs. AI is going to remove all writers.

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145.743 - 168.429 Nicolas Cole

No one's going to need a writer anymore. And that really fails to understand what's happening. And the analogy that I always use is when Photoshop was invented in 1990, if you can believe it was that long ago at this point, That didn't ruin design, it created a thousand times more designers, right? It created exponentially more design in the world.

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168.969 - 187.493 Nicolas Cole

When Instagram launched in 2010, that didn't remove photographers, it made everyone a photographer, right? It exponentially increased the amount of photography in the world. And ChatGPT and Claude and all these AI writing platforms are gonna do the same exact thing. They're going to make everyone a writer because it's reducing the barrier to entry.

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188.733 - 207.851 Nicolas Cole

If you pair that trend with the fact that 20 years ago, people couldn't imagine what it meant to create content online. If you owned a fax machine brand or a candy brand or a local spa, 20 years ago, you were like, what does it even mean to create content? You want me to post pictures of my fax machine on the internet?

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209.332 - 231.156 Nicolas Cole

And now today, every single business and every single individual understands I should probably create and share content online. It's why spas share pictures of their spas, right? And so if you take those two things together, you realize that quote unquote content, branded content, educational content is not ever going to go down. It's only going to go up.

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231.436 - 251.393 Nicolas Cole

Every single day, more and more people, more and more businesses want to create more and more content. If you are constrained as a human by 24 hours in a day or really like eight to 12 working hours a day and seven days a week, well, your productivity can only go so far. You can only produce so much content in a given day or a given week.

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252.213 - 277.715 Nicolas Cole

So if you add AI into the equation, it's not that AI removes people's jobs. AI becomes the stress test of, do you know how to use this to double, triple, quadruple your output? If yes, you will make even more money than you were making before because you are more valuable. And if you don't know how to use this, you become less valuable. And people conflate the two. They think AI stole my job.

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277.775 - 300.71 Nicolas Cole

That's not what happened. AI changed the barrier to entry and changed the baseline skill level. You failed to change with it. And then AI says, well, you didn't change, so you don't get the next opportunity, which is like Darwinism at its finest, right? So everyone's sitting here thinking AI is ruining things. And no, it's changing things, and you are failing to change with it.

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301.19 - 319.456 Nicolas Cole

So that's my little preamble for what we're going to dig into. That is why these things are so important. What is a topic that you want to create a piece of content on? 800 word article. You could also post it as a long form on X. You could post it as a long form on LinkedIn if you want. Is there any topic you've been noodling on?

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320.656 - 335.575 Greg Isenberg

Yes, actually. So let me pull up my tweet ideas note and see if there's something that's half baked. Okay, well, this is literally a half-baked idea.

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335.595 - 336.755 Unknown

Okay.

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338.115 - 366.902 Greg Isenberg

So Reed Hastings had a strange rule. The founder of Netflix had a strange rule in Netflix's early days. No one was allowed to say blockbuster in meetings. Because the reason why is... He basically didn't see them as a competitor. He was like, Netflix wasn't actually competing with Blockbuster. They were competing with Gilt.

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368.003 - 392.458 Greg Isenberg

And the reason why is, if you remember the late fees that you used to get from Blockbuster, people felt bad about themselves. They couldn't handle basic adult responsibilities. So it was less about the $3 you had to pay of late fees and more about get your life together, man. Yeah. And then Netflix's whole idea was basically like watch whatever you want whenever you want it.

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392.478 - 394.719 Greg Isenberg

I think there's a piece somewhere in there.

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395.82 - 407.788 Nicolas Cole

Okay, so this is an amazing place to start because this is how most people begin the writing process. They come up with some sort of seed of an idea and then it's hard to know where does this go, right?

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408.84 - 428.952 Greg Isenberg

Quick break in the pod to tell you a little bit about Startup Empire. So Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you, who want to build out their startup ideas. Now, they're looking for content to help accelerate that. They're looking for potential co-founders.

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428.992 - 447.199 Greg Isenberg

They're looking for tutorials from people like me to come in and tell them, how do you do email marketing? How do you build an audience? How do you go viral on Twitter? All these different things. That's exactly what Startup Empire is. And it's for people who want to start a startup but are looking for ideas.

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447.839 - 458.343 Greg Isenberg

Or it's for people who have a startup, but just they're not seeing the traction that they need. So you can check out the link to StartupEmpire.co in the description.

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459.324 - 477.162 Nicolas Cole

And this is why something that I think is really important in the context of us talking about AI is that people expect AI to automate and do things that they don't understand how to do themselves. And so it is worth recognizing that AI is not a silver bullet.

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477.802 - 497.019 Nicolas Cole

On some level, you do have to have a baseline understanding of how the thing is supposed to work so that you can prompt AI in order to do it. It's no different than being a CEO and you hire an intern and you're like, hey, I want you to take this over. If you ask the intern to take over a department that you've never even run, well, how are you going to get the intern to do it?

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498.2 - 528.215 Nicolas Cole

So here's the first framework. When you have a seed of an idea, there's two ways of looking at this idea. And this is the first decision to make essentially for you, Greg. Either this is an idea and this is one point within it, or this is one point within a different idea. So either, let's just spell this out really simply. Two types of ideas.

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529.436 - 567.969 Nicolas Cole

Either this is the idea, so this is about Reed Hastings' strange rule during Netflix's early days. Either that is going to be the piece, this is the theme of the piece, or this little idea is a sub-point within a larger idea. Okay, so what might an example of that be? Well, very easy one would be three CEOs who had strange rules at the beginning of their startup journeys or something, right?

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568.309 - 579.077 Nicolas Cole

So Reid becomes one of three, not necessarily the focal point. Okay? Yeah. So this is the first decision to make. Do you have a preference? Do you want me to pick one?

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580.077 - 600.02 Greg Isenberg

Yeah, so... One of my niches is startup ideas. I like to post things that have a connection to startup ideas. There's a million people who can post about Reed Hastings and there's weird rules, but only some people can post about the ideas piece of it.

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600.04 - 614.751 Greg Isenberg

I think that a sub-point could be sometimes the biggest opportunities aren't in fixing problems, they're in making people feel better about having them. That's kind of a prompt for people to come up with startup ideas.

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620.275 - 621.035 Unknown

Does that make sense?

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621.576 - 643.425 Nicolas Cole

Yeah, it does. So this is where my years as a ghostwriter, that part of my brain is kicking in. Because if we sort of change the lens for a moment, let's pretend that what we're doing, you are a client and I'm a ghostwriter. It's very similar. This is exactly what I would be doing with a client anyway. And you just said something really smart. And so I go, okay, that's great.

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643.846 - 669.618 Nicolas Cole

I just don't know where to put that yet. So I think of it like a Lego block, right? You're like, that's a really great Lego block. I just don't know where it fits yet. Okay. So we put that there. Now we've got some ideas swirling around and in some way we can, let's summarize sort of our goals here. Our goals are we want this piece to be connected to startup ideas.

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670.578 - 695.163 Nicolas Cole

We want this piece to, in some way, be actionable because a lot of the value that you provide is like how to, how to get started, how to do something, right? And ideally, we want this piece to be connected to our Reed Hastings, you know, strange rule during Netflix's early days. Fair enough?

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696.744 - 720.457 Greg Isenberg

Yeah, absolutely. It's funny because sidebar, when I write words, I'm not as strategic about writing. I just brew coffee and then I go. But I feel like, just talking out loud, putting goals is probably a really smart thing to do when you're writing any piece.

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721.277 - 742.657 Nicolas Cole

Yep. Yeah. I mean, it's so simple, right? The majority of people don't have a talent problem. They have a thing called, I don't want to practice and execute the basics. And I would rather, no offense, drink a bunch of coffee, close my eyes and hope that something smart comes out when I hit the keyboard, right? And that's not a very reliable strategy. You're good like one out of every 10 times.

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743.077 - 764.411 Nicolas Cole

So that's why these frameworks are so helpful. So before I I know how to do all of this manually. So I'm going to slow down and do this in stages so that even someone who's a complete beginner and you don't understand and haven't internalized these frameworks yet, you have a starting place. So whenever I'm coming up with ideas.

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764.471 - 787.256 Nicolas Cole

And I'm trying to narrow down the idea of the thing that I want to write. A really easy place to start is to take these goals and to plug them into AI. You could use ChatGPT, you could use Claude. It really doesn't matter. Those are the two big ones that I use most often. And the whole point here is not really for the AI to start writing yet. What you want is you want it to feed you ideas, right?

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787.877 - 806.867 Nicolas Cole

So how do you think about prompting AI? I think there's, let's just pause here. There's two very different types of ways of interacting with ChatGPT, Claude, any AI model. One is conversationally, so you're sort of chunking things out piece by piece and it's more of a dialogue.

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807.767 - 826.565 Nicolas Cole

And another is where you think through all of the potential situations and hypotheticals and you assemble a massive prompt that then you feed into the AI model and it generates some sort of output. And I think part of where people go wrong is A, they don't realize that those are two different things.

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827.026 - 845 Nicolas Cole

And then B, they sort of sit in the middle and it's like a half-baked prompt that's sort of mid-conversation and then the AI is not giving it the output that they want. So that's usually the problem that I see. So here, if we're starting to write something, I start conversationally. So I might say something like,

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846.084 - 879.989 Nicolas Cole

I'm going to take this, I'm going to say, I recently came up with an idea for an 800 word article. Reed Hastings had a strange rule, right? That thing. And then I go back and I take my goals and I'm like, here are the goals of the piece I want to write. And I might give some extra context here because I have a podcast where I share startup ideas with entrepreneurial listeners.

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882.35 - 911.748 Nicolas Cole

Because a lot of the value I provide is how to get started doing something entrepreneurial. and want this piece to be connected to our Reed to Hastings story. Can you please generate 20 potential headlines for this sort of piece, and under each headline, list out three to five main points that would make up the content of that piece.

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914.029 - 937.96 Nicolas Cole

So all we're doing is we're basically saying, here's the little bit that we came up with. Now, can you just start feeding me ideas? Here, the reason that I ask for these bullets and these main points is because the thing that most writers and most people who want to write don't realize is that many of the decisions get made before you start writing.

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939.341 - 962.667 Nicolas Cole

If you come up with an idea and your first thought is, I should open a Google Doc and I should start writing, you've already failed. You already did it wrong. And the reason is because so many of these ideas, you can come to the conclusions that you need to before you begin the writing process. And when you do that, the writing is significantly easier.

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963.627 - 985.467 Nicolas Cole

It gets compounded with AI where not only does it get easier, but now you can defer a lot of the lower leverage stuff to the technology. So there's like a hierarchy. And if you make the first mistake, then you make all the mistakes under it, right? So here's a, like, this is kind of cool. Stop saying blockbuster. Why ignoring the obvious can accelerate your startup growth.

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986.327 - 992.97 Nicolas Cole

Psychology of ignoring the market leader, right? All of these. Why Reed Hastings banned the word blockbuster, what it means for your startup.

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994.01 - 994.17 Greg Isenberg

Yeah.

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994.19 - 995.251 Nicolas Cole

I like that actually better.

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995.551 - 998.592 Greg Isenberg

I like banning. That's powerful.

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999.212 - 1021.994 Nicolas Cole

Yep. Okay. So I just want to pause and point out, what are we doing right now? What we are doing is we just deferred the lower leverage task of come up with 20 different iterations. Now, for everyone who doesn't know, this is the hierarchy of every single magazine and publishing house and newspaper.

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1023.335 - 1049.922 Nicolas Cole

The editor or the editor-in-chief literally gives the columnist or the writer this prompt in the form of, hey, come into my office and let's talk about it. Right. And then the lower writer listens and goes, I better come back with 20 high quality ideas. Just so everyone, we're on the same page. This already happens. It just happens between two human beings.

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1050.622 - 1074.544 Nicolas Cole

All we're doing is we're going, hey, instead of me passing this along to my junior columnist, I'm going to feed this to ChatGPT, which means we just got to elevate ourselves up to editor-in-chief, where our primary value is taste. right? So, so we're looking through these and you're like, Ooh, I actually really liked the word ban. And you have all the context as to why that word works, right?

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1074.584 - 1084.151 Nicolas Cole

Oh, ban implies conflict. I think it'll make for a better hook, right? Like you have your own taste and metrics for why this will work. And that's why you picked that one.

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1085.792 - 1122.674 Greg Isenberg

That's right. That's exactly it. I will say in my mind, I'm thinking like, how do I create a piece of content that is going to get shared a ton on, And so I do have a framework just for... Here's the type of pieces that I think would work and band. Reed Hastings, a name that people know. Netflix, a name that people know. And banning the word Blockbuster invokes curiosity and emotions.

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1122.714 - 1131.456 Greg Isenberg

That to me has... Check, check, check. all the ingredients of what could make for a tweet that gets 10,000 likes.

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1131.976 - 1153.805 Nicolas Cole

Yep. Okay. So let's, let's actually, we'll, we'll take a small scenic route detour here and let's play this out because this is, this is what I mean when I say, when you understand how these frameworks work, they work for everything and you can use them across any medium. So we're going to take this headline. So, so our taste, we elevated to editor in chief of chat to be tea for the day.

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1155.339 - 1174.523 Nicolas Cole

So we're going to take this headline, we're going to put it here, and you go, you know what? I actually, as I'm thinking through this, realize that I don't want this to be necessarily an article. Maybe I want this to be a thread on Twitter. Now we're going to come back to the article because it's very easy to show how all of these things work, but let's play this out as a thread hook, for example.

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1175.084 - 1181.045 Nicolas Cole

So Greg, do you have a recent viral thread that has a hook that you thought was awesome?

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1182.699 - 1192.261 Greg Isenberg

Yeah, I do. I mean, a lot of people didn't think it was awesome because I got a lot of negative feedback, but I think it got more than 50,000 likes. Okay, great.

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1192.281 - 1193.562 Nicolas Cole

So throw it over. Feed it to me.

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1194.982 - 1202.704 Greg Isenberg

Oh, here it is. Okay. Not 50,000 likes, 44,000. But Elon Musk replied, so that's cool.

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1203.024 - 1203.844 Nicolas Cole

That counts for something.

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1204.724 - 1204.964 Greg Isenberg

Yeah.

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1205.184 - 1209.305 Nicolas Cole

Do you want me to... Yeah, throw it in the chat here. We're going to pull this up.

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1210.526 - 1213.215 Unknown

This is basically the hook. Yeah. Okay.

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1213.856 - 1241.388 Nicolas Cole

So here's the next thing. What we're going to do is we're going to take this and we're going to treat it as a template, and then we're going to put this idea inside this template. Now, whenever I show people how to do this, very often writers will say back some version of, A, isn't that stealing? Well, for one, you wrote the first one, so no. But even with other people, isn't that stealing? And no.

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1242.421 - 1265.56 Nicolas Cole

you're not stealing the content. You are stealing the architecture, right? So everybody's read the, what is it? Austin Klein's book, steal like an artist, right? This is what that means. So you are stealing the bones of the house, but you're going to design it in a different way. Okay. Second is often writers will say some version of, well, this isn't real writing.

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1266.161 - 1279.742 Nicolas Cole

Like you're just, you're just taking something that works and then reswizzling it. to which I have to slow down and explain, you don't realize that you are already doing this every single time you sit down to write. You just call it intuition.

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1280.942 - 1300.046 Nicolas Cole

But what's really happening is every time you sit down to write, your brain is cycling through previous quote unquote templates that you have seen work, either something you've read and were inspired by or something that you've done already and you received a positive response from. You're like, oh, that hook worked last time. My subconscious is like, maybe I should do that again.

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1300.854 - 1319.711 Nicolas Cole

So this is already happening. All we're doing is we're just making this conscious. So how do we do this? Well, you take the hook and some hooks, if you pull, it might not be a perfect fit, but we'll do our best with this one. So here, just had a fascinating lunch with a 22-year-old Stanford grad. Smart kid, perfect resume. Something felled off though.

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1320.091 - 1331.277 Nicolas Cole

He kept pausing mid-sentence, searching for words. No complex words, basic ones, like his brain was buffering. Finally asked if he was okay. His response floored me. This is such a good hook, man. This is such a good hook. Okay.

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1345.082 - 1352.684 Greg Isenberg

1999? Oh, Reed Hastings. That was, yeah, let's say early. Yeah. 2002, let's say.

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1352.904 - 1361.867 Nicolas Cole

Okay. In 2002. Reed Hastings had a meeting with his executives.

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1362.588 - 1378.941 Unknown

All smart people, perfect resumes, but something in the room that day felt off. In the middle of the meeting,

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1381.383 - 1398.036 Nicolas Cole

And just to show how close we're... I'll try and stick to this as much as possible. Searching for words. Reed Hastings looked out the window and said, we're banning the word blockbuster.

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1401.598 - 1405.721 Unknown

Here's why. So not a perfect fit, but pretty close.

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1406.922 - 1419.817 Greg Isenberg

And to be clear... We're not saying make up stories. We're saying, like, you have to fact check your stuff, but you can copy or be inspired by formats, correct?

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1420.137 - 1422.898 Nicolas Cole

Of course, yeah. You don't steal the content, you steal the format.

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1423.398 - 1423.578 Greg Isenberg

Yeah.

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1424.318 - 1456.547 Nicolas Cole

Right? And so here, now here's the really cool part. What is an AI model? An AI model is really just lots of examples of a scenario. And so I love when – like it's actually comical to me when people say things like, I tried using AI, but it just takes too long to get an end result. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, I've been writing on the internet for 10 years.

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1456.587 - 1479.119 Nicolas Cole

I've written 8,000 articles on the internet. And you're frustrated that it's taking you like three reps to get an end result. So what you don't realize is that when you do this one time, so we took the original hook and then we manually created a new version. set a different way. You just created a mini model.

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1481.361 - 1503.6 Nicolas Cole

And so what you can do and why it's so important to understand how to do these things manually is because then we can take this hook and this now, this is what I would do. This is how you can keep working with ChatGPT. So you go, it gives us this list, your editor in chief, you go, okay, great. This is the headline that I like the most.

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1505.1 - 1539.435 Nicolas Cole

but I want to write this in the form of a Twitter slash X thread. Let's start by writing a viral hook. Here's a hook I wrote recently that went mega viral. We take this. This is the first part of training our little model. Then we go now here's a different version of that viral hook based on the headline that I picked that I think could work.

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1540.675 - 1572.889 Nicolas Cole

And then we take this, we copy paste this, and then we go. Now I'd like for you to come up with five other variations of this same viral hook to increase the likelihood of people reading this piece about Reed Hastings. Okay, so what are we doing? We're literally just saying, here's what I want to do. Here's an example of the thing I sort of want to mirror.

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1572.909 - 1598.645 Nicolas Cole

And then you close the loop by saying, and here's my first try. And when you give it your first try, you just created this mini model that it now has something to learn off of, right? So here's variation two. Picture this, a 2002 Netflix leadership meeting, NBA hotshots, top engineers, all eyes on Reed Hastings. That's a pretty great intro. Fuck yeah.

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1612.16 - 1637.874 Nicolas Cole

The reason that this is so cool is because you have to remove your own ego and be like, who cares that AI actually produced a better hook? The reason it was able to was because I prompted it the right way. And that fundamental piece is what is changing everything. And either you get on board with that and you become an orchestrator and editor in chief, or you don't have a job anymore.

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1639.353 - 1645.716 Nicolas Cole

And it's self-inflicted because you could have changed. What we're doing right now is not hard. Pretty cool.

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1646.656 - 1656.4 Greg Isenberg

I have a tactical question. Is there a reason? Should people do custom GPTs? Or what do you think?

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1657.04 - 1689.757 Nicolas Cole

I think that's sort of like saying, I don't know how to drive yet. Should I go book a time at the Porsche track and learn how to drift a high-speed 911? And people have a miraculous ability to want to solve problems they don't have yet. Chachapiti and Claude are so powerful that you do not need much more than this for a long time.

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1690.858 - 1692.399 Greg Isenberg

Do you use custom GPUs?

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1693.792 - 1701.177 Nicolas Cole

I've played with them a tad, but it's not even worth the effort for me yet. Yeah. It doesn't solve a problem for me.

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1701.197 - 1703.198 Greg Isenberg

Okay.

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1703.958 - 1729.2 Nicolas Cole

Fair. You know? Okay. So that was our little detour about Twitter hooks. Okay. But let's go back. I'm just going to move these down here just so we have them. But let's go back to if we were to turn this into an 800-word article because I want to show – the different levels and decisions that go into you making the high leverage decisions and then AI doing the lower leverage stuff.

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1729.881 - 1756.127 Nicolas Cole

So when you have a headline, As a default, the easiest container for creating content is to think in terms of chunks of three. So the average 800-word article, give or take, and when I say article, you can post it on Twitter as long form, you can post it on Medium as an article, you can post it on Quora as an answer. I just mean generally that amount of words, right?

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1756.747 - 1790.765 Nicolas Cole

This is what it typically looks like. You have your intro, and then you have three main sections. Now, can you have five sections? Yes. Could you have 50 sections? Sure, if you wanted to, right? But generally speaking, 800 words, three sections. The first decision that needs to get made are what are, let's just stick with three here. What are the three things that we are going to give the reader?

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1791.587 - 1817.189 Nicolas Cole

and this is something that took me a really long time to understand is that 90% of the value of a piece is the headline and the quality of the three main points. Okay. So I'll give you a really simple example. Let's, let's say the title was how to make your first million dollars or actually here's, here's a better one here. How to save

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1818.266 - 1851.855 Nicolas Cole

million dollars in taxes in 2025 let's pretend this was the headline of our piece and v1 is our sub heads were you gotta learn about money you should hire a CPA and don't be dumb okay let's pretend that's v1 and What so many writers fail to understand is that 90% of the value of the thing gets evaluated just based on this.

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1853.036 - 1878.028 Nicolas Cole

So if you saw this headline and then you clicked on this piece and you skimmed these three subheads, you would immediately say to yourself, this is worthless and you would leave. And all of that would happen in less than two seconds, right? The value equation changes dramatically when these main points are even more specific, even more tangible.

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1879.989 - 1893.317 Nicolas Cole

I'm not going to sit here and stress test this for 10 different iterations, but just to show the example, it would be something like if you aren't taking advantage of the, I'm sure there's some sort of loophole.

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1894.758 - 1932.569 Nicolas Cole

right this can easily save you an extra 250k you know you should be taking all money into a personal S corp not an LLC and then subhead number three is there's a program where you can buy section 8 housing and get paid dividends that you can write off against your income okay So those three main points, for example, are significantly more specific and they are significantly more tangible.

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1932.769 - 1955.847 Nicolas Cole

And when you see each main point, inherently, if you read this, you're like, oh, I've never heard of that loophole, which sells you on reading the actual content. And so if the title doesn't promise you something that is worthwhile, and if the main points aren't tangible enough to show that you're going to deliver on that promise, nobody reads the content.

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1957.269 - 1979.432 Nicolas Cole

And so instead, you have all these people that are sitting there and they're like, oh, well, I got to start writing. And they start with the first word and they're like, This is how you save a million dollars. No, I don't like that. I'm going to say a million. No, I don't like that. Here's save a lot of money. No, I don't like that. I don't like that adjective. Wait, I don't like any of this.

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1979.492 - 1997.446 Nicolas Cole

Wait, I shouldn't be a writer. Like that's what most people do. And they don't even realize that they've dove into the writing before they've made the most important decision, which is what's the promise and how are you delivering on the promise in the main points? Does that make sense?

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1998.827 - 2019.082 Greg Isenberg

Yeah. I feel like I've been, it's interesting because I'm just, I'm doing some self-reflection on myself. You know, I'm a cowboy when it comes to writing. But I have been doing a lot of this without knowing I'm doing it. Yep.

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2019.562 - 2040.049 Nicolas Cole

Sometimes it's intuitive. Oftentimes I will see that there's always people that do a lot of these things accidentally or they do them every once in a while. And my goal is to make them conscious so that as you're writing, you're sitting there and you're like, this is the next thing. This is the next thing, right?

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2040.95 - 2066.17 Greg Isenberg

Yeah. Well, I think we were talking right before we started this, you know, I'm a new father. Time means something different when you're a new parent. Like you basically want to, you want to optimize your time when it comes to creating and producing in a work setting so that you could be completely present with your child and support your family.

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2067.131 - 2083.52 Greg Isenberg

So I think that having this is, not only does the content end up becoming probably a lot more interesting to read, it also shortens the, it's a shortcut to getting what you end up, this is going to save me

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2085.166 - 2113.148 Nicolas Cole

literally days weeks per year yeah it's no different than when someone's like oh you know it takes me five years to write a book well it's not because the book took you five years it's because you had to make five years of mistakes in order to write it totally okay so you want to you want to keep it pushing yeah we got like 15 20 minutes max Cool. We got it.

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2113.188 - 2133.247 Nicolas Cole

We're going to compress it in and then we can talk takeaways. So next I'm going to introduce my, one of my favorite frameworks that I've ever come up with. I call it the 10 magical ways. The 10 magical ways are you could reverse engineer 99% of all nonfiction writing back into these 10 ways.

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2134.201 - 2159.77 Nicolas Cole

And the reason that this little list is so powerful is because it is the easiest way to remove any sort of writer's block that happens at every single stage. So the first way to use this is to look at the headline. And this is a great hook, why Reed Hastings banned the word blockbuster, but this is a pretty vague and what I like to call intangible promise. So, and what it means for your startup.

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2160.828 - 2183.332 Nicolas Cole

It's like, well, what it means for my startup? Okay, kind of interesting, but how can we make this more interesting or more tangible? And the question to ask is actually, which of these 10 things am I going to give the reader? Am I going to give them tips? Am I going to give them stats? Am I going to give them steps? Am I going to give them lessons? Right?

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2184.152 - 2194.72 Nicolas Cole

So for example, you know, and three lessons that can be learned from the, what's Netflix's market cap now? Something stupid.

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2194.74 - 2198.222 Greg Isenberg

361 billion. Okay. 361 billion. And we'll say streaming service.

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2206.877 - 2214.981 Nicolas Cole

Okay. Why, why did my brain immediately go here? Because again, another framework, big numbers and headlines, big numbers and hooks always perform well. Right.

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2215.261 - 2233.489 Greg Isenberg

Yeah. So also like alliteration alliteration also works. Like when you, when you like, probably if I was writing this, I would say why read Hastings, ban the word blockbuster and three. Well, no.

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2234.21 - 2255.745 Greg Isenberg

scratch that you can hear how too much alliteration then sounds exactly right exactly i could hear your brain hearing it and deciding it was a bad idea like i was gonna say like legendary lessons or something like that you know it's like no okay let's just also concise and and clear works really well for the internet

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2256.263 - 2275.739 Nicolas Cole

Yep, exactly. Okay. So here's where things get really interesting. And I think that this step that we are about to talk about is the primary skill. It is the primary value. Okay. So we use the 10 magical ways and we clarify, what are we actually going to give the reader? We're going to give them three lessons. It's very simple. Okay.

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2276.4 - 2298.613 Nicolas Cole

If you don't have clarity over which thing you're giving the reader, guess what? The reader's not going to know. And if the reader doesn't know, they're not going to give you their attention. Okay. So you give them three lessons. Now, here's where it's so simple, it's complicated. If we were to break this into sections, what do we think the three subheads are going to be?

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2299.414 - 2301.014 Nicolas Cole

You want to take a guess, Greg?

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2303.415 - 2304.036 Greg Isenberg

What are you thinking?

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2305.616 - 2309.338 Nicolas Cole

Well, just generally, like the three subheads are going to share three

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2312.639 - 2313.2 Greg Isenberg

Lessons?

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2313.68 - 2334.29 Nicolas Cole

Three lessons, right? It's so simple, it's complicated, right? So this is lesson number one, this is lesson number two, and this is lesson number three. Here's a very simple rule of thumb. If your subheads do not deliver clearly on the promise in the headline, the reader will not take the time to figure it out. Okay.

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2334.49 - 2362.146 Nicolas Cole

So whatever magical way is in the headline is going to be the thing in the sub heads. Okay. Now the highest leverage decision about the entire piece is what the three lessons are. And this is what so many people misunderstand. Okay. 90% of the value is not in the writing. Okay. It is in the fact that you said, I'm going to give you three lessons.

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2362.887 - 2389.033 Nicolas Cole

And if those three lessons are, you got to work hard, you got to out-compete, And you gotta care. If those are the three lessons, you wrote a shitty piece. It doesn't matter how many beautiful sentences there are. It doesn't matter how clever your adjectives. Nothing else matters, right? So, editor-in-chief, we gotta come up with the three lessons.

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2391.493 - 2395.175 Nicolas Cole

Do we want to come up with them, or do we want Chachapiti to come up with them?

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2396.415 - 2404.032 Greg Isenberg

We can try, and if we fail, we can always... go to our AI overlords.

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2404.272 - 2433.871 Nicolas Cole

I think that that is the best lens and point of view for all of this. I think that you should always try yourself first and then weigh it against what Chachapiti comes up with and then improve the quality together. That is why I don't defer the writing to AI, I write with AI. Give me some lessons, Greg. And I'll help you improve them if you just say things out loud as they come to you.

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2434.691 - 2443.674 Greg Isenberg

So businesses built around guilt are, yeah, empower the customer.

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2444.715 - 2447.556 Nicolas Cole

Not alienate them. Okay.

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2449.216 - 2481.426 Greg Isenberg

Well, we can talk about convenience. A big reason I think Netflix won was convenience. So yeah. And every, every founder should ban at least one word in order to succeed, which is like, if I was writing this piece, I'd probably lead with that. Cause it's so spicy. And the way I look at writing, I'm curious what you think about this, but I literally view it as a funnel.

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2488.111 - 2504.963 Nicolas Cole

100%. So said differently, my little framework for that is whenever I'm coming up with the main points of a piece, doesn't matter if it's an email, article, Twitter thread, doesn't matter. Once I've come up with all the main points, I then stack rank them in the ones that are most interesting or most compelling.

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2506.023 - 2516.969 Nicolas Cole

Because inherently, once you come up with them, usually there's one where you're like, oh, what a great main point. Well, you should make that the first one, right? Because that hooks the person.

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2519.63 - 2520.011 Greg Isenberg

Totally.

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2520.851 - 2556.088 Nicolas Cole

Okay, so cool. So now what do we do? We take this, we take our improved headline, And we go, okay, great. So going back to writing this as an 800 word article, here's the headline I came up with. Feed that into there we go. And here are the three lessons I came up with. We take these copy paste here. Then we say, but I want to stress test the quality of these lessons.

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2556.668 - 2588.186 Nicolas Cole

Can you please come up with five more batches of three lessons related to this article headline? So I can see if there are any other opportunities to improve. GHPT's thinking. Again, I want to emphasize this process that we're going through is exactly the process that an editor-in-chief and a columnist go through. It's the same thing.

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2588.646 - 2601.993 Nicolas Cole

You're just deferring to someone else's brain, or you could use the AI brain, right? So here, adopt a contrarian mindset, treat frustration as a business opportunity.

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2606.631 - 2609.613 Greg Isenberg

Okay, batch three number one is a problem.

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2610.174 - 2610.454 Nicolas Cole

Yeah.

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2610.954 - 2636.095 Greg Isenberg

Ignore the me too trap. You know, so you got to, like what AI thinks is me too and what, you know. we think is Me Too. I know what they're saying, like Me Too, but it could also be read as the Me Too movement. And it's like, ignore the Me Too movement trap. It's like, no. Absolutely not.

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2636.655 - 2661.917 Nicolas Cole

Again, great example of how AI gives a bunch of options, but your taste has the context to be like, the risk reward of me using that phrasing maybe isn't going to be as effective, right? You are editor in chief. Little writing pro tip for everyone. A lot of times when people come up with subheads, they think the same way that AI does. They think in terms of quippy main titles.

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2662.497 - 2682.042 Nicolas Cole

Main titles typically lean more clever, not as clear. I've always found that the best main points and subheads are actually more like sentences where you're literally just saying to the reader, you clicked on this title, I'm going to give you all the value in three sentences bolded as subheads.

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2683.124 - 2706.416 Nicolas Cole

Whenever you do that, it's so much more likely that the person then gives each section their attention versus if you give them something more vague, stay agile even when growing. They don't really know what they're going to get out of that section, which means they don't give it their attention. Here, we actually like our output even more. Now, if I wanted to clarify this further, I could say,

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2707.512 - 2743.429 Nicolas Cole

These aren't bad, but all of these main points are written as vague, clever main points titles. The ones I came up with are in sentence format and are much more tangible, actionable. Can you please come up with five more batches of three main points that are written in sentence format and are as tangible, actionable for the reader as possible.

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2745.029 - 2766.424 Nicolas Cole

So this is where you're working with AI in that conversational format. And we might not have time to get to it, so just to sort of skip to the answer. The reason why all this back and forth is so important is because you don't realize that as you're doing this, you are creating all the Lego blocks to go assemble the mega prompt.

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2767.745 - 2788.11 Nicolas Cole

So whenever we create prompts for our paid newsletter, right with AI, for example, all of them are the end result of this sort of back and forth with chat GPT or, or back and forth with Claude, right? You're learning what works. You're learning what yields the best output. And then you're basically going back through that entire conversation.

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2788.55 - 2810.438 Nicolas Cole

And then you go, now, how can I skip to the end faster next time? How can I just compress all of this into, into one prompt, right? Or one decision. So here, these are more actionable, regularly map out your customer's biggest frustrations like late fees, then eliminate those pain points. Your product stands out on convenience. That's actually a cool, a cool point.

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2810.498 - 2829.169 Nicolas Cole

I might consider putting that underneath that main point, right? Run a banned words experiment in which you exclude all direct competitor names during strategic planning. Cool. So you can see how this has improved. And it's improved because we know what to ask for. And we know what to ask for because we've done it manually.

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2830.56 - 2851.036 Nicolas Cole

So then just to close the loop and just to sort of complete this for everyone, once you have the three main points, the next thing that you do, and this is what completes the writing, is you go back to the 10 magical ways and you go, so what am I going to give the reader in each one of these sections? So here, lesson one, every founder should ban one word most closely to whatever.

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2851.376 - 2870.971 Nicolas Cole

So here, we really like the run a banned words experiment. So we put this here. how do we make this the most valuable we can? Well, we would explain to people the steps of running a banned words experiment, right? So here are the magical ways we're going to go with steps, right? Convenience can be a product differentiator.

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2871.331 - 2885.021 Nicolas Cole

Okay, well, if I'm explaining that convenience can be a product differentiator, what might make sense? Maybe some stats might be interesting as to why it can be like proving that, or maybe it's like examples of other companies that have used

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2886.062 - 2904.806 Nicolas Cole

um convenience in order to differentiate themselves right and then lesson number three businesses built around guilt empower the customer not alienate them well whenever you're explaining something right maybe here we need some like and here are you know reasons why Here's why that is, right? That's another one of the 10 magical ways.

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2905.367 - 2920.473 Nicolas Cole

So this list is insanely powerful because then you just go through each section and you go, all right, here, lesson one, I'm going to give people steps on how to run a banned words experiment. Lesson number two, I'm going to give some stats to back up why this is a thing. And I'm going to give a couple examples of other companies that have done it.

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2920.973 - 2943.257 Nicolas Cole

And then lesson three, businesses built around guilt empower the customer, not alienate them. Here are a couple tangible reasons why. We haven't written a single full paragraph or anything, and all the decisions are made. So now when you sit down to write, this isn't hard. You just go, oh, I fill this in in this section. And so then if you were to bring that over to AI, what would you do?

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2943.297 - 2959.994 Nicolas Cole

You would literally just articulate what I just said. And then it would come up with a V1, and then you would run it back and do it again. You'd go section by section. You'd be like, lesson one, I think those steps aren't tangible enough. Could you rewrite that in sentence form? You are the editor-in-chief.

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2961.535 - 2974.624 Greg Isenberg

Does ChatGPT have voice? I forget. Yeah. For some people, writing is tough, but yeah, use voice mode. Just go and dictate it.

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2976.679 - 2981.524 Nicolas Cole

I want to end on a meta concept.

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2982.004 - 2982.264 Greg Isenberg

Yes.

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2982.705 - 3007.64 Nicolas Cole

Why is paying for education so powerful? And why is paying for education even more powerful in the digital age? Take Ship 30 for 30 as an example, our writing program. In Ship 30, We basically have broken out, I don't know how many, 30, 40, 50 different little writing frameworks. It's like when writing first sentences, do it like this. When writing headlines, do it like this.

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3007.72 - 3029.325 Nicolas Cole

When formatting, do it like this. And in the age of AI, every time you buy a course, a book, you listen to a talk, and any sort of education... You are not just learning. What you are doing is you are downloading that little framework into your repository that you can then go leverage with technology.

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3031.384 - 3051.137 Nicolas Cole

So there's actually no reason why someone couldn't take Ship 30, take out all 30 of the different frameworks that we give them, and then be able to articulate to AI, hey, when we write first sentences, we want them to be like this. When we write titles, we want it to be like this. And you just increased your own productivity and efficiency and quality of output by 100x for the rest of your life.

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3052.838 - 3075.6 Nicolas Cole

And like, Ship 30 is a $350 course, for example. And once that clicked for me, I was like, oh... So you're telling me that I can basically just go spend a fraction of the amount of money buying things that have taken people – it has taken me 12 years to learn how to articulate all of this. 12 years and thousands of articles and thousands of everything, right?

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3077.239 - 3088.167 Nicolas Cole

And you can literally just take it, download it into your brain, and then articulate it to AI and yield a very similar output. And that is why paying for education is so fascinating in the digital world.

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3088.528 - 3105.4 Greg Isenberg

I mean, paying for education, it's also just education. You know what I mean? There's also free education. This is free. All my pods are free. Someone could theoretically download all the frameworks and idea generation stuff

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3106.221 - 3131.803 Greg Isenberg

that we use and all of a sudden you're an idea pro you know what i mean like using ai so i think your point is valid which is um well what is your point your point is basically that your goal is to if you want digital leverage you need to be an expert how do you become an expert and Yeah, exactly.

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3131.823 - 3142.227 Greg Isenberg

You level up and you can level up by educating yourself, downloading these frameworks, and then using AI to take it to the nth degree is what you're basically saying, which I totally agree with.

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3142.747 - 3170.36 Nicolas Cole

Yep. Yeah. Said in the most simplest way, it took me 12 years to figure out the six proven single sentence openers for almost all writing. You could internalize that framework from me in four minutes. And then you can take that framework and then use it with AI for the rest of your life. The return on that is unbelievable. And this is also true for me.

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3170.4 - 3182.126 Nicolas Cole

Like if I want to learn how to do something and I go to you and I'm like, oh, Greg's an expert in this thing. Just give me the frame. I'll pay whatever for the framework because now I know I have it and I can go use it for the rest of my life.

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3182.867 - 3192.955 Greg Isenberg

Yeah. I think it was Mr. Beast and his like leaked playbook doc. He had a section say like hire consultants. Did you see that? Yeah. I read it.

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3192.975 - 3193.415 Nicolas Cole

It was great.

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3193.936 - 3210.598 Greg Isenberg

Yeah. I think that, you know, that was kind of like Mr. Beast's, uh, what he thought too, which is basically level. He's a big level up guy, level up, you know, what he was missing was the AI piece, I think. Um, But he's done well for himself.

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3210.658 - 3211.538 Nicolas Cole

I think he's doing okay.

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3211.919 - 3215.441 Greg Isenberg

We'll give it to him. Cool, man.

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3215.601 - 3216.462 Nicolas Cole

We cooked up a lot.

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3219.044 - 3235.676 Greg Isenberg

You under-promised and over-delivered, just as I expected. Thank you for being so generous with your time, your brain, your frameworks. Where could people learn more about you and some of the stuff you're up to?

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3236.594 - 3242.619 Nicolas Cole

They'll find me on the internet. I talk about this stuff for free all day. I love this stuff.

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3243.9 - 3262.894 Greg Isenberg

We'll include some of the stuff where people can find you in the show notes. Maybe what I'll do is I'll even cook up some notes from this episode that people can go and access. That will be in the show notes also.

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3263.308 - 3267.211 Nicolas Cole

I'll send you this doc that we were using. If you want to just show it as a PDF, that's fine.

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3267.751 - 3279.32 Greg Isenberg

That's great. Awesome. All right, my man. I'll, yeah, dude, I love, I love our chats. I love our chats and, um, I got some writing to do.

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3280.121 - 3281.342 Nicolas Cole

Yes, you do. I'm waiting for the book.

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3282.563 - 3295.407 Greg Isenberg

It's true. It's true. I need a book. I need, you know, for those listening, I definitely want to write a book. Um, and I've talked to Cole about it. Um, so, One day, folks. One day.

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3295.627 - 3298.23 Nicolas Cole

Well, listen, you have cold GPT here whenever you need it.

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3298.85 - 3301.392 Greg Isenberg

Thank you. All right, my man. I'll catch you later.

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3301.412 - 3301.973 Nicolas Cole

All right.

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3302.113 - 3303.074 Greg Isenberg

See you. See you.

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