Your Debt Should Make You Uncomfortable

4100.734 - 4120.173 Rachel Cruze

And one of the first steps I would do is sit down with him because I don't know his... I'm not on the phone with him and I can't ask him these questions. I don't know... Where he's at. If he is at a place, Katie, that he's like, I'm so overwhelmed. I'm so mad at myself. Right. He's probably not feeling great about himself. And it's like, I want to change. I want to turn this around.