#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6996.207 - 7010.792 Joe Rogan

Well, I'm just being rational. I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open-minded about this stuff. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah. I like to think it's real, but that's the problem is that I really want to think it's real. So what do you do? You say it's not real, but it looks real. I don't say nothing. Okay. I just talk shit.