#2258 - Steven Rinella

6995.971 - 7022.445 Joe Rogan

Like it's terrible stigma. But like getting into that, like getting into that story and starting to. Realize that and then following that up with reading that book about like the pain and anguish of of starving to death. Like you wind up like having just more. I want a lot more empathy and just, you know, you almost kind of want to honor those people rather than condemn them as like these.