#2258 - Steven Rinella

5826.099 - 5858.599 Joe Rogan

Yeah. But I think that like creators. Yeah. From a creator perspective. You got ones that run away from new, right? And you got ones that run toward it. I used to be the runaway from. Something came out and I was like, this ain't good. What are you now? I... I guess I've like survived through enough changes in the media landscape that I, I'm not as terrified as I once was. Right.