#2258 - Steven Rinella

3755.224 - 3781.834 Joe Rogan

somewhere in that ballpark and it's changed like i don't when you were at doug's place remember at doug's place these have this uh these have this slogan like nice buck next year meaning right you know let deer grow let deer grow and and doug has really changed um over the years he's changed his tune and they and they really want to try to um the idea generally with wildlife managers is that by lowering you'll slow spread by lowering numbers